Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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You have just re-written something that's been written before and is common knowledge. It's even on my website. What's the point? To make yourself look like someone who has some spanking new info?
Jeez...
Un-Adept Gabriel.
you're a moron. You're a stupid idiot trying to make a name for himself with dumb lies.
Gabriel hit the nail on the head.
Your friend,
Un-Adept Gabriel.
And it says a lot that loons like the Temple of Set that Nemo was even kookier than they are!
-loser in topeka
Seeker. Do your own work, you freeloader! The nerve of some who think they should be spoon fed everything. You are as stupid as Priest Clements.
What is up with all the retards suddenly?
GTFO!
I listened to Nemo on Art Bell and was intrigued by much of what he said. I agree with many things he said.
It sounds like there may be something to this Vampire Temple after all.
I have a question for members, if someone joins the Temple, can they remain in the first level indefinitely? Or are they forced to move to the higher levels like priesthood and adept?
Thanks.
UFO's
Sounds Of Hell
New World Order
Bigfoot
Conspiracy Theorys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell
ToV will try anything to muddy the waters - well you might as well not bother - we know the truth.
HS!
Magister Lang
A most amusing thread and it just so happens that I am practicing for the Iditarod.
HS!
Magister Lang
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Troll detected...
Or is it?
/ponder
And it says a lot that loons like the Temple of Set that Nemo was even kookier than they are!
-loser in topeka"
I do not participate here yet had to clear the misinformation this one time.
What do you mean by "ORIGINAL COS"?
While the legacy of the COS under High Priesthood of Anton LaVey is unquestionable, there is no doubt the Church had a quieter period that began in the late late '70s.
The late '70s and early to mid '80s were a time of little activity within Church. During this low period, Dr.LaVey allowed dead weight losers to mismanage the Church but fortunately High Priestess Barton's arrival ushered in a new age of organizational productivity.
After the death of Dr.LaVey, the wise Magistra Barton named Magus Gilmore our new High Priest.
Since Magus Gilmore's appointment as High Priest, the COS has enjoyed a wonderful renaissance.
We have never been stronger.
Stay tuned.
All true Satanists would be wise to avoid this message board. Leave this thread to the losers.
HS
Real Satanist
Nemo couldn't cut it in the ORIGINAL COS.
Which means when Dr. LaVey was alive.
I don't give a shit about your "hierarchy" now and who was promoted by whom and when.
If I want that kind of childish crap I'll go find a martial arts school, where this kind of "hierarchy" fighting comes with the territory.
Gilmore & friends = new COS
Anton LaVey = original COS.
If you don't like the way I look at it too fucking bad.
How about some FACTS that dispute Nemo's role then? The first time he was in?
Not OPINION, but fact.
-loser
You state that Magister Nemo arrived on the scene after the death of Dr.LaVey.
You are a liar.
Nemo was appointed to the Priesthood of Mendes by Dr.LaVey. Nemo was awarded the Degree of Magister by Dr.LaVey. Dr.LaVey recognized Magister Nemo as a true peer.
So much for your petty argument attempting to blemish the authentic superior lineage of Magister Nemo's Priesthood as willed by Pope LaVey.
Go change your Depends.
HS
HT
Real Satanist
Were you there when Smith was made into a Magister?
Were you present when Dr LaVey said to Smith "I like your Vampire Temple. Carry on, old boy!"?
This thread has been a mountain of negative propaganda with misinformation that doesn't check with facts. I'd suggest the morons that started this rant know what they are speaking of, instead of vomiting trash that is obviously born of their own incompetence.
So, I'll leave you folks now and get back to the Iditarod practice and let you folks get back to wasting your productive time ranting about others clearly more productive than yourselves.
To the real Satanists here who took it upon yourself to defend Magister Nemo's reputation here, I salute you! That kind of fierce loyalty is rare these days. Don't feel like you have to do this kind of thing though, we've been around long enough to not care about this kind of behaviour.We have a very thick skin. You'd be best to go out there and create something in your best interest and potentially piss even more folks off. Hell, you could have your very own thread about you like this one. Yeah!
HS!
Magister Lang
(Canadian contact)
Church of Satan
Order of Fenriz
We are honored to have Magister Lang take a moment from his busy schedule to once and for all clear the air of the cobwebs of deceit that permeate this thread.
I guess this takes the wind of the sails of those supposed "Satanists" who imagine some supposed friction between the COS and TOV.
There is none.
Both organizations prosper and will continue to do so.
My job here is done.
Farewell.
HS
HT
The Real Satanist
http://www.churchofsatan.com
http://www.vampiretemple.com
HS!
So, tell me, did you know that Nemo was a very avid fan of Good Ol' Set back in the day? Have you even read his "vampire bibles"? If so, have you compared it to the teachings of the Temple of Set?
I suggest you do so.
You might be surprised.
Yours,
Mofo.
NO Dr. LaVey did NOT support the TOV.
Yes, he CAME BACK when Dr. LaVey was still alive; but you need to look into that a bit further than you have to see what REALLY happened.
Here's a hint: What Nemo SAYS happened is NOT what happened.
Dig a LITTLE deeper Magister Lang and RS. And don't use Nemo or TOV supporters to get the story either. Go back further.
Granted, the people may not take to you and talk to you. When Barton began to get power a lot of people scooted or were "suggested" to leave.
And great golly gee! Who shows back up on the scene? George C. Smith and his frickin' Pylon from the Temple of Set.
You know, the same Temple of Set that thinks Satan is real, and the same Temple of Set that some of the Hierarchy of the CURRENT C/S couldn't hack it inside like Gilmore.
Any more pieces of the puzzle falling into place yet?
And for all of you who were THERE when Dr. Layvey was alive, care to tell us what HE (not what Nemo SAYS he SAYS) thought of the TOV?
Hmmm? We are all patiently waiting.
By the way since we are on the subject.
Wanna ask Gilmore what he ORIGINALLY thought of the Temple of Set?
And ask Nemo why his pylon, I mean "undead gods" didn't tell him the TOS was a cult for christs sakes.
I wonder what Patricia Hardy thinks of Nemo stealing her "cube" teachings for his Vampire Adept Bible?
-loser
So Magister Lang, you have started the Order of Fenriz based on your interest in early Germanic studies?
So now COS Magisters also start "Orders?"
Ah?
I find it fascinating how the new COS combs the Temple of Set for inspiration!
Patricia Hardy's "cube" teachings?
Where are they from? I'm pretty familiar with ToS material and have never heard of them.
Please cite a source.
It's the first time I hear of the material from the Vampire Adept Bible being drawn from a source outside Nemo.
Thanks
Nemo changed the names of course.
-loser
I searched through the Ruby Tablet and all I could find resembling the cube in the Vampire Adept Bible is a line graphic of a cube in the Keystone article. The material discussed, other than the mention of the word 'hypercube' twice has nothing to do with Nemo's cube. It takes quite a stretch of the imagination to find common ground between the two subjects. If I am wrong, please cite specific passages from your source.
There you will find the origin of Nemo's "adept bible".
I did. I searched those terms. There is nothing in there that relates to Nemo's Cube. The closest would be the Keystone article and it would take a gigantic stretch of the imaginative faculty to connect that with Nemo's cube.
Be more specific.
Which article?
I think this is a case of seeing a drawing of a cube and the word "hypercube" and "trapezohedron" all in one place and just assuming Nemo took it from there.
Poor accusation.
I guess the ToS must be doing something right.
Perhaps it would be best to go directly to the source!
😉
The Red Skull has the Cosmic Cube.
In fact, there is a Baron Zemo in Captain America's rogue gallery.
Nemo sounds like Zemo.
There is a Cosmic Cube and a Baron Zemo in Captain America comics......this must mean Nemo got his name and the cube concept from there!
Truth be told,
The secret is out!
Someone tell Stan Lee!
The truth of the lie is that there are no vampires.
It's funny how the topic of the ToV being a hoax has been swayed from it's original purpose.
Since all the big-wigs are here.. Tell us again how, exactly, we can become physically immortal by following ToV doctrines. Inquiring minds want to know! How can buying the Vampire Bible make me an immortal vampire who will live forever physically and be a god amongst men?
Cryonics doesn't count, since it's only wishful thinking, at best. No one has ever been brought back to life. Cryonics is not physical immortality because the body is dead, so try again.
From what I've been reading online, cryonics is being practiced and directed by some individuals with no formal medical training (?) And you think that someone whose body was 'prepared' for their 'next life' by a hack is going to miraculously be brought back to life? Think again.
How about Nightside Immortality? It seems to me that you're all aging and getting older. So what is the difference between your own aging and that of a.. ahem.. human being?
And since you're aging, aka dying, how can you know for certain that when you die you are going to become a ghost-eater in order to live forever as an Undead God?
Personal attacks are probably all you have left. The real truth is, you got nothing on the posters here. We called you out on your bogus claims, and you haven't yet delivered the goods.
And the CoS members that came over here to 'fly the colors?' You do the typical thing, actually. Tell us again how inferior we are!!! Really. How's your Goodguy Badge doing?
The truth of 'the lie' is that there are no vampires.
Bye now 😊
What is your problem?
Magister Lang of the Church of Satan, took time to address the situation *personally* on this thread. Magister Lang is an actual member of the Satanic Priesthood and as such his authority is unquestionable.
The situation has been laid to rest once and for all. There is no conflict between the CoS and ToV.. Why kick a dead dog?
Mattew Iknonen. No one cares about the Warlock's Handbook. Nobody knows who you are. Nobody cares.
Go troll and indulge in the enjoyment of typing your name over and over again elsewhere! Go away!
Cryonics is the best possible hope we have for extending our physical lives. The odds are that the technology will be there soon. How can someone who claims to want to live forever not completely accept the opportunity cryonics represents? Clearly those who do not see cryonics as a meaningful option do not want to live forever.
What is wrong is stating this?
The Vampire Bible is a passport to immortality. It is not an end in itself but a beginning.
Plotinus
With all-do-respect, Magister Lang only appeared here to defend his Relationship/Title with the ToV.
Since he was exposed as a member of the PoM who openly endorses the ToV but doesn't actually participate in their cult, he was compelled to use his CoS position to try and "clear the air".
Also, just to remind you, Magister Lang has no Authority here.
"The TOV has many members of the COS within its organization as well as others from various backgrounds. That organization likes to experiment with certain concepts, that mainly being the possibility of prolonging ones life."
The only reason the ToV has members of the CoS within it's organization is because people like you blindly use your titles to promote it. Granted, even I have a certain admiration for you (Magister Lang), with all you have done within the CoS your influence is great and could easily sway an new member with your affiliations.
Stop abusing your influence!
Experimenting with certain concepts is fine, when they are that of Germanic studies or maybe a Faustian existence. How do you justify signing a lifelong oath to the Undead Gods and being lead into an organization that claims to be "Vampiric" and introduces studies that may seem harmless until the point in which you are blindsided with the "Cryonics" glass ceiling.
I'm sorry but you have failed to justify the compatibility issue.
I'm disappointed to see that you consider energy draining, Out of Body Experiences, Hyperventilating into a mirror, the thought of freezing your dead body in hopes of a future revival a productive way to spend ones valuable life.
These are all pipedreams!
Let me ask you this....if AZL was so supportive of the ToV, why isn't he Cryonically preserved?
"To the real Satanists here who took it upon yourself to defend Magister Nemo's reputation here, I salute you!"
You are the only "real Satanist" here that has defended Nemo....at least we thought you were.
"That kind of fierce loyalty is rare these days."
No it's not, that's why you endorse the ToV and may or may not have been compensated for it.
"Don't feel like you have to do this kind of thing though, we've been around long enough to not care about this kind of behaviour"
You sure did care enough to come here Magister....by the way, what would your next CoS promotion put you at?
"You'd be best to go out there and create something in your best interest and potentially piss even more folks off. Hell, you could have your very own thread about you like this one. Yeah!"
Thanks for the advice Magister but for the time being some of us CoS members, some of us not, choose to stay here and fight for this cause.
Good luck in the Iditarod!
I want a refund!!!! All those paypal charges could easily be reversed. Just put the money back into my bank account. Then I could forget about you and your lies once and for all. ToV did not provide that which was 'promised,' and I could not make informed decisions because the information was always hidden.
On top of it, several of the 'adepts' on the forums were complete jerks, and I could see no rational reason to pay money for such shoddy services.
I also have documentation verifying that I hold certain titles within the ToV as well. These titles were then conveniently removed when I opted to cancel my online subscription to the message board. But that was not the deal when I joined.
Since those contracts have been voided by the organization, I should be refunded for all application fees as well. And yes, these documents issuing titles are signed by the administration.
And cryonics? It's little more than a spiritual pipe dream cloaked in pseudo science. It's based on faith, hope, and upon technologies that don't exist.
But ToV is also selling cryonics as physical immortality. And, with at least one of their adepts known to be running a cryonics business, it's no wonder it's a requirement for advancement. Just keep the scam going and the money coming in.
The Undead will make it all worthwhile after you die. And the Gates of Heaven will open wide to embrace all Ye faithful.
Forex Scam?
http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/review/www.forex-trading-made-ez.com
Anger Cure
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.announce/tree/browse_frm/month/1998-07/75d97b8199ff053d?rnum=11&_done=/group/sci.psychology.announce/browse_frm/month/1998-07?&pli=1
Cryonics
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=10008
http://www.quantium.plus.com/lr/lr70.htm
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?sort=rank&sstr=netcom&start=1021
http://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_results.aspx?search_type=simple&criteria=all&name_type=contains&name;=&ubi=602006209
You clearly have no standing within the Church of Satan as others have made note of. You are only just a Registered Member and not a Real member of the organization.
Everything you yell about should be interpreted in this light.
You are an outsider looking in, possessing no true understanding.
You disrespect the authority and dignity of Magister Lang, proving yourself to be not a Satanist.
You rant against the Temple of the Vampire because you rage against what is beyond your feeble grasp.
This is expected.
Humans like you are taken into the account of the Great Equation.
It is of no concern.
@anonymous
The Undead Gods move in mysterious ways. Sometimes they may notice that a human has penetrated our midst. They will apply their Wills and that person will find himself outside the Temple quite suddenly. The person in this situation will trick himself into thinking ill of the Temple. This is because his weak ego cannot accept the reality that he is not a vampire and only a human. Your feelings are normal and are not unique. They will subside in time. Accept what you are and move on. This is a common experience. More common than we would like to think as the Teachings reach a greater number of people. The Undead Gods purposely eradicate unsuitable people from the Temple in this manner. This is another safeguard. Your post here is proof positive that is effective.
Plotinos
Yes. Your links demonstrate this Nemo person is a man of great accomplishment and high intellect. Perhaps it would be wise to listen to what this successful man is talking about.
Plotinus
I enjoyed your postings. I am a CoS member( waiting on my active application to get processed :( ) and am curious about the ToV. I have some questions if you dont mind. I have a copy of the V. Bible. I would ask directly but want to remain anonymous and not look dumb. Maybe this questions is common knowledge amongst all CoS members.
1) How often should I practice Communion?
is once a day too much?
2) How old are the Undead Gods? Who was the first? Do they have a leader?
3) Is the Dragon an entity that communicates with the Undead Gods or is it totally independent?
Is there a seperite kind of Communion to commune with the Dragon in the other Bibles? Or is the same Communion used?
grateful for your answers.
Joe
To amswer your questions:
Communion is basically hyperventilating in a dark room in front of a mirror. So it accomplishes nothing. Do not waste your time.
The Undead [ie. the Smith family] are not that old. George Nemo Smith and his wife arein their late sixties.
There are dozens of members of the Church of Satan that I know personally who all wish the ToV would simply go its own way and that the C/S would purge all of its non-Atheist pretenders.
Speaking on behalf of dozens of C/S members, ranked and unranked: we hate you, you are not Satanists, you are pseudo-Satanic morons who have no place in our religion or our founding organization regardless of whether or not "Nemo" is buddy-buddy with Gilmore.
Gilmore has no right to run our religion into the ground. He needs to admit his responsibility and face this problem squarely or there will be a massive schism.
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Your words demonstrate you are not a Real Satanist.
Where are these dozens of CoS members who "hate" those who desire to live forever?
Name just one dozen.
Who are you to speak for other CoS members?
What is your Degree?
What is your Title?
Magister Lang came here and set the record straight.
We know who he is and where he stands.
What do we know about you?
Plotinus
I enjoyed your postings. I am a CoS member( waiting on my active application to get processed :( ) and am curious about the ToV. I have some questions if you dont mind. I have a copy of the V. Bible. I would ask directly but want to remain anonymous and not look dumb. Maybe this questions is common knowledge amongst all CoS members.
1) How often should I practice Communion?
is once a day too much?
2) How old are the Undead Gods? Who was the first? Do they have a leader?
3) Is the Dragon an entity that communicates with the Undead Gods or is it totally independent?
Is there a seperite kind of Communion to commune with the Dragon in the other Bibles? Or is the same Communion used?
grateful for your answers.
Joe"
Joe, If you are sincerely interested in knowing the answers to these important questions, I direct you to http://www.vampiretemple.com
All the answers are there.
You should be aware that such questions do not come to the average person. They may arise due to a deeper calling, perhaps from the Blood.
Only you can determine if this is so.
Never believe anything until you have proved it to be true for yourself.
Plotinus
http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/PseudoS.html
Quote "They're out there! They sometimes wear pentagrams. They sometimes wear black. They often claim to be Satanists."
Quote "I'm talking about sheep in wolve's clothing. I'm referring to cult groups who claim to be Satanists but act just like the most dedicated Christian fanatics! I am talking about White Light Mystics who use Satanic trappings. They are out there and they are dangerous!"
Quote "One final test of the authenticity of any Satanic versus pseudo-Satanic group is the question of authority versus reason. White Light occult groups have traditionally followed a very militaristic ranking system with many degrees and honorific titles signifying