Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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Can i meet some members from Vampire Temple, here in this chat???
I would like to speak to a members from Temple of Vampires. Please.....I would like to know something about their life style....... a have some simle questiones....please write me....
There are alot of interesting "things" in Comic Books, as I have found,and I don't believe that Supermen or Spidermen walk among us. How or why are Vampires any different, mythological/fictional tales, they are no different.
Do you know the difference between fiction and reality?
I would like to speak to a members from Temple of Vampires. Please.....I would like to know something about their life style....... a have some simle questiones....please write me...."
I would go so far as to say that if you were to read more than two pages of this weblog you would probably find out all you need to know about the ToV. Other than that, maybe you should go to thier website and read more than just the first page of it, I believe that even without being a member you can find out a great deal of information about the organization.
Then again, who am I to regulate anything.....Network to your hearts content, I think it will be entertaining at the least to "watch".
The members of this stupid cult are so brainwashed that they seem like robots.
If someone uses his brains and post something that they don't like he immediately get banned. This is deep shit !!! they looking for big fat retards.
I always knew it the only thing that worries me is that cos supports them. So cos is the same shit.
The time has come for the true Lords of the Ages to take there places here on Earth. The little games and religions have no real meaning if the Gods themselves have returned. The Gods have returned and will reveal themselves in a short while. Beware of the Governments. They know not what guides them. The Lord of Hosts has returned with his legions and will not fail. Beware of the Governments they are not.
The great, terrible, honored, beautiful, and dreaded Prince
I would expect a little more from somebody who claims to be from the LB.
I will never willingly serve or bow before ANY god.
"I AM. I WILL. I CREATE."
There is no doubt in my mind that he is his only god, as that is what I would expect from Mr. Private in Private.
Wow, quite literally, I JUST missed this conversation.
Can't find the live journal.
http://elruperto.livejournal.com/
Also, I wonder if some ideas for the ToV were borrowed from this old horror flick called Lifeforce which predates the Temple's internet presence.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089489/
The Temple or Hekal Tiamat also claims it has been around since ancient times; yet, to believe in this claim would be taking what they say on 'faith'.
Also, if one is to believe the historical claims or origins of vampires in the Vampire Bible that would also require 'faith'.
Furthermore, if you believe you have validated the so-called practice of Vampirisim and then feel justified in believing any of their claims about origins or their agenda then that is still taking things on 'faith' regardless of so-called validation.
Buying into the ToV, simply trusting they mean well or even trusting in anything they claim verbally or in writing, as I have said before, requires pure 'faith'.
Of course, they tell you test everything and believe nothing yet I found their Administrator and Adepts contradicted this on their Lifeforce message board quite often.
If you are a member I challenge you to find these contridictions that I speak of from Adepts and the Administration.
Maybe they have changed since then; however, if not, I trust you will understand if you can stop wanting to believe in everything they say.
However, I feel there will always be some so intent on wanting to believe they are vampires that they will tune out all of their doubts and suspicions about the ToV.
Have you ever had questions you were afraid to ask yet didn't because of fear of rejection or disapproval?
So, honestly, are you afraid to question the ToV?
If so, then why?
STOP!
And think about what I am saying...
Remember, to look deep inside yourself and you will want to question your own beliefs regardless of your old desire to want to be a vampire.
Dear brainwashed cult member,
Why spam this forum with more parroted Temple slogans like your kind do everywhere else like little brainwashed automatons?
I also find that narcissistic types like you who feel a need to brag or pound on their chests are showing signs of insecurity and weakness in my book.
I feel your kind remind me of the arrogant Apes in the movie Planet of the Apes who underestimated the human species.
Why do so many members of the Temple feel a need to lord their Temple affiliation over non-members or snicker amongst each other about their so-called god status?
Don't types like you have more productive things other than bragging in internet forums like focusing on your Temple goals?
Talking like this, you sound like little Spaniels barking about how big you are at passers by while you remain trapped in your little fenced-in Temple yard.
Obviously, your types are not acting like real Vampires according to your own religion. Why can't you deidentify from your own inflated egos or hubris?
I find it amusing that your only response to this forum is television commercial break.
Sincerely,
Zardoz
Why do people need to accept the existence of magic? More power to the practicioner if people are ignorant.
Nice try, Voldemort.
As far as it being a help to and for members of the CoS - it's lame as hell.
A waste of time.
Sorry folks.
Are you a sh*t disturber, really?
Actually, I feel that a sh*t disturber is someone who just likes starting trouble for the hell of it because they have nothing else better to do because they have no life.
I feel that most here are just expressing honest concerns and feel the ToV relationship with the CoS is bad for the reasons given in the previous postings. I feel some of the strong feelings expressed here is because of some poster's strong loyalty to the philosophy of Satanism.
I really don't think most here are trying to attack the ToV for the hell of it or mad just because some are jealous that they are not Temple members or vampires. *rolls eyes*
To think this would imply that some here actually believe the ToV is REAL and that vampires are real and that the ToV is not a hoax.
As for me, I posted my concerns about the Temple here because this is a museum of 'HOAXES'.
I'm assuming that you are asking "Old Age" if she or he would really consider themselves a sh*t disturber.?.?
-Old Age, you were definately an inspiration to the Dakkar Grotto, and I am truly glad you decided to come here, sh*t disturber you are not.
Also, it is discouraging to read your discontent in regards to the progress of the Live Journal, the fact of the matter is that time is a factor in being able to create something that I would consider to be a viable threat. Being that you dumb-down your writing skills as to better conceal your identity, I'm sure you can appreciate my wanting to prepare something that someone of your caliber might feel proud to be a part of....or maybe not?
Regardless, I will keep moving and those who feel like participating will, and those that don't, won't.
Or maybe.
In 10 years.
We'll all be talking.
Like this.
In 10 years.
We'll all be talking.
Like this."
Just reading that gives me a Mygraine...oops did I spell that wrong!
I am selling doubt.
Doubt is power, and is the very beginning of all knowing.
Without doubt it is impossible to bring true mental clarity or understanding.
I have taken what I have read in these 42 pages and applied the same doubt and skepticism to your words as I do with EVERYTHING else.
Hard nosed disbelief is not doubt, however, and is just as dangerous and the same as belief.
As I read through this site in the past couple days I couldn't help but feel like many of you are attempting to sell disbelief.
With all things, I can not be convinced one way or another without experiencing something myself. That is why I am an atheist. I very seriously doubt the existence of god. Disbelieving in god, however, is another form of belief and is not "teapot atheism".
There has been much talk here about getting the Vampires out of Satanism and separating the two organizations.
There has been much talk over the incompatibility of the two religions.
As you have said here as well, many of the most influential members of the CoS are also very active members in the ToV. Many have made the decision to join the ToV after years of being involved in the CoS and actively living a Satanic lifestyle.
One perspective is that these CoS members are getting duped into a cult.
With my understanding of Satanism it would seem pretty unlikely for such a large group of Satanists (in the Priesthood, no less) to buy into something that contradicts Satanism and that particular world view.
It also seems unlikely for such a large group of Satanists (in the Priesthood, also) to try to pass off something that they know to be rubbish to the wolves in the fold. There seems to be a mutual respect between people who can identify the wolf instinct in others.
Understand, I am being the devil's advocate here. It is nothing more than food for thought. I am not here to convince anyone of anything, as I am not a member of either organisation, YET.
I am merely selling doubt.
Don't get me wrong, I have similar doubts and questions as you do, but I remain willing to exercise my doubt in both directions.
Anything else would be counter productive.
Or even worse, disbelief (belief).
"Hard nosed disbelief is not doubt, however, and is just as dangerous and the same as belief."
How so?
"I very seriously doubt the existence of god."
That's disbelief.
"Disbelieving in god, however, is another form of belief and is not 'teapot atheism.'"
Regardless of whatever you mean by "teapot atheism," that statement is pure nonsense. People either believe in gods or they don't. The only possible third position is agnosticism, and agnostics, realistically, either act as if there are gods or as if they're aren't. Positing "doubt" as some third position between the two poles of "belief" and "disbelief" is just ridiculous.
"With my understanding of Satanism it would seem pretty unlikely for such a large group of Satanists (in the Priesthood, no less) to buy into something that contradicts Satanism and that particular world view."
The TOV worldview doesn't contradict Satanism; it's the satanic worldview which contradicts Vampirism. The TOV worldview asserts that ALL experience of ANY KIND is real; there is no such thing as "unreal." Satanism, as a materialistic doctrine, denies any reality beyond matter. So, in other words, the TOV accepts certain things as "real" that satanic materialism does not. One of the ways that the TOV gets away with this is a skillful manipulation of the meanings of certain words. For example, the Vampire Gods, who are entities separate from the consciousness of the practitioner, are deemed "carnal" so that they fit within a satanic worldview, which values the material and the carnal. The crux of the issue, however, is that no such entities can possibly exist, and the calling forth of such extrapersonal entities conflicts with standard satanic doctrine.
As for the "wolves in the fold," what do they care about the stupid sheeple that soak up Vampiric doctrine?
-"Hard nosed disbelief is not doubt, however, and is just as dangerous and the same as belief."
-"How so?"
I think it would be foolish to completely lock out possibilities just because I think something is extremely improbable.
The mind is VERY powerful. If I were to hold enough true disbelief in something, my mind has the capability to make those things unseen by my eyes. I personally hold this to be a danger to true logic and skepticism in my own life.
I'll use unicorns as an example -
If I believed in unicorns and had never seen one, that would be founded on pure faith.
If I completely disbelieved in unicorns and said that it was impossible for them to exist beyond a shadow of a doubt, but had not proved to myself through the scientific method that it was truly 100% impossible then I would still be taking (even if a very small part) on faith as well.
I would rather approach EVERYTHING with doubt, rather than disbelief.
It is a preference and a personal decision to consider all possibilities and judge everything according my own reasoning.
-"I very seriously doubt the existence of god."
-"That's disbelief."
I disagree.
Doubt: to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe.
Disbelief: the act of disbelieving; mental rejection of something as untrue.
"Disbelieving in god, however, is another form of belief and is not 'teapot atheism.'"
"Regardless of whatever you mean by "teapot atheism," that statement is pure nonsense. People either believe in gods or they don't. The only possible third position is agnosticism, and agnostics, realistically, either act as if there are gods or as if they're aren't. Positing "doubt" as some third position between the two poles of "belief" and "disbelief" is just ridiculous."
I also disagree here.
Absurd to you or not, the matter is NOT purely black and white / belief or disbelief. There is a third side and that remains pure skepticism. Don't be too quick to say it isn't there just because you have not exercised this.
But there is always a third side, right? :😉:
This may clarify what I mean - It is the position that Bertrand Russell and Richard Dawkins take in their explanation of healthy skepticism and atheism -
Teapot Atheism
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From my understanding there are MANY members of the Priesthood who are not involved with the ToV who, through their own experiences, hold the position that Greater Magic (if done properly) can be a bit more than just transformative psychodrama. Just listen to Magister Harris on Satanism Today when he describes Greater Magic.
My only question this post is -
Maybe you haven't experienced this, but does that make them wrong?
I may not be a member of the CoS yet, but I am certainly a Satanist. I have been down your same line of questioning that you follow here, but with that one element of difference - the position of doubt over disbelief. The intro to the Book of Lucifer says it very well, although I will not attempt to paraphrase Dr. LaVey here.
"The crux of the issue, however, is that no such entities can possibly exist, and the calling forth of such extrapersonal entities conflicts with standard satanic doctrine."
To re-state here, I am really doubtful that such entities do exist, but I can not prove that they do not, and neither can you.
I guess that my only point in posting here is to encourage a bit more of a questioning attitude in both directions.
I doubt and question all things.
You have a right to your opinion; yet, is everything discussed here a total waste of time and of no value?
I have learned some things from this forum as I trust other readers here have.
"its like ppl here have such over grown egos and pretend they are the savior of satanism and the cos. rest assured the cos was fine before you all came along and itll be fine 100 years from now."
As for me, I don't claim to be or think I am a big shot out to save Satanism yet I do have concerns about the Temple I felt like expressing here.
And if the CoS has nothing to worry about this forum or Rupert's site then there should be no problems with what has been said in this forum at all.
And is not every Satanist that defends Satanism against misinformation or accusations of human sacrifice, criminal activity or drug use not acting like a savior of Satanism too?
If Satanism will be OK a hundred years from now then I guess all Satanists can quit wasting their times trying to shoot down all of the LIES about Satanism, yes?
We're actually totally off-topic, because this really isn't a forum for the discussion of atheism or disbelief vs. doubt, but I'll continue anyway.
First off, don't assume anything about my personal position. You don't know me, so don't pretend like you do. (And this is directed at that snide little "don't be too quick to..." comment).
"I think it would be foolish to completely lock out possibilities just because I think something is extremely improbable."
As do I. But if there's no evidence of something, there is no reason to believe it exists.
"The mind is VERY powerful. If I were to hold enough true disbelief in something, my mind has the capability to make those things unseen by my eyes. I personally hold this to be a danger to true logic and skepticism in my own life."
What does that mean? What do you mean by "true disbelief"? Disbelief is simply disbelief. You can disbelieve in something while still remaining open to the possibility (provided enough evidence comes along which proves the existence of the thing in question.)
"Absurd to you or not, the matter is NOT purely black and white / belief or disbelief. There is a third side and that remains pure skepticism. Don't be too quick to say it isn't there just because you have not exercised this."
The matter is ENTIRELY black and white. Either you believe in something or you don't. And it is quite possible to disbelieve and be skeptic at the same time. Skepticism is not some weird intermediary state between belief and disbelief; it's a method for identifying what to believe and what not to BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE EVIDENCE. Thus, because there is no evidence for leprechauns one can reasonably conclude that NO SUCH THINGS EXIST. One can make similiar claims about gods and disembodied Vampiric Gods.(I'm beginning to think we're not on the same page as far as definitions go.)
I'm not going to watch that YouTube video, but I think I know where you're coming from as far as the whole "teapot atheism" goes.
"From my understanding there are MANY members of the Priesthood who are not involved with the ToV who, through their own experiences, hold the position that Greater Magic (if done properly) can be a bit more than just transformative psychodrama. Just listen to Magister Harris on Satanism Today when he describes Greater Magic."
Why are we talking about magic all of a sudden? I don't care if they believe in magic or not; that's their business, not mine. And until I am presented with good objective evidence of the reality of magic, I will continue to disbelieve in it.
"To re-state here, I am really doubtful that such entities do exist, but I can not prove that they do not, and neither can you."
Again, so what? NO ONE CAN PROVE THE NONEXISTENCE OF ANYTHING! Does that mean we should all go out and believe in every imaginary creature under the sun? Of course not. There is no evidence that these things exist, so it's not even worth worrying about. Just as there's no evidence that Vampiric Gods exist, beyond the flimsy anecdotal evidence offered up by the TOV practitioners themselves. (And most of that we can write off as hyperventilation and mental suggestion).
The thing that irks me the most about the TOV (as I have stated elsewhere on this forum) is that the TOV SAYS one thing and DOES quite the other. The TOV motto is "Test Everything, Believe Nothing," but practitioners are REQUIRED to "suspend disbelief" in order to engage in Vampiric Communion. What is suspension of disbelief then? It's nothing more than flat-out belief. You have to BELIEVE in the Vampiric Gods before you can EVER try to call them.
"I am not extremely familiar with the philosophy or the ToV in regards to 'real' and 'unreal,' so I won't get in TOO far playing the devil's advocate in this matter..."
Then why are you acting as "advocatus diaboli"? If you don't understand the situation, even partially, then your opinion is moot.
You are right, I don't know you, but that is basically what you said here, and I was merely responding to what you had written previously -
"Regardless of whatever you mean by "teapot atheism," that statement is pure nonsense. People either believe in gods or they don't. The only possible third position is agnosticism, and agnostics, realistically, either act as if there are gods or as if they're aren't. Positing "doubt" as some third position between the two poles of "belief" and "disbelief" is just ridiculous."
You are obviously very emotional about this subject, I can certainly understand that.
As you stated before, I may have drifted the conversation off topic, but I've already thrown in my two cents.
Thanks for your time.
I may post here again later.
See you back at LttD.
thing is lttd is ventrus, not coss. letnemo pray on idiots who giv ther mony to him for sprtl pipe drems, dey desrv wut dey git. i jus hate 2 C em rise in cos ranks. & rnks not r busness.
fluck vamps. let em stratify themslvs to heck.
And the whole idea of appeasing the Vampire Gods is counter to Satanism as well. TOV practitioners actually believe that they offer up their "life force" to the Undead Gods as a type of sacrifice. Why would a Satanist want to grovel like, even if the practitioners are supposed to Undead Gods who haven't ascended yet. The whole process of Vampiric metamorphosis is dependent on the favor of these "Gods." If they like you and your life force sacrifice, then they'll let you Ascend to join the ranks of the Undead Gods. If they don't like you, then your fate is the same as all the other mortals: death of the physical body and then the second death of the astral body.
WHY any Satanist in his or her right mind would want to be a part of THAT is beyond me.
Hopefully you have ended your affiliation with the pond-fishermen for good.
I'm sure that you have plenty of other things to spend your hard-earned money on!
HS!