Oh, and the link all by itself in your last post? Are you still in the womb? If you are not, show how this information applies, please.

Again - a two part post
Rod -
You DO realize you are coversing with two entirely different people here don't you? I am Victoria and live in North Carolina. The other person jaleenasmom lives in an entirely different state. We just happened to meet up on this web site after already connecting through another web site, but I posted here before I ever realized she posted here. You keep talking like you are addressing one and the same person. You are not.

I never referred to having meningitis. Nor have I asked for your private email address. From Victoria's point of view, let's DO keep it public.

I have even tried to politely present you with my own observations, not saying I have come to any conclusions, other than the fact that the other Morgellons sites are NOT fabricating or doctoring up photos.

Here are my symtoms, all documented through my family care physician, opthamologist, doctor of internal medicine, emergency room physician. YOU make a diagnosis based on these symptoms please.

Beginning two years ago:
Flash of light (almost like a camera flash going off) behind my right eye. It was an "explosion" of light, followed within an hour with an intense migraine headache that put me to bed. Upon awakening I had gray foggy floaters and a pinpoint of a very black spot that I chased around, but it would not go away.
Called my doctor - she ordered a CAT scan to rule out possible stroke or anuerism. Negative, she sent me to the opthamologist to see if it might be a detached retina - Negative - He could actually see the floaters, but said it was just stress related and that if I would reduce my stress they would go away. Took a trip to the beach - totally relaxed and de-stressed. They are still with me today and it is like trying to look through a thin veil at times. Guess what - Lyme Disease Symptom.

Stiff neck - can hardly move my head in the mornings - sometimes have to literally pick my head up with my hands because it hurts so bad.
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM

Strange cough at night for at least 3 months that never went away and was not connected to a cold at all. But also at the same time, a constant post nasal clear drip of fluid.
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM

Go on to Part Two of this post.

Part Two
To Rod (and anyone else who wants to read!)"Brain fog" and forgetfulness, trouble with speech. Had recently been jumbling my words up and having difficulty getting my words to come out right and in the middle of a sentence forgetting what I am talking about.
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM
(I have ALWAYS had excellent memory skills and have received superior employee reviews and have been with the same employer for fifteen years.

High liver enzyme count
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM

Decreased white blood cell count
LYME DISEASE SYMPTOM as well as Ehrlichia.
(A CBC shows decreased white blood cells (leukopenia), decreased platelets (thrombocytopenia); a granulocyte stain shows clumps of bacteria inside white blood cells; the platelet count shows decreased platelets (thrombocytopenia); liver enzymes show elevated transaminase; a fluorescent antibody test may turn positive for E. chaffeensis or granulocytic Ehrlichia (also comes from a tick bite.)
LINK:http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C352822.html

Here are the facts - Almost all Morgellons patients who are even BEING tested eventually test positive for Lyme Disease or related vector type infectious disease. Many receive false negative test results until the proper test is administered. There are two new tests that are more conclusive but they have not been approved by the FDA at this point for diagnostic purposes, so the labs can't even use them.

By the way, I AM doing my homework!

Victoria again,
I did not finish with my symptoms, but my doctor has my medical history and I have 37 out of 50 symptoms for Lyme Disease - plus the physical evidence of sores which are not created with my mind...CAN you NOT get it THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL that the biopsies from two labs reported finding a bacteria, but one they were unable to identify - what that means I don't know - it DOES NOT necessarily mean the bacteria they FOUND is S.Maltophilia. IF and I say IF Morgellons is caused by S.Maltophilia could it PERHAPS morph into another new bacteria. THAT has happened throughout medical history.
I am on a mission to find out what is wrong with me and I am sick, but I will DAMNED if I let anybody tell me this illness is delusional. I only wish I could be around the day the discovery is made to see the look on your face.

You've hit the nail on the head, Victoria. Morgellon's Disease is common to people with THIN SKULLS. KnockKnock-Who's there-Morgellons-Morgellons Who?-Morgellons in the drinking water

You could be right about that Hairy - not the THIN SKULL part, but the water part.

OH MY FREAKIN WHATEVER.

Victoria, if you go back and read all of this totally pointless dissertation (I mean all of it, not just mine, yours too) you will see in my posts that I reply mainly to jaleelasmom. When I refer to you, I use YOUR name. See? Two names? See how that works? Basically I fire off a one-liner to you, who are showing absolutely no proof of any kind, and spend the bulk of my time with someone else. This is because all it takes to refute your posts is one line. I spend so much time with jaleelasmom because she, apparently, although I believe she is probably deluding herself, is actually looking for a cause for her symptoms and not just saying "This is it. It's true." Although she HAS, a few times, said that I should prove her wrong and she doesn't HAVE to prove her case; this is faulty reasoning.

So what you are telling me is to keep an open mind? That anything is possible? Well, if that is the way you feel, type those words out and send them to me. Go for it!

Triple Dog Dare ya.

Oh, and I just gotta say VICTORIA that if there is so much evidence that it is lyme disease, ummmm, well....

Oh, sorry, I said dissertation. Meant conglomeration. OH NO! Brain Fog! I'm in trouble.

Rod,
Keep an open mind please and also keep in mind anything IS possible.

And I do apologize for making the comment about "voodoo". I am certainly NOT into that kind of thing. I would NEVER in all honesty wish this illness on anyone else.

It just hurts me to know there are so many other people out there who have the same thing I do and so far nobody really knows exactly WHAT it is or what EXACTLY causes it. I am trying to do everything within my own extremely limited capabilities to do some of my own research.
All I want is answers, that's all.

I promise I will no longer argue my case with you. I may come back here from time to time to post any new developments...but no more debates. I promise it this time.

I go in peace.
Victoria

OKAY EVERYONE, READ THIS!!! Someone who is claiming that her disease is "real" and there is no way that it could be psychological is telling ME, and I quote "Rod,
Keep an open mind please and also keep in mind anything IS possible."

YOU are telling ME to keep an open mind? Get real. Open your own to the possibility that YOU are wrong. I have an open mind, and anyone who reads back through all of this crap can plainly see it.

Also, if you read my previous posts, I gave you people the most sure-fire way to get someone to study it. If your research capabilities are limited, expand them. Go to school. Don't tell me it's not possible to go. I'm pretty freakin sure that if I had a disease that nobody believed me about, I would do everything in my power, EVERYTHING, to prove to someone that it was real, not just telling them that it is, and getting all pissy when they don't believe me. I would want to cure myself so badly that I would do whatever it took... Working cleaning dishes to get the knowledge I needed. If this problem is so real, why don't you PROVE it?
When I had migraines, my local doctor would not believe that they affected me the way that they do. Hence, no medication, extended suffering, etc. So, I spent several weeks digging through everythig from Gray's Anatomy (being the biggest) to pamphlets I found on the bus (being the smallest) in and out of a University library doing my research. Finally, I wrote it all down and gave it to the doctor. I even photocopied all of my sources so that he wouldn't have to go to his own bookshelf to look them up. End result? I proved my point, and now I get the medication that I needed.

My point? Do your research. Prove your point. If it is affecting you so badly, do something about it other than whining on the net and to a doctor who won't listen.

No more debates? Is that not what brings answers?

Sorry about no response, but I do have a 16 month old, I believe I stated this in an earlier post.

I also have a husband, and a MOTHER WHO HAS ROTTING HOLES ON HER NOSE AND NOW HER FACE AND DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE HER HOUSE FOR FEAR OF SPREADING THIS TO OTHERS.

We went out of town today-about 200 miles away, one-way.

But "the bitch is back"!

H.H.!
I have read some of your other post here on the hoax, and I think you're brilliantly funny! :lol:

Moremellons!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

My best to Mom

You miss my point, again, Rod.

1. No, I am not saying s.m. is a new bacteria. Of course it isn't, however, NEW STRAINS of s.m. are appearing as stated by one of these studies.

2. One study of a hospital in Turkey in 2001 showed an EPIDEMIC break-out of s.m. When studied, 97.5% were found to have s.m. infection on the SKIN.

3. The mutating s.m., some develop flagella, you get that one! I am PROUD OF YOU!

4. CDC does not list our symptoms because they do not accept our symptoms...yet... 😜

5. It's not that Menengitis fits OUR symptoms. Look again at the article with the s.m. in mind NOT Menengitis.

6. More later...this night.

I forgot.

6. The INCREASING incidence of s.m. WORLDWIDE.

Poor Rod!
Are you Paranoid too???
Me ask YOU questions about MY GOD???

YOU do not KNOW my God. Why would I ask you questions about something you know nothing of???

I think you are a very intellectual person. An interesting person and a VERY GOOD debater.

I do not mind keeping things "public", my suggestion was that I would like to discuss other things that do not exactly pertain to Morgellons besides here on this thread ABOUT Morgellons.

In my opinion, you are not "shooting me down". You are proving what is simply the case throughout ALMOST the entire medical community.
"I am smarter to believe in nothing, or delusional parasitosis, than in Morgellons. I will NOT accept what patients say they feel, no matter how many become "delusional".

Thank you H.H.!!!
I tell her about these posts. I read them to her actually. Nothing much for her today all day except talk on the phone and watch t.v. Her eyes aren't that great anymore. Her flesh on her legs are necroting so badly! She tries to stay off of them as much as she can.
The only getting out she does is to the nursing home where my step-father is. He can't walk anymore, or talk much, and talk about brain-fog!!!!
She loves this stuff!
I am going to try to get her a web t.v. or something.
She justs loves your posts!

1. New? Maybe. When they've got proof they will publish it. But they will not publish it until they have PROOF.
2. Okay, so you missed the part in the study (which I directly quoted, by the way) where they said that "S.M., a bacteria that is commonly found almost everywhere in nature..."
3. Not so tough. Like I said, many bacteria have "tails". Basic cell structure.
4. When they list your symptoms, I will believe it. You have to remember that these are some of the topmost scientists and researchers in the entire field. Do you really think that nobody there has heard of this? They spend hours a day on the lookout for possible outbreaks. Whether they take it seriously is judged by them.
5. Okay, ya lost me. Here is what I posted for this link--->"Link 5.) WOW. Here they say flat out that they have a drug of choice to kill this bacteria. Meaning they know about it and can kill it. Is it some kind of conspiracy to not let YOU get your hands on it?"
6. Of course the incidence of this bacteria is rising. SO IS EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PLANET DUE TO THE RISING POPULATION. Murders, Marriages, Births, Death, Cancer, Lymphoma, EVERYTHING, because there are so many more people that the number of cases goes up and up. But check it out, the percentages stay within the same range, because it is not spreading, just getting more reports made on it.
I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm biased (guess which way?) but I have never made a decision so firm that if I see actual PROOF I will not reconsider.


As for the private email thing, sorry if I misunderstood, but religion was the only other thing that you ever asked me about. What else would you want to talk about?

And where did the quote at the end come from? You know, this one: "I am smarter to believe in nothing, or delusional parasitosis, than in Morgellons. I will NOT accept what patients say they feel, no matter how many become "delusional".

Rod is an open-minded person.

A little stubborn, but just enough to make him a very intersting...I would say "soul"...would that offend????

Wouldn't it be COOL to be the one discovering something instead of running to a book for the answer!!!!!!

I WOULD LOVE, I SAY, LOVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT I NEED!!!!

I WILL BE WORKING ON THAT PROBLEM TOMMOROW. In the mean time, I only have what I've got to work with and that is free-thought process.

1. It's already published...it's on the WEB for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

2. COMMONLY found, 'tis true!!! Read this article again. S.M. bacteria are NOT supposed to be able to get past "host" defenses.

3. I CONCUR. Bacteria and viruses will mutate to MAKE SURE THEY LIVE. This is a WELL KNOWN, COMMONLY KNOWN MEDICAL FACT, as common as s.m. itself!!!

I have to PROVE to my daughter now that she MUST SLEEP.

BBL...
4. My congressman, John Tanner-D, TN, told me 4 days ago that the CDC basically does not recognize a "new" disease until "enough people are found to have it". He told me that at this point the only way to "make" the medical community listen is to gain more exposure on t.v., newspaper, basically main-stream media.

"Whether they take it seriously is judged by them." Are "they" the "god" of medicine? Judges by which the entire world must look to first in order to make something real that isn't?

5. No conspiracy here that I see. I DO see different microbiologists recommending 3 different drugs, all with limited success.

6. I AGREE.

The quote is what I hear doctors tell patients who have something wrong with them but they don't know what. Instead of 'fessing up and saying I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS, SO YOU MUST BE DELUSIONAL, is what I am seeing a lot of.
Or, they are choosing to say, I WOULD RATHER BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING THAN SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE SMARTER THAN THAT. Remember my post about I couldn't unrinate??? Remember I told you that doctor told me to seek psychiatric care because HE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH ME? I wonder if doctor's egos are being "threatened"???
Hmmm...what if it's not a "delusional thing" but an "ego thing" with doctors. Although I do think the doctor that told me he didn't believe in Fibromyalgia is EXTREMELY egotistical. I saw him last night while I was out getting my mom some food. He saw me and he turned his head so fast I thought surely he had given himself whiplash!

:lol:

His wife noticed it too. She asked him what was wrong. He never looked back my way.

Apology accepted. :coolsmile: One thing I would like to know is what you think about this doctor telling me that I didn't have a PROVEN disease because he didn't believe in it. What would you have said to him if you had been in my shoes???

I am not sure if you live in the U.S. If not just say, don't have to tell me where you are.

Like, what day and/time is it where you are now?

I don't think that doctors are scientists in the true meaning of research.

Most all doctors that I know on a personal basis never do research; they read books written by researchers.

Ever take any psych courses?

Ever take philosophy??

I am philisophical but I do believe in God.

According to Dr. William Cosby: "There's always room flagella." Amoeba only one who finds that funny? I'll need to do a chest exam, so if you have a parameceum, it's okay. I won't blush.

Where do YOU stand on "Global Warming"?

Do you believe there are any government conspiracies, cover-ups?

It's all about The Council. Right, HH, you fuzzy fomentor of falacious fables? Just don't get him started on The Phalanx. Dude's not right.

Step off, Raoul, or you'll never find what your looking for. I'll destroy it before I'll let you use it, I swear. They aren't ready, you fool.

It's too late. It's in Sector Seven, we know that much. We'll find it, and then you'll be expendable. It's because you love them that you will fail, priest.

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