Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
Comments
An inexpensive DNA archival kit will satisfy the physical commitment requirement to enter the priesthood?
Someone please explain this. This is important to the arguments here.
That post by Nemo/ToV Administration was years ago.
The Temple require a cryonics contract NOW (as can be seen from the Lifeforce threads posted by Gabriel), though, as I stated above, back in the days of yore a simple DNA archival was enough for the priesthood.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1291942764/Question+for+Robert+Ettinger+on+Eucrio's+legitimacy
This shit is going down well.
What is your point though regarding "vast demographic" I did not get it? Are you implying an overindulgence of Lifeforce?
I am a little dense.
Kindly contact me at my email address .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) if you are interested. Thank you.
Eternally,
Emerald
It seems like the gag order is done with???...I'm sure they are watching this board 24/7 watching and waiting to see.......what happens.....next!!!!!
Emerald,
Can you answer the question posted by Mego above, as you seem to be in the know???
It is not answered on the Temple website!!!
Eternally,
Emerald
I am unable to discuss anything Temple related with those who are not members of the Temple.
If you have a sincere interest in the Temple, I can point you in the right direction and let you make your own decision as to whether the Temple is for you or not.
Please contact me at my email address which was posted earlier. Thank you for your interest.
Eternally,
Emerald
What is your perspective on the ToV????
What good have you gotten of it???
and the million dollar question.....
is a cryonics contract needed to enter the Priesthood?
YES/NO?????????// which???
This is the question that needs to be put to rest by a ToV member!!!
I am however a member of the CoS and a size 16 (18 when this picture was taken). So, if you want to bash or make fun of me for that, please do. I won't care, but do try to get your facts straight before you start posting picture of people you obviously don't know much if anything about.
why do you not want to join the Temple of the Vampires?
Do you think the TOV is compatible with Satanism?
Have you read the vampires bibles?
What do you think about the undead gods? Do they come to you?
Is the COS also monitoring this message board?
What do you think about cryonics?
Have you also been pressured to purchase a cryonics contract and join the TOV by your TOV "friends." Sorry, I sense your desire to distance yourself from these people and don't blame you from emphasizing the fact that you are not a member.
No concerns here!
I'm disapointed that Emerald did not answer my cryonics question and settle this debate once and for all.
When will Magus Gilmore make a statement on this?
Why?
Im all for the cause/questions but if you have dragged unnecessary people into this - its a bit far.
I apologise for them Hydra - theres A lot of emotion here - if you are who you say your are please understand they seek answers not malice.
If you could help with some of these answers it would be very useful.
Why dont ya post some top secret lifeforce or undead god stuff?
I wanna read a post about nemo talking to the undead gods or jumpin from body to body.
freak us all out, give us a show!
the more bizarro the better!
they say america runs on dunkin'.
i think it should be america runs on dunkin' and the museum of hoaxes tov thread!
To those who wish to extort information from CoS Member Hydra please read her above statement and reread it until it sinks into your much of a brain that she doesn't have any answers. Why you would believe she does just because some asshole decided to show her pic is beyond me.
I think that such an action shows that you people are probably a few teenagers who couldn't cut it. I have seen more maturity in a daycare than I have here.
this is just the kinda stuff the ToV people will pull off to try and nonsense up the issue.
Is Godfrey trying to protect his cult by posting miss-information to discredit?
Well if you did - you just pissed off someone in a organisation that was potentially sympathetic to ToV.
I am sure Hydra is intelligent enough to see through it too.
Smoke and mirrors
masquerade painted onto a deception
And it seems the gag order is indeed ignored. So much for controlling the herd.
I think Godfrey is a non-priesthood ToV member who posted the pictures in order to stir things up and get ToV members to respond here. Godfrey was likely one of the "hidden heroes" of low level members who posted here before...
Godfrey is upset that the higher ups in the ToV are not responding to the questions here and his posting of the private pictures were his "way" of getting others involved as he feels they should.
It seems Godfrey picked Emerald because he/she does not like Emerald or wanted Emerald specifically to respond.
The picture posted pushed buttons and responses were instantly had...vampires are apparently as emotionally reactive to external stimuli as are humans!
Im sure Emerald got her wrist slapped by the undead gods for reacting so humanly and posting here and ignoring the gag order.
People will continue to join the ToV like Godfrey, because they want to believe.
I wonder how the pre-cryonics requirements vampire adepts...who are still around..feel about all this? are they looked down upon because they have no cryonics contract? are they lesser adepts?
What her reactionary postings here confirm is that the ToV is monitoring the posts here at all times. The CoS higher ups are likely watching as well.
While someone earlier stated that the CoS is making money of the ToV, yes, that is true. But the relationship is not the same as it was a decade ago. The CoS is growing again at an unprecedented rate. What this means is that the money generated by the ToV is not as significant as it was before....the CoS does not need the ToV.
That is why the ToV is worried.
This is why they are watching and are very concerned.
They are also likely concerned with the CoS watching more than they are about Lu Yang and the others here.
Peter and Peggy do not want the CoS(which they own BTW) to be associated with cryonics and "undead gods" or anything that can be called a scam. The more doo-doo stirred up here the sooner they will have to purge the vampires before "cryonics" and "undead gods" become buzz words associated with the CoS.
Not good for business.
Not good for the brand.
The Mangy Magister
Fact: The damage is already done. Sad but true.
The support of the ToV was a "human" mistake.
However, nobody is perfect and that includes organizations (collective egos).
HAPPENING NOW!
The COS Priesthood VS LIGUASCELESTA!!!!!!
At last!!! Will Nemo jump in? See? Everyone is reading this board!
I raise a toast to the brave COS Priesthood for at last not taking it sitting down and standing up for Dr.LaVey's legacy against the TOV.
I hope the moderators don't kill and remove the thread!
Enjoy 😉
You can also contact the Temple of the Vampire from that site
http://www.vampiretemple.com/
Do you really think anyone would inquire further after reading about that Linguascelesta clown?
He's a genuine embarrassment to your religion.
I'm amazed his Church of Satan membership hasn't been revoked by now.
Things are changing soon.
😉
why doesn't the website state you need an expensive cryonics contract to advance?
What if you actually got something positive and beneficial out of this "Temple"?
Children, everywhere, with an ax to grind until something else comes along.
That's because you haven't looked hard enough...or met the prick in person.
One afternoon with him will leave you full of feelings of scorn and loathing. Trust me.
The Man.
Since posting the link to that thread on LttD, it has received over 150+ views!
The thread has been locked as expected. I suspect it may soon be deleted. So view soon!
My account has been shut down on LttD, can someone else resurrect another thread? I have another "sleeper" account on LttD but want to keep it until I have something juicy.
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256071#Post256071
View it before the Church of Satan moderators remove the thread. I am happy to know there are members of the Priesthood who will stand up against the lunacy that is the Temple of the Vampire.
My gripe with the Temple is that they advertise that they are into all this nightside occult stuff and get good people to join. I know some good Satanists who joined like me and were suckered.
Out of the blue you get told you need to purchase an expensive cryonics contract(which you have no interest in)to get to the "Higher Teachings."
Then they pressure you again and again to buy a 30k+ cryonics contract because if you dont then you are not "walking the walk" and not worthy of the "higher teachings."
This is Lesser Magic by Satanists on Satanists!
I quit at that point but others are persuaded to agree to a belief they did not have before(that cryonics is something they want.)
After two years of being part of the group and buying into the undead gods, life force, and being a vampire predator, you start assimilating the group-think even if you don't want to.
Suddenly you start thinking that maybe cryonics is good because the other vampires think so.
This is cult brainwashing.
The CoS has never once attempted to brainwash me or try to force me to accept beliefs I did not hold.
__ The ToV is pulling the old "bait-and-switch" on all who join.__
They have to!
If they were honest and mentioned cryonics on their main site they would get zero new members.
Don't be tricked by the false vampires.
Shame on Magus Gilmore for allowing Lesser Magic to be practiced on Satanists by permitting these con men to advertise on their turf.
TY
J R
"FYI Emerald is a ToV Adept. I still consider her a friend. She is a good person.
What her reactionary postings here confirm is that the ToV is monitoring the posts here at all times. The CoS higher ups are likely watching as well.
While someone earlier stated that the CoS is making money of the ToV, yes, that is true. But the relationship is not the same as it was a decade ago. The CoS is growing again at an unprecedented rate. What this means is that the money generated by the ToV is not as significant as it was before....the CoS does not need the ToV.
That is why the ToV is worried.
This is why they are watching and are very concerned.
They are also likely concerned with the CoS watching more than they are about Lu Yang and the others here.
Peter and Peggy do not want the CoS(which they own BTW) to be associated with cryonics and "undead gods" or anything that can be called a scam. The more doo-doo stirred up here the sooner they will have to purge the vampires before "cryonics" and "undead gods" become buzz words associated with the CoS.
Not good for business.
Not good for the brand.
The Mangy Magister"
Church of Satan Priesthood VS Liguascelesta
Read it before the thread is removed!
Thread had only 350 reads when link was first posted and now it is over 540! Let's get it to 700 reads by tonight!
They found Nemo On Art Bells show spewing Immortality Bullshit.
"Further rummaging on the interwebs reveals an old radio interview with the elusive Nemo:
http://www.sanguinarius.org/audio/c2c - 2003-10-25 - h4 - AB - Nemo - Vampires [1of2].mp3
http://www.sanguinarius.org/audio/c2c - 2003-10-25 - h5 - AB - Nemo - Vampires [2of2].mp3
This vampire cult business just gets weirder and weirder."
More Here - http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-3926.html
I love Arts quote - "Im trying to learn (natruely) as much as I can about Vampirism and im trying not to make too many jokes - But - Its really hard"!
>>Islam requires submission to god, ToV doesn't
2) It IS a blatant money making scheme. Nemo makes a cool 60-70k a year off his business (do the math), he has no need to work for a living as he just sits in his house all day selling his books.
>>>Good he works hard for the Temple and deserves every penny of it. No Satanist or Vampire worth their salt is going to begrudge the man his money.
3) Right so that's fine, all religion is a business, der... but what he's selling is what's in question. He provides no proof for his vampire mythology. He claims that the organization is the successor of ancient religions and claim that ancient gods actually instructed people to get them "Lifeforce". This claim has never been referenced and is no where found in history. Read for yourself and find out.
>> This is how I know you're bullshit sir. As has been repeatedly stress the onus of proving anything relies squarely on the practicioner. Believe NOTHING Test EVERYTHING. A real Adept would know this and understand it. You are a liar.
4) In order to elevate yourself in the organization you have to pay $50. Confirmed by Nemo, you don't have to actually practice communion and all that other stuff, as the confirmation of you being a practicing Vampire is on YOUR testimony. Buying your way to "Vampire Adept" really is as easy as forking out the cash. Now tell me, is that the workings of an elitist secret society, or a money making scheme?
>>Would you rather it be free so every Tom Dick and Harry who is even mildly curious wander in and disrupt those studying in earnest? There is a reason why University costs money and there is a reason why the Temple costs money. If you haven't realized that nothing worthwhile in this world is free you are still mentally a child. The Temple is for adults.
5) All activities performed by Vampires within the temple are for the metaphysical benefit of the founder... Nemo. In the vampire bible, it is described that with communion, one has the ability to "give" lifeforce to the "Undead Gods". These gods are actually just Nemo and his family. Claimed for the intent of them collecting the lifeforce during their astral projection, and also for when they die.
>> You talk much about the Temple not being able to prove extraordinary claims yet without these extraordinary claims you final accusation is baseless.
NEXT!
>>Islam requires submission to god, ToV doesn't
The ToV requires submission to the undead gods. Does it matter if the god one is submitting to is living or undead? I don't think so.
>>>Good he works hard for the Temple and deserves every penny of it. No Satanist or Vampire worth their salt is going to begrudge the man his money.
If the money is obtained in an honest manner, I see no problem.
>> This is how I know you're bullshit sir. As has been repeatedly stress the onus of proving anything relies squarely on the practicioner. Believe NOTHING Test EVERYTHING. A real Adept would know this and understand it. You are a liar.
You do not have any idea of what an Adept is in a traditional sense. The ToV's use of the term Adept is a misnomer. But I guess you can call yourselves whatever you desire.
Can you prove Lifeforce psychic energy is real?
Can you prove the Undead Gods are real?
Put the facts on the table.... What evidence do you have to support your metaphysical beliefs?
A coincidence or two an undead god does not prove!
>>Would you rather it be free so every Tom Dick and Harry who is even mildly curious wander in and disrupt those studying in earnest? There is a reason why University costs money and there is a reason why the Temple costs money. If you haven't realized that nothing worthwhile in this world is free you are still mentally a child. The Temple is for adults.
You can't compare a university to the Temple. A poorly conceived D&D campaign at the local gaming shoppe would be comparable to the "studying in earnest" within the Temple. At least the RPGers know "it is just a game."
>> You talk much about the Temple not being able to prove extraordinary claims yet without these extraordinary claims you final accusation is baseless.
Prove Lifeforce exists. Prove the Undead Gods exist.
Prove the Dragon exists.
You are the one making all the ridiculous claims.
The accusation is that you are fooling genuine seekers into thinking they are joining a vampire based group and then revealing that they must purchase a cryonics contract in order to access the "higher teachings." This is the old bait and switch as others have noted here.
Why do you not reveal the cryonics requirement for access to the "higher teachings" on your public website?
Why do you lie sir?
The ToV requires submission to the undead gods. Does it matter if the god one is submitting to is living or undead? I don't think so.
>> The literature published by the Temple indicates otherwise. Again the Temple's caveat "Believe Nothing Test Everything". There is also the fact that it asks you to suspend disbelieve while engaged in Communion. The literature asks you not to believe per se but to suspend disbelief
If the money is obtained in an honest manner, I see no problem.
>> So that he is devoting all of his time and energy/Blood to the maitenance and continuation of the Temple is not honest work? Do you not understand that he has written all of the Bibles? Should he not profit from them?
You do not have any idea of what an Adept is in a traditional sense. The ToV's use of the term Adept is a misnomer. But I guess you can call yourselves whatever you desire.
Can you prove Lifeforce psychic energy is real?
Can you prove the Undead Gods are real?
Put the facts on the table.... What evidence do you have to support your metaphysical beliefs?
A coincidence or two an undead god does not prove!
>> In the traditional sense and adept is someone who is a master of a particular trade or subject. If someone has mastered the teachings of the Temple they are rightfully called Adept.
No I cannot
No I cannot
Nothing and nothing at this stage is required.
Again nobody is asking anyone to believe anything. Vampiric ritual functions under the same mechanisms Satanic ritual does, the suspension of disbelief while being performed. I should add that not all ritual involves candles and cloaks, like the act of Feeding. I suspend my disbelief long enough and I get the effects as advertised. In Communion, I also suspend disbelief and again the effects are as advertised on every level.
I don't care about explanations when something works. I don't need to understand electricity to use it.
You can't compare a university to the Temple. A poorly conceived D&D campaign at the local gaming shoppe would be comparable to the "studying in earnest" within the Temple. At least the RPGers know "it is just a game."
>> I wouldn't dare compare the farce that is modern University with the Temple.
Fact: In the olden days Temples were the universities, and just like the olden days the Temple acts as a school. I don't think it should be free. I am an adult and understand that NOTHING IS FREE EVER. Just because you aren't paying for it doesn't mean that noone is. Your comparison with a juvenile video game makes no sense.
Prove Lifeforce exists. Prove the Undead Gods exist.
Prove the Dragon exists.
You are the one making all the ridiculous claims.
The accusation is that you are fooling genuine seekers into thinking they are joining a vampire based group and then revealing that they must purchase a cryonics contract in order to access the "higher teachings." This is the old bait and switch as others have noted here.
Why do you not reveal the cryonics requirement for access to the "higher teachings" on your public website?
Why do you lie sir?
>> The onus isn't on me to prove anything. I'm not your mommy and I will not spoon feed enlightenment to you.
Prove it to yourself or disprove it. It doesn't matter. I think 'The Secret" is a bit more your speed.
FYI rpgs are more than computer games...you must be pretty young not to know that.
methinks the purpose of your long responses are to push mangy magister's post off to the next page...i heard that one pushed buttons!
y do you avoid the cryonics question whenever it arises?
what r you afraid of?
someone copy paste mangy magister's post if this goes to the next page...
Could it be that this site is just providing misinformation in order to cast a bad light upon cryonics?
The loud proclamation of the association of the Temple of the Vampire, cryonics, and those with a healthy interest in transhumanism seems to be only this message site.
Perhaps it is because this association is a false one.
All I see are a group of close minded individuals attempting to deceive others into thinking that transhumanism is the equal to vampirism or satanism.
I think this is the case. I know ToV supports cryonics and many members have contracts and are quietly involved but this Lu Wang person seems to be trying to use one to discredit the other.
not everyone who joins believes the nightside stuff. some of us just want to have fun. and the tov is fun but nemo isnt. nemo is a pretentious nasty guy and hes gonna get a lot of good people in trouble.
the tov under nemo doesnt take its stance against illegal activity as seriously as the cos does. the cos ban and reports criminals even just weed smokers.
ive heard three different reports of drugs that nemo heard about personally but didnt punich. two because they paid to go up to the priesthood and one because they were a high up adept he didnt want to lose.
nemo is also against blood drinking but some members have done it and said so on lifeforce. the posts get deleted but the members stay in. one of them even posted again that he drank blood and hes still there and hes still got his status.
there are also REAL CULT things going on. members are pressured not to leave. there are oaths you have to take and after teaching you a belief in immortality in you they SAY YOULL DIE if you betray them. i bet gabriel can confirm that BIG TIME.
i was personally warned that if i stopped paying my dues theyd throw away my dna archive and make sure my cryonics contract got cancelled. and all the mystic stuff about being harvested but thats all fiction. the dna and cryonics are real. THESE ARE DEATH THREATS to keep members in. these threats come from adepts and order members.
they never come from nemo. at least i never HEARD them come from nemo but he definitely knows about them because i told him. he did NOTHING. im not afraid that will tell him who i am because i know it happened before over and over.
and threats go on. THREATS to lose your friends. to lose your LIFE. i know the cos doesnt do this. the church of satanism ISNT a cult. if you want to leave they say "fine go leave". they dont say youll DIE for it. the cos leaders are jerks sometimes but they never ever make threats. most of the tov is nice and friendly but its leaders are running a CULT. no question.
if it had a leader who was harder on crime and forbids threats and bans oaths about dying it would be perfect. its even worth joining and definately worth reading the vamprie bible if youre into occult magic and satanic magic.
nemo and his order of prometheus want to run it like a cult with intimidation and allowing illegal stuff. im afraid of them and thats why i wont say my name here. they can take my friends and they can take my real scientific immortal life. i know lots of other vampires who feel exactly the same way.
please dont attack members other than nemo and the head honcoes. i dont even say im a tov member on satannet or the lttd forum. its just a neat thing and it is compatible. it just has a really nasty founder whos gonna take the tov and the cos down with him.
No one cares about your "religion." The fact is that the Temple is a business and not a religion. This is obvious to any thinking adult upon exploring the Temple website. It is a fun sales pitch and a good time to be had but don't call it a religion.
The evidence is the Temple website. Anyone can see it at http://www.vampiretemple.com . It is hilarious.
The ToV website snake oil sales pitch is not only hilarious but now appears desperate. I am sure there are long time members who are embarrassed the by the present marketing strategy.
The ToV is incompatible with Satanism as codified by Anton LaVey.
The recent thread at LttD, http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256071#Post256071
, demonstrates the true attitude of the CoS Priesthood regarding the ToV. They see the ToV as a joke. That LttD thread irrefutably proves it.
Take your pipe dreams and christian spiritualism away from the Church of Satan and get lost.
Cryonics is not a science but a pipe dream masquerading as science. I find it humorous that the cryonics requirement of the Temple remains totally hidden from the website sales pitch. I guess no one would buy the vampire bible if they knew they had to purchase a cryonics service to become a vampire.
Here is the truth about Nemo.
<Jill, you may want to put this on your website.>
Nemo is a former member of the temple of set. He really wanted to become a priest of set but no one within that organization wanted to promote him to that position. Nemo wrote that he was communicating with the Dragon and wondering if the Dragon was really Set. He tried really hard to convince them to make him a priest but they did not and he left in a huff.
Within months of leaving the setians, Nemo began the Temple of the Vampire.
By creating the ToV, Nemo was able to grant himself the titles and "priesthood" he so coveted.
So the ToV was really the consequence of an emotional reaction by its founder, who had been rejected by the ToS, and in no way a revelation from "undead gods."
As seen in the recent LttD thread, http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256071#Post256071 , there are Satanic Priests who do not like the Temple of the Vampire and have no respect for senior ToV members like Linguscelesta.
If you listen to Nemo on his Coast to Coast AM appearance with Art Bell, you will find that he believes he can take over the physical body of another person through astral projection. Nemo also believes there is no material universe. Nemo believes only consciousness is real. How can this man and his teachings be permitted any longer within the Church of Satan?
How can the cryonics community( a joke to begin with)change its already sullied image by associating itself with hucksters who call themselves vampires?
Here is the truth about Nemo.
Nemo is a former member of the temple of set. He really wanted to become a priest of set but no one within that organization wanted to promote him to that position.
Nemo wrote that he was communicating with the Dragon and wondering if the Dragon was really Set. He tried really hard to convince them to make him a priest but they did not and he left in a huff.
Within months of leaving the setians, Nemo began the Temple of the Vampire.
By creating the ToV, Nemo was able to grant himself the titles and "priesthood" he so coveted.
So the ToV was really the consequence of an emotional reaction by its founder, who had been rejected by the ToS, and in no way a revelation from "undead gods."
As seen in the recent LttD thread, http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256071#Post256071 , there are Satanic Priests who do not like the Temple of the Vampire and have no respect for senior ToV members like Linguscelesta.
If you listen to Nemo on his Coast to Coast AM appearance with Art Bell, you will find that he believes he can take over the physical body of another person through astral projection. Nemo also believes there is no material universe. Nemo believes only consciousness is real.
How can this man and his "spiritual" teachings be permitted any longer within the Church of Satan?
How can the cryonics community( a joke to begin with)change its already sullied image by associating itself with hucksters who call themselves vampires?
----- Jill, you may want to put this on your website.