Learn to tell yourself the truth Cranky, cuz your bullshit reverse psychology you got from a 5 year old for your Schitzophrenic Munchausen escapsism dosn't work on me, and your Alzheimer's is blatently showing up in your reply's!

Kaos I really think you are one of the funniest people I have ever met. You made me laugh for about ten minutes afterr I read your postings to Cranky Media Guy. Even if you don't believe in him God Bless you Kaos.hahahaha- You're a character man, you are funny. Anway TO CRANKY:
1. That paragraph I gave to you states that God through his divine intercession told the Pope to make those sins that I showed you in my last comment part of the deadly sins...aka- there are now more than seven deadly sins. Pedophilia was already a mortal sin but now God had decided it is time for the world to know Pedophila is a very serious mortal sin and that is all that comment to you meant.
2.YOUE ARE A MORON- LET ME GIVE YOU MY LINKS PROVING MY STATISTIC FOR THE THIRD FRIGGIN TIME-1.http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070618/28035_Released_Figures_Offer_Glimpse_into_Protestant_Sex_Abuse_Problems.htm
2.http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm
3.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
4.http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/three_insurers_shed_light.html
5.MY PERSONAL FAVORITE ONE-http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm
6.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html

Some more sites-
1.www.goodwininsuranceagency.com/pdf/Report%20on%20Sex%20Abuse.pdf -
2.news.public.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/06-14-2007/aeae0051d0d52331.html
Now I hope that's enough to prove my statistics on the Protestant Church (33,800 denominations combined) are correct.
NOW FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR THIS STATISTIC. I AM STARTING TO THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO BE FUNNY.Look man if you are trying to be funny plese go to another site and if you aren't well then WOW, just WOW.
Cranky said:"o, by the way, did you know that higher-ups in the Catholic Church actually VOTED not to discipline a priest after the first incident of child abuse? Yup, a priest has to be caught doing it at least TWICE before any action will be taken." Your proof of this comes from a webiste saying (in 2002 when a different Pope was the Pope)"nder the new policy, those who abused children in the past or who commit sexual abuse in the future would remain priests.
They would be prohibited, however, from any work dealing with the public, from celebrating Mass, to teaching in parochial schools, to serving in a Catholic soup kitchen."
WOW, Cranky sounds to me like they were allowed to be priests but were NOT allowed to do any Catholic sacraments, and attend any Catholic events etc... Sounds like they were allowed to call themselves "priests" but not allowed to be a priest in the technical sense.Gee I think that disproves your theory.OOPS GUESS YOU WERE WRONG...AGAIN.
Oh and "by the way" a preist does not have to molest someone twice before they are in trouble,thanks for maiking that up thought, once again good try.It's up to the Cradinal what to do with a priest when he gets accused of molesting anyone but if they make a bad choice they usually get demoted from being a Cardinal- like what happened to ex-Cardinal Law.

William, it's SO entertaining debating with you as you continue to demonstrate how irrational fanatics can be.

I asked you where you got this statistic:

"In 500 years the Portestant [sic] church has had an average of 282 sex abuse cases a year."

In response, you gave me several links to articles. So, I went and looked at all of them. Funny story, William, NONE of them says anything like that. No mention of

HEHEH...Your stupidity makes you so interesting Cranky.First off A WHILE BACK in these posts, I informed you that I was not accurate in the statistic that in 500 years the Protestant Church has had an average of 282 sex cases a year. I told you when you questioned my statistic that it was in the past 70 years of doing theses studies that it was concluded the Protestant church had an average of 282 sex cases a year. AND that was what I backed up with those webistes.Yes I did give you two Christian sites to back up my claims but I also gave you links to sites such as the NEW YORK TIMES and FOX NEWS. Also Cranky if you were to ask a Protestant, let's say a Methodist, if he considered an Episcopal to be a fellow Protestant and part of his faith he would say yes.Do some research on the history of Protestantism and you will find that all Protestans, even with all of their contradictng doctrines, believe thmeseves to all be of the one true faith, just simply because they all call themseles Protestant.So to compare The Catholic Church with it's 1.3 billion members and the Protestant Church with it's 750 million members is not a bad or unfair thing to do as you believe Cranky. Just because the Catholic sect of Christianity has remained one in unity and doctrines and the Protestant Church has created multiple denominations does not change the validity and truth of my aformentioned statement.They both:The one Catholic Church and the many Protestant denominations- which claim to all be ONE in faithand name have problems with molestation, namely due to the fact HUMANS mere mortals works in their churches,. All I am saying is that if you want to point fingers let's point them at someone who's actually having a very serious problem,not The Catholic Church which, except for the sometimes slow prosecution of it's corrupt employees has no problem at all.

To Kaos: I think you are pretty funny and you seem pretty cool so I want to ask this question but please do not be offended.If , as you say, the Catholic Church was founded by a Nazi then why do history books, theologians and historians all agree it was founded around 70 A.D.? Are you calling them liars? Also where did you supposedly learn this from? Thanks Kaos and have a good day.

William said:

Here's how normal, non-corrupt organizations punish someone: they report them to the police (as the law requires in the case of child abuse) and let the justice system handle things.

Dear Cranky, I see much more clearly now how irrational and biased you are regarding this topic.I don't know hat happened in your past to make you hate Catholic's and think that there is a massive cover-up there, as your only evidence of this is from a site entitled "skeptic forum" But please leave us Catholics and other non- biased people alone. It's fine to have your own beliefs, everyone is entitled to that as a human beingbut DO NOT think for a second that gives you the right to shove your ideas on us. That least time that happened a certain man named Hitler killed millions of innocent people because he was convinced the Jews were also involved in a massive cover-up and were out to kill and brainwash all non-Jews into believeing their beliefs.Leave everyone alone and quit picking on a church that you have not ties to at all. You have not told us you have witnessed or been involved in one of these cases and have no substantial concrete evidence to back up your claim that there is a major cover-up within the Catholic Church regarding pedophiles.You keep changing your arguments, you keep spreading complete bullcrap, and you keep trying to brainwash all of us here into believeing what you have to say. Look believe what you want but at least logically think about the proof you have to back up your claims and where you got that proof from. One site called skeptic forum written by people exactly like you? That's not good enough evidence. One site saying an ex-Cardinal didn't have a priest prosecuted as fast as he should have? That's not good enough either to support your claims that there is a massive cover-up within the Catholic Church.Get a life man, and for Christ's sake leave all of us alone and spread your hate on another site.

From Wikipedia:

"Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

"'As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.'"

This discussion isn't taking place on Usenet, but I think Godwin's Law applies here.

Yes, William, only a Nazi would have the nerve to point out that the Catholic Church has a bit of a problem with priests who like to stick their penises into small boys and higher-ups who hide that fact from the police. That makes sense to you? O-kay.

The reason you believe that I have "no substantial evidence" about that is because when I link to something like a skeptic organization's website, you say that it is automatically invalid, presumably because you think the group can't possibly be objective (even though you have yet to prove that ANYTHING it said is incorrect). Then when I link to the Pulitzer Prize-winning Boston Globe, the newspaper probably most on top of the child molesting priest scandal, you have a problem with the mainstream press. I'll ask again: how can you dismiss a skeptics' group as a non-objective source for information about this story when YOU repeatedly quote from the Catholic League. Like Godwin, William has a rule, too: If A Source Disagrees With William, It Is Automatically Invalid.

Your zeal to defend what the Church has done is so extreme in fact that you've put yourself in the bizarre position of arguing with the numbers in a study PAID FOR BY THE CHURCH (4,400 priests accused of molestation out of a total of 24,000 American priests).

Then you call what the priests did a "mistake." As I've pointed out to you, that's an attempt to minimize terrible crimes perpetrated against children.

"One site saying an ex-Cardinal didn't have a priest prosecuted as fast as he should have?"

Nice try, William. As you know perfectly well, I've linked to more than one news story which says that higher-ups in the Church went out of their way to hide the crimes from law enforcement. I've asked you more than once to give us the name of even ONE Bishop who told the police what he knew about the priests under him who were harming children. Apparently, even the Catholic League's website couldn't supply you with that information, as you have never produced such a name.

"Get a life man, and for Christ's sake leave all of us alone and spread your hate on another site."

Nice try. It isn't "hate" to disseminate accurate information about an organization which condones child abuse.

Hey, while I'm at it, are you EVER going to tell me how old I am, since you've repeatedly accused me of being old and having Alzheimer's? I mean, you wouldn't want to look as if you're SPREADING HATE toward the allegedly elderly, would you?

By the way, I think we're rapidly approaching the point in this debate where you tell me to fuck myself, say you'll pray for me and stomp off angrily.

As you can probably tell, this ain't my first rodeo.

I have no desire to tell you to f-off as I can tell you have been involved in those type of irrational stupid debates with complete jerks as is evident by how angry you are getting. Also I looked at the wikipedia search on Goodwin's Law and I have to say I found that pretty funny, I had a good laugh but the truth is he probably is right. He said ""You can tell when a USENET discussion is getting old when one of the participents drags out Hitler and the Nazis." and we've been talking for what, two weeks now? That is a long time. Now I admit that maybe choosing the Catholic League for my sites proving my theory WAS using a very biased site but I did also use many secular, objective sources in my cited sources too. Let's move on to what I am now calling "The Cranky Media Guy Skeptic Forum Scandal"-A quote from you supposedly "objective" source. "The catholic church has been playing hide-the-pedophile for years and has mostly gotten away with it. Why should they change now? Sadly, once those priests are in the Vatican, they are in another country and the best prosecuters from other countries can do is to petition the Vatican to send them back. Sickeningly, the catholic church has shown little inclination to help in the prosectution of pedophile priests. So much for christian love and compassion for victims." Now looking at this argument anyone, even a child, would notice that this user who wrote this "objective" and "unbiased" comment cited absolutely no sources for his argument. They first say that "the Catholic Church has been playing hide the pedophile for years..." Really, they have? Well, I would believe that if they ahd cited any sources.Then they say that priests are hiding in the Vatican. Once again where is the evidence for that, as this user has not cited even one source for his argument and has not even told us how one can go about finding this information? And finally he goes on to "objectively" bash the Catholic Church saying they have no love and comapssion for human beings outside their clergy. Well if that's true then how come the Vatican on average has a 16 million dollar deficit each year because- because they pay for poor countries to have buildings, schools, hospitals. Call me crazy but THAT sounds like compassion and Christian love to me. I will be on later to argue against the rest of your points made in your last comment so can you try and not comment until I have the rest of my points? It makes my life a whole lot easier because then I don't have to worry about defending my points and then coming on here and seeing you making 50 more arguments. Thanks.

You may say that the Catholic Church has no desire to protect children from child molestors and has only a deire to protect its clergybut then just do me a favor and read this quote from an official Catholic document (not from the Catholic League website, don't worry. "In June 2002 the full body of Catholic bishops of the United States in their General Meeting in Dallas approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People." This charter ensured that the Bishops would do there best to look at the situation deal with the priests accused and always help protect the children from any priest whom may wish to sexually abuse them.And I will telly uo this one last time: If you really want to know of a Bishop that has had a priest prosecuted for molestation call that is pretty confidential imfromation so you have to call yuor local diocese or police precicnt for that info.And Cranky to go back to your sites "proving" your points about a massive cover-up besides skeptic forum? One of them lists a bunch of happenings from the last couple of years in the Catholic Church but says NOTHING about a massive-cover up. And the toledo blade site just talks about an-ex priest trying to sexually abuse school children. AN EX-PRIEST. How does that show a massive cover-up within the Catholic Church? It doesn't. Finally you asked me to tell you how old you are and if I hated the elderly.
1. No, I do not hate the elderly in fact in find the elderly funny, and amusing because they try and act like teenagers which usually ends in them forgetting what they are doing. This is not an insult to the old citizens in the world it's just a fact of life. When you get older you forget things and your memory does start to fade.
2. And how old do I think you are? Well when I went back a couple pages to look for your sites I remember seeing you say how you had 3 children that we all grown up. I honestly have no idea how old you are but I'tt take a guess just for you- My guess is that you're 54 years old. There now feel free to comment since I already know you will.

Cranky I know this is random, and call me crazy, or bipolar, or whatever you want but I think somewhere down the line we started getting really nasty at each other, and I started insulting you, and then you got pissed and got mad at me. Anyway I just wanted to apologize for being so rude and inconsiderate. I just wanted to know if we could start over and maybe just try and have a mature discussion without insulting each other. Looking forward to hearing your reply, My apologies,
William

William, it may be "random," but it's appreciated on this end.

Yup, for whatever reason(s), online debates DO tend to get nasty.

Sure, we absolutely should cool the rhetoric and stick to the subject. Sign me up!

Sounds good man! Thanks for being so understanding!Talk to you soon.

Also Cranky you don't happen to have any other sites talking about Catholic Bishops covering up for priests or priests hiding in the Vatican do you? I'd really like to see them if you do!

William said:

"Also Cranky you don't happen to have any other sites talking about Catholic Bishops covering up for priests or priests hiding in the Vatican do you?"

I'll have to look around for direct links to that stuff when I have a moment. I DO know that the priest accused of being the worst about hurting kids was moved to the Vatican where, to my knowledge, he still works in the Pope's inner circle.

The Boston Globe is, as I said, the American newspaper which probably has followed this story the closest, as the Catholic Church is a VERY powerful entity in Massachusetts in general and Boston specifically. A LOT of stuff about this is going to be found in the Globe's archives.

Thanks.I'll be sure to check ou the Globe's archives tonight or tomorrow.

Cranky I found something very interesting I thought you might like to see. It came from:"http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news/2004_09_12_Dunklin_InThe.htm"
I'll let you read it but it basically said while the Catholic Church has not literally or intentionally hiden and is hiding molestors in the Vatican it also has not made them go back to the U.S. to face their crimes and punishments they rightly deserve.And I could see how some could say that they are hiding the victim's because the Vatican does not say to stop them. This quote really says it all "Mr. Romley said he saw no point in writing to the Vatican when Father Henn was indicted about a month later. He understands that the Vatican has no authority to extradite Father Henn, but he believes it could use its church power to pressure the priest to return to Phoenix. "Clearly there are formal charges here," said Mr. Romley, who was raised a Catholic. "They [priests] give a vow of obedience. It seems like it is real easy to say, 'You shall return, and if not, we defrock you.' " Some of the Pope's close friends also are in the Vatican but he has let them stay there due to they fact they told him they were innocent.It would seem Cranky that whether or not the priest's are guilty was irrelevant to the last Pope and if he believed them when they said they wer innocent and were wrongly accussed he would allow them to stay, while telling them they sould face trial but not forcing them to.The current Pope, Benedict the 16th however has very currently spoken out against pedophilia and the hiding or harboring these pedophiles in a recent statement made about a week ago.He fully intends to the best of my knowledge to have a list of current clergy accused of pedophilia that are hiding from the law given to him so he can either have them defrocked and face trial, or face trial and then if guilty defrocked.It seems to me that this "scandal" was called a "scandal" in the first place because Pope John Paul was just to easygiong and gullible than our current Pope regrading when these pedophiles and accused pedophiles said they were innocent. Our current Pope is fixing that situation though, it will take some time but it will happen.

That's interesting stuff, William. Don't get upset if I don't respond in depth for a day or two; I'm in the middle of a couple of things that I have to deal with right now. Nothing bad, just time-sensitive stuff.

No problem Media Guy. Looking forward to hearing from you sometime in the near future.

What a Laf! Crtanky is getting you all fluxed about statistic's and shit just to get you all off the subject of what the Vatican's real Business in the World really is! He's using classic Munchausen shit to manouver your questioning to number's instead of the actual crime's with which the Vatican's public persona of a Pure Virgin is maintained, when all the while the Vatican is involved in the Biggest Peadophile ring on the planet, which they believe is the portrail of the Whore of Babylon persona. so as far as i'm concerned, the Vatican is full of half brained Schitzophrenic's, using a reversed Welsh Gaelic Thesaurus as a Scapegoat for their abuse's on other's, especially children, as this is how the Freemason's use children to hurt their mother's, the Oedipus in reverse Syndrome, where their right hemiphere Bosse has no conscious connective coherence with their left hemisphere Munchausen Super Id's, and the Vatican's emphasis on Youth, is clearly a program designed to extinquish children's consciousness with themselve's... talk about Zombieism and Hitler's Scientist's that invented Cesarian Birth's!
There's no point in going on about statistic's, because your just following a Munchausen's ability to divert your questioning from the crime to a bunch of argumentative number fact's, and that's a classic Schitzo's manouver to get off the supect of what they know they are guilty of, and that's a fact!
So, let's ask you then Cranky, why are you deliberately diverting everyone's attention's to crap statistic's on number's like a clasic half brained Munchausen By Proxy for, when you havnt answered the simple question of 'What the fuck is the Vatican involved in so much Global peadophility on a regular basis for generation's for!', and you still think the Bible is going to give you a Scapegoat if you keep avoiding the question's! so answer the fucking question Wanky Cranky, it's fucking simple enough! What's the Vatican's excuse from the Bible with which they use to justify their sexual abuse's of children and keep themselve's out of the Public Criminal List's! Answer the fucking question you pathetic, immature, Lakovski (lack of sky, ie; right hemisphere conscious coherence!), Vatican peadophile!

The Vatican has proven only one thing on this planet, that they are full of half brained Schitzo's fucking about with kid's in their nappies and running a lucre/lucrative business out of their envy of the Mother, and thats Oedupus Syndrome, so what the fuck else would a man want to wear a dress all day for? I bet you all wear stockings and suspenders under those robes, and it's wouldnt surpize me to find your dirty peado piccies inside your Bibles!
As far as the foundations of the Vatican are concerned, even the stones of the Vatican themselves are less than 200 year's old, human bone's don't last more than 100 year's in british soil before they turn to dust, and the National Geographic Society is very closely in legue with the British Legion Reenactment Societys to dig up all their play act sites where they've performed pagan sacrifices since 1956, just to make history older than it really is, and this has been done in every country around the Globe since 1984, when Cine/Sine film was first invented, and a picture tells a thousand words! Its easy to work out the Vatican has faked its history, just get yourselves a Gensenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon To The Old Testament, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, and Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon To The New Testament, and then you might see how Welsh Gealic got turned into Hebrew-Chaldee not very long ago, and the whole foundation of the Vatican is based on an experiment run by the Nazi's reversing languedge's to hide behind, and only someone with a particular Psyche would know the Vatican's history is fake, just like the British Battle of the Somme/Sleep, is the British Establishment's Secret Society's rhetoric for a Morphine obsessed Nation, and that's all this war in Iraq and Afghanistan is all about, the World Healt Organisation's hold on the Global Theatre that include's the religious aspect in the guise of the Vatican, a man made religion which is no religion at all, which is the Freemason, AKA Shull n' Bone's Dog-ma! So come on Cranky, what's the Big Deal the Vatican made with the Freemason's, 'The Condemnation of Jeannette', a term used for dual hemisphered female's, ie; Tomboy's, (Revelation 22; The Spirit and the Bride in one body of flesh!), which involved abdicated King Edward in 1936, and half brained Hitler and his Cesarian/Cesaryan Scientist's, because I know it has more to do with, 'Don't let the right hand (of the brain), know what the left hand (of the brain), is doing!', to disconnect from the conscious coherence Bosse in the right hemisphere of the brain is what the Vatican has been using for decade's, because I know if they had any connection with the Real God of this Universe, they'ed be quite capable of Bowing their 33 bones in their spinal chords around the Roslyn Apprentice Pillar on any Lay Line, ie; '$', (as used in symbolism for the World Health Org), on this Planet!

I just can't wait for the Vatican to expose their Dog-ma man made religion which they base their foundation's on the Prophet Mohammed's marriage to a 6 year old girl, of which the Vatican believe's to be 'Peadophility', when the fact of the marriage is the process of 'Metempsychosis', of which there are over 600 year's between the man and the child if you were to read Mohammet's ('t' is correct spelling!), Text's in their correct context, and the Vatican has no concept of what Metempsychosis is! The Vatican is going to be Globally Shamed for what they have been doing to this planet for generation's, and instead of making people 'Constant-in-poles', ie; dual hemispherered to keep a conscious coherent Bosse in their brain's, they've corrupted the psychology of a book with a man called 'Constantinople', that never existed in the flesh of a man at all! Reed the book's i've mentioned, the Vatican is full of trickey to sent your brain's into turmoil and out of it's Pole's that are magnetically connecterd to Earth, the rhetoric they use is pathetic once you've evolved the code's in the Bible, and the easiest way is to translate all the name's used in the text's back into their original Welsh Gaelic, and you will easily see what the Vatican is really all about! Translate all the name's in Genesis 36; and you'll know that the Simple Truth isn't a Simpleton!

So Cranky, your now saying the Vatican is an abnormal Organisation to justify your obsessive cruitly and abuse's to children in the name of the Bible! We all fucking know you are Schitzo's, it's just the facxt that you wont admit it to yourselve's!

"Here's how normal, non-corrupt organizations punish someone: they report them to the police (as the law requires in the case of child abuse) and let the justice system handle things."
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:11 PM.

See! Cranky, your stating the obvious that the Vatican is an Abnormal Corrupted Organisation that dose not report the systematic abuse's of children by their Priest's, and you've admitted it on a Public Internet! So you stating then that the Vatican has no Public Law with which to answer to the crime's they commit, and what make's you think this? Is it because your a fucking Pavlov with no conscious coherence of your right hemisphere Bosse with your left hemisphere Super Id Munchausen Schitzophrenic Dog shit for brain!

What a laf, the Vatican has banned me from Napels in Second Life because I posted an original picture from the Boiok of Abraham of the Apprentice Pillar being used by the Ancient Egyptian's, which prove's the Vatican has no concept of the Bible whatsoever! Oh, if anyone want's to see the Original Apprentice Pillar used by Abraham that dosn't involve a man's dick up his backside, drop me an email; .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), and i'll throw you a copy of the Simple Truth!

Hey kAOS/KANUTS- What's going on man? I wanted to send you a message but forgot to. Here it goes:How could Nazis have invented CATHOLICISM if Nazis came into existence about 1900 years after the Catholic Church was founded? Thanks for your time!

Also Cranky Media Guy has told everyone on this site time and time again that he does NOT believe that the Bible is true so obviously he is not a Christian,thus Kaos/Kanuts you don't have to attack him for being Christian because he isn't.

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