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Pastor,

How do you think jesus would feel knowing you were posting on such an evil message board.

sleep tight......

But Jesus was a vampire! You'd know that if you had actually bothered to read this forum.

And Satanists don't worship Satan or demons or anything at all but themselves. Naturally, though, you were too busy proselytizing to research anything, like the ignorant Christian you are.

Since you don't have anything useful to offer, just go away.

In regards to Christians posting on here, don't feed the trolls or they will demand more attention and start endlessly trying to convert others on here.

To the Christians, as you can tell your conversion attempts are not welcome here so please do not cast your pearls before 'swine'. Please shake the dust off of your feet and go elsewhere where your opinions are asked for.

In regards to Satanists, there is no animal or human sacrifice and illegal activity is not tolerated in the Church of Satan.

However, it is unfortunate that some on occasion have committed crimes and tried to say they are current members of the Church of Satan and they are liars trying to make this 'legal' religion look bad. The policies on the Church of Satan website are very clear about no toleration of criminal activity.

For those interested in what Satanism is about and NOT (as the Christians like to lie and spread misinformation about) then watch this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGpsek9OPuE

AND

Speak of the Devil Documentary:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2647125899438443943&ei=UvVDSpObIZverAK-2JSMBg&q=speak+of+the+devil&hl=en

All of you are the same, worshipping Satan and his demons from Hell.

Yes, your are right about one thing, there are Devil worshipers out there, yet there is no Devil worship in the Church of Satan. And Satanists do not consider themselves 'Devil worshipers' because they worship themselves.

There is strong distinction between Satanists and Devil worshipers so please do not spread your prejudiced misinformation about Satanists.

Also, you would not want to break one of the 10 commandments and bear false witness, would you?

I suggest that you research these religions from their sources (e.g. their websites and their Bibles and not Christian literature full of lies or what Pastor Liar says).

WWJD?

Quote >> "I have never seen such evil in my life. Posted by Pastor Joe in Church Administrative Office. on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM"

You are evil as well, my friend. No one is truly innocent in this world. You, yourself, support a religion (Christianity) that has murdered MILLIONS in cold blood, over hundreds of years. That makes you guilty by association. At least no one posting here, with the exception of you, is in support of murderers and genocidal maniacs.

Quote >> "You all need to repent before God and get your relationship with Jesus Christ!
Posted by Pastor Joe in Church Administrative Office. on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM"

Take this, all of you and drink it, this is my blood. Do it, do it now!!!! Suck it down and love it. I promise I will give you an eternal life of servitude so you can bask forever in my reflected glory. Amen.

Your Friend and Savior,
Vampire Jesus

"You all need to repent before God and get your relationship with Jesus Christ!
Posted by Pastor Joe in Church Administrative Office. on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM"

Relationship? You mean, like dating? Going to a movie? Bringing JC home for dinner or something?

As far as repenting - Xtians are way into the guilt thing. Satanists don't relate to such a mindset.
The "original sin" idea is nuts. Christianity is a type of mental illness.
I have the distinct impression that The Temple of the Vampire theology can cause the same problem.

Christianity is a type of mental illness.

That's an immature statement.

Zeus-What % of ToV recruits come from a christian background?

I have seen many rants on LttD about the "deathist" cults and their dwelling on the afterlife. Wouldn't you consider that the ToV spends alot of it's time doing the same, maybe not in the same manner but still burning alot of time and resource trying to figure out how to elude death. How much indulgence is actually shunned by the average ToV member in persuit of empty promises?

Rupert,

Any indulgence that interferes with a healthy mind and body is best avoided for anyone seeking an enjoyable life and its extension. Usually that interference is an overindulgence.

About burning time and resources. I still maintain that your frustration in an organization that is devoted to a goal you inherently have no interest in is justified. If you don't want this enough to push yourself past your comfort zone for the achievement of a very long life (to the extent of "cheating" death), developing repeatable experiences that aid in such an achievement (awareness and control of subtle experiences to remain breathing after physical death; I'm pushing most people's understanding of what is possible here...I apologize), and expand your perceptual borders of what is truly possible in our universe (our definition of the "real"), spending any time on these issues is a waste. The ToV can be likened to a school for life, in the betterment of its condition and its extension. The only worthwhile and long-lasting students are those attracted to that prospect.

Christianity is a type of mental illness.

"That's an immature statement."

THAT is an incredibely ignorant statement.

According to world renowned psychologist Dr. Albert Ellis, religiosity IS a form of mental illness.

Get your facts straight before you start calling people immature.

Zeus, come down from your mountain and admit your mistake.

Private in Midwest,

You need to take a course in either religious studies or sociocultural anthropology and see if you still hold that opinion afterwards. Pulling the expert card is also a sign of immaturity in independent thinking; besides, I suspect you are taking it out of context. If not, there are other more qualified experts in the appropriate specialty that would disagree.

Biologically, culturally, and personally, the sense of religiosity is a healthy aspect of the human experience. The problems come in with literalism. In regards to Christianity, there are contemplative traditions within that broad category that can be personally rewarding to individuals of that inclination.

It's surprising that as Satanism is a religion, based on the best anthropological definitions, you hold such a narrow view.

Zeus, come down from your mountain and admit your mistake.

I'm currently spending some quality time with Hera for once, thanks though.

OK oen thing no ones meantioned is this the great and exalted Pooh-Bah and High Preist of the TOV Nemo is also a high ranker in the Church of Satan.

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=361312

also another example of TOV stupidity!

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=90738

try this one 4th post down

http://www.the600club.com/topic24882-1.html

Zeus you might want to suggest that "Private in Midwest" seek some "Mentoring" as he is a "self-proclaimed" member of your family. Maybe after a little guidance he may become as literally engaging as yourself.

"OK oen thing no ones meantioned is this the great and exalted Pooh-Bah and High Preist of the TOV Nemo is also a high ranker in the Church of Satan."

I believe that has been mentioned about 600 or so times up to this point, scroll back to page 1 and read from the begining. I believe that at least 2 of those links have been posted here also. Thank you for the info though.

Looks like I got the lucky post!

Post # 666

"If you don't want this enough to push yourself past your comfort zone for the achievement of a very long life (to the extent of "cheating" death), developing repeatable experiences that aid in such an achievement (awareness and control of subtle experiences to remain breathing after physical death; I'm pushing most people's understanding of what is possible here...I apologize), and expand your perceptual borders of what is truly possible in our universe (our definition of the "real"), spending any time on these issues is a waste. The ToV can be likened to a school for life, in the betterment of its condition and its extension."

And that is the crux of the issue. How do you know your subjective experiences are real? Just because you see something, feel something, experience some sort of sensation does not mean that experience has any objective existence. The things schizophrenics see and hear do not exist, but they appear vividly real to the schizophrenic, so much so that it ruins their lives. Clearly, Zeus, you BELIEVE your Vampiric experiences are real; you have faith that said experiences constitute some sort of paranormal activity. The rituals and exercises that the ToV pursues, in my opinion, are nothing but vivid hallucinations and personal delusions.

Furthermore, how do you know that ANY of the things the ToV practices lead to eternal life? How do you know you're not wasting your life on, to quote Anton LaVey, a "spiritual pipe dream"? Anything subjective you base your experiences on may not be real, no matter how much you want to believe said experiences are real.

The reason people on this forum dislike the ToV is because ToV practitioners don't "test everything." They simply follow the experience-manipulating rituals and swallow what the ToV tells them hook, line, and sinker. And when you're hyperventilating in a dark room you're bound to see things. It's exactly like taking mind-altering drugs; you experience a sensation, but that sensation is entirely the result of something you've done to your body, and is entirely subjective, with absolutely NO objective reality.

OK oen thing no ones meantioned is this the great and exalted Pooh-Bah and High Preist of the TOV Nemo is also a high ranker in the Church of Satan.

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=361312

also another example of TOV stupidity!

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=90738

try this one 4th post down

http://www.the600club.com/topic24882-1.html
Posted by Odin in in hell on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 07:58 AM

Thank you for sharing this with everyone and it really has got me thinking deeply about both organizations...

Deep down I knew what is going on with both of these organizations yet I had a hard time admitting it.

Regretfully, I have to agree with most of what is being said in the 600 Club forum about both organizations and, especially, LTTD that I have always avoided because of the online a-holes who like to call everyone 'stupid' like schoolyard children. And Hell Forbid if you disagree with a 'SUPERIOR OFFICER'.

So, in summary, who wants to pay money in either organization for "attack therapy" from so-called ladies and gentlemen?

I think I have reached the end of my rope with both organizations.

I am beginning to think Boyd Rice had the right idea about it all.

*sighs*

Just because you see something, feel something, experience some sort of sensation does not mean that experience has any objective existence. The things schizophrenics see and hear do not exist, but they appear vividly real to the schizophrenic, so much so that it ruins their lives.

Oh yeah? Prove my experiences aren't real! You can't because they're real, I saw it! It has to be true. Just like Nemo and the Vampire Bible says. The shadows in the corner of my eyes were Undead Gods! Stupid human. Using your brain and stuff.

I really enjoy the assumption behind this and the rest of the 100 posts that everyone in the ToV is either a dolt or needs a mental asylum. Alright, some do inevitably...

And when you're hyperventilating in a dark room you're bound to see things.

Ok ok Mr. Nahsh. I don't wanna hear it. We need members. Don't even fucking think about letting the rubber chicken finale out of your mouth.

I think it is obvious that there is some user-manipulation going on here. There is really no sense in pretending that you are someone else, in even one post a person can establish a level of personality that can't be duplicated. I for one won't fall for poor impersonation, if you are going to try it, at least try and be on the same intellectual level as the person you are trying to impersonate.

Rupert's right. If you aren't the person I was talking to, don't impersonate him/her.

Rupert,

All posts under "Zeus" have been my own. Gotta be light-hearted every now and then.

Just because you see something, feel something, experience some sort of sensation does not mean that experience has any objective existence. The things schizophrenics see and hear do not exist, but they appear vividly real to the schizophrenic, so much so that it ruins their lives.

I don't have a problem with the experiences in ritual yet the important thing is knowing the difference between fantasy and reality. I suggest those to read the chapter on the Intellectual Decompression Chamber in The Satanic Bible.

Yes, you may have experiences with your sub-conscience in ritual yet I feign the idea of conjuring up Gods in a ritual.

And if something you can see and touch does appear before then don't assume said thing is what your leaders, bibles or beliefs think it is.

It could be something that science hasn't explained yet so don't go projecting your beliefs or your books' beliefs onto your experiences. In other words, think for yourself.

Just because you see an angel doens't mean that it is an angel or even from God because what if it is something else like another lifeform like an alien (not saying they do or don't exist)?

I also find that most who have so-called spiritual experiences take their experiences at face value too quickly.

As far as the ToV, I think they are simply pre-defining and programming your subjective experiences for you.

This poster claims to have seen and heard things yet how do you know what you summoned is what it is. Even it said "Hello, Fred, I am an undead god!" How do you know it is what it is and why trust it?

Maybe that is the whole meaning of the ToV being an experiment?

I am not saying anyone's experiences didn't happen to them yet I question how people interpret them and how they may be deceiving themselves.

I grew up in a church where people claimed to have visions from God and spoke in tounges yet they never questioned their experiences. They would just automatically believe this validated their religion without wondering if there was something more to it. Hell, if Jesus popped in their bedroom they would most likely believe it was Jesus and worship it.

As far as the paranormal with ghosts and demons, who really knows what is going on there. Yet, for me, it doesn't automatically prove to me there is a Heaven or Hell but it does prove that there is some things that are simply unexplained in nature at this time.

What I find amusing and suspicious in this forum is that some ToV members feel a need to defend their experiences. I think they wouldn't feel a need to do so if they were not questioning and doubting their own subjective experiences.

For me, a truly Satanic world is where humans can embrace fantasy and ritual yet know the difference between fact and fancy.

And there would be know white-lighters (Christians vrs. Muslims, etc..) or devil worshipers in my ideal world.

http://www.julianjaynes.org/

"If you don't want this enough to push yourself past your comfort zone for the achievement of a very long life (to the extent of "cheating" death)"

Zeus,
I push myself past my comfort zone every day in that I exercise, meditate and maintain a healthy diet regement, all of which are proven methods of extending one's life. I am still comfortable with the fact that at some point I will stop breathing. There is absolutely no proof in any of the methods offered up by your organization that are worth the devotion of which you require. What you describe can be compared to the likes of a faith based institution of which it's methods have never (or never will) been proven only taken in faith as the truth. Do I find Whitley Steiber interesting...Yeah I do but that's about it. None of it is true. I have the book "Soul Traveler" by Albert Taylor, it's a great book but none of it is true, I'm sorry, out of body experience has never been scientifically proven. Therefore in my eyes, why would I waste my precious life chasing something that really doesn't work?

Yes, you may have experiences with your sub-conscience in ritual yet I feign the idea of conjuring up Gods in a ritual.

Please excuse misuse of word, I meant to say abhor instead of feign in regards to having Santa come down my chimney.

_chuckles_

Santa is watching and I have been naughty! 😊

_rolls eyes_

I have the book "Soul Traveler" by Albert Taylor, it's a great book but none of it is true, I'm sorry, out of body experience has never been scientifically proven.

Rupert, I agree with you most of the time yet I had and OBE experience before. Also, it could have been a hullicination, as for me, who knows?

I don't know yet but I am not close-minded to the possibilities of what the human mind could be capable of.

I feel that I have to agree to disagree with your assertion of it 100% not being real and think that this is just as much a 'belief' as those who claim and 'believe' it is real with no real scientific proof.

I feel that with enough scientific experimentation that something like may be proven and I remain objective in regards to OBE or NDE.

I still experiment, only because of my previous experience.

Also, many who have these enlightening experiences have claimed that positive mental and physical benefits arise from such meditative practices.

Then again I respect your desire to not experiment and to each his own.

Private in Private, you are spot-on as usual.

There is no way to independently verify the experiences of the ToV practitioners; they simply have to have faith in what the ToV is telling them.

What happens in the ToV ritual chamber is exactly what happens in the CoS intellectual decompression chamber. The only difference is that LaVey said straight out that it was fantasy. The ToV doesn't say what its practitioners experience is fantasy--they simply came up with their triune system of metaphysics. When you're not in the ritual chamber your experiences are easily explained away as being hyperventilation, over-stimulation, sensory deprivation, whatever. When you're in the ritual chamber the experiences are taken as real. I have no problem with this belief as long as you know that it is simply a belief, a tool to accomplish something. But the ToV doesn't tell its practitioners that the Nightside they experience is only real because they believe in it; they lie and say that it's a real, objective experience, when it clearly isn't.

The ToV is a master at manipulation. They tell their practitioners to verify what they say through experience, but they don't bother to tell people that it's totally subjective. If somebody tells you you're going to experience cobwebs or touching or the feeling of a breath of wind while calling the "Undead Gods," of course you're going to experience that, because you BELIEVE in it.

Belief is a powerful tool, but it is a TOOL. You shouldn't draw conclusions about the REAL world based on something from a FANTASY world you've created in your mind.

I agree with you, Private in Private, about your OBE experience. You clearly had some sort of experience, but, in my opinion, it was totally subjective and totally in your mind. But just because it wasn't real, in the sense of being independently verifiable, that doesn't mean it wasn't life-changing or amazing for you personally. People should just take these experiences for what I think they are: subjective experiences that have no real bearing on the objective, real world.

They're amazing experiences, but they aren't real.

Nahsh, Rupert, and Private,

The issues you are discussing are epistemological questions, how we know what we know and with what degree of certainty. Very excellent ones by the way.

One of my favorite books is Polanyi's Personal Knowledge proposing a tacit dimension to knowledge and certainty.

"I feel that with enough scientific experimentation that something like may be proven and I remain objective in regards to OBE or NDE."

I just want to clarify, I do remain objective in my outlook on "Super-normal" experience. Things do happen of which no explanation can be had. I may have jumbled my thoughts in that my stance on these or any "Super-normal" experience is unique to the one experiencing them because they are originated from the mind which is non-transferrable in that they cannot be duplicated by others. If there was a way to duplicate a person's sub-conscience activity and a means of proving it, then I would consider there to be a legitmate platform in which organizations like the one in question here could structure a lifestyle around. The CoS is structured around ideals that need no justification because it is pure human-nature. There is no question as to it's identity and true motives because they are simple, they only requirement is that one seperates fiction and fantasy from the true nature of man. Dr LaVey never asked anybody to believe anything in which faith was a part.

I would like to offer up the thread below from LttD. Pay special attention to Warlock Reprobate's reply to Magister Nemo. I find it very relevant to the discussion.

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=375250&page=2

Also in regards to the above thread, in post #375866 by Magister Nemo he gives you a blatant definition of the motivations behind the ToV.

"If they extracted 10% of the time and effort they expend on musing about the existence of God and devoted it to their own most practical issues (such as health, wealth, and happiness), they would probably be so much improved in a month's time that they might up the ante to 20%!"-Magister Nemo on LttD

I don't agree with a thing that comes out of that man's mouth. All Nemo does is double-talk; is there ever any substance to what he has to say?

I disagree with his idea of Satanism too. My interpretation is quite different from his weirdly, in my opinion, mystical version of it.

Zeus:

Do you or do you not believe that what you experience during Vampiric Communion is real, in any objective sense of the word?

Or do you consider it to be subjective and all in your mind?

Or do you have none of these opinions? Could you please explain in your own words your view of the experiences you have in the ToV? I want to understand how you relate to your Vampiric experiences. Explain the epistemology, if you will, to the best of your ability.

I'd greatly appreciate.

I'm sorry this is a little off topic but I know this person frequents this board. "Unknown", what kind of Sycophantic Garbage is this:

"Magister Nemo I have to ask, do you ever get board of hearing compliments and appreciation? I know this might sound dumb but you get a lot of compliments on this board and I am sure in real life. So I am just wondering if hearing so many compliments can begin to erode such appreciation of them. I am not implying you don't I am just speaking in general. But I would like to say that you have spoken beautifuly and thank you for your thoughts of wisdom."

Unknown, if you read THIS post, please go back to the exchange we had earlier on this forum and read yourself your reasons for joining the ToV. Pathetic!

Just to be fair, here is the post that I aquired the above quote from.

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=385715&page=2

interesting Rupert

That's how all Nemo's followers act. It's disgusting, and they all fawn on him.

The ToV is a master at manipulation. They tell their practitioners to verify what they say through experience, but they don't bother to tell people that it's totally subjective. If somebody tells you you're going to experience cobwebs or touching or the feeling of a breath of wind while calling the "Undead Gods," of course you're going to experience that, because you BELIEVE in it.

Belief is a powerful tool, but it is a TOOL. You shouldn't draw conclusions about the REAL world based on something from a FANTASY world you've created in your mind.

Thank you Nahshon, I really enjoyed how you summed up what I have been trying to say all long.

I really hope something positive for all involved come out of these interesting exchanges.

Maybe some good can come out of all of this?

I know its been hard on me, to be honest.

I think we probably have done some good. This post comes up on the first page when you search for "Temple of the Vampire" on Google, and I'm sure the info presented herein has dissuaded quite a few people from getting involved with the Temple or, at the very least, made them think twice about joining the organization and being more aware if they do end up joining the Temple.

You know what I mean? All we can really do is tell people about our experiences with the Temple and the problems we have with it. And hope people have the good sense to stay the hell away!

"You know what I mean? All we can really do is tell people about our experiences with the Temple and the problems we have with it. And hope people have the good sense to stay the hell away!"

Not to take away from the people here who have been personally affected by the Vampire Cult but my hope is that the affiliation that the ToV has established with the CoS will come to an end. They can do all of the theistic undead god worshipping they want, I just want them to do it away from the CoS. It's a relationship based on hostility and strong-arming, and never-was/never-will be compatible. I know there are plenty of Satanists that feel the same way and as long as The Museum of Hoaxes is gracious enough to host our rebellion, I will continue to rebel!

I will tagging the following phrase on every post from this point forward in hopes that it will solidify this site when "Temple of the Vampire" is searched on Google.

Temple of the Vampire is a Hoax

"...my hope is that the affiliation that the ToV has established with the CoS will come to an end."

And I hope so too. I have problems with the Temple, but IF it really is a legitimate religion, and not a mind control cult, then they can do whatever they want, but, as Rupert says, they shouldn't do it in any connection with the CoS.

This forum is the 4th result when you search for "Temple of the Vampire" on Google, and it's the very first result when you search "Temple of the Vampire scam."

You would think after almost 700 comments on this site and the many concerns of Satanists elsewhere that the Church of Satan would have a response to this or would be taking some form of action.

WE ARE WATCHING!

Because maybe the TOV is really calling all the shots yo?

If the Council of 9 is mostly "immature UNDEAD goth GODS" then there ya go dude.

"I think we probably have done some good. This post comes up on the first page when you search for "Temple of the Vampire" on Google, and I'm sure the info presented herein has dissuaded quite a few people from getting involved with the Temple or, at the very least, made them think twice about joining the organization and being more aware if they do end up joining the Temple."

WAY TO GO!!!

Mindless morons who are incapable of thinking for themselves and take other people's opinions as fact are exactly the kind of people who should not be wasting TOV's time.

And anybody who doesn't investigate the Temple, but takes what they say on faith (like you apparently do) is breaking the Temple's cardinal rule: Test Everything, Believe Nothing.

Mindless morons who are incapable of thinking for themselves and take other people's opinions as fact are exactly the kind of people who should not be wasting TOV's time.

Whoah there poster! It seems as if what is being said here is really bothering you, isn't it?

As far as the Satanists here, I feel that, for the most part, their intentions or agenda is well meaning and they are simply here to support Anton LaVey's vision and The Satanic Bible. Maybe some here have not approached this situation as tactfully as an experienced diplomat yet I personally feel that what is being said here was necessary.

It may be unfortunate for the CoS that the ToV is not popular and an outrage to many Satanists yet it is what it is and should not be ignored by either organization.

And, if action isn't taken, then future Satanists may not consider showing monetary support of the CoS as a result of not taking either organization serious.

I feel that this should be taken care of out of respect of concerned CoS members and out of respect for Anton LaVey and his vision.

Then again, if this is not ended, Peter Gilmore has said, "You do not have to join the Church of Satan to be a REAL SATANIST."