Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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Same as Scientology - give us your money and we'll give you enlightenment. It's bullshit and I find it disgusting that people get away with this sort of ssam - that's right - A SCAM. There are plenty of them in the world and this one just shouts "HEY YOU SUCKERS WITH TOO MUCH MONEY, COME OVER HERE AND BE WELL AND TRULY RIPPED OFF!"
I bet the person who runs this is rubbing their hands together and now doesn't need to work at all with all the cash that's floating his way.
Absolutely amazing that people still fall for this kind of stuff.
Check your messages, see where you've been the last 17 billion years. Also, does the catholic church ask for money? 😛
My advice seeing as the teachings and philosophy are sound just buy all five bibles and forget the TOV,find a few people you can form a small group with to meet and study their bibles and do rituals,but beyond that forget the cultic TOV its now nothing more then a money making SCAM!
http://www23.brinkster.com/falcis/
http://michellebelanger.com
http://www.neopagan.net/
And to James Thor in Vancouver I'd recommend: http://www.white-wolf.com/
Grow up and stop giving these rip-off bastards your money. Go and do something useful with it instead.
And getting defensive is not a good tactics. I'm surprised you're dismissing esoterics as well as science and still talk as if you know more than others. People who talk this big are usually mixing real life and roleplaying together.
I can imagine quite a lot. Claiming you know more than I can imagine seems arrogant. Grains of sand, lass... Realizing you know nothin is the first step.
Here's a hint on the vampire front: When Ramsland was researching, she primarily found thrillseekers and people who used the vampire image to justify sexual deviation or building up a perception of self. She should have looked where the vampire isn't needed.
I, myself LOVE the idea of the vampire. The romantic images it can conjure up are beautiful and exciting but Lestat and Louis don't exist.
This group that calls itself a religion are rip-off merchants, nothng more, nothing less. The guy at the top decided to cash in on a few people who wished it was all true. Sad really, but good luck to him if it's working. I bet he doesn't have to find a job.
Nature had a cool show on bats one time that included the vampire bat. It was very interesting.
My dear friend Jo, I hope you understand that surely no religion encourages the ridicule of another. We must embrace everyone and everthing. That doesn't mean you must believe what others believe, but you cannot defeat your enemies without knowledge of their being.
Sand, I am glad to have read that you possess a wisdom that is nearly lost amongst us. Whatever it is that you practice, it makes you wiser than you may be willing to admit, and thus you have the voice it requires to speak to people of all different walks of life.
To all else, I wish you nothing bur the best in this life, and if your religion preaches some form of immortality, I hope that you are worthy by whatever standards to reach such a gift.
-Dario
It IS a rip off and I feel for anyone dragged into all this enough to part with their hard earned cash.
There are NO such things as undead that we know of - prove yourself as undead to me if you really are. If you can't, then I rest my case.
Charybdis - you sod. And I thought the pain in the neck thing was funny.
It is something that is either not real or cannot be proved because there are no examples walking among us.
Yes vampires are a myth, but almost all religions are based on myths that are either not real or cannot be proved. The only reason I rate vampire wannabes lower than normal religions is because the whole goth subculture just annoys me. Personal preference.
And damnit, I tried to think of 'pain in the neck, I really did. But it just wouldn't kick out. Stupid brain.
Drinking blood doesn't make you a vampire. Try it for yourself if you doubt me, you can purchase animal blood if you really want to try it. And drinking wine that's representing blood* makes even less sense.
*Yes I know that the Catholic Churchs holds that the wine auto-magically transforms into the actual blood of Christ. But that's just silly, isn't it?
As for my location being Hell, it's a joke. Though if I did happen to live somewhere such as Hell, Montana I'd be perfectly justified in stating so, regardless of your personal feelings in the matter.
I encourage it's exploration.
but...
I've read all four books of the Temple of the Vampire and much of it is claptrap. They claim that Jesus died in battle in the First Century... kind of like the unsubstantiated claim that he showed up in the good old USA via Mormonism.
At first I was impressed with the author, until I realized the limited range of his vision. Most of this is rewarmed hermetics, psychology and pure schucketerism, without any real answers. Much of it is double speak.
For example, let's look at the section on summoning the undead (they seem pretty dead to me if you have to summon them from the ether): The author instructs, "Breathe in and out to summon the undead spirits." Then, later in the book we're told, ways to tell that the undead are present "include tingling in your extremities."
In Medical texts this is called hyperventilation, and tingling in the extremities is a common manifestation.
Also, it is a debate technique, by the way, to challenge people not to take you on faith, then feed them bullcrap. It undermines one's natural inclination to skepticism.
Hence the defenders who say, "We are challenged to test everything we are taught," while still promoting the idea that they can inhale other people's souls. Even their leader warns them that much of what he says "may be fact or fancy."
I suppose his lawyer told him to add this, in case one of his plastic fang wearing followers brings daddy's shotgun to school.
If you want to prove your claims of physical immortality then please produce a 500 year old undead person. If you cannot do that, then shut up.
I suppose the vampires found golden tablets in the woods. Unfortunately, they never explain how they know all of this stuff. In other words, Nemo, who I personally know to be trained in psychology and hypnotism makes it up as he goes along.
Defending this silly scam of a "vampire" religion by arguing that it is as valid as Christianity is ridiculous. Bram Stoker must be turning in his grave. Why would anyone with church experience want to be like a Christian, or hold this up as a good thing for the thinking person???
From my point of view the Pagans and Satanists have it right. There may be gods and goddesses... or maybe not. As for life on Earth, the only testable law is Tooth and Claw.
All else occurs in the twilight.
" kinda gives the public the opinion that every "goth" kid out there role plays being a vampire to the point that they are a danger to the public not so!!! i am a solitary satanist and have been hated ,searched illegally ,harassed and in general socially abused my whole life for being in their own words "different" and to hear some one who agrees with the satanic view of life and faith yet be so foolish as to act Christian by making false statements such as that and grouping everyone who is a mature responsible adult with an alternative life style or faith as one of those stereotypes of person well...all i can say is may the powers of common sense lay hold of you so strongly that it breaks your neck for you are no better than the hick scum that i have had to deal with in my past as im sure many others have to also
sincerely
drainsuslowly p.s next time you make a statement such as that pllz consult your own lawyer as to charges YOU may face for slanderous statements thnx
I have read the Bible and it 'preaches' complete narcism and is against all groups and religions. They promote that members must keep their beliefs secret as its supposed to be something very personal to them. It encourages people isloating themsleves and outlines meditation practices to 'bring the undead gods into your room'.
What a great way to suck money out vulnerable people with mental illness.
Perhaps it is debatable whether this is illegal, but it is certainly going against real historical facts and implying strongly that the US govt supports vampirism. Perhaps there are some legal 'sedition' considerations here.
And any 'religion' that promotes extreme narcism and that living alone and isolated is a good thing, and keeping this secret while members have to pay subscription fees to them is perhaps a form of exploitation and emotional abuse of the mentally ill, which may also have some illegal implications ?
What a boring existence ! Being alone in your room, sitting in a chair all day trying to summon undead gods. Paying subscription fees to the TOV, while they are laughing their way to the bank, probably holidaying in the Bahamas somewhere.
Now lets take a real Vampire (they arnt real buts lets assume they are for one minute), they cant enjoy the taste of food, they cant play any sport during the day, they cant do anything much other than go around sucking blood off people like you and I ! Being immortal, then I think you would get very bored of that after about 2 years, leaving you to a 'lifetime' of complete mental torment.
The concept is just ridiculous and a complete scam.
I've gone all the way up to "adept status".
The rest of you get off drugs or clear your head.
Take care.
PS: Great book(s)
Why is it, unlike other religions, that in order to reach a certain 'status' you are forced to pay the religion money ? To participate at all there is a minimum amount you must pay. Other religions may ask for donations but that is flexible and not mandatory. Other religions also dont require you to keep your involvement secret, but to be very open about it. What have they got to hide ?
these people are not immortal, they eat normal food and it tastes good, they can walk in sunlight though they may easily sunburn or be blinded by the light or have their mood effected in some way
if a bat can be parasitic off other creature's blood, why could there be a condition where a human was also forced to be parasitic?
these "Vampires" for lack of a better word are completely normal and functioning members of society, they have jobs and go to school and have children just like everyone else, just once in a while they like their steak incredibly rare or raw
i believe everyone has a right to their own opinions and no one should have to pay to talk to people with a similar mindset or belief system
some of them choose to take blood from a consenting adult donor, but roleplayers and false religious groups really need to stop because its very annoying
well there is my 5:33 AM after being up all night philosophy
if anyone has any questions my AIM is chicoine666,
and for more information about real vampires, visit http://www.sanguinarius.org
their body doesnt produce enough hemoglobin to sustain their lives
ever hear of hemophilia?
or anaemia for tht matter?
You posted in part: "...getting paid under the table for starters and
if thats what it takes for me to live then so be it."
Your complete post is reproduced below my signature.
This is against Temple Law as it advocates criminal activity.
It is illegal to participate in the black market.
I am suspending your membership as of now.
You will need to convince this Temple that you have abandoned this
line of thought to have your membership restored.
This is not an issue of debate.
Forever,
Nemo
You will have to totally abandon this line of thinking and action to
remain in the Temple.
--
Nemo
Internet Administrator
Temple of the Vampire
http://www.vampiretemple.com
still struggling, not in the least. i've had a girlfrend for 10 years
we have our own house, i pay all of my bills on time. My gf helped me
get a job and her boss says i do a better job then 3 girls combind,
i'm not lazy others just hold me back from doing what i love and i
would do anything even die as a mortal for them but i'd rather become
a vampire and thats what i'm working on, sucking lifeforce from my cat
and dog, my gfs dad and my gf. As far as the SSI thing goes, theres no
way out of it. but as in everthing there is an easy way to do things
as in getting money, like getting paid under the table for starters
and if thats what it takes for me to live then so be it. Now that
i've held a job for about 2 months, now i could not be happier. so as
you can see, if it takes ten bucks and a buttload of practice on the
nightside, it will be done. thats just too easy. if you have anymore
questions i'll be gald to get back to you on them. getting to know me
as a person is best before any kind of comments about me and my
personal life are made please and thank you its best left in the dark
for now, sence you are the system it will be no feat at all to find
out about me. i have no fear about becoming a vampire, i'm now making
it my lifes work. i will in time learn to feed off of humans, its just
a matter of time, cuz thats all i have left in this world. the rest of
my lifes work is now so easy its not even funny. i'm just as smart as
HP tech support and much easier to understand, i've studied collage
phyc 101 when i was 16 and the other teachers couldn't understand what
i was talking about and yet they let me pick what i wanted to learn
about and then grade me accordingly. So i know i the little mind games
that people that i've met before this try to do to me and they get mad
cuz they can't pull the wool over my eyes. which i has to hold my
toung and just laugh at them in my head, lol. so sence this is a
public thing i'll just have to let you get to know me. Smile your prey
is learing.
Humans are my prey and i will feed from there blood.
Have a good feeding.
It's a well-orchestrated hoax, dare I say brilliant, but a hoax nonetheless. It
Where, oh where, is the almighty, immortal vampire Nemo to set the record straight here regarding the Temple of the Vampire? One of his ambiguous replies would be absolutely perfect just about now.
Come, tell the world how your organization is not a complete and utter hoax. Tell us how you think you are all elite and above the rest of humanity. Tell us how you're going to physically live forever, though I've heard you're getting older by the day, just like everyone else. Only human, isn't that right?
Most important of all, please tell us how many members of your organization are actually over the age of say... I dunno... how about 400 years old. That would qualify as someone who has succeeded in physical immortality to some degree, or at the very least, outlived his fellow man. This request implies living, breathing candidates only please, who are also subscribing members to your website.
You don't have to even give any names. Just a number, a statistic will do. Even one person? Anyone? I'll bet the majority of your members are under the age of 35, no?
Is it true there are no real immortals amongst your membership ranks? Even someone over the age of 150 years old might stir up some vague curiosity and a sense of credibility on your behalf.
Tell us, is Lucas Martel an immortal vampire? Isn't he the gentleman that signs all the membership title contracts which you then revoke at your nearest convenience?
Are all the immortals so feeble they cannot type words on a keyboard? Come on! I want to meet an immortal vampire!!!!!
Hey, if you're really watching as you say, I'd have already met you, but alas, I have not. If you all were really watching, you'd stop me from typing these words. You're not watching at all. See, I'm still typing!!!!!
Your motto is "Test everything, believe nothing" but isn't it true that anyone who doesn't do exactly as they are ordered is forced out of the group? What happens when you test everything and discover it's just a bunch of bullshit?
We want answers!!!!! Tell us it isn't really just a money-making hoax, Nemo. Please!!!!!
For Satan's sake, please tell us.