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"No creed must be accepted upon authority of a "divine" nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted-no standard of measurement deified. Therre is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!"

Sound familiar.

"No creed must be accepted upon authority of a "divine" nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted-no standard of measurement deified. Therre is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!"

"Sound familiar."

From what I read on the official Temple of the Vampire website, it does not ask nor require its members to believe in anything. From the official website of the Temple of the Vampire:

"Test Everything - Believe Nothing."

"This is how thousands of others have discovered that our claims are true."

"We will never ask you to simply believe anything we tell you."

"You only need to apply yourself to what we suggest and you can prove to yourself the facts of the matter."

"The Temple is not based on faith, but on facts.
You can test these facts for yourself."

"We want you to."

"As others have."

So from I have read this does not detract from the Satanic element of doubt which leads to knowledge. Obviously there will be people who join the Temple and decide it is not for them. But that's with ANY religion. Ex-members of the CoS say LaVey was full of shit...but that doesn't stop anyone from seeing their own Satanic Nature in The Satanic Bible now does it? So the Temple asks the INDIVIDUAL to test their claims and if that INDIVIDUAL discovers that the claims are real then who gives a crap if someone else doesn't?

So, I ask the Satanic reader, how would you feel if the CoS supported a RHP-like religion? And if Peter Gilmore said Wiccans were Satanists would you act like sheep and go along with it and not question and think for yourselves?

"The CoS DOESN'T support ANY RHP-Like religions so your point is moot. Just because someone doesn't agree with your point does't make them a sheep."

I would also like to say, in general, that I find that drawing attention to my misunderstandings is fine yet I find it immature for one Satanist to say to another that they are not a Satanist.

"I find that judging someone is completley SATANIC. I am not about to deprive myself of a good laugh at a moron on this board..'satanist' or not!"

All Satanists are on different levels and Satanists should take care to remember Magus Gilmore's new 'House Rule'.

"Just because someone points out the errors and fallacies of another individual does not automatically make them an 'asshole'. I find it funny that everyone here talks of stratification yet when it hits them in the face they whine like a bunch of victims!"

Just because you are a Satanist doesn't mean you have to be a know-it-all asshole like auto-contrary Devil worshipers and 'perfect' like a Christian tries to act or project onto others.

"Just because a Satanist bitch-slaps someone with the facts doesn't mean they are 'know-it-all-assholes' as you say!"


I, like Rupert, admit that maybe I could be off on something and I have never tried to make up lies or be dishonest with my ideas.

"Gee..ya think you might not know a damn thing!?"

For the most part, I honestly feel the Temple is a scam that should be marketed to non-Satanists yet NOT members of the CoS.

"Your opinions are unimportant because you don't have any say in the matter, do you?"

Also (even has others in this forum have said), I have had to use this forum to voice my opinions because LTTD (CoS unofficial message board) will not allow discussion of this matter.

You obviously do not like the way the CoS is operating under Magus Gilmore's leadership so you obviously aren't in agreement with it."

If I had my own board I would allow healthy debate on this matter and let 'stratification' decide whether CoS members feel this cult should be inwardly promoted by the CoS.

"Well you don't have your own message board now do you? Even if you did it wouldn't last half as long as LttD because it would quickly turn into a bitch fest and pity party. Anyone you attract would most certainly NOT be of quality. I bet you're one of those whinning bastards who doesn't wanna pay for services on LttD!"

Finally, I have said all I can say about this organization unless something else comes up for me to say.

"You'll bitch some more..it's in your bitching nature to."

Umm, Z. Quotation marks are supposed to go on the quotes, dude.

Quotation Marks, such a basic part of written communication. "Sycophantic Wannabeism"!

Z (aka Puff Daddy), did you actually say something and do I sound like my feelings are hurt?

I don't feel bad about myself. I feel good that I am on a level above your schoolyard juvenile replies.

Now, don't you have more important things to do, like try and get brownie points on LTTD for attacking other member's intelligence and calling them names?

You accuse me of bitching yet you seem to not be able to let go of your bitching and mudslinging on here about our objections in a respectful and civil manner like a gentleman?

I am deeply offended by irresponsible, obfuscating mental masturbation. If this were the kind of thing going on in the Church of Satan in 1976, I never would've joined. It's distasteful and juvenile - like a toddler who's just discovered he has a wee-wee and wants to play with it all the time. It doesn't reflect a finely-honed mind as some might think; on the contrary, it indicates someone who is intellectually insecure - the equivalent of the schoolyard bully who has to pick on other kids to show how tough he is, an intellectual bully who intimidates and goads those who might be a bit insecure themselves.--SYCOPHANTS UNITE! by Blanche Barton

Does this sound like you Puff Daddy?

And your hypocrisy (hypocritical self-deceit) amuses me because you claim to be responding with just facts yet you call others on here names and attack their intelligence? What kind of logic is that?

Lastly, what is your CoS Cabal name so all can know who this fine and superior Satanist is on here?

I want to know your name so I can attach a name to your intellectual superiority and bask in its glorious light.

Maybe I could call you Puff Daddy for now until you tell us your real CoS Cabal name?

Ohh, and please do not whine that I attacked you because you threw the first stone by disrespecting others and calling them names.

Now scat! 😉

Obviously I did this just to see what assholes would make an ordeal over something COMPLETELY irrelevant to my point. Guess what RETARD just did this?

Nice "contribution" morons. What's next, apostrophe lessons?

"All of the above are subject to bitch-fights, petty jealousies, and rivalries. They are safe havens for small-minded people trying to play head games, preferring the protection of groups rather than really working to apply what Anton LaVey wrote."

Set aside your retarded bitching about the Temple. It is pointless and does not offer ANYTHING of value. My posts here as with anyone elses is IRRELEVANT to the inner workings of the Church of Satan. All 26 pages of this bitching and moaning are doing nothing.

So make sure you actually READ the whole essay and not just the parts you want to hear RETARD.

"Many brashly depend on exposure in The Black Flame to generate a mailing list, won't commit themselves as Church of Satan members, but challenge our policies in the innocent guise of stimulating debate." Blanche Barton

SATANIC BROTHERHOOD? by Magister Rose
"Associated with this is the recurring idea that we Satanists should all be one big happy family, that we should all be friends with one another. Well, I

Maybe you retards would reveal your names or whatever over the internet but I won't be doing that anytime soon.

I'm out.

This forums is ass-backwards.

By the way, to clear any confusion, I am NOT Zeus who made some insightful posts on here earlier.

Have fun with the rest of your retarded bitching assholes!

"And your hypocrisy (hypocritical self-deceit) amuses me because you claim to be responding with just facts yet you call others on here names and attack their intelligence? What kind of logic is that?"

You are a RETARD, that is a fact. It is logical to call a thing what it is.

I am actually having fun, I think I will stick around..

I'm out.

Goodbye. 😊

At least Zippy learned something new today.

This is getting good lol.

If one is secure in one's thinking then one doesn't get upset over disagreements.

The fact that some are getting upset just goes to show you...

This is one of the things that has ALWAYS bothered me about being a Satanist: The angry kid mentality.

It isn't as bad at the COS as it is in the "thestic" scene but it is still here.

If you can't actually make a point and attack the message just attack the messenger via ad-homenim.

You TOV supporters sound like a bunch of teens getting pissed at your parents.

Now for all of you who support the TOV PLEASE ANSWER THIS FUCKING QUESTION:

Do you, or do you not, "believe" that Jesus was a Vampire and that the "undead gods" perform alien abductions?

BOTH of those points are taught to be true in TOV literature.

So how do you "believe" that yet call yourselves Satanists too?

Did you ever see Dr. LaVey or Magus Gilmore make claims like that?

For the love of Satan can you morons THINK for yourselves?

You guys/gals (TOV) REALLY DO resemble Christians you know that? All you did was fucking change the names. Satanism is supposed to FREE you from this shit.

Now kindly answer my questions. What is the deal with Jesus and UFO's?

How exactly does one "test" those claims?

Dorkula

right im satanist, im also only 15, ive been reading the comments and i have no clue why your arguing about COS and the TOV. they are both very fine beliefs and im with then both. before you start with the kiddy jokes and the "its a teenage phase" sh!t, im positive if i return to this 128 years from now i shall still be individual/satanist/vampire. ive also read that people havnt fully understood what we are arguing about (niether have i for that please fill me in)
but im stood here deffending the rights to believe what we want, if we want to be different let us be.

your unholy saint,

Lestat Desangre

right im satanist, im also only 15, ive been reading the comments and i have no clue why your arguing about COS and the TOV. they are both very fine beliefs and im with then both.

I think you will find your answer if you objectively
read the previous postings without prejudice.

And I think Rupert answered your question when he or she said, "Perhaps "Private" has an agenda that includes exposing inconsistencies and/or falsehoods."

I am not angry at anyone (even here) except for the 'embarrassment' that the ToV and Nemo has brought upon the CoS with his Undead God cult. Yes, prior to this forum there has been much controversy and debate among CoS members about this money making cult.

I just hope, in the future, this cult will face its own Final Harvest (aka Armageddon using Christian slang) with the CoS.

Second, I think you are using the word 'beliefs' to mean ideas and the Satanic philosophy; yet, for clarification to non-members, there is no 'blind faith' or belief in the 'spiritual' in Satanism because Satanism is a carnal religion.

I also think Dorkula has helped bring us back on topic with his/her excellent question about Undead Gods and Vampire Jesus.

And Vampire Jesus is mentioned in Temple literature in the book Revelations
The Companion Commentary to The Vampire Bible .

Also, at the end of the Vampire Bible it even makes a reference to one of the seven seals as mentioned in the book of Revelation in the Bible.

After I ordered the Vampire Bible, having a Christian background, I noticed the strong parallels to Christianity and the same Christian mind control tactics used to keep the ToV sheep giving their tithes unto their Lord so they can obtain immortality in Heaven (speaking in metaphor here).

I think most who think I am full of BS and join the ToV may soon discover this (if they question the ToV) on their own and then come back with an understanding of where I was coming from.

And, speaking to all non-ToV members who support the ToV, if you never were a member of the ToV and have not owned or read their literature then can you honestly defend something you have no knowledge about or experience with? Is that not just blind faith that the ToV is OK because the CoS says so?

So call me any names you want yet I still think the ToV is a hoax and not Satanic from personal experience.

And that was an excellent point made Wolfman made in his or her previous quote that said, "Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted-no standard of measurement deified."

I agree 100%!

To the whiners about ToV criticism, since when did it become inappropriate or politically incorrect to question or criticize ANY religion?

I guess when someone or some group criticizes a celebrity or objects to some popular trend then it becomes a sin against the consumerist herd?

Hmmm...

I don't think that Magister "Vampire Adept" Nemo was ever really able to give up his Theistic feelings. He originally left the CoS and became a Setian then came back to the CoS. Who does that, you don't just do that, that is a complete 180 degree switch on you belief systems. Truthfully, from reading alot of MVA Nemo's posts over the years, I have sensed his inability to come to terms with whether or not he really wants to give up hope on the afterlife. Aliens....Vampire Jesus....who cares about any of them, and furthermore, if we came to find out that somebody named Jesus was secretly a Satanist, who fucking cares, he didn't do shit for me anyway! Sorry about the profanity but Jesus and profanity are like bread and butter to me. To the underage Lestat Desangre, my advice to you is that you should spend the rest of your adolescence reading literature and solidifying your place in life, this is the big leagues. As much as I question MVA Nemo and his motivations I still have respect for his level of intellect, ToV or not the guy has skill.

"Now for all of you who support the TOV PLEASE ANSWER THIS FUCKING QUESTION:

Do you, or do you not, "believe" that Jesus was a Vampire and that the "undead gods" perform alien abductions?"

Sorry, I don't think that I stated my agreement to this statement clear enough, yes I too would like to hear an answer to this question.

Shall do, but I support both groups they should do as they like and understand some people will argue about it.

No I don't believe Jesus was a vampire nor the other sh!t

i dont believe jesus was a vampire, nor the other crap. but i do believe that been a vampire doesnt mean been immortal or sucking blood, or having super powers ect.

has anyone even thought that if the only catch to join the TOV is to buy there book. well get it super cheap of ebay.

has anyone even thought that if the only catch to join the TOV is to buy there book. well get it super cheap of ebay.

At one time in the past, when there was more public access to their forums, there was a posting that stated if you got the VB anywhere else other than the Temple then you would be cursed by the undead gods.

The posting claimed that you could redeem yourself from the curse of the Temple if you bought the book through their website. 😉

I am not sure if this is what they still tell the general public or not?

"No creed must be accepted upon authority of a "divine" nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted-no standard of measurement deified. Therre is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!"

"Sound familiar."

From what I read on the official Temple of the Vampire website, it does not ask nor require its members to believe in anything. From the official website of the Temple of the Vampire:

"Test Everything - Believe Nothing."

"This is how thousands of others have discovered that our claims are true."

"We will never ask you to simply believe anything we tell you."

"You only need to apply yourself to what we suggest and you can prove to yourself the facts of the matter."

"The Temple is not based on faith, but on facts.
You can test these facts for yourself."

"We want you to."

"As others have."

So from I have read this does not detract from the Satanic element of doubt which leads to knowledge. Obviously there will be people who join the Temple and decide it is not for them. But that's with ANY religion. Ex-members of the CoS say LaVey was full of shit...but that doesn't stop anyone from seeing their own Satanic Nature in The Satanic Bible now does it? So the Temple asks the INDIVIDUAL to test their claims and if that INDIVIDUAL discovers that the claims are real then who gives a crap if someone else doesn't?

"Do you, or do you not, "believe" that Jesus was a Vampire and that the "undead gods" perform alien abductions?"

Why does it matter what anyone believes?

"BOTH of those points are taught to be true in TOV literature."

So what?

I mean I don't understand why there are over 20 pages of people getting worked up over something that has no harm in the greater scheme of ones life?

Me, I'll kick back...have a beer...and say fuck what everyone else does/believes. If it doesn't effect me then why should I give a rats-ass?

Something a member of the CoS wrote that makes a helluva lot more sense to me is posted on LTTD.
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=20596#Post20596

I think what he is saying is make your own experience with satanism your and yours alone and don't get all bent out of shape over something that you don't have to.

If something is bothering you then what is the best way you can change it? I guess that's just how I see it..a pretty rational approach.

Count Dorkula said-You guys/gals (TOV) REALLY DO resemble Christians you know that? All you did was fucking change the names. Satanism is supposed to FREE you from this shit.

Umm actually..Satanism isn't about freeing anyone from anything...if you're already s satanist then it just makes sense..being set free from something sounds to much like the christian concept of bondage.

The "satanic" undercroft is flying this Temple of the Vampire banner:



Also, here is a Nemo quote from the vampire boards regarding the CoS and ToV connection:

"I simply laugh at the nonsense I read from time to time where "Satanists" simply do not get it. I did not become a Magister personally appointed by Doctor LaVay in 1996 because I was undercutting his vision by promoting the Temple of the Vampire. It takes a certain peculiar degree of stupidity to believe that the Doktor did not endorse what he held to be in line with his own vision."

Yeah.. anyone who doesn't agree with Nemo is stupid 😛 Just ask Anton LaVey. What a joke!

Guys..just so you know..I have been spreading false propaganda aboiut the Temple of the Vampire because they kicked me out years ago for smoking weed.

"Guys..just so you know..I have been spreading false propaganda aboiut the Temple of the Vampire because they kicked me out years ago for smoking weed."

Stooping to such lows as perpetrating others' identities doesn't surprise me.

Mr. Sand, perhaps when you conclude your meeting with Mephistopheles and return from Wittenberg you might chime in here!

A few more points.

We don't have any way of "testing" Nemo's claim that Anton was ok with the TOV. Seeing as how the Good Doktor is dead.

He may very well have made Nemo a Magister because of OTHER reasons having nothing to do with the TOV

or

Nemo didn't tell him what the TOV was REALLY about

or

He and Anton laughed to the bank about the TOV

Point is, we can't tell. As far as I know Anton LaVey never mentioned the TOV one way or another and we don't have any outside confirmation.

Talk about riding the coattails of the COS...

As was mentioned earlier as well Nemo probably just bought his way into the COS anyway. Again we have no way of knowing.

And just so the people who may/may not be familiar with this thread might ask "why do you even care"?

My general stance is the TOV can do whatever they want just as soon as they quit associating with the COS.

If they want to stand alone so be it.

My specific stance is how can anyone who is a Satanist FALL for that esoteric mish-mash of BS they spew. but that is just me. I'd settle for the TOV to quit spamming banners all over LTTD.
But really, I'm dying for a Satanic Vampire to fill me in on how they fit both belief systems (or thought systems) together.

I've asked that question repeatedly and either get an ad-homenim attack or someone talking around the answer which means they can't actually ANSWER it.

But again that is only my own personal vendetta. I'd just be happy for them to go suck some OTHER psychic energy lol. Leave the COS in peace!

Dorkula

I am Private and the following was not posted by me:

"Guys..just so you know..I have been spreading false propaganda aboiut the Temple of the Vampire because they kicked me out years ago for smoking weed."

I do not use drugs because they are 'illegal' and for health reasons and did not make this post.

Your fake post speaks volumes about you.

Just curious, has anyone thought about resigning their CoS membership because of all of this?

Maybe instead of resigning from the CoS, how about abandoning LttD, that is where the real problem lies. Perhaps at some point a CoS endorsed community will arise, one that is not controlled by ToV officials as LttD is. My suggestion is to all CoS Members that share our views to either cancel their subscriptions to LttD or to not join entirely.

Mephistopheles and I are at odds at the moment and Wittenberg is too sunny at this time of year. Besides, I don't have a benevolent writer providing a happy ending, so I keep such dealings to a bare minimum.

It is nice to see ToV members drop by and prove a point I made earlier, by the way.

But seriously, Mr. Rupert. Summoning me while I enjoy a gentle buzz of wormwood and alcohol is nigh fruitless conversationwise, as is trying to hold an advanced conversation with those dimwits earlier.

It's been a while since I committed any time to this subject. In the end I found a flaw in their bible, that would make the toppling of the temple a kind gesture. So it has been pointless for me to pursue this matter further. Poetic justice.

But the discussion is starting to circle and gets bogged down by trolls. The good questions asked by Mr. Private remains unanswered. What else can be gained here?

And seeing your latest post after refreshing the page...

That is probably the best thing to do. LttD is after all run by a ToV member. Start a new board. If you want things done your way, do it yourself. I would expect an improvement.

Just so I don't get lost what's COS, TOV and LTTD? I think I know but better safe than sorry :cheese:

Just so I don't get lost what's COS, TOV and LTTD? I think I know but better safe than sorry

These are just abbreviations or acronyms:

CoS = Church of Satan

ToV= Temple of the Vampire

LTTD = Letters To The Devil which is the 'unofficial' Satanic message board for the Church of Satan.

There has also been the creation of a new Satanic social networking site called the Undercroft (you have to pay to access ran by ToV member Ventrue) for CoS Satanists.

VPB = Vampire Bible

ToS = Temple of Set

"He may very well have made Nemo a Magister because of OTHER reasons having nothing to do with the TOV"

Well this is a "no shit" moment because rank within the CoS has to do with your success in the REAL WORLD. So obviously it was for other reasons.

or

"Nemo didn't tell him what the TOV was REALLY about"

Ah because Anton LaVey was so idiotic that he would just take whatever Nemo said and believed him..or what are you trying to say here? That Anton LaVey was stupid enough to be duped by Nemo?

or

"He and Anton laughed to the bank about the TOV"

So with that mindset you're not a Satanist then or you liked what Anton LaVey said in The Satanic Bible but just didn't have the money to join the CoS so you got pissy about it?

"Point is, we can't tell. As far as I know Anton LaVey never mentioned the TOV one way or another and we don't have any outside confirmation."

THAT is a valid point. Only the CoS Administration would know...the people LaVey left in charge and THEY apparently don't have any issues with it.

"Talk about riding the coattails of the COS..."

Well the membership in the ToV isn't revealed to the public but I do know from asking questions that the ToV membership is mostly filled with people who aren't even members of the CoS.

"As was mentioned earlier as well Nemo probably just bought his way into the COS anyway. Again we have no way of knowing."

So then why imply or suggest something you are unsure about?


"My general stance is the TOV can do whatever they want just as soon as they quit associating with the COS."

And what are you going to do about it if they don't...bitch somemore? Complain...start a riot on of all places...the internet...what a surprise!

"If they want to stand alone so be it."

They do..they are an independant entity.

"My specific stance is how can anyone who is a Satanist FALL for that esoteric mish-mash of BS they spew. but that is just me. I'd settle for the TOV to quit spamming banners all over LTTD.
But really, I'm dying for a Satanic Vampire to fill me in on how they fit both belief systems (or thought systems) together."

Well I know they have a book you can purchase showing why the two are compatible but I doubt you can afford it.

Good evening.

Before I state anything I would like to just say that I am not a ToV member nor a member of the CoS. Both memberships are in the works and I am excited about them.

I have divided my posts into 3 parts since it limits the characters you can use.

I have honestly not read all 27 pages of posts on here simply because I don't have time. I read the last few pages and have some thoughts of my own. But please be aware that I will not respond to any posts as this will be my first and only post. But I will read the responses.

Part1
From what I understand some folks here feel the ToV is a scam ran by Nemo. That is a valid concern if someone is looking into membership, especially if that membership costs money. Well, from my experience in life anything of value does cost money. And usually the cheapest things in life aren't always the best. I did my homework on the Temple and if it is a scam, it's a pretty elaborate scam. Most scams only last for so long and are very basic and simple. So if the ToV is a scam then it will shut itself down eventually. Not to mention that the concept of the ToV being a scam is an unproven assertion.

Part2.
I have also read that a lot of people here believe that the ToV sucks away from the members of the CoS.

Well quite frankly if the CoS and the ToV doesn't reveal any of its membership information you are only making a half-assed judgment with limited information.

I know that LttD has quite a few members of the CoS who are also members of the ToV but that most certainly shouldn't be the best way to judge its membership information. I have also seen new members come onto LttD who are ToV members and eventually become CoS members. So I don't see one organization dominating over the other by draining its members.

As far as the support for the ToV on LttD well, you're right in that Magister Ventrue is a ToV member as well so of course his website will support it. I don't think this is wrong and anything worth getting upset over because he owns LttD and has that right. I wouldn't walk into someones home and get upset about a picture they have hanging on the wall. That is just not rational and counter-productive.

If you think you can do better then go and do it. That's what a real Satanist would do in my opinion.

Part3.

Finally I have noticed A LOT of hostility in the last few pages. I am not sure if anyone on here is a CoS member or not but I think Anton LaVey would be pretty emberassed at seeing members fighting over something so petty. When I visited http://www.churchofsatan.com and clicked on the affiliations page one thing stuck out to me more than anything.

"A word to the wise: since Satanism is a philosophy which holds individualism as one of its main values, we don

Part 1 lost some of its post so I will add it here.

From what I have read some folks here feel the ToV is incompatible with Satanism. Well if someone feels that way then that is fine but that doesn't mean everyone else will think the same way you do. Satanism is about independant thinking after all.

For example I know that some members of the CoS are members of the Masonic Temple. Yet you are required to believe in a supreme being as a Mason whereas Satanism champions the individual as their own supreme being. So from the outside perspective the two look incompatible yet there are those who utilize both and make them work. So does it really matter one way or another if I don't see them as compatible to the individual who does? No, of course not. My point is that just because you are incapable of utilizing a tool for your own benefit doesn't mean that the tool is broken, it just means you don't know how to operate it.

By the way I apologive for any misspelled words or typing errors as I am typing in the dark.

So do you have some extra cash and like blowing it on Temples?

Well, check out the PFT!!! 😜

http://www.partridgefamilytemple.com/

So we all want nemo to appear and say it's not a scam, it's finding nemo 2

i might be underage in appearance by the way, but my mind is past my time in age.

check this out guess what i found here: http://www.sacredtexts.com/goth at the bottom of the page

i meant http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/

Ah. It's Z, my favorite pro-TOV troll.

By this point you should really KNOW why some members of the COS (like me) can't stand Daddy Nemo's exploitation of the COS.

That's why we are up in arms about it because it is exploitation. Pure and simple.

Again for my own part I really wish one of you guys would also answer the questgions I posed.

But since you go ad-homenim on me instead I will pose the question again with an added one just for you!

#1 Why do the undead gods fly around in UFO's?
#2 You guys say that Jesus was a vampire? How so?
#3 Why do I have to buy temple jewlery for the undead gods to be pleased?

Now if any Satanist can't see why the three above are COMPLETELY at odds with Anton LaVey's COS thoughts AS THEY WERE CODIFIED BY HIM then I guess I can't help you.

Unlike Daddy Nemo Anton wrote EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANT. There was NO intellectual dishonesty or esoteric mish-mash.

None.

Doktor LaVey stated that the COS was athesistic PERIOD. As has Magus Gilmore.

Correct?

If that follws then it DOESN'T follow that you think undead gods are flying around in UFO's abducting vampires that aren't memebers of the TOV.

By the way kiddies Daddy Nemo states that if you joing the TOV you won't get abducted lol.

See how this works Z?

Now you know DAMN WELL that ALL of the above claims come straight from TOV literature. I am not making this up or exaggerating at all.

Dwell on that for a moment.

Other COS members just want the TOV to quit exploiting the n ame of the COS that Anton LaVey put his blood, sweat and tears into.

Me too. But I alos want you to tell me how you fit the undead god shit into you view of Satanism Z.

I have YET to see a convincing argument about this from you guys just personal attacks.

Which to anyone who studies psychology knows why this is.

Dorkula

its been a long scam, if it is one (4-5 years). my guess this is a new religion. christianity could be a scam for all we know, or been jewish. maybe thats why hitler wanted them killed. dont forget about 2012 everyone thinks thats gonna be end of the world, world war 3, alien invasion, ect.

"Me too. But I alos want you to tell me how you fit the undead god shit into you view of Satanism Z"... maybe its a christian view linking the undead to be a spawn of satan. (thats how people tend to think when brain washed)-(brain washed by collection plates)