Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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>> Quote: Mindless morons who are incapable of thinking for themselves and take other people's opinions as fact are exactly the kind of people who should not be wasting TOV's time.
Posted by Private in Midwest on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Again.. tsk, tsk.. Again, for the second time, you are breaking Temple Law. According to the Rules, you are not to discuss TOV with non-members.
The Undead Gods are watching and have decided to take away your Immortality. Within 24 hours you will revert back to your human form and will proceed to age and die just like everyone else.
One life, one chance.
Your anonymous postings cannot elude the all-seeing Eye of the Dragon. Our thought policing goes far beyond the internet, and We are, in fact, looking over your shoulder RIGHT NOW as you read this.
WE ARE WATCHING..
Go tell Nemo you have broken Temple Law and have been guilty of posting several times on this forum, and do be sure to give him the URL.
Do it, now it now.
WE ARE WATCHING..
Even Jesus makes a mistake now and then.
"And anybody who doesn't investigate the Temple, but takes what they say on faith (like you apparently do) is breaking the Temple's cardinal rule: Test Everything, Believe Nothing."
Faith is useless.
I take nothing on faith.
You have no idea what I do or don't do, so don't assume that you do.
Merely mentioning the name TOV is not "discussing" it.
YOU people are discussing it, I am mearly pointing out that your arguments make no sense.
Even if it was some other organization you were discussing, I would still point out that you make no sense.
That, honey, is FAITH, no matter how much you slice and dice it or try to rationalize it away. If the Temple told you that the "Undead Gods" were really Grey aliens in disguise, you'd believe that too as soon as you could "confirm" it in your own ritual experience.
You have to first believe in the existence of the "Undead Gods" before you can begin to call them. That's all "suspension of disbelief" is--BELIEF.
The Temple feeds you a suggestion (that the "Undead Gods" are real) and then you "confirm" that suggestion through the distorted viewpoint that the Temple foists on all its followers. It's confirmation bias at its worst.
By the way, how do you "validate" that Jesus was a vampire? Do you have to call Yeshua HaMeshiach up in your magic mirror and ask him yourself?
I have a feeling that they would believe anything Yeshua HaMeshiach would tell them. Lol!
This is the mental state of such types (may want to put on some Depend underwear protection before watching):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8KxXHibv6A
If you buy the Vampire Bible you can summon the undead Gawwwwwwwwwwwwwds into your home. Gawwwwwwwwwwwwds! ROFLOL!
Instead of sending out prayer handkerchiefs, Nemo got smart by charging for the powerful undead god attracting rings and medallions, I have to give him some credit there.
http://www.evilbible.com
Hail Satan!
Complete Vampirism requires the closing of the Circuit such that the Lifeforce flows to the Advanced Vampires, Who then, in turn, restore Their more refined Lifeforce (carrying the imprint of their knowledge and skills) back to you.
This results in authentic advancement.
The simple Vampirism that can be felt at large public events such as sporting arenas or music concerts, for example, is simply flowing through you and then dissipated.
Complete Vampirism transmutes you into being not only capable of greater Lifeforce capacity but additionally allows you to access what older and more experienced Vampires have accomplished.
All of this is discussed in The Vampire Bible. It is a very concise and concentrated book. Those who just read it through and think they understand it remind me of those who skim a college textbook on physics and then assume they can pass the final exam.
It requires careful thought and correct application to achieve Complete Vampirism, the closing of the Lifeforce circuit.
Those who think they are really Vampires merely because they can feel the taking of Lifeforce have missed 99% of the picture.
Metamorphosis is invisible but real for the true Vampire.
But be careful to not simply believe me.
Test Everything. Believe Nothing.
That can then allow you to gain solid, personally-validated knowledge.
I did want to suggest that the Dayside of the Temple is commonly used by COS members completely on its own in order to better apply those very precepts.
There is an incorrect assumption that members are required to pursue the Nightside and this is simply not true.
In fact, one of the reasons we restrict Nightside discussion to the Graded forums is to never cause the Dayside Vampire who has not validated and may not be even interested in validating such things, to feel that he must ever do so.
The Six Secrets of Earthly Mastery come first and can be all that is required to fulfill every single one of the Temple's overall claims.
I know of no true Satanist with his head screwed on straight who would not agree that every one of these goals is worthy and important.
The Vampire and Satanist agree that:
1. Financial independence means freedom and anything less is a degree of slavery.
Hence our emphasis on getting out of debt, getting a good job, and building enough wealth to be truly free of financial slavery.
If you can't pay the rent you are not very free.
2. "Survival is the highest law."
Hence our emphasis on exactly how to prepare and train to survive no matter what happens.
Hence our emphasis on pursuing the cutting edge of better health technologies.
Getting mugged, dying in a riot, or contracting a terminal disease which you could have entirely avoided with more knowledge just makes no sense at all.
3. "Death is the great abstinence" and is not desirable.
Hence our emphasis on pursuing the cutting edge medical technologies that already exist.
We do not bury our heads in the sand about the inevitability of death.
We actively do something about it.
4. Manipulating human beings for our own selfish gain.
Hence we amass specific and proven psychological and sociological techniques, and assist our members in learning to master them.
5. Self-control and self-mastery.
Hence we work with the psychological principles that allow our members to rise above the common traps of limited self-esteem, guilt, fear, embarrassment, and peer pressure.
This very Satanic Grand Grimoire of goals, and methods to attain these goals, are all found in the locked Dayside Secrets forums. We finally bound these together in a book available only to active members, but the methods are already in the threads for those who will read and apply them ...including the checklists to follow!
I simply laugh at the nonsense I read from time to time where so-called "Satanists" simply do not get it.
I did not become a Magister personally appointed by Doctor LaVey in 1996 because I was undercutting his vision by promoting the Temple of the Vampire.
It takes a certain peculiar degree of stupidity to believe that the Doktor did not endorse what he held to be in line with his own vision.
The Dayside of the Temple of the Vampire is indistinguishable from the dogma of Satanism.
It is pro-ego, pro-power, pro-intelligence, pro-wealth, pro-survival, and pro-immortality (and so was the Doktor in his 1973 written essay in "The Cloven Hoof", when reviewing Alan Harrington's book The Immortalist).
No one is ever required or urged to stay in the Temple.
However, if you are leaving because you want to stick "to just the precepts set forth in The Satanic Bible for now", then understand this:
We are not just talking about doing so.
We are actually doing so.
One last comment.
No one gets into Graded Temple membership to work with others on Nightside issues any longer until and unless they are getting their Dayside life together.
The requirements to enter First Circle are stiff in that they require the Temple member to actually do these things.
Only then is the Temple member offered direct support on pursuing the Nightside.
In other words, only those who actually put into practice real Satanism on a practical and realistic level are even allowed to get into First Circle.
Perhaps this might clarify in your mind exactly why we have so many very, very high ranking Satanists as Graded members of the Temple.
They are doers, not just talkers.
So if you are only leaving to follow "Satanism", you might want to rethink that thought.
You are always free to leave.
Only those who actually want to stay in the Temple do so.
And only those who actually take action and walk their talk tend to do so.
I intend to post most of this reply on the message board when it is back up and running after the completion of our upgrade - without mentioning your name, of course.
Thank you for inspiring me to address this issue which all too often has been passed over.
Those with Grade already understand this.
I think a lot of newer members maybe do not.
13th post summarizes what we've been saying here quite well.
To Standard in USDA: Was there a particular point you were trying to make when you plagiarized that Lifeforce post by Nemo?
>>There is an incorrect assumption that members are required to pursue the Nightside and this is simply not true.<<
If that's the case and Dayside Vampirism philosophy is basically a carbon copy of Satanism, why not just stick with CoS instead of paying the Temple all of those fees? Makes sense if one does not want to utilize the Nightside teachings, no?
>>Hence we work with the psychological principles that allow our members to rise above the common traps of limited self-esteem, guilt, fear, embarrassment, and peer pressure.<<
A real Satanist would know how to get through these issues on his own without joining a vampire group. People who exhibit the character traits above most often join groups that claim to offer power, money, mastery over others, health, rank, etc because they don't have those things in the first place. It's quite evident these are the type of people the Temple gears their promises to. Hence why you advertise in the tabloids that attract that sort.
>>It takes a certain peculiar degree of stupidity to believe that the Doktor did not endorse what he held to be in line with his own vision.<<
Dayside vampirism? I can see that. Nightside vampirism however is in complete opposition to what Anton LaVey taught. And that is the one thing you constantly fail to address.
You also fail to realize that a great number of CoS members simply do not share your vision or philosophy and do not want the Church of Satan associated with your Temple. They PAID for their CoS membership - it's only fair.
>>Perhaps this might clarify in your mind exactly why we have so many very, very high ranking Satanists as Graded members of the Temple.<<
Because you are giving them a cut of the share?
DAMN THOSE FEES!!!
DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!
HOW DARE DO THEY HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CHARGE FEES FOR THEIR SERVICES!!!
DAMN IT ALL TO FUCKING HELL!!!
Excellent point!
And Private in Midwest, you need to 'deidentify'. 😉
I was actually thinking the same thing.
I agree because Greater Magic is, for the most part, personal and free unless the CoS wants to start charging a fee for TRUE sorcerer titles like the ToV does.
If you have to pay the Church of Satan to make you a Satanist then you are not one. At least, I thought that the whole point of being a Satanist is realizing you was born that way.
I didn't pay fees to be made into a Satanist because I read the Satanic Bible and found my own reflection there. Somehow I think some ToV members don't feel like Vampires unless they are paying their precious fees and feel that paying fees makes them a Vampire.
I admit that I shoveled out $200.00 dollars for the CoS yet I did this to show my support of the CoS's promotion of Satanic philosophy to affect the world. I didn't pay the fee to be made a Satanist yet I felt it was more like a thank you gift for finally helping me organize and understand what I was and not an obligation fee like it is with the ToV.
A bit off topic, I also don't think you have to read every book in a library to be a Satanist because LaVey called this type of antagonistic and pretentious attitude 'moose lodge syndrome'. For example, Satanist A says Satanist B is not a Satanist because B did not read or accomplish what A feels B should. In my opinion, A is the one with the problem and not allowing B to be his own God and choose his own diversity of thought and reasonable actions.
As I have heard before, there is a difference between knowing it all and being a know-it-all.
If you think being a Satanist is about being a auto-contrary know-it-all and making other Satanists walk on eggshells around you (because you are a true Christian) trying to tell everyone they are not a Satanist then you don't get it, just my opinion.
"Because you are giving them a cut of the share?"
Not speaking for anyone but myself. As an ex-con who ran several scams in the past..the occult scam really isn't that profitable.
Have you ever ran a Pyramid Scheme?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme
Do some research on Nouveau Tech Secret Society.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/275/RipOff0275774.htm
Mark Hamilton/Neo Tech also is worth some research. Multi-level marketing disguised as a "Secret Society", complete with "secret-ancient" texts.
They all shares some similarities to another organization we all know so well.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/consumer-awareness/40588-nouveau-tech-society-scam.html
The Temple does not reward members with titles based upon what they pay so much as what they accomplish from APPLICATION of the Teachings. Anyone who deludes themselves and pays for the title without actually applying the teachings is wasting their own time and money all while making themselves look like idiots. The Temple is not obligated to validate if what a person says is true or not based upon their own testimonies because frankly, your testimony will reflect your own life. One reason why a mirror is such a powerful teaching.
The Church of Satan charges for membership. The Temple charges for membership. There are additional forums available for active membership in order to assist thge member who may wish to apply the teachings deeper. The more advanced members assist them. It would be idiotic to assume that you know everything and based upon that logic you undercut your ability to learn from another who may be capable of teaching you something you did not no. Schools exist for a reason. The Temple is a school. If you believe that the Temple should offer its advanced services for free are only kidding yourselves. Charity has its limits.
Satanists are capable of learning from others who may offer additional insight to others. Someone who has been a Satanist and have applied themselves in the real world would have much experience. Do you think there's anything wrong with learning from such an individual?
The advanced members of the Temple have accumulated years of experience from real worl application of the Temple teachings. They offer to assist the member of less experience in order to help them. That is why there have been many members who have provided their own personal testimonials through wise application on what the Temple teachings have done for them. It is all about personal power and worldy gain. Not spiritual mumbo jumbo. The Temple does not require martyrs but requires life lovers. Hence why immortality is a goal.
It is foolish to make assumptions about what types of people the Temple attracts. The Temple is very specific that its main focus is on the Temple Mission, to find those who have the potential to rise. If one joins the Temple who is weak by nature then their nature will always win out. If you join and prove the Teachings are real then you have proven to yourself what side of the fence you are on. So in essence the Temple never promises anyone anything aside from those who are of Vampiric nature.
I disagree.
The Temple of the Vampire does not state that the Day Side application of the Teachings IS Satanism. It claims that Satanism is compatible with the Day Side Teachings. The differences can be found with careful investigation. Members who have successfuly advanced within the Day side provide additional insight everyday on the forums. By the way, you are not required to pay more than $35.00 for the membership within the Temple. The Vampire Bible is all that is required.
Again I disagree.
Anton LaVey advocated practicing ritual and he got results. The Temple has proclaimed that the Undead Gods are advanced members who have learned to rise and can assist you. Undead Gods are not the spiritual beings that you associate Christianity with. No more than Anton LaVey associated the Gods and Devils he called with a spiritual essence. The Undead are of carnal nature and are carnallly active. They are verifiable to those who are of the Vampiric Nature. Just because YOU are not capable of summoning them with success does not mean they aren't real. The Satanic Bible (TSB) talks about the spiritual as a carnal invention which is why the spiritual is nothinjg but the carnal. Get this and you can understand why the Night Side teachings are compatible with the very essence of Satanism. Fail to get this and you will be walking within circles trying to grasp it.
Satanism doesn't require you to pay any fees; you just have to be willing to go out and buy "The Satanic Bible" from a bookstore and that single book tells you all you need to know about Satanism and how to practice Satanism.
And, frankly, if Undead Gods are Advanced Vampires who have moved beyong the physical, and live on in the astral realms, how the hell does that make them "carnal"? You do know what carnal means, don't you? Fleshly, material, PHYSICAL!!
I think you're just grasping at straws now.
BTW, you do know that the concept of hopping from physical body to physical body isn't a new one? The Illuminates of Thanateros, famous for being the organization founded by Chaos magician Peter Carroll, also teaches something very similar. Carroll discusses it at the end of "Liber Null."
To us "Satan" is a symbol rather than an anthropomorphic being, although many members of the Church of Satan who are mystically inclined prefer to think of Satan in a very real, anthropomorphic way. Of course, we do not discourage this, because we realize that it is very important to many individuals to ritualistically conceptualize a well-wrought picture of their mentor or tutelary (guardian/protector) divinity. Symbolically, however, Satan is the teacher: the informer of the whys and wherefores of the world. In answer to those who would label us "Devil worshippers" or be quick to assume us to be Satan worshippers, I must say that Satan demands study, not worship.
We do not grovel; we do not get down on our knees, genuflect, and worship Satan. We do not plead, we do not implore that Satan give us what we wish. We feel that anyone who is going to be blessed by any god of his choice is going to have to show that god that he is capable of taking care of the blessings that are conceived.
NOTE from the current High Priest: This tolerance of mystics changed after 1975, when a small group of them left the Church feeling that their leader had communed with Satan in the form of Set, and transferred a mythical "Infernal Mandate" from LaVey to him. That was the proof to LaVey that those who believe in an external entity, regardless of how they see it, behave as do other theists, not as Satanists, and could have no place in the Church of Satan."
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=67443
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lignn1VWAl8
The ToV is NOT a school. Schools do not take away your diploma once you leave. If you leave "active membership" ToV takes away all your titles/grades away and make you start over from scratch if you decide to come back. Basically, if ToV was a school, then it's students can never actually graduate. Your degrees are only rented degrees and nothing more.
All the "teachings" are geared to separate the practitioner's senses from their sensibilities. In that way, they become easily manipulated, like Mr. Nukem.
Not to mention the fact that you are paying for "teachings" from "teachers" that have no credentials other than "titles" given to them for who knows what.?.?
The Temple has an entire forum thread in Lifeforce devoted to "bridges." Active members troll other websites and post links to one of three "bridges": "The Vampire Question" for gothic vampire wannabes, "The Buddhist Question" for failed Buddhists, and "The Law of Attraction Question" for New Age nutjobs. The entire goal is to support the Temple mission by gaining more members.
The Temple even uses a modified form of Pascal's Wager to lure in "Potentials." It's almost exactly like the Christian version, just focused on the Vampire religion: "Hey, look, if we're wrong then everybody's going to die. But if we're right...YOU'LL LIVE FOREVER!!!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager
I was wondering to myself how they would feel being stuck with that if they lost their membership over something petty.
Ohh My! That would really be a bummer having that as a constant reminder, wouldn't it. 😉
Seriously. But if you expect to be in the Temple forever, then maybe it seems worth it.
Can you provide examples of the Buddhist and Law of Attraction questions? Never seen them before.
http://www.vampiretemple.com/attraction.html
The Buddhist thing is rather laughable because it obviously targets people who shouldn't be Buddhists or aren't very good at Buddhism. The ToV's philosophy is so different from Buddhism that I don't understand why any Buddhist would be interested in their nonsense.
The Law of Attraction question just hinges on the fact that humans aren't immortal.
You took the words right out of my mouth! Yahoo today?
Also, I am not sure what Rupert and Nahson are talking about in regards to spamming?
That would be appreciated and thank you. 😊
And, I have enjoyed both of your past contributions here too.
The spam has already been deleted. It was somebody claiming to be from Africa and wanting to find cheap hotels in NYC.
How have you acquired this information? Are you currently a Temple Member?
If YOU are incapable of verifying that the Temple claims are true then it is because YOU are not capable. So indeed the Undead are out of the realm of fantasy to those who have verified their existence.
"And, frankly, if Undead Gods are Advanced Vampires who have moved beyong the physical, and live on in the astral realms, how the hell does that make them "carnal"? You do know what carnal means, don't you? Fleshly, material, PHYSICAL!!"
Have you ever held light in your hands before?
Just because you can't grasp something does not mean it is not carnal.
The Temple only removes an individuals title based upon two things: 1. Breaking Temple Law. This is the minimal requirement and anyone with an ounce of self-discipline can accomplish.
2. Betraying the Temple through lies and deception.
When a member makes a proclamation that the Teachings are true and they then walk away from the Temple it is a display that that indivisual must not have held the Teachings or their testimonies to be true enough for them to stay. They are welcome to depart. Again, the Temple grants titles based upon testimonies that the member has made. It does not offer to sell them. They are earned by the member through real wrlld application and verification. "Do not deny what you verify."