Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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Bye now 😉
That essay was written with a specific target in mind. I will not waste my breath mentioning them here. You must consider the period and context within which it was written.
The message is still true today.
The Temple does not claim to be a Satanic group. Any quick examination of the Temple's website will determine there is no claim to the Temple being a Satanic group.
The Church of Satan is the only organization for Real Satanists.
No one is questioning this.
Those who would dare try are foolish.
Plotinus
Titles also signify an increasing expertise. A higher Title is much harder to attain than a lower one. Satanists with Higher Degrees have greater knowledge and authority than those who do not hold them. Water sinks to its own level. This is meritocracy at work.
Some cannot accept the fact that there are those who are superior.
Those who rally against Titles are simply those who do not have them and would not be considered for them in the first place.
Plotinus
Where are these dozens of CoS members who "hate" those who desire to live forever?
Name just one dozen.
Who are you to speak for other CoS members?
What is your Degree?
What is your Title?
Magister Lang came here and set the record straight.
We know who he is and where he stands.
What do we know about you?
Plotinus"
"That essay was written with a specific target in mind. I will not waste my breath mentioning them here. You must consider the period and context within which it was written.
The message is still true today.
The Temple does not claim to be a Satanic group. Any quick examination of the Temple's website will determine there is no claim to the Temple being a Satanic group.
The Church of Satan is the only organization for Real Satanists.
No one is questioning this.
Those who would dare try are foolish.
Plotinus"
Notice the characteristic way of writing? Try going back a few pages. You will find this structure in quite a few posts.
This is either a good indication of brainwashing within the ToV, or it's the same person who's been sock puppeting for 25+ pages.
The question is if Plottie is one of many easily manipulated people shaped into what Nemo views as the perfect member, or if he's been doing a very bad job at pretending to be someone else.
HS!
TY
Hmmm.... something smells fishy with this...
However, the ToV is not associated with the CoS (with the exception of mutual admiration) yet speaking against the ToV is a type of CoS blasphemy????? Uhh... What??? Huh???
Go figure.
HS!
TY"
And here's another one, again bearing certain peculiarities. You will find these in post with different signatures as well.
Quite the hypocrite, wouldn't you say?
You are right. I am not a ToV or CoS member.
I am a Christian. I have been posting here on 25+ pages a bunch of disinformation to bring down both sides. Nearly every post was mine.I think Satanism and Vampirisim are both evil. You can find salvation only in Christ.
Since I've been found out by you, Mr.Sand, I will stop posting.So, it is best to ignore most of the posts on this thread because it is all lies.
I apologize to all COS and TOV members. I just think Jesus is the only way.
Readers please ignore all those posts and make up your mind on the ToV and CoS elsewhere.
Everything here is a lie....lies....all lies!!!
hahahhahahahhahahahahhahah!
Nice job Sand on finding me out.
Fare thee well
Plotinus, Real Satanist, and nearly every post in the last 25+ pages.
ha ha ha ha ha
this thread is c----r----a------z-----y!
Besides, you'll still hang around. Maybe even try to make misleading posts again, attempting to disguise your writing style. And you can't hide the fact that you are yet another ToV goon.
The thread is still going strong.
It's fairly typical of Tov'tards to emulate Nemo's writing style.
It is a fact.
And that cannot be denied.
Fuuuuuuck, I'm doing it myself!
Stop me before my head implodes!
Your friend,
Un-Adept Gabriel / Lu Yang the Liar.
You aren't me. My posts are my own, as are my intentions, though I have said all I need to say for now. You won't take credit or discredit for anything I've posted here.
Your facade has accomplished nothing, whoever you are. Those with eyes to see will find what they need here. In all honesty, I find your "confession" to be complete BS. You're probably an active ToV member who found himself dangerously close to getting caught "breaking Temple Law" and making a pathetic attempt to cover it up.
As for the "both sides" of which you speak, water will seek it's own level. Those who truly know will swim, and the rest will drown in the cesspool they have willingly created around themselves. Maybe "both sides" will fall. So be it. Let the chips fall where they may!
One thing is certain, the Christians will never prevail. God is dead, or haven't you herd?
PS. I love how even the cryonics people are reading this blog. Everything is falling perfectly into place. I can't wait to see what happens next!
PSS. It's ironic how professed vampires want to be "standing by" as part of the cryonics team when the blood is drained from your precious, about-to-be-frozen corpses. Will they make use their super-nifty scientific gadgets, or just simply suck that warm, yummy and delicious human blood out with their little vampire fangs?
The thread is long from dead, despite the desperate wailing that it is so. Plenty of meat on the morsels here and on the links posted. Tear it apart and devour it. In the end, we feast on those who would subdue us.
Nice try, but knowledge about brainwashing techniques will actually make it more evident how the ToV manipulates its members.
Try again.
look at em all clamouring for attention like small children who didnt get a visit from Santa!
Im sure you will get something soon!
😉
feed us!
🧛
Just a friendly reminder for our friends on MoH.
😉
BB was one of the ToV goons trying to disrupt the thread. You actually believed he was who he said he was? I'm surprised such clumsy deception worked on somebody, and I am more inclined to believe you are trying to add to that lie.
"So this proves most of the activity on this thread was generated by one disturbed anti-TOV loon"
It proves nothing. That was a claim, nothing else. You take such things as proof? Sounds like ToV logic to me. Prove nothing, believe everything.
You are welcome to deny any affiliation with the temple of the vampire. But as to proving it... Good luck.
"That leads me to ask you, which side are you on?"
Maybe you should read the thread from the start. I've left a few hints here and there. Skullfarmer thought he figured it out. I wonder if you are that clever.
Oh, and Jacques. Assange is prosecuted for sexual offense, not his internet activities. You didn't think that one through, eh? Do you claim he's being framed by the NSA for leaking all those embarrasments? Maybe the Illuminati did it? Or the ToV?
If you want to threaten anyone,at least read up on internew law (though not the laws of the internet). Try focusing on the implications of Web 2.0 in particular. In the mean time try not to make a fool of yourself.
And patience, please. It's the holidays ffs. The thread has its slow months and fast months.
Then again, most posts saying no new information comes and the thread is dying smells of ToV desperation.
"at least read up on internew law"
That should read "internet law".
Last time I made an error of this magnitude, a plasticfanger was all over it, pointing fingers and howling his victory prematurely. That's their way, in the end.
There. That should hopefully save us from such antics.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/thread/1291942764/Question+for+Robert+Ettinger+on+Eucrio's+legitimacy | http://cryomedical.blogspot.com/2010_09_19_archive.html | http://www.immortalitymedicine.tv/category/cryonics/page/2/ | https://sites.google.com/site/cryonicsfactsheet/scam-8---vampires-david-styles-and-cryonics-institute | http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/thread/1291956071/According+to+Melody+Maxim's+latest+blog+post,+bigotry+is+winning+within+cryonics | http://www.atlantavampirealliance.com/forum/index.php?topic=2173.0 | http://www.templeuvup.org/forum/topics/new-announcement-temple-of-the | http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,64749,page=1 | http://cryomedical.blogspot.com/2010/10/eucrio-cryonics-uk-and-ben-best.html | http://cryomedical.blogspot.com/2010/12/eucrio-deleted-from-cryonics-institutes.html | http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cryonics | https://sites.google.com/site/cryonicsfactsheet/scam-7---eucrio | http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,64749,92169 | http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/thread/1291323917/cryomedical+contact+information | http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/343/suspended_animation_inc_accused_of_incompetence/
Give my regards to David "The Vampire" Styles 😊 He's really making a name for himself these days.
This should clarify a few things for those who still think the Temple of the Vampire and the Church of Satan are compatible.
Spiritual Pipe Dreams.
And lastly, everyone in the ToV priesthood is a liar. Their motto is "Test everything, believe nothing" yet many of the major components of the religion are NOT, in fact, testable.
Have a nice day 😊
Who is in the vampy priesthood then? Do you know which people are priests and sorcerers and adepts? I agree theyre liars sure but I dont know which is which so it would help everyone if someone tells us who has what rank. and How many adepts there are and all that. i wanna know whos lying to me.
i Guess anyone can reply if they know
I know, I already posted this earlier, but the troll tried to bump it off the map.
Later. 😉
You could always lurk on this page and make yourself a list http://www.vampiretemple.com/lifeforce/ubbthreads.php/online.html
"To become a Adept you must show mastery over the both night and day - proof of this is being able to afford a cryonics contract and getting one.'
There must be a tie-in here with the cryonics companies giving some kind of kick-back, an affiliate payment, (a minimum 50% and upward for snagging a recruit in the IM circle-jerk circles) for introducing a new punter to the pay-until-you-drop scheme. Perhaps this is what Styles has negotiated with the bigger 'shiny, scientific' cryonics companies.
Or does the TOV/cryonics connection go further back--date from pre-Styles invovlement?"
Christianity has done much more harm to humanity over generations, and I don't see anyone here badmouthing them! When did it become O.K. to pick on a minority religion?
P-l-e-a-s-e. It is a new year. Time to grow up and attempt to behave like mature adults.
It is obvious you haven't bothered reading the entire thread, or you would know why some of the more outspoken people here are against the ToV.
"Some people believe in the bible and the ten commandments and others believe in vampire bibles and cryonics. So what? Who decides what minority religion is to be picked on?"
The cult has rubbed a lot of people here the wrong way. Again, you would know this if you had read all 108 pages.
"Christianity has done much more harm to humanity over generations, and I don't see anyone here badmouthing them! When did it become O.K. to pick on a minority religion?"
People has been airing their contempt of christianity from early on. I think you missed that when you skimmed the posts here.
"P-l-e-a-s-e. It is a new year. Time to grow up and attempt to behave like mature adults."
Ah, yes. It's the old "You are all childish" routine again. Where have I heard that one before? Hmmm...
What say you, gentlemen? Is this another ToV sockpuppet? Sure smells like it.
It is quite obvious, that the temple of the vampire still hang around here, although being a bit more cautious than before. Even BB couldn't resist the temptation to write again.
http://www.imminst.org/forum/topic/44531-conference-pictures/page__p__436026__hl__eucrio__fromsearch__1#entry436026
http://www.imminst.org/forum/topic/43470-cryonics-staff-currently-hiring-across-europe/page__p__427187__hl__eucrio__fromsearch__1#entry427187
http://www.imminst.org/forum/topic/40348-about-one-of-the-directors/page__p__399428__fromsearch__1#entry399428
"Eric Michael - I remember you. You are also one of the little fools calling yourself a "vampire"! 'UmbraeNoctem', is it?"
http://thelifeofmanquamanonearth.blogspot.com/2010/11/httpforum.html
http://www.softmachines.org/wordpress/?p=958
http://lesswrong.com/lw/3a6/moderation_of_apparent_trolling/?sort=top
http://forum.i-lifegroup.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=568
http://vimeo.com/17028371
http://lesswrong.com/user/RichieKGB/
http://twitter.com/VampireNews/status/9639136814170113
http://www.the600club.com/topic28487-1.html
http://cryomedical.blogspot.com/2010/12/ben-bests-lame-excuses.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1292280993/Re-+vampires+on+Futurist+forum
http://www.r3ok.com/index.php?topic=1560.0
None work!
What a waste of my time.
Quote "I might add, that those who are against cryonics tend to be the ones that can't afford it."
It's more about NOT spending thousands of dollars on snake oil and pseudo science and investing in your REAL LIFE. Cryonics is nothing more than a con game.
But please feel free to have your corpse frozen. Not that it's going to do any good for you. No one is going to bring you back from the dead. It's your money though. Invest in your spiritual pipe dream all you want.
Quote: "These vampires are not bothering anyone."
Really? You've obviously never been involved with them. They are getting exactly what they deserve.
Quote "..then perhaps those who criticize them should take a good look in the mirror."
I saw an Undead God in my mirror, just today, and he told me you are full of shit. He also confirmed that cryonics is a scam. Are you questioning the Wisdom of the Undead Gods?
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! What a joke!!!!!!!!
so if you had a bad tov experience say it right now so its like all fast to find. talk about pressure from adepts and intimidation. talk about any illegal activity you saw or heard of. talk about all the cult crap that happened to you and why you left or what made you afraid and how they threatened you. then when its all here and we got enuf we can send it to the gilmores and let em know what tov really is so they wil cut it off like the cancer it is.
if its bad enouh we can send it to the cops & watchdog groups too. end this cult.
I think the truth is that all the anti-ToV messages are by one person.
This is probably true. That is something to consider when lurking here.
Everyone knows nearly every post antagonistic toward the tov was written by one disgruntled ex-member with mental issues. He is using different names to stir crap up.
The reason this person and the other two that post here feel that way is because they don't have what it takes.
It's like the poor bully that sees the kid a new shiny toy, and wants to break it because he doesn't have one.
That's just stratification at work. There are those who can and those who can\t.
So is this claim going to discredit everything said here--NO.
Nice try... *rolls eyes*
I've pointed out, that a number of posts bear similarities in choice of words, structure, etc. You have either not read things in their entirety, lack the ability to understand or is simply playing dumb.
Gabriel has pointed out as well, that some ToV members mimic Nemo's style of writing.
You can also spot Styles due to his fondness of the "cost of fine dining" argument.
"I think the truth is that all the anti-ToV messages are by one person.
This is probably true. That is something to consider when lurking here."
I think that is yet another ToV goon trying to discredit critical posts. The tactic didn't work before. It still doesn't. Using the same lame argument over and over only serves to put you in a bad light.
"@Nancy
Everyone knows nearly every post antagonistic toward the tov was written by one disgruntled ex-member with mental issues. He is using different names to stir crap up."
Styles has himself put names on two of the posters here. And there is a fair amount of disgruntled ex-members posting here as well. Not just one.
Accusing Gabriel of having mental issues was a strategy used repeatedly earlier on. I guess you are running out of ideas by now.
"The reason this person and the other two that post here feel that way is because they don't have what it takes."
And THAT is an argument heard from verified temple members on a regular basis. Thanks.
"It's like the poor bully that sees the kid a new shiny toy, and wants to break it because he doesn't have one."
Interesting analogy. I guess some past experience makes you so desperate for empowerment. That would make you susceptible to manipulation.
"That's just stratification at work. There are those who can and those who can\t."
Yet more ToV jargon. You are either a temple of the vampire member or a clever troll.
Pro ToV arguments are getting worn out by now. Accusations of mental issues, accusations of it being one or very few people speaking against ToV under different aliases, accusation of lying, not to mention claims that the battle is won and the thread is dying... The list goes on. Look back to the earlier attempts if you don't believe me. The pattern is clear and only verifies our claims of the nature of temple members.
Cryonics As Religion by George Smith
Quote (George Smith): "A few weeks ago, Professor Ettinger reviewed a "portion of the discussion" regarding the concept of using religion as a model for "outreach", to help grow the cryonics movement. The concern I have read in the Cryonet regarding the issue of avoiding the appearance of legal fraud and not misleading cryonics prospects with imbalanced information is valid. But, as Professor Ettinger wrote, "A religion is free to make dogmatic assertions without objective evidence." These words bear deep consideration, in my opinion."
Quote (George Smith): "My point is that a religion of Immortalism would be well-served to model this approach. No need to buy or build expensive church buildings. Rent hotel rooms for meetings and form local "chat groups" (the resonance to Internet chat groups is clear here). I would suggest that members of Immortalism could keep their "basic" religious beliefs but add the promise of survival and transcendence."
Quote (George Smith): "But, it is pointless to proselytize for a religion not yet created. (Besides, if you are signed up for cryonic suspension, this is quite literally "preaching to the choir"). What I wanted to do here was to point out that Immortalism could, with relatively little effort, come out of the scientific closet and function as a rather powerful religion."
Interesting isn't it? You sign up to learn vampirism and get tricked into signing up for cryonics instead! You never become a vampire at all. Welcome to the real world. You are all being lied to, manipulated, and used.
Let's reword a quote in that manner and see if it becomes any clearer..
Modified Quote: "My point is that a religion of Vampirism would be well-served to model this approach. No need to buy or build expensive church buildings. Rent hotel rooms for meetings and form local "chat groups" (the resonance to Internet chat groups is clear here). I would suggest that members of Vampirism could keep their "basic" religious beliefs but add the promise of survival and transcendence."
Get it yet?
Would you be so kind as to contact me?
My contact address can be found elsewhere in this thread. Thanks.
(And to the morons using my name - you fool no one. I ceased to post here a while ago).
Your friend,
Un-Adept Gabriel.