Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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I will add that after I left ToV, my experience with CoS members was never the same. Although I left ToV because many of their "adepts" and members were anti-CoS, I would soon discover that no one wanted to talk to me on LttD anymore, or perhaps would reply with some hostility.
I became completely disgusted by the fact that although I had removed myself from ToV, I still had to deal with it and it's bullshit, because ToV was everywhere that CoS was. Hell, even Radio Free Satan was owned and operated by ToV priesthood.
I knew without a doubt by the time I received the ToV priesthood bible and read their oath of fealty that the whole thing was a big lie, and I was pretty damn embarrassed by the fact that I had been "taken." Although I felt like a fool, I was glad that I was smart enough to get out before signing my life over to Nemo and his "priesthood." There certainly was some anger and resentment, which comes naturally with any type of disillusionment, as well as a bit of craziness when the ToV worldview suddenly crumbled before my eyes.
I tried to make a go of it with the religion I had defended, CoS, but that began to unravel as well. I understood the differences between the two religions, but could not understand how someone in the CoS, especially priesthood, could also swear complete allegiance to ToV. That in itself, to me, would invalidate their CoS membership.. but some of these people were adepts and high priests of both organizations.. ToV advocates worship of Undead Gods while CoS advocates atheism. Hypocrites.
So I began to question things, and saw CoS for what it is: A website-based group and a few people at the top making out. I became even more disillusioned with LttD, as it would seem the "hierarchy" was only interested in molding public opinion and making others feel inferior.
On top of that, you had ToV members flocking in to join the Church of Satan who clearly weren't even Satanists, but joined because Nemo assured them that joining CoS would strengthen their "Dayside." So, these people now had access to CoS private forums and such, and thus ended my own posting on the boards because I just didn't want to interact with the vampire religion, yet LttD was saturated with it. Here I was.. resigned from the vampire religion and still surrounded by all the same dipshits that I had left behind.
Satanism is supposed to be about the INDIVIDUAL, but I assure you, the individual does not matter on LttD or elsewhere in CoS. There was a lot of mind control going on on LttD and then Undercroft came out and things became even clearer.
Undercroft opened the door to any Tom, Dick, or Harry Potter that wanted to join. At first, it made no sense. LttD was banning people left and right for one nit-picky reason or another, and then anyone at all could join Undercroft. And I mean anyone. It was a complete circus.
Then came the subscription fees, and it all made sense. CoS was fast becoming another ToV. It seems to me CoS is about a few people making out; selling books, selling stuff on the Emporium, selling subscriptions.
So I began to poke around further. I began to view these things without all the bias you pick up as a "member" and realized CoS really had nothing more to offer me by being a member or being affiliated in any way. My life was of no importance to the group.
I was far better off on my own, living a real life in the real world. In the end, all this internet stuff was a complete waste of time.
Make of this post what you will. I'm not really looking for debate or anything. Just adding some thoughts to the page.
Excellent post, thank you for your input!
Also, after reading LaVey's writings and watching LaVey's documentaries I am bothered that what I see in the former and latter is different than the attitudes and actions I see displayed today.
And, to those who don't know, Boyd Rice was actually offered to be the CoS's High Priest yet he turned down the offer by LaVey. I sure think he was qualified.
Furthermore, in Boyd Rice's new book Standing in Two Circles, he is said to have left because he thought the CoS was no longer any fun and had become too dogmatic (see LTTD and their intellectual bullying). Wow! That is pretty harsh coming from a Satanic icon like Boyd F-ing Rice...
I have to say that I agree with most of what Retired is saying.
I also have been placed on the ignore list after leaving the ToV even though the ToV claims it will not affect your membership in the CoS.
I hope Blanche Barton is listening... please help bring back the 70's when Satanists were ladies and gentlemen and not online douchebags (this doesn't apply to all Satanists)...
I also think bringing the CoS into this makes sense because how both organizations are so intertwined.
I mean the ToV mouse is practically dry humping the coattail of the elephant CoS. Lol! 😜
But someone pointed out to me an article written by Nemo himself called "Who's There?" about the ritual chamber.
His conclusion? It's only in the mind there are no entities.
The essay I read was in "Black Flames". I don't have his "Fires From Within" so I don't know if it is in there or not. But here it is straight from the horses mouth (ass).
"Undead Gods" my ass.
All of you TOV members have been had. Have a good life.
Dorkula
Yes and unfortunately a falling out with the ToV or even just your disapproval of them will negatively affect your CoS membership. I know a few good standing members who did not get invited to CoS Cabals because they were vocal about their disapproval of the Temple.
>> Hell, even Radio Free Satan was owned and operated by ToV priesthood.<<
I figured as much. There is a corny Temple of the Vampire commercial during every show.
Funny...do you know that the ToV also advertises in fake tabloid papers such as The Sun, Weekly World News and The Inquirer? Next time you're at the supermarket pick up one of these and thumb through the classifieds and there they are! Just goes to show the type of people they want to attract - new-agey nutcases who buy into tabloid stories like "Bat-boy" or "Jesus face on a tortilla." And the ToV expects you, a Satanist to embrace such people as "family."
>>On top of that, you had ToV members flocking in to join the Church of Satan who clearly weren't even Satanists, but joined because Nemo assured them that joining CoS would strengthen their "Dayside." <<
Wow. That's just utterly despicable. Sadly it doesn't surprise me. It's also very hypocritical being that the ToV accepts Christians, Wiccans and every other religion under the sun. 😠
It is so very benefitial that information like this is being uncovered about the ToV. It's sad that CoS membership can be adversely affected if alligiance to the ToV is not proclaimed or if a relationship to the ToV is terminated by a CoS member. Is it a way of informally silencing somebody who might disclose the true nature of the ToV's intentions? Is that why so many CoS members choose to remain ToV, because they are really worried about severing their CoS ties by opting out?
Yet, the Temple never said in what way humans would serve them?
So are humans in the 'last days' going to come and wash my dishes and do my laundry, take my dog for a walk and pick cotton in the fields for me if I am a Vampire God?
Anyway, not that this really adds or detracts from anything, yet the US government, currently, is dominated by a Christian majority (aka One Nation Under Jesus) and not Vampire Gods.
And, if Vampires created the world religions then they made a big mistake and are morons for doing so.
I say this because, as we speak, some terrorists are destroying lives in the name of their imaginary friend.
If Vampires are guilty of creating this Christianity that Satanism detests then why is Satanism and the ToV sleeping in the same bed together? WTF?
When I was in the ToV, Nemo actually would quote from the Christian Bible while teaching his "lessons." I was like, what the hell? He's supposed to be a CoS Magister and he's quoting scripture? It didn't take long after seeing that for me to start questioning the legitimacy of the whole operation.
Once you are inside and start to question things, the illusions crumble rather easily if you are willing to face up to reality. The trouble is that everyone wants to feel powerful and elite, and somehow live forever. Members follow along, even though they claim to 'test everything and believe nothing.' A lot of what I saw on the ToV message board was based on belief, not unlike the belief of a born-again Christian. And as a member I was pushed to believe, though be it indirectly, what was being said on the boards, which coincidentally, was often in direct contradiction to the actual ToV literature.
I have watched this organization change and morph over the years, and you can't get an "official" insight into the organization from their website, as was suggested by someone else here, because the information there changes all the time. They used to actually promise you physical immortality on the website, which is an OBVIOUS LIE that they cannot possibly deliver, as well as numerous other things which have already been discussed.
In addition, in true cult fashion, ToV members were often told what to do in their personal lives, and Nemo would often name people who were "blacklisted" that members were then no longer "allowed" to associate with at the risk of termination from the organization. Members were also told what they could or could not put on their myspace pages or other public activities.
I think anyone who who joins any organization of this nature should really stop to consider the things that have been stated here in this blog, because in joining you are risking putting your name and personal reputation on the line. On top of that, if others happen to discover your affiliations, they will base their opinion of you by what they find online or by public opinion, no matter how misinformed it may be.
With that being said.. What are these organizations going to do for you in return? Chances are, you'll get thrown under the bus should your affiliation cause you dis-ease in your personal life.
To each their own, but if you are truly looking to experience non-conformity, you will be disappointed by these organizations, who are anything BUT non-conformist, and this includes CoS. Just go over to LttD and you'll see what I mean.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are a Human too.
Anything that you have been told by the ToV in regards to Super-natural powers, skills or abilities is all false.
You will not live forever, you will die and rot like the rest of us.
If you joined the ToV in hopes of bettering your life you won't, your are who you are, if you joined the ToV a weakling you will leave it the same way, when your money runs out so will your positive reinforcement.
Life-force vamping is an imaginative event, it's not physically possible. Your vamp roll models tell you it's real but they have never really done it either. Try it on somebody outside of the ToV circle, it won't work. The only kind of vamping that is real is bank account vamping.
Lol! Now we are resorting to the popular internet grammar and spelling insult tactic when opposing opinions start to aggravate.
_rolls eyes_
By the way, have you caught the typos and grammatical errors in Nemo's books and postings?
Seriously, I never paid attention to such things because I would focus on the points he was making rather than his spelling or grammar.
Do you really believe that you think everyone making posts on an informal internet forum is going to take your pompous spelling and grammar chastisement serious? Guess What! WHO CARES!
I also find it stupid that you assume posters here, that you don't know on personal basis, are not literate Mister or Miss Know-It-All.
As a former member of the ToV, I suggest that you should consider 'deidentification' because displays like this on here could make you look all too 'human'.
Maybe your not a Vampire?
However, keep the FAITH!
_raises fist in the air_
And your point is?
Why say something if it doesn't offer anything to the discussion?
Your such a GOD! Lol!
First of all, TOV is a for-profit organization that offers products and services for a price. Do you morons seriously expect them to start giving things away for free???
Nothing is free in this world. And if it is, it is usually because it is worthless.
Second of all, Rupert, ten dollars a month will most definitely not send me to the poorhouse. I joined TOV because I WANTED TO JOIN TOV.
I find it incredibly amusing to find a whole internet forum devoted to bad mouthing TOV.
If TOV is really such a scam/hoax/waste of time that you people say it is, then why are you spending so much time and energy talking about it?
Whatsa matter? You all pissed off cause Nemo kicked your asses to the curb or what?
By the way, the reason I am here is a combination of boredom and insomnia. Well that and free entertainment. 😊
If you have read through all the posts here you would realize that Temple fees are not the only criticizm here.
Seriously, would you pay someone upfront to prove to you that you are an Alien from the planet Niburu?
And, now that I look back on things, I just feel it is silly to pay someone up front to validate whether or not their claims are true or false. Do you buy a car on impulse without looking under the hood to see if there is an engine just because it sounds like a good deal? They do have lemon laws for a reason...
And its like the snakeoil salesman who asks you to take his word that if you drink his potion that you will live forever. Really!!!!! Give me 10 of them now!
First of all, TOV is a for-profit organization that offers products and services for a price. Do you morons seriously expect them to start giving things away for free???
First, I am not a moron (I would think a Vampire could show more respect to others) and, second, I never said that they should give anything away for free.
Nothing is free in this world. And if it is, it is usually because it is worthless.
Really, is everything that is free worthless? Who told you to believe that?
And do you truly believe that you can determine what is valuable or invaluable by just the price tag or just because it has a price tag?
I guess you can say this forum is sort of a Consumer's Buyer Guide.
Caveat Emptor! 😉
Second of all, Rupert, ten dollars a month will most definitely not send me to the poorhouse. I joined TOV because I WANTED TO JOIN TOV.
Are you not forgetting all of the other costs as mentioned in previous postings in this forum, unless the Temple has morphed again.
I find it incredibly amusing to find a whole internet forum devoted to bad mouthing TOV.
I find it incredibly amusing that you are wasting your time here if you do not like what is being said here.
If TOV is really such a scam/hoax/waste of time that you people say it is, then why are you spending so much time and energy talking about it?
Whatsa matter? You all pissed off cause Nemo kicked your asses to the curb or what?
Have you not read or paid attention to previous postings on here?
By the way, the reason I am here is a combination of boredom and insomnia. Well that and free entertainment.
I don't care why you are here, is there a reason you felt a need to share why you are here with everyone?
I can tell you must be newbie to the ToV because of your blind enthusiasm, lack of objectivity and lack of manners.
And are you 'literate' because it is obvious you haven't read some of the previous postings here based upon some of your comments.
It's fun to point fingers for a while but you're not immune to death or human nature either. You are also showing a defensiveness when your convictions are being attacked. In other words, it is stemming from uncertainty and you really don't know that you will live forever or that the TOV is truthful; you're taking it on faith.
"I find it incredibly amusing to find a whole internet forum devoted to bad mouthing TOV."
Not amusing, expected. Freedom of speech and expression buddy.
"If TOV is really such a scam/hoax/waste of time that you people say it is, then why are you spending so much time and energy talking about it?"
Maybe they feel they have a good reason to suspect the TOV claims don't deliver based on their own experiences and wish to convey that to others. It's something ordinary people do called discussion and agreement. Of course a wider perspective of experience includes awareness of overlapping (objective) and personal (subjective) elements, so one thing that works for an individual or two may not work for others.
"By the way, the reason I am here is a combination of boredom and insomnia."
Get medication if it's a problem.
"Well that and free entertainment."
Your service provider isn't free. On equal footing go watch TV.
"Nothing is free in this world. And if it is, it is usually because it is worthless."
I think you meant nothing of value is without effort, but it didn't come out that way. Money isn't the absolute measure of value. Also, your logic is incorrect. There are many things that have a high price but worthless, whether products or services.
This isn't the best analogy because of the vast price difference between a book and a car. However, it is an intelligent question. Ultimately it is about how interested a person is in exploring the possibility of the goals stated by the organization. Best way to tell from first impressions: are the goals coherent and clear? An organization that tells you that it will give you "spiritual" powers and help you "evolve the soul/self/whatever into a divine state" isn't coherent; "spiritual" can mean anything and "evolution" into "divinity" is similarly arbitrary. The TOV does state a coherent goal: you will physically live forever through the tools it offers, but still doesn't mean it is reasonable according to your view of the "real" at the moment.
Another thing, you're not going to buy a car if you don't want to drive. There's no point in exploring the TOV if physical immortality doesn't seem to be an advantage to you or something you want to strive for. There is also a testing ground: The Vampire Bible has been described as a stand-alone. Therefore, if you don't get any valuable experiences from it then skip the interest altogether. Although $25 seems pricey for a small tome, the value of a book is its quality information and not the physical item; the authors probably felt it has a certain quality to it in exchange for the price.
For the ex-member here, your experiences were never worthless. Atleast now you know what doesn't work for you, and you have increased your BS detectors for future nonsense.
Actually, what still bothers me to this very moment, is that I would still love to physically live forever if it was actually possible.
For the ex-member here, your experiences were never worthless. Atleast now you know what doesn't work for you, and you have increased your BS detectors for future nonsense.
If I hadn't been a Xtian in the past I may have let some of the BS slip by me. 😛
I also think some are downplaying the cost of the ToV here and are forgetting about all of the ingredients of the 'high fashion' designer LHP cologne for sale that is endorsed by a celebrity of the CoS.
If you look closely at the ingredients on the bottle of snake oil cologne you will find the ingredients make this immortal cologne quite pricey.
The ingredients include the following:
1.Price of Books which are 25 or more dollars a piece.
2.Price of Grade Evaluations which was around 75 dollars per level, at the time I was a member, and I think there are at least 5 Circles or levels of advancement.
3.Cryogenics Membership fees and Life Insurance Fees to maintain Priesthood Status (if that is still the policy).
4.Temple Medallion and Rings to wear in order to please Undead Gods.
5.And monthly membership fees.
So if you sit down and add all of this up then you are paying well over a $1000.00 dollars to be a bonified Vampire and the fees never stop as long as you are a member.
Would you pay over $1000.00 dollars for a bottle of cologne just because a celebrity endorsed it and without smelling it to see if it smells like BS? Well, obviously, some here are willing to keep on doing just that and take the ToV's word for it.
That can be spred well over 10 years, and the only fees that never stop is $100 annually or $10 monthly; less than belonged to most academic organizations (in which I do belong also). You don't need to enter the Priesthood nor active membership to successfully pursue the material. You don't need to please the "Undead Gods" with jewelry, but it is suggested that it can aid if you wish to wear it during the ceremony.
In other words, the options are open and not restricted; you can pick and choose (I see a value in pursuing active membership for myself, but I am not interested in showing off my membership publically enough to buy jewelry, or buy some of the commentary literature available to the public, or going past 2nd Circle, etc). It is similar to the tools available at a gym. It is the individual that brings the nonsense (I gotta get active membership, all the jewelry, reach all Grades as fast as possible to become an immortal Undead God!!! or to keep with the analogy...I gotta use every single one of the weights and machines at the gym in one day very fast and hard to get as strong as the Hulk!!!).
The Temple also covers resources involving investment and career choices for an improved financial situation, not keep you enslaved money-wise to the organization.
Well, obviously, some here are willing to keep on doing just that and take the ToV's word for it.
They're immature if they are not getting anything concrete out of it except feel-high-and-mighty nonsense. They eventually outgrow the TOV in search of "better stuff" that improves their self-image and ego.
You do the ritual of Communion and then they appear in your mirror or your bedroom. Poof!
Once there, then how do you know you can trust them or their intentions? Do you trust them just because the VB or Nemo says you can or because they give you a warm hug and a pat on the back and say its all good?
And when there they expect you to give them part of your soul (aka astral) and in return they give you part of theirs IF they deem you WORTHY.
I am sorry but that is a big part of yourself to give to a total stranger hoping to get something in return.
Are you going to be like the writers of the Bible (who could have been mentally ill or under the influence of drugs) and take a burning bush's word or some strange voice in your head's word for it just because it is cool looking, sounding and manifested in your bedroom?
Well, has anyone heard of the Temple of Set or Joseph Smith and Mormonism or Crowley and Aiwass or other modern day prophets who trust in the Angels or Demons that they believe appear to them or that they claim they channel?
Are you going to be SO 'trusting' with strangers just like them?
What if the truth of the lie is that they have a different agenda for you that you are unaware of.
I saw this question posted on the ToV messageboard and, basically, you were told you have to take your chances.
Is this religion as dangerous as Christianity?
Well, it depends on how many disgruntled ex-members of this cult flip out and do the unspeakable...
Nemo's family may be coming to a neighborhood near you... 😉
Please watch The ToV Family - Official Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H21V4vaBjvA
I can see some X-members with X's on their foreheads laughing at this silly little hoax...
I am laughing. Are you?
While I am unfamiliar with the Temples use of ceremony-I think using different elements in ritual can help open your mind up. From what I have experienced, I wear and use certain things in ritual because my own mind limits me from getting the results that I want. So using these elements can perhaps open your mind up further? This is just a thought of my own.
NOTHING is as dangerous as christianity.
I think this question answers itself. You do the ceremony to get to know these Undead Gods. I mean you do pass from unknowing to knowing. You invite, they come, and you share a mutual nature. This kinda sounds like Hell Raiser when Pinhead appeared and that girl and he said "You called and we came". Of course it didn't work out so well for the girl..but she did live.
Hell Raiser is just a movie. You do know the difference between movies and reality, do you not?
That my friend, is the million-dollar question!
Actually I have been a member of TOV for a while now. But I am not a spokesperson for them so I will not discuss Temple matters here.
Blind enthusiam? I am not here to defend TOV. If you have decided that it is a bunch of crap and not for you, then more power to you.
It's not necessarily that I have lack of objectivity, it's that I have a really hard time trying to understand things that make absolutely no sense.
Do you people truly not realize how ignorant many of you appear by babbling your nonsense?
Compared to other major religions around the world, TOV is actually quite liberal. The Temple absolutely does not force anyone to do anything that they don't want to.
This is certainly not true of other religions, such as christianity for example. In the christian church, you have to give your ENTIRE soul to christ, as well as your life, your money, your time, and on and on. Just for the PROMISE (no actual proof whatsoever, just a promise) that you will have eternal life in heaven.
Go ahead and join a christian church and tell them that you will only put $10 into the basket every month and see what happens.
Being a part of any religion requires one to adhere to the code of conduct for that religion. If you find yourself not wanting to do what a particular religion asks of you, then obviously that religion is not for you.
But I find it absolutely asinine that certain people will find a religion, decide they don't like the rules and leave that religion, and then go on pissing and moaning about everything that they don't like about that religion.
Or do you actually think that you are performing some sort of public service here?
REALLY???
Actually in a way you are...
There are two kinds of people in this world, the ones who will listen to anybody and everybody and take other people's opinions as fact. And then there are the intelligent individuals of this world who are capable of thinking for themselves and don't give a damn what anybody else says.
The people that come to this forum and read what people are saying about TOV and CoS and decide to stay away from these two organizations as a result, are EXACTLY the kind of people who are not wanted in either orgination.
For that particular service, I thank you.
Initially, I just assumed it was a made-up phrase or a bit of bad Akkadian (like "Shurpu Kishpu," the name of the Temple's "Book of Dreaming," which means something like "burning sorcery" in Akkadian). But I did some online digging about the ToV and found some VERY interesting information.
I was just fooling around on the internet, searching for any info on "Hekal Tiamat," which is the ToV's Inner Temple, when I found a video on YouTube. The song "The Elder God (My Dragon Magic)" by Abigor mentions the phrase and brought it back to my attention. I then searched for the whole phrase on Google, and when that didn't yield any useful info, I searched for the individual words one by one. I came across an article in "The Anomalist" mentioning the word "bnU," and that's how I found out about "aUI."
"aUI" is a constructed language invented, or received, if you believe the story, by an Iowan psychiatrist named John W. Weilgart in the early 1960s. He claimed to have learned it from a small, elf-like green space man. It's actually a very interesting language because it's oligosynthetic, meaning that it uses very few morphemes. But I digress. The interesting thing is that the article in "The Anomalist"
http://www.anomalist.com/reports/language.html
defines three of the words in the phrase at the end of "The Vampire Bible": "bnU," which means "you," "kU," which means "god," and "A," which means "time." I think it's safe to say that the phrase at the end of "The Vampire Bible" is in the conlang aUI.
I can't find the meanings for "rEb" or "cAn," but there is a copy of the text Weilgart published at a library near me. I intend to check the dictionary for the meaning of these last two words.
I don't know if this phrase is ever defined in later Temple teachings, but I doubt they're telling people that it's in a conlang invented in the 60s. That sort of rules out the "ancient" origin of their religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUI_(language)
aUI phonemes are too abstract for me to make anything out of the individual phonemes in "can." It means something like "be-space-plural," but who knows what that could be in English. And the phonemes in "rEv" are equally mystifying.
"The Vampire Bible" is written entirely in Gothic script, so it's hard to tell c's from r's and v's from b's with all the extra serifs.
"cEv" is a verb, and "can," I'm pretty sure, is a plural noun.
#1. None of the Temple literature that I've read says that the "Undead Gods" actually fly around in UFOs. The "Undead Gods" are supposed to be able to change their shape at will as part of their "Vampiric powers," and I would assume that this shapeshifting is in some way connected to the sightings of UFOs. UFO abductions, according to "Revelations," are instances of "Undead Gods" forcibly transforming humans into "Vampires" through "Vampiric Metamorphosis." It's an easier, but more dangerous way around having to do "Vampiric Communion" forever.
#2. "Revelations" does say that Jesus, who is referred to as "Yeshua," was a "Vampire." When Yeshua went out into the desert, he wasn't being tempted by Satan, but was "Communing" with the "Undead Gods." "Revelations" also says John the Baptist was a "Vampire." It didn't matter when Salome asked for his head on a platter because he was an "Undead God" who could leave his body at will and possess another one.
#3. Temple jewelry is supposed to please the "Undead Gods," which makes them more disposed toward the practitioner and more disposed to dispense the "Rain of Mercy." The "Rain of Mercy" is the refined "Lifeforce" that the "Undead Gods" send back to the practitioners, and is the only thing that accomplishes "Vampiric Metamorphosis" in the ToV practitioner.
So another one is backing up what I said about a Vampire Jesus.
What is being said here is TRUE so the Church of Satan is currently supporting a religion that believes that Jesus Christ and John the Baptist and the stories in the Bible are R-E-A-L.
Yes, I also remember Nemo dropping hints about John the Baptist and Jesus on the ToV messageboard.
That is OUTRAGEOUS and that is what makes me bothered that this religion is supported by the Church of Satan.
Of course, as most here are learning, these ToV cult followers can not be reasoned with because they, like Christians, will explain away everything to support their delusions.
I am sure that if ToV book Revelations says that Jesus and John the Baptist are Vampires then like the little believers they are then they most likely believe this nonsense.
Listen, you can have your Vampire Jesus religion, just keep it out of the Church of Satan.
If not then what is the point in joining the Church of Satan if they are supporting everything Satanism is opposed to.
This whole ToV/CoS love affair is disgusting to me.
I am sure Anton LaVey would be happy about supporting a Vampire Jesus.... 😉
The ToV is making a mockery of the CoS--period.
This really burns me up and I hope Peter H. Gilmore does something about this Vampire Jesus religion soon!
Satanists should be outraged!
And, PLEASE, ToV followers don't start quoting Bible scripture next. LOL!
My jaw just dropped and hit the floor.
Could someone please help me pick it up and put it back on my face. 😜
All I have to say is Hail Satan![?] and WHAT THE F***!
I have to do it again... 😛
Hail Lord Xenu! Bwahahahaha!
If you don't trust such entities if they exist then WHy call on them in the first place?
"Hell Raiser is just a movie. You do know the difference between movies and reality, do you not?"
Umm...just so my small statement about Hell Raiser isn't taken out of context by someone else, I was making a light hearted joke about the subject.
So you're here on a message board discussing Temple matters to not discuss Temple matters? Do you always contradict yourself?
"The Vampire Bible" also goes on to mention that humans were taught to obey and not question the "Undead Gods," they were taught to sacrifice their lives and labors to the "Undead Gods," and they were always required to submit in thought, action, and feeling to the demands of the "Undead Gods" no matter what those demands entailed.
Now doesn't that sound exactly like the ToV to you?
I have no idea why Church of Satan members are participating in such un-satanic nonsense, but, like Private said, it needs to stop. The Temple of the Vampire is ridiculous, and so is their Bible. (I read somewhere that it might have been cribbed from the Aset Ka, another shadowy vampire organization based in Portugal. I actually find this hard to believe, but I haven't read the publicly available "Asetian Bible" so I don't know how much truth there is to the statement. There is also a rumour that a lot of the information the ToV uses comes from the "Book of Nod," one of the books used in "Vampire: The Masquerade," which is a role-playing game.)
And yet you are willing to give up your "Lifeforce" in exchange for an immortality that you have no more proof of than the Christian has. Aren't you sacrificing your life, money, and time to the ToV? You believe the ToV Teachings will grant you eternal life, even though you have no proof of said immortality, you give up your hard-earned money to the ToV, through fees for active membership, Bibles, jewelry, grade fees, etc., and you give up your time in order to practice the nonsense that the ToV preaches.
It sounds exactly the same to me, and it just reeks of hypocrisy, Private in Midwest.
As a Satanist I feel that Satan is a 'symbol' and do not call upon anthropomorphic undead gods that disguise themselves in UFO's.
Also, I guess that makes everyone abducted by an Alien a Vampire. _smirk_
After I thought everything though, this is why I ripped my vampire bibles to shreds and flushed them down the toilet (literally).
And, not trying to be an a-hole, I honestly wondered why the CoS was supporting this garbage. If it wasn't for the CoS's website I wouldn't have found this nonsense.
Also, before anyone from the CoS tries to single me out for my criticism of support for the ToV by the CoS, I am not the only one who has been bothered by this or has criticized their support of this organization.
There have been many others before me who have been vocal about this online, the Museum of Hoaxes is just the first place where opinions on this have not been censored.
So don't try and blame me and keep in mind I didn't create this Museum of Hoaxes site or this forum for the ToV. I came in late on the posts to voice my own concerns.
Go and blame Rupert! 😛
Just joking Rupert. 😊
If the CoS wants to place blame then place it on the ToV where it really belongs and not any of us.
P.s. Please send your UFO's to Rupert's house and not mine. Lol!
Quote >> Actually I have been a member of TOV for a while now. But I am not a spokesperson for them so I will not discuss Temple matters here. Posted by Private in Midwest on Tue Jun 23, 2009 at 06:56 PM
Well, it seems to me you are taking an active part in possibly the most damning online forum aimed at discrediting the Temple of the Vampire.
You are actually in flagrant violation of "temple law" and should be expelled from the organization immediately. Perhaps you will be the next ToV member "kicked to the curb" by Nemo.
RFLOL! 😊
Here is a neat book I found online:
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Jesus-Burton-Wolfe/dp/1934209554
http://mindopeningbooks.com/
"In contrast to past works that speculate with hundreds of literary references on the question of whether or not the "[Vampire]Jesus Christ" (Yeshua mashia/Joshua the messiah) of the New Testament actually existed, The Case Against [Vampire] 'Jesus' settles the issue as it would be tried in a court of law, with evidence proving that the "savior" and apostles of "Christianity" are entirely fictitious characters and that the purported events described in the scriptures are all inventions of ancient Hebrew scribes. No scholar, no theologian, no historian, has been able to challenge the evidence or refute the conclusions that are presented in this book because they are irrefutable. "
Maybe the ToV can refute this blasphemy! 😛
Just joking Rupert.
If the CoS wants to place blame then place it on the ToV where it really belongs and not any of us."
Please do, I'm a big fan of the scapegoat!
"P.s. Please send your UFO's to Rupert's house and not mine. Lol!"
I wouldnt mind a UFO or 2 at my house, I would even welcome a real Vampire if possible.
Here is my email: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
There is a post on page 32 that brings up a flaw in the vampire-cult bible, I was just wondering if that had any relevance to the flaw you discovered. Below is an excerpt of that post.
"I don't know if this phrase is ever defined in later Temple teachings, but I doubt they're telling people that it's in a conlang invented in the 60s. That sort of rules out the "ancient" origin of their religion."
http://www.vampiretemple.com/links.html
The books are in the "Past" section, that is if this is the "Reading List" everyone is referring to.
http://www.prankplace.com/costumes1.asp?id=chocula
BEHAVE EVERYONE! 😛
I am not saying a word.