Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
Comments
You mentioned that beoing successful is one of the requirements for Satanic Hierarchy.
Fair enough.
Except it took Daddy Nemo several tries to get it right didn't it?
First he joins the COS and then whines that he can't get into the preisthood.
So he leaves in a huff and joins the ARCH NEMESIS of the COS in the Temple of Set.
Now the Temple of Set has some odd beliefs themselves although that is material for another post.
Daddy Nemo does make it as an Adept there, but then doesn't make it into the preisthood THERE either lol.
When the Temple of Set thinks you are insane then you have problems. Just my opinion.
So then Daddy Nemo comes BACK to the COS and now is "magically" (pun intended) put into the hierarchy. Hmmm. Interesting.
All of the above is documented fact by the way.
And again I'm not going to buy "Fires From Within" and get Daddy NEMO's fucking opinion on it because I ALREADY know what he is going to say.
I would be curious to see what the current Hierarchy that actually SUPPORTS Nemo has to say. We all know the saying though don't we? "Money talks" lol.
And just so you know. My wife and I make into six-figures. I can afford any book I'd like. I have a nice, cushy office job which is why I can spend so much time talking to you.
So kindly answer the questions? Please?
BTW. Last time I looked at my copy of "the Satanic Bible" (hey whatta ya know z? I could actually AFFORD that one!) the Good Doktor had a WHOLE section devoted to psychic vampires. And you guys are "psychic vampires". Right?
Someone who drains lifeforece at whatever level is a vampire right? The same kind that LaVey hated right?
Dorkula
"That's why we are up in arms about it because it is exploitation. Pure and simple."
If the TOV is a scam and people COS member or not are stupid enough to buy into its bullshit then why would anyone want those types of morons affiliating in the first place? It is a self=correcting problem.
"Now if any Satanist can't see why the three above are COMPLETELY at odds with Anton LaVey's COS thoughts AS THEY WERE CODIFIED BY HIM then I guess I can't help you."
I don't think anyone has asked for your help. I didn't see a Satanist on here saying they needed some clarification about anything. YOU came onto this message board of bitcching and felt the all might need to clarify such issues because YOU have a far better grasp on Satanism than any other person...right?
"If that follws then it DOESN'T follow that you think undead gods are flying around in UFO's abducting vampires that aren't memebers of the TOV."
Why the fuck should I take what you say here and believe that is what they state? I mean I can go to the TOS and get some bullshit they will spew about LaVey but that don't make it true.
"By the way kiddies Daddy Nemo states that if you joing the TOV you won't get abducted lol."
Prive he stated this. You can't can you?
"Now you know DAMN WELL that ALL of the above claims come straight from TOV literature. I am not making this up or exaggerating at all."
No I don't..I am not a member of the TOV so how the fuck would I know? And even if they are I am a SATANIST not a TOV member so I really don't give two shits about it. Resign your membership from the COS if that's how you feel!
Dwell on that for a moment.
"Me too. But I alos want you to tell me how you fit the undead god shit into you view of Satanism Z."
Simple..I am a GOD in my own right and am not dead...I am an UNDEAD GOD. WOW that was so hard to think through!
Fair enough.
Except it took Daddy Nemo several tries to get it right didn't it?"
Prove that! I am guessing you'll draw information from the TOS which by the way would support anything against the COS of course.
"So he leaves in a huff and joins the ARCH NEMESIS of the COS in the Temple of Set."
Well I know Magister SVENGALI was once a member of the TOS too but that doesn't change the fact he's a member of the PRIESTHOOD in the COS now does it? Who gives a fuck what past affiliations were. I had a Christian backround before Satanism...should I not have been a SATANIST because of it?
"So then Daddy Nemo comes BACK to the COS and now is "magically" (pun intended) put into the hierarchy. Hmmm. Interesting."
Agsin, bsck this bullshit up!
"All of the above is documented fact by the way."
The supply your documented facts!
"And again I'm not going to buy "Fires From Within" and get Daddy NEMO's fucking opinion on it because I ALREADY know what he is going to say."
Riiight just like you assumed I was a TOV MEMBER right?! You're so all knowing ass was wrong about that...so who knows what else you are wrong about!
"I would be curious to see what the current Hierarchy that actually SUPPORTS Nemo has to say. We all know the saying though don't we? "Money talks" lol."
WOW! Another UNPROVEN claim! You're agenda is shown in how you feel about the COS now in my opinion. Magus Gilmore is a very good friend of Nemo's so you're claiming he accepts compesation from NEMO to support the TOV without any PROOF. Not to mention Magus Gilmore WAS HAND-PICKED by LaVey to run the COS.
And just so you know. My wife and I make into six-figures. I can afford any book I'd like. I have a nice, cushy office job which is why I can spend so much time talking to you.
haha suure...whatever you say..
So kindly answer the questions? Please?
"BTW. Last time I looked at my copy of "the Satanic Bible" (hey whatta ya know z? I could actually AFFORD that one!) the Good Doktor had a WHOLE section devoted to psychic vampires. And you guys are "psychic vampires". Right?
Someone who drains lifeforece at whatever level is a vampire right? The same kind that LaVey hated right?"
You MORON that chapter is devoted to identify people who want to use and manipulate you. If the COS is so weak as to be used and manipulated then why the fuck did you affiliate?
By the way the Book I was speaking about is the TOV Journal which offers the comparison of religions.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
I have to say that you ARE a REAL Satanist, Z, because you certainly fit #1 and #4 in the Checklist For Real Satanists in Nemo's essay How To Win Friends and Influence No One: A Satanist's Guide To Loosing Personal Power in his book The Fire From Within.
"Screaming that one is top dog [my brain is bigger than your brain] is a sure sign of insecurity as well of ignorance of actual Satanism."--Masterful Slaves by Magus Peter Gilmore in The Satanic Scriptures.
You know Z, if you take some deep breaths then it may help your anger issues.
I find it interesting that you can speak with authority on something you have had no experience with. I just think you like to argue to placate your narcissism because you have more important things to do.
Also, Satanism doesn't proselytize and Satanists are not as evangelical acting as the ToV which likes to place cards all over the town like Bible tracts.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1030/1030_01.asp
Carlos! He is my HERO! He can save us all from Undead Gods that appear in mirrors and in your bedroom when you call upon them just like the Dark Lord appeared to Michael Aquino.
P.s. I also loved how the Christian makes the Catholic look bad in this chick tract. Lol! I also loved the chick tract demon that came out of the possessed guy. NOOO! Lol!
A life lesson from Zeus that will fall on deaf ears anyway:
Anything in life will have ups and downs. Therefore when it comes to any part of the spectrum such as "spirituality" to personal choices of career or art, to manage through life in a more than just bearable way one should place focus and effort on your preferences and enjoyments that you wish to see grow and bear fruit, while leaving the undesirable elements of life to whither away be not paying attention to them (unless they pose an immediate or eventual threat to you). If you spend your lifetime putting focus on the undesirable things, the things that make you tick (which is what most people do, habitually, although they can live much happier lives if they stopped) you are throwing around your time and "energy" (effort) in different directions (areas which never affect you directly anyway), not as focused.
Therefore folks stop complaining. Live life (perferably off-screen) by find something you have a knack for, get good at it, get a girl, travel, gain valuable life experiences to pass on to your grandchildren.
By the way, I *am* a TOV member. I am *not* a COS member (don't care for Satanism, Lavey, and the rest--partly too much ridiculous politics, partly Satanism is no longer as forceful with more humanistic thought in the 21st century, partly Satanism as a self-label is so meaningless with the coming of the internet [thousand adjective] satanic scene, lastly I'm not too into the oh-so-spooky aesthetics and teenage angst phases associated with it).
I still have respect for those who call themselves Satanists in the COS sense. I recognize that they are just ordinary people who are using a system called "Satanism" to reach their goals in life, as I am just a person using another system of my preference.
Bwahahahahaha! Very true in regards to Zeus trying to silence debate.
However, I do have to agree with some of Zeus's advice in focusing more on the positive things in life than the negative which is out of one's control.
I agree with Zeus and think the Internet can be a type of vampire that sucks the life out of you if it turns into a compulsion.
I also find it interesting that most ToV members do not support the CoS yet the CoS supports the ToV? What is the CoS getting from supporting the ToV when the majority of ToV members see the CoS as 'inferior' or 'irrelevant' similar to Zeus's sentiments.
Not trying to attack Zeus; yet, I think Zeus doesn't quite understand Satanism or else he or she would realize that Satanism frowns upon the teenage angst or gloom and doom goth/emo attitude because Satanism celebrates LIFE rather than focusing on all things negative.
Saying that Satanists can only hate and be negative is like saying one can only drink coffee and not drink tea. Satanists are also capable of love, empathy and compassion too, towards those who 'deserve it'.
As far as the comment about 'spooky aesthetics' I don't think Zeus understands the diversity that exists in the CoS. Not all members feel a need to dress in Halloween attire 24/7 and there are even members of other ethnic origins in the CoS which excludes collectivist racist ideology from the CoS.
As for me, I have more of a conservative or so-called 'normal' appearance yet I do tend to enjoy the 'spooky' aesthetic because I am just wired that way.
In summary, Satanists are their own 'ethnic', in a sense, and different from humanists or atheists.
--I enjoy mind-readers, but they always miss the mark.
"I also find it interesting that most ToV members do not support the CoS yet the CoS supports the ToV? What is the CoS getting from supporting the ToV when the majority of ToV members see the CoS as 'inferior' or 'irrelevant' similar to Zeus's sentiments."
--I always speak for myself, not for an organization or membership. It's unreasonable to connect a few individual's perspectives to a generalization of the population. Your claim of the "majority" isn't even supported and really can't; it's anyone's guess.
"Not trying to attack Zeus; yet, I think Zeus doesn't quite understand Satanism or else he or she would realize that Satanism frowns upon the teenage angst or gloom and doom goth/emo attitude because Satanism celebrates LIFE rather than focusing on all things negative."
--It's a popular level to get stuck in for many of its followers. There are phases spoken of by LaVey on the developmental stages of a Satanist in 1976, and the majority never reach the mature phases. It's not so much a flaw in the system as it is in the way its followers percieve and use the system.
There are a few great folks in the COS, but the majority stink of the above type. Also, you would be much better off getting to personally know and showing your merits to the folks at the top and getting into the "in-group" without spending $200.
Correction.
Undercroft is freely accessed by anyone, not just paying CoS Satanists. If you do pay a membership fee, you are able to access additional applications within the site.
life - a person who is happily married, pleased with his job, and generally well-adjusted to the
world around him - to feed upon. The very fact that the psychic vampire chooses to victimize
a happy person shows that he is lacking all the things his victim has; he will do everything he
can to stir up trouble and disharmony between his victim and those people he holds dear'
What would a teenage psychic vampire choose? his parents? his best friend? his enemies? {plz note when i say he/his i also mean she/her}
...and you would know this because you end up recruiting this "majority" over to your organization...? I'm sure there is no shortage of "Twilight" eye-liner ridden wannabe's on your side of the fence either, Mr Zeus.
--They usually never make it past a month before dropping.
To all TOV Vampires, since I know Nemo has mentioned A Guide to Rational Living by Albert Ellis countless times on LTTD and in TOV literature and that he is against the concept of "self-esteem"- Aren't you, as a religion, guilty of "people rating"? Vampires refer to other people as "food" as well as viewing them as "naive," "inferior," etc. Vampires are portrayed as vastly superior. And yet, they seem to favor cognitive psychologists who would point out such concepts make people significantly more disturbable and possible even more likely to make mistakes.
Isn't this a contradiction?
"The ToV is the only path to immortality."
"Vampires created all religions to keep mankind spiritually ignorant."
"Vampires oversee the Illuminanti, Masons, Royal & Sovereign Order of the Dragon, Catholic Church & other powerful and secretive organizations."
"Vampires control the world."
"There is going to be a massive culling of humans in the near future. Loyal members of the ToV will rule the humans who survive the culling alongside the Undead Gods."
"Members of the ToV control powerful corporations."
"By following and practicing the teachings of the ToV and being loyal to the Undead Gods a member will come to have the ability to take on a new body after their present body dies."
"The ToV doesn't actually need the money it generates from selling memberships or goods, they just require it as a test of sincerity and loyalty."
I have to disagree with you here. The problem does not alone lie with LttD. Eliminating it will not change the fact that there are several members of the Council of Nine (the ruling body of the Church of Satan) that are also members of the ToV:
Magister Rex
Magister Lang
Magister Ventrue
Magister Nemo
Magistra Isabel (Nemo's wife)
Magister Phineas
The individuals above GOVERN the CoS. HP Gilmore does not do it alone. Let's not also forget the large number of Reverends and other active members involved. I do not know if HP Gilmore and Nadramia are members of the ToV, but it's obvious they are accepting and supporting. The ToV is a cash cow for the CoS. I was once told by an ex ToV Adept, that the ToV actually is the one running the CoS. Given The Church of Satan's past poor financial history, that doesn't sound too far-fetched. Someone mentioned the possibility of Nemo buying his way into the CoS - well there you go.
I always thought Magister Svengali was a brilliant man. His Essays In Satanism blew The Satanic Scriptures away in my opinion and was the best Satanic literature since Satan Speaks. I say that because although the Scriptures was nicely written, there was nothing in it Satanists already did not know. I don't think there was anything wrong with HP Gilmore's book - I just feel most of the material benefits the novices and educates the masses. Which is great but I've heard it all before and was excited to read something in the realm of advanced Satanism and Essays In Satanism provided a lot more fresh insightful information.
I have been as of late, disappointed with Svengali's racist antics on Myspace of all places. After reading a masterpiece such as Essays, it seems he should be above that. It's highly discouraging to see him go from Project Faust to senseless nigger bashing for a straight year and a half without producing a blog on Satanism. So you see, the CoS has more problems on it's hands other than the ToV.
I can see how abandoning LttD would be a wise thing to do - but only on principle. It's not going to change anything with ToV because too many people are involved not to mention all of the politics that would come up. There are other Satanic message boards out there that are run by non ToV Church of Satan members.
I know a lot of CoS members are voicing their concerns on this forum and I really don't want to offend anyone.
However I must say this:
Do you feel that what the CoS is doing is acceptable? Even if the ToV were dismantled, would it be forgivable that they robbed and deceived their own brethren? Can they be taken seriously?
From a fundamental standpoint...no. I question the original intention/motivation of moving into a "partnership" with such an entity, knowing that it's internal workings were those of contradiction to TSB. Could the restructuring of the financial interior of the CoS been gone about differently, I would say so. Has the ToV hog-tied HP Gilmore to the point in which he has to turn a blind-eye, that is a possibility in which I would consider. Maybe this is something that can be corrected?.?.? To seek help is acceptable.
"Even if the ToV were dismantled, would it be forgivable that they robbed and deceived their own brethren?"
The leadership should be cast-out, I would leave those Satanists who were deceived to seek their own resolutions. Forgivable....I don't even know what that means....this is/was/always will be, complete pre-meditation.
Can they be taken seriously?
Who is they?
I highly doubt that is the case.
>>Maybe this is something that can be corrected?.?.? To seek help is acceptable.<<
It definitely will be very complicated but it can be done. The question is however, is this what the Council wants? Probably not. If the ToV were dismantled from the CoS, the CoS would lose more than half of it's priesthood - not to mention a lot of money.
>>Who is they?>>
The Church of Satan. Can this organization be taken seriously after they duped their own members?
That's a good question but as of this moment, I'm not prepared to answer it.
Actually to make a statement on this question; I believe at this point the CoS is really two seperate unofficial entities, "who" makes up "what" percent, I really couldn't say. There is a certain percentage of the CoS that I can take seriously and a percentage that I scoff at.
What do you mean when you say two unofficial separate entities?
The original COS was actually DISBANDED when Anton LaVey filed for bankruptcy. That means that as a LEGAL organization the COS no longer exists.
Which I actually didn't know until yesterday.
So this means that the TOV is now the REAL governing board behind the COS, because WITHOUT the TOV the COS would be completely irrelevant!
NOW this stuff is starting to make sense. Along comes Nemo with his money AND HIS LEGAL CHURCH to offer something to Dr. LaVey. This also explains some of the timing of Nemo's "Magistership" that I always found odd.
What this means is that there really are not TWO separate organizations anymore, and also exaplains why most of the "Council of 9" are also TOV members.
So now Nemo really CAN pretend to be LaVey-like!
Now it makes sense.
Dorkula
You can't provide any solid documentation as to who is on the Council of Nine. It isn't revealed to anyone.
So just where did you get this supposed information?
You can't provide any solid documentation as to who is on the Council of Nine. It isn't revealed to anyone.
So just where did you get this supposed information?"
You sound a bit upset at the information provided, I for one understand if you have taken "The Green Fairy's" words to Heart. Being Upset (in some way,shape,or form) is usually the result when one finds out they have been "duped". I would have to ask though, try not to vent your anger here as we are only providing information, ever heard the phrase "don't shoot the messenger"?
If you want to take a strangers words "to heart" then feel free. I have learned that the internet isn't the most valid source of information- especially when it comes to people on the internet.
So excuse me for asking a question. You don't seem to happy that I am asking a question. Not to mention a question not even directed towards you. Ever hear of good manners? Obviously not.
Isn't this a contradiction?"
Actually, it isn't a contradiction.
Judging someone isn't exactly judging yourself.
For the sake of argument-if a lion eats the antelope it eats it because it must survive. The concept of "dominance" has a whole new meaning then. As far as the "superior" mindset. I think that there are some far more superior and capable than others in specific things. While one may be superior to me in say science I may be superior than another in math. So seeing yourself as superior is not so much as "measuring up" as it is understanding your own abilities.
Maybe I took this out of context (the first sentence of your first post) but your words seemed a bit hostile. I wasn't really sure who your post was directed to considering there were a couple of Us taking part in the conversation. As you might see even in your latest post, many here choose to involve themselves in posts that may or may not be directed soley at them, it's quite alright. Nevertheless, welcome to the conversation.
You are wrong about this. I do not feel any need to justify myself to anyone, especially to a bunch of anonymous internet posters. My reasons for posting my thoughts was to give a different perspective instead of being trapped into a narrow minded point of view.
"I have watched his/her evolution over the years and have come to the conclusion that Unknown is following the path that LttD has carved for him/her self."
You don't know me so don't sit behind your computer monitor and pretend you do. My decision to join the ToV as well as the CoS was mine and mine alone. I wouldn't make the idiotic assumption that LttD is an accurate way to judge the Church of Satan. An excellent essay written by Magus Gilmore that should be read is "The Myth of the Satanic Community and Other Virtual Delusions." I will state that I have enjoyed what limited interaction I have had with a few Satanists over the internet but for you to state that the internet laid out my reasons for affiliation is as I have stated inaccurate.
"Unknown is a prime example of the ToV recruiting process that exists on LttD, thank you Unknown for your contribution here."
I actually discovered the ToV outside of LttD. I found them on the sources page on the official Church of Satan website.
"Anyone here even read bibles from boths sides?"
Please read the first 29 pages. You will find your answer there.
@ Arcx:
Your science/math argument doesn't hold. According to ToV, vampires are superior. Period. And the whole "understanding your own abilities" part translates into "believing the abilities others tell you, you have".
Anything coming out of those instructions are flukes. Accidental triggering of latent abilities. Whoever wrote those rituals and exercises know only the form, but not the reason. Sloppy routines cobbled together from other peoples rituals.
I'm also a bit curious about one particular detail. If the vampire lives on after death as an astral entity, why do they need the deep freeze of the leftovers? Why preserve the body if the last tenant got a spiffy, new, "indestructible" astral body? Anchoring? Decor? Kebab?
And noone have yet deigned to answer any of those questions asked. Instead hostility is on the rise. Does this discussion displease out masters that much?
Your science/math argument doesn't hold. According to ToV, vampires are superior. Period. And the whole "understanding your own abilities" part translates into "believing the abilities others tell you, you have"."
Well I suppose it would come down to what we would agree on what is superior then. If vampires do exist then in what ways would they be superior? Would you consider immortality inadequate or superior to death? I consider animals better than people but that doesn't stop me from eating a good steak. It appears to be a contradiction but I think the middle ground is this: everything is based upon the food chain. The lower you are the more you will bow down to the greater predator. I see no contradiction personally.
By the way I would argue that understanding your abilities doesn't fully rely on what someone else tells you. It more so relies on what you can do more than anything. If someone told me I was a great at math but I didn't know the first thing about it then my actions speak louder than words.
Thank you for the response Sand.
I suppose it would be better to confess now that I am not a member of the ToV nor even the CoS. I am just here to see what regions can be explored in this discussion.
"The ToV is the only path to immortality."
"Vampires created all religions to keep mankind spiritually ignorant."
"Vampires oversee the Illuminanti, Masons, Royal & Sovereign Order of the Dragon, Catholic Church & other powerful and secretive organizations."
"Vampires control the world."
"There is going to be a massive culling of humans in the near future. Loyal members of the ToV will rule the humans who survive the culling alongside the Undead Gods."
"Members of the ToV control powerful corporations."
"By following and practicing the teachings of the ToV and being loyal to the Undead Gods a member will come to have the ability to take on a new body after their present body dies."
"The ToV doesn't actually need the money it generates from selling memberships or goods, they just require it as a test of sincerity and loyalty."
**Count Dorkula, I hope you don't mind but I'm reposting your questions in hopes that somebody might answer them.
#1 Why do the undead gods fly around in UFO's?
#2 You guys say that Jesus was a vampire? How so?
#3 Why do I have to buy temple jewlery for the undead gods to be pleased?
For example:
"The ToV is the only path to immortality."
Wouldn't it be better to ask, why does the ToV claim to be the only path to immortality?
"Vampires created all religions to keep mankind spiritually ignorant."
That one actually answers itself. Have you ever seen any religion created to keep mankind spiritually intelligent?
Anyways I just think rewording your post into questions would be better than just posting the ToV claims.
Just a thought.
DORKULA
Shit man, where in the fuck does this motherfucker get that shit from? That's total bullshit man. Why do you fabricate lies out of your bullshit mind motherfucker? Fuck. What an asshole , you lying shithead. Shit.
I don't post conspiracy theories. I only post the facts as I have personally witnessed them or by what was told to me from those who are in the know.
I have had personal conversations with Magister Rex and he revealed to me that he was part of the Council. He was raised within the Church of Satan, his parents are long time members. As for the other Magisters mentioned, my source comes from a member of the priesthood I was involved with.
You don't have to believe anything I say - no one does. Frankly I don't care. I'm just spreading awareness as to what I believe is really going on with both organizations. All of the information I've given throughout this blog is what I learned by either witnessing myself or what was told to me by credible sources - Hierarchy or CoS/ToV members.
*Also of note: there is still a lot of information floating around the web going back to around 1994 when Hierarchy would constantly involve themselves in petty Alt.satanism wars with the Temple of Set. So much is revealed.
Take from my information anything you wish or simply discard it. Totally up to you.
I don't make stuff up. The court decision dissolving the COS was made in August-October, 1991 by Superior Court Judge Ollie-Marie Victoire.
See case #891863 Superior Court of State of California and city of San Franscisco.
Make sure you read all amended complaints.
Here's a snippet: "A receiver will be appointed by the court, at defendant's expense, to prepare an accounting and inventory of all partnership assets, and upon completion of such accounting a dissolution of the partnetship will occur and all partnership assets will be divided 50-50 between the parties".
The partnership was the COS.
Dorkula
Now I can buy the fact that Magister Rex is a member of the Council of Nine. I did some research on the CoS last night and learned his position within is right blow that of the High Priests. So I suppose we can conclude he's a member of the Council. But anything beyond that is an assumption. I mean I don't know why these members of the Priesthood from within would betray the CoS and reveal such information if it existed. That doesn't make sense to me I guess.
But then if by "involved" you mean you were having intimate relations with then maybe you have something valid...but to take your word upon that is even a stretch.
As it was said earlier:
"Take from my information anything you wish or simply discard it. Totally up to you."
If I was to try and discredit anything on this board it wouldn't be the information about the "Council of Nine", I think there are a few more bits of information floating about here that are worthy of scrutiny other than that.
Magister is the highest rank below Magus, however not all Magisters are on the Council. The ones that I named were appointed by either Anton LaVey himself or Blanche Barton - they have been around that long. I would never make assumptions about who's on the Council. The information I provided was told to me by a member of the priesthood and yes I was in a relationship with him. Again, you don't know me so I don't expect you to take my word for it - just take in everything I have said, as well as many other individuals advice, experiences or opinions on here with an open mind and observe for yourself.
>> I mean I don't know why these members of the Priesthood from within would betray the CoS and reveal such information if it existed. That doesn't make sense to me I guess.<<
None of the individuals who told me this information had any intent on betraying the Church of Satan. It was just conversation.
Well I've read somewhere on here that Anton LaVey never knew about the ToV then I've read he did. Now we have the claim that the CoS isn't even a legit religion anymore. This forum is confusing because no one can seem to agree on any one particular piece of information.
"I would never make assumptions about who's on the Council. The information I provided was told to me by a member of the priesthood and yes I was in a relationship with him. Again, you don't know me so I don't expect you to take my word for it - just take in everything I have said, as well as many other individuals advice, experiences or opinions on here with an open mind and observe for yourself."
Well here's what I think. Not every member of the CoS is aware of another member. Membership is kept secret unless you come out into the open with it. This is all explained on their affiliations page regarding membership info. So it is possible Green Fairy is either A.) Lying. Perhaps an agenda against the Temple as well as the Church. B.) Green Fairy is speaking half truths and mixing lies within it to sound convincing. C. This alleged member of the Priesthood she was having intimate relations with lies to.
I mean if the Council of Nine is supposed to be kept secret from outsiders, especially non-members of the inner circle then why would Magister Rex or whatever tell you? I just can't imagine him having a casual conversation with an outsider about the inner workings. I mean why would he?
"Vampires oversee the Illuminanti, Masons, Royal & Sovereign Order of the Dragon, Catholic Church & other powerful and secretive organizations."
"Vampires control the world."
"There is going to be a massive culling of humans in the near future. Loyal members of the ToV will rule the humans who survive the culling alongside the Undead Gods." <<
Perhaps I can offer some assistance. The ToV cult's philosophy is 90% Ancient Astronaut Theory mixed in with hokey new-age pseudo-science. Read "The Twelfth Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin. This book was written in the 70's and he attributes human origins to the Annunaki. The ToV ripped off his ideas so blatantly it's shameful. They just replace aliens with "vampires." The story is identical however. Everything you read in Sitchin's books is what the Temple uses to support it's claims.
"Chariot of the Gods" by Erich Von Daniken is recommended reading on the ToV website to prepare you for the Nightside teachings. Out of all Ancient Astronaut theorists, Von Daniken is one of the worst of the lot. He's right up there with Lloyd Pye and David Icke.
Also, look closely at the winged skull on all five Temple bibles - they morph from human to alien.
Starting with the Vampire Bible, the skull is human. The skull's face tapers into a more elongated shape by the second bible and at the Adept Bible, it's a full blown alien. This is the symbol for the transformation into Undead God.
For those who are unfamiliar with Sitchin and Ancient Astronaut Theory, here are some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts
This is a good site on this topic and is based around Sitchin's theories. Funny coincidence that the owner of this site's name is Jason Martell. Any relation to Lucas Martell? ❓
http://xfacts.com/
>>"Members of the ToV control powerful corporations." <<
They wish they did.
Of course he knew about it. How could he not? Nemo left the Temple of Set in 1988 (one year before forming the ToV).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.satanism/browse_thread/thread/b306cd62c5d5b834/d0518c30eb950d8b
LaVey granted Nemo with the rank of Priest in the early 90's - possibly around 1991. I highly doubt LaVey was ignorant about the ToV.
The question remains however- did Anton LaVey 'approve' of the ToV? This remains unknown. It's really hard to say because on one hand, why would he grant Nemo with the rank of Priest if he did not approve of his ToV?
On the other hand, the ToV and the Church of Satan remained separate entities until LaVey's passing. Once upon a time, one was able to speak freely and even negatively about the Temple on LttD. Very few people even knew about the ToV. It wasn't until a couple years after LaVey's death that the two organizations became so intertwined and people were forbidden to talk about the elephant in the room.
>>So it is possible Green Fairy is either A.) Lying. Perhaps an agenda against the Temple as well as the Church. B.) Green Fairy is speaking half truths and mixing lies within it to sound convincing. C. This alleged member of the Priesthood she was having intimate relations with lies to.<<
You're wrong about A, B and C. But you are free to think what you wish.
>>I mean if the Council of Nine is supposed to be kept secret from outsiders, especially non-members of the inner circle then why would Magister Rex or whatever tell you? I just can't imagine him having a casual conversation with an outsider about the inner workings. I mean why would he?<<
Magister Rex did not tell me the inner workings of the CoS. He was only speaking for himself. He only told me that he was raised within the CoS and that his parents were long time members and close friends of LaVey. He mentioned in passing that he was on the Council for many years. He did not mention anything about the other Magisters. I got that info from a member of the priesthood I was involved with.
You have so much faith that these people do not talk. It happens. Many times.