Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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Adult conversation is not free on that website. It's a poor example of "Satanism in action." Always has been.
Adult conversation is not free on that website. It's a poor example of "Satanism in action." Always has been, which is why I never go there.
Ventrue is by no means a fanatical ToV member.
He's on the fence, and if push comes to shove... He'll be rolling in Gilmore's field before Nemo can say "COME BACK I MISS YOU!".
Go wash your potty mouth!
I think it's the other way around. It seems certain peeps understand the ToV to be the *real* religion and the CoS is just something for fun on the side.
Privately, the CoS is always talked about as a harmless sideshow.
After all, it's pretty obvious that Gilmore is a militant Atheist.
Ventrue wields an inordinate amount of control over "Satanism online" because he hosts and maintains not just Letters to the Devil but also churchofsatan.com, vampiretemple.com, the emporium, undercroft and hosts several other key informational outlets. This is one of the reasons why it's so touchy.
It would take the Church of Satan months to rebuild their online organizational assets were Ventrue to get the boot or leave because of his clear Theism.
Now we are left with boring "everyday man" Church spokesmen. I guess the vampires drained all the lifeforce from the Church. I remember how much fun it was a decade ago.
Hail Satan!
I gaze into my crystal ball and see the obvious.
Nemo and his flock of sheep indeed should resign from the Church of Satan, because they have all been unmasked and shown to be pseudo Satanists. The CoS has lost support of many members, and potential members, directly because of their nonsensical relationship with the Temple of the Vampire, especially in recent years since the cryonics agenda has come to light.
Quote "You've got to admit that the colorful Satanists leaving the Church make it look dull and dreary."
Not at all. Satanism is about the individual and their personal existence, not about the few who are whoring themselves online.
Quote "It would take the Church of Satan months to rebuild their online organizational assets were Ventrue to get the boot or leave because of his clear Theism."
Webmasters are a dime a dozen. It could be done quickly and at very little cost. It would be well worth the temporary setbacks to have a message board, website, and emporium run directly by the Church of Satan, instead of the ToV and affiliates. Seriously, what else are they going to do with all that membership money coming in? It's about time they give something back to the members.
To those who are newcomers to this blog, please read all the previous postings. We have digressed from the main topic recently, but have previously presented an overwhelming body of evidence regarding ToV as a hoax, and even worse, a deceptive front for a cryonics cult. For a time, ToV was selling physical immortality as part of their membership package as well, which also falls into the realm of fraud, since they cannot possibly deliver on such outrageous claims.
We've also uncovered the ToV's agendas regarding the takeover of certain organizations, such as the Church of Satan, and the cryonics industry.
Caveat Emptor!
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Just another place to leave our mark for the would-be seeker. Just like here, you can use whatever name you like without registering.
Nemo, Phineas, and Lang seem to be the last wizards standing in the Satanic Priesthood.
If they leave, all hope is lost. I wonder who will carry the torch of the Black Flame and (really) start a new organization.
Ragnarok is here.
Wizards???? I highly doubt that. Don't confuse slinging massive loads of bullshit with wizardry.
Quote "If they leave, all hope is lost."
For whom???? With all honesty, they are my top three that I hope WILL leave the CoS. Anyone flying the ToV flag is a pseudo Satanist, and if that's all the CoS has left, then it would be better if they just crumble, alongside the vampire temple.
The time is coming soon. CoS either has to step up and make a stand, booting these impostors out, or abandon a sinking ship.
Currently, one needs only to ask themselves the age-old question of "Who gains?" in regard to affiliation with the CoS. It is then pretty clear why potential members are affiliating elsewhere or simply proclaiming themselves independent of any organization.
If you think the COS is better off with the mystic types, you're clearly the type that shouldn't be involved.
Rex leaving was a massive victory for actual Satanists. If Phineas, Ventrue and Nemo were to skat we'll be on smooth water for quite some time.
Silly religious infighting. Ah, how I wish we were immune. It's nearly enough to make me disaffiliate.
Also, on the old newsgroups one can see what a fan of Nemo P&P (Peggy and Peter) are of him.
Unfortunantely, unless Mister Gilmore sends Nemo and his cult on its way then "Tiamat with Tits" will be around for a good long time.
If one visits Miss Ygraine's blog they will understand my comments a little better in this posting.
CoS has effectively thrown the baby out with the bathwater. But you don't have to take my word for it. The fact remains they are no longer in charge of Satanism, and that Satanists are moving forward with or without them. The CoS, in it's current form, is no longer needed, actually. They offer nothing to the members. Nothing. But that's a story for another time. The current topic is the Temple of the Vampire HOAX and why it should be abolished as a "religion," since it clearly is not one.
Which internet forum? There are several that I know of and all of them are a sad joke. I suppose any pinion otherwise is made by individuals from those forums who show up here.
The COS is stronger than ever. Those who see to divide us on this here board have their own agenda. Satanists have many special interest. Some are into Germanic studies, others into Voudon, and there are Satanists who are into Life Extension (Vampires). So freaking what?? Deal with it and move on!!
I have an interest in pursuing affiliation with both religions, the Church of Satan & the Temple of the Vampires. Is it a requirement that I join the Church of Satan before my request being accepted into the Temple of the Vampires?
Thanks much for assisting.
I have an interest in pursuing affiliation with both religions, the Church of Satan & the Temple of the Vampires. Is it a requirement that I join the Church of Satan before my request being accepted into the Temple of the Vampires?
Thanks much for assisting."
It is not required but highly recommended.
Indeed. There are Satanists into lots of different things. Life extension is not limited to the ToV, nor do I have to support mysticism in order to buy myself a freezer pod.
My problem with the ToV isn't the vampire terminology or the concept of cryonics. My problem is specifically with the fact that it is a pyramid scam, a theistic organization and that they consistently attempt to infringe on the free speech of Satanists when it comes to open information.
You're welcome to continue to see it otherwise. I'll continue to see the ToV as a negative element.
No Satanist is being forced to join any other group. If you don't dig it, don't step into it. It's that simple!!
"My problem with the ToV isn't the vampire terminology or the concept of cryonics. My problem is specifically with the fact that it is a pyramid scam, a theistic organization and that they consistently attempt to infringe on the free speech of Satanists when it comes to open information. "
How exactly are "they consistently attempting to infringe on the free speech of Satanists when it comes to open information"?
I'd like to see this evidence if you have, which I seriously doubt. ROFL!
Freezing your dead body is not life extension. Whatever happens to your corpse after death has no effect on your life whatsoever.
As they say, if you can't afford it...
Perhaps if you had secured personal financial freedom and could afford cryonics, you would whistle a different tune.
Rex could have stayed aboard, and like Nemo, he could have easily used his position and personna (if you will) to further his cause (whatever that might be). Like Nemo he could have wow'd many CoS members into whatever scheme his black little heart desired, without question CoS members would have only seen Rex as the Diabolical Magister whose words/actions could only echo those of the great AZL.
Rex could have done alot of damage, in terms of fishing from the pond....on reputation alone...multitudes worse than Nemo and his Plastic-Fangers.
I congratulate Rex on his decision, it shows respect for AZL and the CoS.
Take note, Rex did what Nemo isn't man enough to do.
"Lord of the Flies"
If you don't understand that the Dragon is your innermost Self, thats your lack of ability to comprehend the subject matter. Just because you dont "get it" doesn't mean others aren't intelligent enough to.
Yes, I just called you completely stupid.
It's the sheep within the CoS (not the real Members) that have allowed such narrow-mindedness to remove the magic that was the stitching of the CoS's very fabric.
The Church of Satan is becoming a group of atheists who claim the devil's name but don't want to play the devil's game. If you go through LttD, magicians have been replaced with social misfits of varying stripes.
Not really. Wasting a fortune on something that doesn't work is just plain STUPID. Cryonics doesn't work, and no one is ever going to be brought back. Even if the technology existed, they wouldn't bother bringing anyone back. Why? Simple. Because they don't have to. What are you going to do, sue them? Cryonics is nothing more than a funeral practice, and cryonics only happens to dead people. Paying a fortune for a storage fee on your dead body is dumb. Even dumber is believing that anyone is going to spend millions, or even billions of dollars to bring you back.
And especially ToV members. You think anyone is going to care for the afterlife of someone who claims to be a "predator of humans?" I could see if you were someone important...
In closing, it's not about being expensive. It's about throwing your money away. But if you are stupid enough to pay them all that money, then go for it. Just don't use your CoS influence to trick other people into joining your cryonics cult disguised as a vampire religion. The facade is completely worn out.
Quote "Those people obviously missed the boat somewhere along the way. "Undead Gods" aren't "worshiped"."
Actually your founder, George Smith, has stated on many occasions the vampire bible is the only book you need to master his teachings. The vampire bible rituals not only make the aspiring vampire grovel before the undead gods, but clearly instructs you to worship them.
And to the guy who thinks the CoS has never been stronger, consider WHY they are outsourcing their hierarchy from another religion. What's next? Christian Satanists and Muslim Satanists? These wingnuts can't even decide what religion they are. 'Da vampires gotta go!!!!!
Furthermore, anyone who has taken the ToV's oath of fealty has betrayed their CoS membership and is an impostor. Have fun in Loserville.
If you had actually read and understood anything within the Vampire Bible or the Satanic Bible, you'd see just how ridiculous your claims are. Some people (like you) are nothing more than senseless slaves, incapable of being more.
What a ridiculous argument. It all comes down to creditbility. Obviously they would make even MORE money selling a product that would work.
I've come here by way of google. I am interested in spells and live after death.
I am for the first and second amendment and love this country, and want to defend our long standing traditions.
Reading all 113 pages, I feel like I may have found my lost true family.
I feel I've been in contact with the undead gods of all of my live, since I was a child.
It was an undead god by the name of AMUN-RA who led me to Satan.
I think I am now ready for the full power.
Which do I read first, the satanic or vampire bible?
In Love of Satan,
Gary
X
Your patterns are quite obvious at this point, along with your Dead-End arguments.
On the topic of Magic and the alledged CoS members who have apparently professed their disbelief in Magic....I must have missed that!
Another Red-Herring!
I personally don't have a problem with the ToV's Magic workings or anyones workings for that matter. Magic is unique to the Magician is it not, and at times like minded Magicians may come together to set a working off to it's destination, either way we will adhere to the framework required to achieve optimum results.
Abramlin, Crowley, CoS,or ToV, Magic from any of these backgrounds can be combined at ones will, if they feel it necessary....If you practiced Magic like some of us do you would know that.
Powerful Magic comes from within, within those with the Will and Understanding of it's nature.
To those of you who think that any one person(s) may dictate your ability to set off a Powerful Working by assigning you a grade (even worse, a grade based around monetary contribution), I wish you well in your future endeavors and I call your Teacher Benny Hinn.
Magic is real, to the Itheists who hold themselves
to the Highest of Godhood we obtain our power through dilligence and knowledge, we bow to no one!
There has been a powerful working here within this thread, I've seen 114 examples of it's success and continue to celebrate as it lays torment into the eyes of the Pond Fishermen.
"Lord of the Flies"
Oh and Gary, as it so happens many who read TSB for the first time will see themselves within it's pages, it's words will then give definition to what they will eventually know that they were born into.
If you were born a Satanist you will also come to know that TSB gives clear definition to organizations like the ToV. If you don't see this than you are not a Satanist.
The ToV's pamphlets (by true CoS standards) cannot be considered readings that are by any means beneficial to the study required by Satanism, the ToV's main objective is to remove identity and individuality from it's members, this is counter-productive to a Satanist and thus supports the notion of the ToV's incompatibility to the CoS.
The response you were given by Slesk....I mean "X" is typical of the pond-fishermen's gimmicky recruiting tactics, and is what now plagues the forums at LttD.
"Lord of the Flies"
The point is that "if" you understood the Teachings of the Temple, you would know it is not a theist religion. You yourself just said you have no problem with the ToV's magic. If the ToV were a theist religion, the magic would be done in a manner that credits a deity or deities. There are no deities worshiped in the Temple. Only your Self! If you'd read the material and had the brain capacity to understand this, your theis argument wouldn't exist.
Your only leg to wobble on is that you do not agree with cryonics. That's fine. The Temple isn't for you and I'm glad for that. It doesn't change the fact that there are many of Us that wish to further the research into physical immortality. You may see that as a waste of money. I see it as a possibility worth investing in.
As anyone's views, other than your own, are wrong. I see no sense in participating further in this conversation.
You would probably be quite surprised in the amount of involvement the Doktor had in the Temple coming into the public eye though. It was NOT without his approval.
You couldn't leave here if you were forced to at gunpoint!
This is your Loss of Control, you can't afford yet another Loss of Control. Isn't that what you strive for in the Lifeforce, we know how much satisfaction you get when you repremand your cronies...what a disappointment it would be to not at least try and maintain some sort of order here...the place that creates that little voice of doubt in the back of your mind.
Stay here and feel the wrath, keep your screen-name and go toe-to-toe.
Tell the others to do the same, let them know that their strategy has been long since exposed and is downgrading their level of intelligence.
Worship of Entities or not, you are Spiritual-Pipedreamers with a Shady business plan.
I will be here until your Vampire Undead Aliens initiate their Culling....or maybe until somebody is successfully revived through the process of Cryonics.
"Lord of the Flies"
How about this Mr. Blah, allow your Initiates to progress through the most advanced level of your Priesthood (all the way to the top) without having to make a committment to Cryonics, or advise them before they sign their lives away (to the family in Lacey) that they will not be able to reach their full "Vampiric" potential without the Long-Term Committment to Cryonics, that includes the financial requirments.
Might that though expose that aside from whatever Magic Workings your texts may contain (magic is magic anybody can write a ritual) the whole process is structured around the Initiate and whether or not they will be able to afford the big surprise at the end.
You will have mastered every aspect of the Initiate Victims life, as set fourth within your texts and the advice given in your forums.
"Lord of the Flies"
Actually, you are worth more to the cryonics industry if you're dead. Haven't you herd, you are supposed to sign over your life insurance policy to them? It's a scam, just like the Temple of the Vampire.
Your personal attacks against me are actually quite amusing. I don't actually give a shit about your loser opinion, or anyone else in the ToV for that matter. In fact, I have no respect for you bunch of brainwashed morons whatsoever.
But let's not worry, because you are all going to be removed from the Church of Satan very soon. You occultniks are trying to do what the Temple of Set did back in the 70's, and are going to get kicked to the curb.
Bye bye, lot lice. Have fun with your out of body, out of CoS experience. 😊
A Satanist who has rejected the concept of "God" is in a righteous position to explore the real mysteries.
Some may be afraid do this and remain in the "easy spot" where they are. Atheism is for the weak minded and all around lazy.
The Vampire is the ultimate adventurer, the Indiana Jones of the Occult.