The Museum of Hoaxes
sylvia browne
Posted By:
padego
Apr 04, 2005
 Just thought I'd peruse Ms. Browne's site for news of the pope, oddly theres no mention....

http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm
Category: Prophecy-Psychic; Replies: 765

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 09:21 PM
Jordyn,

I didn't say you were a believing fan. I commented on the enjoyment you seem to get from Ms Browne's cold and callous involvement in cases like the one with the murdered child.

"She is making people happy"

Were you sufficiently entertained? If you're lucky, maybe you can catch a re-run.
Kelly
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 11:48 PM
Now that is a GR8 POINT THERE!! If Ms. Browne BOTHER'S U ALL SO DARN MUCH! WHY? WHY? WATCH HER ON TV, OR LISTEN TO HER ON THE RADIO, OR EVEN READ HER BOOKS?????
If....IF she is an CROOK, I do believe SOMEONE out there would've gotten her by NOW! They did with JOHN EDWARD.
R WE Jealous with Ms. Browne? Do We WISH We had her Power of Reading folks? Or is it the GREED that we so badly want?
She has been doing this Business for YEARS!! So why all of a sudden does everyone want her in Jail?
I'll continue to pray for you all. Like it or not.

And NO I don't believe they'll ever be 100% WORLD PEACE. SADDLY. And I DO give to the Poor, in Africa, every mth.
Sorry 4 THE CAPS. I couldn't see a thing, and my hands were killing me.

Kelly.
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 06:39 AM
lol well of course the world will never be free from sin, not until God comes back again and makes the new earth. i just wanted to make sure you werent suggesting that we just give up

and contrary to kellys point about how if she were a crook they would have caught her by now, it doesnt always work that way. many times ppl are allowed to commit crimes until the day that they die and still, ppl never no. sometimes they find out after their death or when they are in old age. but we cant under estimate the person committing the crime. saying their innocent because they havent been caught isnt quite accurate. it depends on how good she is at her crime. it could be that shes innocent, it seems that alot of ppl are trying to incriminate her so maybe it would be hard to make everyone believe that she wasnt committing a crime. maybe, still not the greatest reason for her innocence.
and its cool about the caps, makes the forum kind of fun to read hehe

and the jealousy probably wouldnt be the reason for the people here to be bothered by her. i sincerely doubt that is why they are on here trying to say that she is guilty and stuff. but hey who knows, maybe they are jealous? not likely but..maybe.
jordyn
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 11:54 AM
Captain Al,

you obviously have a reading problem.

I don't ever recall saying that i was entertained.
I don't ever recall saying that i enjoyed it.
you are putting words in my mouth. or words in my writings. you need to get some fresh air bud.

sure buddy, iknow what your talking about when you say that it doesn't make people happy. but that is SOME people. like you and the people whose predictions don't come true.

So your saying that people who are done getting a reading with her are mad? No, they are generally happy, because she is probably telling them what they want to hear. and by me saying that it makes people happy im not saying that their happiness will be forever lasting but you may think as you please.

Again, i think that maybe you should go and try to do something about it, not just sit there on your ass on the computer complaining. make your self heard. In the public. pass out flyers. write in the newspaper opinion page. try to make it on television. because on this forum you will either run into people who are strongly in agreement with you or strongly in a disagreement.

Don't you think it would be better to debate face-to-face with someone who can actually stop her, like montel, or someone else that has more power. rather than with people who will debate you and can't do a thing about it?

GO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND QUIT COMPLAINING
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 02:39 PM
Kelly said:

"If....IF she is an CROOK, I do believe SOMEONE out there would've gotten her by NOW!"

Unfortunately, not every crime gets prosecuted. For instance, although we know that Enron ripped off millions of consumers, do you see Ken Lay (the former CEO of Enron) behind bars? He hasn't even been in court yet. Prosecutors are also pretty reluctant to go after someone who arguably falls in the "faith" category.

"They did with JOHN EDWARD."

John Edward has not been charged with any crimes. In what sense has he been "caught" at anything? Who did it? He's still in business, taking advantage of the desperate and gullible.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 02:41 PM
Lindsay said:

"oh yes and cranky id like to apologize for being kind of short tempered on the $1,000,000 forum. i never meant any disrespect or to be obnoxious though im sure i came off that way. ill try to be more patient and less of a brat."

I appreciate that, Kelly. We all have a tendency to lose our composure during these discussions from time to time. It was good of you to be big enough to apologize for that.

Take care, OK?
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 03:01 PM
cranky-

lol ok well since wat you said was right after a quote of mine then ill assume that wen you said kelly that you meant me? lol woot a nwe name!!

thanks, ill definetly be doing good, especially since my book finally got here :cheese:, you take care too. 😜 id hate to see cranky doing bad. hah oh and thanks for putting up with me on the other forum, im sure that ive been difficult. but hey i think that my logic is kinda getting better...hah maybe..lol
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 06:07 PM
Lindsay said (quoting me):

"If you feel you need to help my soul reach Heaven, give some money to a homeless person in my name or something."

"hmm..and that would do good how? i mean in the whole heaven issue"

Well, most religious people I've known (and certainly just about all of the Christians) think that doing "good deeds" helps you get into Heaven.

If you've read the Bible, you should be familiar with the Beatitudes.
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 06:28 PM
cranky-

yeah..its just that the bible clearly states that good works dont get you to heaven so i guess i was suprised that you commented like that lol. idk why some christians believe like that. its verey obvious thats not wat the bible says. and its mostly catholic ppl that i no that think that way.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 07:20 PM
Jordyn, you were the one who burst onto the forum insulting someone who was taking part in a discussion. You were the who said you didn't care if Sylvia Browne was real or fake.

We were discussing Sylvia Browne's involvement in a missing persons case. She diliberately mislead grieving people for her own personal gain. I think that's significant and worthy of a discussion about the lack of conscience displayed by Sylvia Browne. Based on your original comments one can only assume you thought it was okay because, as you say, "at least they were happy, for a little bit".

Whether or not I do something about it outside this forum is irrelevent. (How do you know I'm not?) This is one thing to do about it and I'm doing it. If you don't think it's worth doing, fine, I really don't care because this part of the discussion is over.
jordyn
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 08:00 PM
Uh-oh
captain al is mad

the person who i insulted was not taking part in the "discussion". she had nothing to say but "ewwwww she is gross". yeah that really is convinving people that sylvia is a fraud.

your right i did say i didn't care if she was real or not. good for you, you got something right.

By saying that sylvia makes people happy doesn't mean she makes everyone happy. Hell, the president makes people happy, but not everyone.

of course it's not ok to mislead someone, but let's see about 90 percent of the people are happy after their readings. that other ten percent, realizes she did them wrong. I just pulled that stat out of my ass. but thats my opinion.

How do you know randi james isn't just making shit up about that whole death in texas. sylvia could have been right but in an attempt to disprove sylvia he made that shit up. He also could have made up the whole thing about the "same readings", or maybe it was the same person trying to fool her. maybe they had the same symptoms, you never know. someone could have won the paranormal challenge but you wouldn't know because he could be keeping it a secret.

And yes i know randi james is your god, but if you are going to argue about sylvia and think that she is a fraud. Maybe their is a possibility that mr randi is too. Besides, he could screw anyone out of the challenge and make people look stupid. he is probably afraid of the truth getting out. seriously he doesn't really want to give that money out.

you are obviously not going around passing out flyers and such because you are too busy on your computer arguing to a bunch of people that have no lives. such as your self
But if you are, good luck, i hope you nail her.

i will stop with the insults though. i am being a hypocrit (wrong spelling?). i was saying that you guys shouldn't be getting so mad over this stuff, while i am here doing it myself.
my apologies to everyone here.
i will be more respectful in the future.
Carter S
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 09:26 PM
Jordyn,

Yeah, I was just about to say that you were being a hypocrite. But it seemed you noticed, so I won't bother arguing with you.
Jordyn, earlier you said that this is something that people shouldn't get so worked up over. And I agreed to that, but it happens in debates.
People can get heated up over debates. I know I can. But I respect other peoples opinions.
Even though I don't agree with some of the things that cranky media guy says or sometimes even captain al (which is usually me just asking questions and giving my view to him). I respect their opinions and I think their views are very logical, and well thought out.

Kelly,

Where did you get the impression that John Edwards was caught? I sort of heard the same thing before, but I realized he was still doing his thing.

Lindsay,

Hi, I didn't realize you were writing this page.

Everyone,

Hey, just off the subject. Does anyone want to hear a joke?

Ok,
Q: What do you call a unitarian and a mormon mixed together?

A: Someone who rings your door bell and doesn't know why.

ha ha ha, hope that didn't offend anyone.
If it did sorry.

Talk to you guys later!
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 09:51 PM
carter- yeah im kinda on this page lol havent really posted any opinions..i need to look in on it more before i make big statements and such. hehe that joke got a giggle from me..dang i am tired..

jordyn- is this nessacary? i mean really...you critize him for spending his time talking to ppl about sylvia and not doing anything to change it. but dang wat are you doing spending all of your time convincing someone that sitting on his butt all day long talking about things and wasting his own time is stupid? youre posting quite a bit on here to. cmon join in the fun say something stupid, sing a song, w/e, but hey dont get up someones butt about wasting their own time. who cares? im wasting my time right now but hey thats my choice. im sure that youre a great guy, this may just be sometihng that really bothers you. but i think that capt. al understands your opnion and hes not changing his ways so since its not a matter of dire importance, maybe its time to just let it go.

but thats just a friendly suggestion, i hope that i didnt sound rude...or anything. i just dont want to see ppl on here getting angry when theres no point in it. and i think that capt al is starting to get quite mad or annoyed..or whatever.

and in my personal opnion, misleading someone is wrong regardless of the happiness it can bring. honesty is the way to go. its not ok to lie to ppl. and when ppl find out something isnt true, itll hurt even worse. ive had alot of expirence on that and i can tell you that its not worth it. at least i no for me that i want to no the truth no matter how much it may hurt. thats why i don trun in hide from things. its much better to no and live in reality than to live in some dream world. if someone has another person living in a dreamworld and they dont even no it..well..that is simnply not right in my book. reality hurts but we all must live in it. then again if ppl chose not to, its their chose. they should just be aware of the choice.
im not sure where im going with this. ill end it now. lol long long day.

this is off topic, but is their anyone else in here that is not an adult? lol i dont want to be the only kid. just curious..
Carter S
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 10:05 PM
Don't worry lindsay I am sure you're not the only kid. How old are you anyway? (not trying to hit on you, that would be weird, especially on this website).

I am 19 almost 20. I am stoked. I won't be a teen but I won't be an adult. I'll be a nobody. j/k

But one more year and I can drink legally. It's
bad for me but I do it anyway. It kills brain cells. I don't binge though. Only been drunk 2 times.

Go U of U, Go University Of Miami!!!!
Now how's that for off the subject.
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 | 10:38 PM
haha dont worry im sure that ur not trying to hit on me
im only 14 anyway so that would be twice as weird lol
yeah i get to be stuck as a kid for a quite a few more years. ill savor it though hehe i get to be the wittle fweshmen
😊 which has is advantages lol. <_< until this year and next year over and most of my friends go off to college..dang that suks lol
Kelly
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 01:02 AM
Who Ever asked about the "John Edward" ordeal, i heard about it via the internet, via DATELINE. He was 'supposedly' doing an reading on the reporter, and kept asking him if he was ANTHONY? or did he no an ANTHONEY?, Then the Camera Guy, say's his name is Anthoney, And they talk back and forth about Anthoney's Dad Passing away, and How, and how long it's been bla, bla, bla. So the Producers and the Reporter got to investigating it all, and found out that MR. EDWARD was out in the studio, introducing himself to all. And found an OLD FRIEND who used to be HIS CAMERA MAN.... So He confessed, Yes, I know Anthoney, and about his dad before I got here. I was pissed, DATELINE WAS PISSED. And boy was MR. EDWARD EMBARRASSED!!
Later some dude from TIME MAG. did an artical on Mr. EDWARD, and found that More than 95% of the shows this TIME guy went too, was EDITIED. So you COULDN'T HEAR the TON'S OF MISSES, MR. EDWARD HAD. On his fianl Visit to the Show, he found out that MR. EDWARD was doing "HOT READINGS"! Which means, the lobby, the autorium, were BUGGED! And Everyone who came in, via the long line waiting outside, had to FILL OUT AN QUESTIONAIR....NAME, WHO THEY WISH TO BE IN CONTACT WITH, ETC; The TIME DUDE never had to do this, for He was Always late, and Refused to Fill out anything.

Kelly.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 01:05 AM
Don't get me wrong. I am not proud of the drunkeness, but it just happened.

Yeah I am from Utah and of course there are hundreds of thousands of mormons here. I tell some of my mormon friends that joke and they don't even get it. Only one did. But he wasn't offended so it was cool.

Oh yeah back to the thread of this forum.... um sylvia may or not be real. In this case we have seen good evidence that she is a fake. What will we see tomorrow........TO BE CONTINUED..........
DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!!

Well I have work in about four hours and it's 1:04 SO I am laskdjfoeijfodijffffffffff. oh sorry I am going to bed.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 01:10 AM
Thanks Kelly.

You are always appreciated in my book. I didn't know that, but now that I do, I think he is a stupppppidkdkfhk heakd. AHHH! Sleepfndg I need.
family Guy is awesome!!!!
Kelly
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 01:14 AM
PS! "GO TENNESSEE VOLS"!!!!!!!!!!!!! and....

"GO COLTS"!!!!!!!!!! PAYTON MANNING, U RULE!!!!!!!

KELLY.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 01:23 AM
NO!!!
Go Utah Utes!!!!
Go University Of Miami!!!!
Go Giants!!!!!! Eli Manning!!! hahahahaha
Alright I am really gone this time. Good night......
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 02:40 AM
jordyn said:

"How do you know randi james isn't just making shit up about that whole death in texas. sylvia could have been right but in an attempt to disprove sylvia he made that shit up. He also could have made up the whole thing about the "same readings", or maybe it was the same person trying to fool her."

You DO realize, don't you, that if Randi did something like that, he would be completely vulnerable for a lawsuit, right? Do you seriously think for one moment that Sylvia Browne wouldn't sue him for defamation, as she would have every right to do, if he lied about her? As far as the "same readings" go, if you bothered to visit his site and do a search, he has said that he has in his possession ACTUAL TAPES of the two, virtually identical, readings. Again, if they were fakes, Sylvia would have an open and shut case against him.

"maybe they had the same symptoms, you never know."

Yes, it's entirely possible that two people could have similar symptoms. The thing is that she gave almost word-for-word identical "readings" to two people about a year and a half apart. Why don't you go to Randi's site (randi.org) and read what he says about this? It will clear up any misunderstanding you may have about this matter.

"someone could have won the paranormal challenge but you wouldn't know because he could be keeping it a secret."

True, it isn't impossible that Randi could keep quiet about someone winning the Prize, but how would he keep THEM from talking? If YOU won a million bucks by demonstrating YOUR supernatural powers, would YOU keep your mouth shut? Wouldn't you want to brag that you had beaten Randi at his own game? Please don't say that maybe Randi makes them sign a confidentiality agreement. If you go to his site, you can read exactly what people have to agree to.

"And yes i know randi james is your god, but if you are going to argue about sylvia and think that she is a fraud. Maybe their is a possibility that mr randi is too."

Randi is not "my God." I don't have a God.

I call Sylvia a fraud because she makes claims of powers which defy the known laws of physics (specifically communicating with the dead) and which she is unwilling to demonstrate under controlled conditions. Also, everything she does can be duplicated by completely natural means. What reason has she given me--or anyone else--to think that she ISN'T a fraud?

"Besides, he could screw anyone out of the challenge and make people look stupid. he is probably afraid of the truth getting out.
seriously he doesn't really want to give that money out."

One of the things about the Million Dollar Challenge that you obviously don't know is that Randi is not directly involved in the testing of the candidate. Again, how could he keep a claimant from talking about being screwed out of the money?

Everything you've said here has been said many times before, as Randi has written about on his site. You really ought to read up on it before you comment on it. Sorry, but you simply don't know what you're talking about here.
lindsay
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 11:40 AM
:lol: i freakin heart the family guy, that show is awesome.

uh..go..monkey!! woo goo monkey!!
who needs stupid state teams..wen you can root for a monkey...
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 12:28 PM
Jordyn,

Cranky Media Guy has got you there. It was an interesting theory that many of us have probably considered. But we actually looked into it and decided not to go there. Well not me any way. At least I don't think so?

I like to play devils' advocate.
And I am Open Minded.

FAMILY GUY QUOTE:
Peter: "Hey Lois you kind of look like Brittany Spears, except you're not some fat guy."

It is awesome, I got my mom hooked on it, even south park!

State teams are awesome!! The NCAA is much better to watch than to watch the professionals.

But go Monkey Anyway!!!!! woooooo!!!!
lindsay
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 06:03 PM
yes goo monkey!!

"Peter: uh... uh... uh... pea uh... uh... uh... tear uh... uh... uh... gryphon. YEAH! thats it Peter Griffin. CRAP" heh

wow im really not talking about the topic here bad lindsay, bad..
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 | 06:16 PM
Meg: "Hey, Lucas. Will you go out with me?"

Lucas: "sorry I don't date dudes".

Yeah great stuff.

Oh yeah that sylvia is a crook. Ah I am sickened. there, we are back to the right thread.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 | 08:24 AM
Sylvia Browne, a.k.a. Sylvia Celeste Brown, is not new to this "crook" game. Read about her 1992 conviction for investment fraud and grand theft.
<a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_6_28/ai_n6361823">Sylvia Browne once failed to foresee her own criminal conviction</a>
Kelly
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 | 09:48 PM
I READ about the SCANDAL of MS. BROWNE. And Yep I was pretty Disappointed.
Mr. James Randi, I DO NOT LIKE. He did NOT even go to College and get any kind of Degree. So where Does he get off by saying so and so is a Crook? I NO SHE'S HAD TONS of MISSES! And She's CHARGES WAY, WAY, WAY TOO FREAKIN' MUCH MONEY!
And HOw do You suppose SHE COULD SUE MR. FREAK HEAD RANDI? It'd NEVER M8 IT 2 COURT!! NEVER.
And How Do U KNOW MR. RANDI doesn't have SOMEONE SIGN SOMETHING STATING TO KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT THE MILLION BUCKS? "HELL, IF 'SURVIVIOR' CAN DO IT!! SO CAN MR. RANDI!! I'VE BEEN TO HIS SITE, IT AINT' ALL THAT INTERESTING.

Anyone see the 18th INNINGS of the BRAVES AND ASTROS TONIGHT? IT WAS AWESOMEEEEE!!!!!
TOO BAD FOR OUR VOLS...........
BUT YAHOOOOOOO FOR THE COLTS!!!!!
Kelly.
Carter S
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 | 10:28 PM
Thanks Captain Al, I will definetly have to take a look at this. I knew she was convicted of something but never really looked into it.

Kelly,

BOOOOO! THE Colts.

They beat one of my good friends. Alex Smith.
I went to school with him. I had two classes with him!!
But Alex did crap up the field with 4 Int, and was sacked five times!!! But that's the o-lines fault. Laters.
Carter S
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 | 10:53 PM
Captain Al,

I just read it. Very interesting, I didn't know any of that. But, although there is some very strong evidence that she is a fraud, and very small evidence that she is real (probably no evidence she is real). I still have to keep an open mind about psychic powers in general. I mean I can't even explain what happened in the theaters with my family. Can you?

If you can, please fill me in. I am curious to how it happened. As well as my family.

Psychic powers could very well exist. But, I wouldn't know where to begin with how. Maybe it does exist and it really isn't defying science at all. Who knows, maybe we haven't found everything there is to know about physics (which I could probably say we haven't), and one of those things could show that psychic abilities exist. Never know.

With that Randi James thing. I do think that there is a way to screw over a contestant. Since it is under controlled study. Those who are observing could lie. If the psychic is doing a reading to a random person, they could pay that person to say that everything is wrong. And so on.
I haven't read the Randi James contract or anything, but I will. But I do think there is always a way screw someone over in anything. Never know.
Write you guys later.
Kelly
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 | 10:57 PM
So Sorry Carter! Payton Manning is TENNESSEE'S MAN!!!!!!

Hey Look up on Google and type in "Fraudulant Psychics." You'll find ALL KINDS of stuff!! I was up until 4am! Yesterday morning reading, and reading!

later,
Kelly.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 12:38 AM
Kelly said:

"Mr. James Randi, I DO NOT LIKE. He did NOT even go to College and get any kind of Degree. So where Does he get off by saying so and so is a Crook?"

Why do you think that a person needs a college degree to challenge the claims of those who say they possess powers that defy the known laws of physics? What degree would one have for that, anyway? Fraudology? Are you operating under the incorrect assumption that a non-college-educated person can't be intelligent? If I was to assume that a semi-literate person couldn't be intelligent, we wouldn't be having this discussion, if you catch my drift.

What James Randi is is an expert in deception, having been a magician and escape artist for many years. An ability he has, which many, if not most, scientists lack is to be able to detect deception and how it is being perpetrated. That is, of course, a magician's stock in trade.

Despite not having a college degree, he has the respect of scientists all over the world; several years ago, he was also awarded a McArthur Foundation "genius" grant of a few hundred thousand dollars (I think it was $300,000) for the work he has done in testing claims of the paranormal.

"And HOw do You suppose SHE COULD SUE MR. FREAK HEAD RANDI? It'd NEVER M8 IT 2 COURT!! NEVER."

Why do you say that? If Randi was to make a false accusation against Sylvia, she most certainly WOULD be able to sue. Do you think the courts are in some kind of conspiracy with Randi against Sylvia or something? I don't understand why you think she wouldn't be able to sue, as anyone can sue anyone else in this country. Some time back, Randi called Sylvia a "knowing fraud" on his website, inviting her to sue him. She hasn't and we can only speculate that it was because she knew he could back up his statements.

"And How Do U KNOW MR. RANDI doesn't have SOMEONE SIGN SOMETHING STATING TO KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT THE MILLION BUCKS?"

Well, as I've said before, the terms of Randi's Challenge are clearly stated on his website. Under the agreement, both parties have to agree to all terms; he cannot do something that the claimant hasn't agreed to in advance, in writing. You'd know that if you took the time to actually READ the agreement on randi.org.

"HELL, IF 'SURVIVIOR' CAN DO IT!! SO CAN MR. RANDI!! I'VE BEEN TO HIS SITE, IT AINT' ALL THAT INTERESTING."

I happen to have worked in the past with the host of Survivor (at the FX Channel back in the 90's. Nice guy.) Anyway, the Survivor contract says that a contestant can't tell anyone the outcome of the contest before it airs. I think you can figure out why that would be important to them, can't you? They can, of course, talk to anyone they want about Survivor after the fact. Randi isn't producing a TV show, so a clause like that isn't necessary. Besides, as I've now said twice, all the terms of the agreement are available for you to read. Please stop speculating about what "might" be in it; there's no secret about what it says.

The fact that you find Randi's site "uninteresting" is irrelevant to this discussion.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 12:43 AM
Carter S. said:

"With that Randi James thing. I do think that there is a way to screw over a contestant. Since it is under controlled study. Those who are observing could lie. If the psychic is doing a reading to a random person, they could pay that person to say that everything is wrong. And so on.
I haven't read the Randi James contract or anything, but I will. But I do think there is always a way screw someone over in anything. Never know."

Carter, why not just READ the contract and see what it says? First, the contract states that all participants in the Challenge have to be accepted prior to starting by the person making the claim. In other words, the person trying to win the million bucks has to accept everyone involved in the challenge before it begins. There's no way to "slip someone in" after it starts or anything like that. The claimant also has to agree to the protocol which will be used before the Challenge begins. Randi has been very open about saying that this is so the claimant can't claim after the fact that they didn't know what was going to happen or how it would happen.

Also, as I've said before, Randi is NOT directly involved in the Challenge. If he is present, it is strictly as an observer. He does NOT test the claimant.

All this is in the agreement, which you can read at randi.org. If there is any swindling being attempted, it's on the part of the claimants, not Randi.
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 11:46 AM
Cranky Media Guy,

Yes, I said I WILL READ the contract. But those are my statements that I made before I read it. I will read it and make another statement. But until then that is my statement, and my opinion.
Think of it as a pre-statment. I guess.
I already know that Randi is not involved. You have mentioned that in the past. That is why I never mentioned him as the one observing the contestant.

So you find it impossible that these powers exist? Because there are many people who actually have seen into the future or know what's going to happen. Not saying they're psychic but, in my opinion, people have random things happen. Explain My experience at the theater.
You know maybe they aren't defying the known laws of physic at all. Maybe we haven't yet discovered all of the possibilities. It could be breaking the laws of physics that we know now, but in the future it could be a whole different story. We could discover something new and that might explain the unexplained.
That's pretty cool that you worked with that host. Maybe you could compete and take his job.

Kelly-

Hey they will lose sooner or later. Their win streak won't go on for much longer.ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! ugh hmm uh well bye
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 12:00 PM
Anybody can sue anyone for any thing. It is the matter of the persons accusations.
Doesn't mean that they will win, but they could.

Ps. I am at school right now. and I just got out of my sociology class. And we were talking about how people treat others because of race. Then off subject we started talking about the people who listen to psychics. I don't know how that happened. We discussed why they do it. Some say it is because they believe and others say they know it's fake, but they like to see how right the psychic is about them. Then one girl mentions sylvia browne and says she got about 90% of the reading right. She said sylvia told her that the girls grandma was in the hospital for knee surgery. And she was. And that one of the knees will have to be redone. which it had to. And I guess she also said that the girls dad was going to get fired from his job, but then land a job at some type of business broker thing and He did. I don't know. I will ask her more stuff tomorrow. Get more details for you guys.

She's hot too. So it's a good way for me to talk to her. wink wink
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 02:20 PM
Carter,

To keep an open mind you need to stay skeptical. Those who "want to believe" give up looking for other explanations too easily. Since I wasn't at the movies with you and your family, I can't give you an explanation about the car break in. I can offer some possibilities and things to think about if something like that happens again. For instance, suppose your mother, just one time, left her purse on the seat instead of underneath it. That would have been an invitation for a thief to break in. And if your mother subconsciously remembered doing that, she might subconsciously start to think the car would be broken into. She may have even deliberately made up the story cover up her oversight. If the car had not been broken into you would never have given the "vision" a second thought. People will usually forget the premonitions that don't "come true", but the ones that do, stand out in their memory. This is known as "selective reasoning".

About the voices in your sister's room, there are an unlimited number of possible explanations. Similar cases have been the result of baby crib monitors and AM/FM radios. The receivers of these inexpensive devices are suseptable to interference by cordless telephones and other types of transmitters. Perhaps it was your neighbors talking or they had their TV on too loud or someone was playing a trick on you. I can't say for sure since I wasn't there but if I had been, I would have kept looking until I found the answer. I have my own story of "voices". There turned out to be a perfectly logical explantion and the only reason I found it was because I was sure voices don't create themselves so I kept looking until I solved the mystery.

To see rational explanations of other "strange events", check out this article by paranormal investigator Joe Nickell:
<a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-09/i-files.html">Haunted Inns</a>
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 02:54 PM
Carter S said:

"...we started talking about the people who listen to psychics. I don't know how that happened. We discussed why they do it. Some say it is because they believe and others say they know it's fake, but they like to see how right the psychic is about them."

Yes, those are certainly some of the motivations that cause people to listen to "psychics."

"Then one girl mentions sylvia browne and says she got about 90% of the reading right. She said sylvia told her that the girls grandma was in the hospital for knee surgery. And she was. And that one of the knees will have to be redone. which it had to. And I guess she also said that the girls dad was going to get fired from his job, but then land a job at some type of business broker thing and He did. I don't know. I will ask her more stuff tomorrow. Get more details for you guys."

Carter, one of the dirty little secrets of "cold reading" (a technique that phony "psychics" use to make it appear that they know things about people that they actually don't) is that there are only a few parts of the body, generally speaking, that most people have trouble with, especially as they get older. That's why you'll see John Edward, for example, say something like, "Head or chest" referring to a person's alleged health problems. In the case of an older person, a problem with the legs or knees is hardly unusual.

What your friend is almost certainly not remembering is that Sylvia wasn't actually all that specific. I wasn't there, of course, but what happens in many, if not most, of these cases, is that the person getting the "reading" responds to the "psychic's" broad guesses by giving more information which the "psychic" then uses to hone in on the story. This is the essence of cold reading. After the fact, the sitter tends to misremember what happened, thinking that there were more specifics given by the "psychic" than actually happened. When people analyze tapes of cold readings, it is seen that the "psychic" was much more vague than the sitter recalls.

A few years back, my wife did her first and only "cold reading" using a Tarot deck for a friend of mine and his girlfriend. We didn't tell them that it was just a trick; my wife claims no psychic ability. She used the exact technique I'm talking about here: she simply said general things and as she saw which they responded to, she honed in on those subjects.

After the fact, Tom and his girlfriend were convinced that Chrissy had "psychic powers." The girlfriend, in particular, was very impressed, saying that Chrissy could obviously "see" things about her. Chrissy had never met this woman before in her life and knew nothing about her other than her first name and the fact that she was Tom's girlfriend. My wife used classic "cold reading" techniques. Tom and his girlfriend remember the event differently from what actually happened; they're convinced that Chrissy TOLD them things that they actually told HER. That's how "cold reading" works.

"She's hot too. So it's a good way for me to talk to her. wink wink"

I've heard of worse ways to get to talk to a girl. Go for it, Buddy.
Kelly
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 | 10:40 PM
Who mentioned CONTRACTS?! Anyone can BR8 and CONTRACT!!!!! LOOK AT MS. MARTHA STEWART..... or The huge ENRON? That went all to hell! Or.... Mr. President Nixon! Etc; a contract doesn't mean CRAP in this Nation/World!!

Carter was it U that had the class that turned into ?'S About 'PSYCHIC READINGS'? Maybe someone "UPSTAIRS" NEED YOU TO HEAR THAT. I don't belive in Consquines SP? So.....I Believe YOU WERE MEANT TO BE THERE AT THAT TIME, AND WITH THAT DISCUSSION. VERY, VERY HAIR RAISING COOL MAN!!! See If U can get your Teacher or Professor to TRY and see what's REALLY UP with MS. BROWNE.

Later,
Kelly.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 12:48 AM
Kelly said:

"Who mentioned CONTRACTS?! Anyone can BR8 and CONTRACT!!!!!"

Yes, anyone can break a contract and anyone can be SUED for doing so. If Randi has pointed out several times on his website that taking the Challenge is entering into a contract and that, if he didn't pay off if someone won, he could be sued. How could he possibly stop someone who did that, especially a person who believed that they had been screwed out of a million dollars?

"LOOK AT MS. MARTHA STEWART..... or The huge ENRON? That went all to hell!"

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Martha Stewart went to jail for inside trading. That has NOTHING to do with breaking a contract. The CEO of Enron has yet to see the inside of a court room. One of the other top executives has gone to jail but it wasn't for breaking a contract. It was for fraud. What is your point here?

"Or.... Mr. President Nixon! Etc; a contract doesn't mean CRAP in this Nation/World!!"

Again, what are you talking about? Nixon didn't go to jail and certainly was NOT charged with anything resembling breaking a contract. In fact, he was never formally charged with anything. He resigned when the heat became too much for him.

I'm sorry but you just aren't making sense here.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 05:59 PM
Captain Al,
Yeah, I stay skeptical, but I still don't rule anything out. Hard to explain. Like, I never use to believe in extra terrestrial life. But one night I was playing with my dog and started looking at the stars. I noticed a shooting star(meteor of course). As I started to make my wish,( I was 13 so give me a break.) the "star" stopped. I was like what the f**k? Then the star started to go in the opposite direction. then diagonal. stopped for 10 sec. then was gone. I ran in scared, I told my parents and they were like "uh huh" "ok". But Although it could have been "something", or some kind of a military experiment, it made me think about the universe and how it is so big. There is no reason for me to not think there is life on other planets. So until I actually see an alien or until they find out they don't exist I will keep an open mind about it. It turns out that it has happened to my dad before as well. Asshole made me think I was nuts.

But anyway sorry for all that. I know for a fact that my moms purse was under the seat because I helped her do it. I guess it wasn't good enough. But she is not paranoid about that stuff.
"She may have even deliberately made up the story cover up her oversight."
Well she is not like that. She said that out of nowhere it just showed up on the screen. She thought it was a preview for something. until she saw that nothing was on the screen and that it was her purse and our yukon that she saw. She said that she didn't even think about the purse until that happened.

Your right people do just remember the preminitions that come true, that's why all those people sit in the audience of montel, they only remember that right stuff. Of course, we wouldn't have really thought of it if it didn't actually happen. But it did. and it was true. We would probably still be making fun of her.

With those voices, I am still doing some investigating. When it comes to strange things in my house I always look for an answer first, because if I assume the paranormal, it would be a very creepy place to live. I still don't know how my toilet flushed on it's own. It wasn't the toilet running, it was being flushed. And no one was even near the bathroom. If they were I would have seen them.

But thanks for those possiblities, I have already thought of some of them. But I will still share them with my family and see what they think.

I will look at that site. you're always helpful. Thanks man.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 06:32 PM
Cranky Media Guy,

Im not saying that I believe in sylvia or that it was a really good reading, but I was trying to let you guys in on the discussion that my class and I had.

Yeah, I saw a guy on some show do cold readings and it was so funny. He said pretty much the same thing to everyone. They were all impressed. He then told the secrets of cold readings and it was quite interesting. Which are the ones you just mentioned. Sometimes when I watch sylvia on montel, I will guess what sylvia will say and I am usually right, the weird thing is, Im not psychic!! It's a fun game, for every time you get something right,you take a shot of vodka. You'll get drunk fast. But I still think it's possible that psychics exist. I mean, yeah there are a lot of fakes, but I think that some people have preminitions from time to time. With out their trying. I don't know, I am still going to say that it could exist.

I will ask that girl though, about her reading, and fill you guys in on it. I am curious to know more.
Yeah it is a pretty bad way to get a girl to talk to you. But she seems interested. Oh yeah!!
Thanks Media Guy.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 06:38 PM
Kelly,

Yeah, I will see what my professor knows about her. If she doesn't then I will fill her in.
I don't know I mean, I had to be in there at that time because it was my class, and it would have been a waste of money if I didn't go. But maybe the discussion was destined to be......... Talk to you later.

ps. Colts are going to looooosssssse!!
Go Giants.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 06:41 PM
Captain Al, Cranky Media Guy.

My response to your previous entries are on the previous page. Thanks Bye.
Kelly
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 10:58 PM
CMG,

Ms. Martha Stewart was an TRADER or AGENT for a Famous Brokage Company. SHE KNEW what she was doing. She BROKE HER CONTRACT, even though she wasn't working for the firm any longer. She and her Dear Friend who called her and they both suggested to SELL, and SELL NOW. She was IN THE BUSINESS! She KNEW RIGHT from WRONG. So.... That goes to show YOU, THAT ANYONE CAN unlawfully BR8 and CONTRACT!! I don't care who you are?

Our President in the 70's Mr. Nixon, had an LEAGAL CONTRACT VIA THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! HE STOLE FROM US, HE BROKE HIS PROMIS, = "CONTRACT". NOT EVERYONE GOES TO JAIL FOR BR8ING A FREAKIN' CONTRACT!! YOU UNDERSTAND NOW??!

Kelly.





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Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 | 11:19 PM
From Carter,

Here is a great site.

http://www.victorzammit.com/skeptics/reward.html

also " " " " " larryking.html
" " " " " deluding.html
" " " " " funding.html
" " " " " response.html

You know what the " means.....those are others links in his web site. this might give you guys a new perspective into Randi James.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 01:26 AM
Hey, Carter, did you read what that guy says on his site about Randi's Challenge?

He drops this bomb early in his ramblings:

"From the psychic's perspective, the offerer physically exudes too much negativity which interferes with the psychic's powers. The offerer will cause the experimenter effect. He should not be physically present during the psychic demonstration. He of course could watch and conduct the proceedings through closed circuit television."

Um, what's the word I want here? Oh, yeah, BULLSHIT! First off, this assumes that there are such things as "psychic powers," which, of course, has not been established. Then he assumes that these "powers" can be affected by the "experimenter effect" whatever the hell that is.

He soon goes on to say that the preliminary testing should be eliminated for "documented psychics." Uh, who would THOSE be? The whole purpose of the Challenge is to document whether or not the claimants have psychic powers. In the absence of the Challenge, what documentation would there be, pray tell? I suspect he means that anyone who says, "Hey, I'm a psychic; I have my own TV show and everything" or the equivalant should be able to skip the preliminaries. Basically, he wants the Challenge to begin with the assumption that these people really are "psychic" which, of course, is the exact wrong way to run a scientific test.

Here's a thought: why doesn't this Zammit guy pony up his own million bucks, run a challenge the way he thinks one should be run and "prove" that there are such things as psychic abilities?

Since he seems sure that they exist, he should have no trouble designing a "test" that will prove their existance. Why is he bitching about someone else's challenge? He could prove his point AND give some money to a poor, needy "psychic."

By the way, Randi has written about this guy on his website, randi.org. You didn't "uncover" anything new.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 01:44 AM
"Ms. Martha Stewart was an TRADER or AGENT for a Famous Brokage Company. SHE KNEW what she was doing. She BROKE HER CONTRACT, even though she wasn't working for the firm any longer. She and her Dear Friend who called her and they both suggested to SELL, and SELL NOW. She was IN THE BUSINESS! She KNEW RIGHT from WRONG. So.... That goes to show YOU, THAT ANYONE CAN unlawfully BR8 and CONTRACT!! I don't care who you are?"

No, Kelly, that is not correct. Martha Stewart was convicted of "insider trading." What that means is that she was found guilty of having information about a stock which was not available to the general public. She was not an "agent" for a stock company; she was a person who owned some stock and HAD an agent working for her.

"Our President in the 70's Mr. Nixon, had an LEAGAL CONTRACT VIA THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! HE STOLE FROM US, HE BROKE HIS PROMIS, = "CONTRACT"."

Would you please see if you can find the "contract" that Richard Nixon was a signatory to? I'll try this again: Nixon was convicted of NOTHING. He resigned before he could be charged with any crimes and was pardoned by his successor, Gerald Ford (who I once spoke to on the phone, by the way) of any potential crimes.

"NOT EVERYONE GOES TO JAIL FOR BR8ING A FREAKIN' CONTRACT!!"

Yes, of course, nor does everyone who steals a car or robs a bank go to jail. What's your point?

"YOU UNDERSTAND NOW??!"

Yes, I understand that you don't know what you're talking about. I never said that everyone...oh, this is stupid. I'm sorry, but I just cannot continue with attempting to explain the extremely obvious to you.

Many people have applied over time for the Million Dollar Challenge. I guess ALL of them have been screwed out of the money yet for some strange reason, NONE of them has brought charges for fraud. Wow, it's a BIG conspiracy!

Yes, contracts can be broken; that happens all the time. A person has the legal right, however, to SUE if they are on the losing end of a broken contract.

Your "logic" seems to be, "I once heard about someone who broke a contract and got away with it. That means that ANYONE can break ANY contract and nothing will happen to them." Uh, no. People sue over broken contracts every day in this country; many of them win their lawsuits.

If you think that Randi has broken a contract with someone, why don't you try to find that person and tell us what they say about why they didn't sue? Or would you rather just spout off on things you know nothing about?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 01:58 AM
Carter S said:

"I will ask that girl though, about her reading, and fill you guys in on it. I am curious to know more.
Yeah it is a pretty bad way to get a girl to talk to you. But she seems interested. Oh yeah!!
Thanks Media Guy."

No, I think it's actually an original way to talk to a girl. It's GOT to be better than some of the stupid lines some guys try. At least in this case, you're indicating that you value her opinion on a subject. That ought to make her feel good. Good luck!
Carter S
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 11:21 AM
Cranky Media Guy,

What that guy wrote kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't really agree with some of that stuff, but I did uncover, for me anyway,(and just in case for you guys), that randi was saying that psychic abilities could very well exist. I believe it was on the Larry King link on that website. Now I thought that he was a hardcore skeptic like you and captain al. After he was out done by that psychic rosetta or something he started admiting that they could very well exist. I mean to me that doesn't sound very good on his part. I might be looking at this in the wrong way, but he says that it doesn't exist and then he says oh yeah it could exist.

Yeah I did realize that he was saying that psychics do exist. He wasn't staying open minded to the fact that it couldn't exist.

Cranky said:
"Here's a thought: why doesn't this Zammit guy pony up his own million bucks, run a challenge the way he thinks one should be run and "prove" that there are such things as psychic abilities?"
I completely agree with you on that. That's what I was thinking the whole time I was reading it.


"By the way, Randi has written about this guy on his website, randi.org. You didn't "uncover" anything new."
Yeah, um... I wasn't thinking that I uncovered something new, But I just thought you might want to read it. See your opinion on it.

Yeah, I can't believe that some guys use pick up lines like 'what's your sign?' f**king stupid. I usually just go up to the girl and introduce myself, which I guess is a pick up line but not a cheesy one. But in this case I have some kind of a base to work on. She wasn't in class today so I couldn't ask her.
lindsay
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 12:52 PM
adressing the matter of whether or not psycics really exist, i dont think that we can really place limitations on what can and cant happen in the universe. we cant say that pyscics dont exist because they stretch beyond the limitations that humans have deemed reasonable for the universe. theres a little thing called a miracle, and miracles are things that happen that shouldnt be possible. Miracles do happen, so obviously our limitations on the universe can be broken. for almost everything that i encounter there are exceptions to the rules. they are many things that we cant explain and many things that happen that we think are impossible. so i think that we cant rule out the possibility of a psycic, especially since ppl have foretold the future before.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 02:33 PM
Lindsay said:

"we cant say that pyscics dont exist because they stretch beyond the limitations that humans have deemed reasonable for the universe. theres a little thing called a miracle, and miracles are things that happen that shouldnt be possible."

What we CAN say is that when "psychics" are tested under controlled conditions, they fail to prove that they have the abilities that they claim. IF there is such thing as "psychic ability," NO ONE has proven that they have them.

What "might be" is irrelevant. We are interested in what IS. If someone makes an extraordinary claim and they can't back it up, there simply is no reason to believe them.
Lindsay
Member
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 02:47 PM
:lol: good point cranky
Carter S
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 | 09:02 PM
I believe it to be real. But I don't really think that it is something that can be controlled. Unlike sylvia browne saying that she can control it. I think that it happens involuntarily (spell check). I think it can happen to everyone but to some people even more so.
Kelly
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 | 12:29 AM
C.M.G.;
I was up until 4am looking for SOMETHING that I could prove to you that Folks, Rich or Poor can and have Broken Contracts; ie; DEALS. And some get away with it. That is what I WAS TRYING STUPIDLY to convey to you.

As for Mr. Randi.....I wrote him the other day, Asked him one ? If Sylvia Browne had been Investigated? He wrote back YES. I Replied; and asked then WHY HASN'T SOMEONE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT HER?? It's like STEALING money from the Deaf, Dumb and Blind for Heaven's sake! This is what He wrote back to me........

Sorry, I can
Lindsay
Member
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 | 11:18 AM
haha aww thats rude

😕
Carter S
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 | 10:19 PM
Kelly,

I think you should e-mail him again. Tell him that your not a teen-bopper writing him a message. Tell him that you are a grown adult trying to figure this whole Sylvia mess out. Tell him that you are just a concerned citizen and that you would like a respectful response, and an apology. Well that is what I would do.

This guy is obviously not respectful. He is trying to convince people about his own beliefs. But I don't think that's going to do it, by being rude like that.

I will also e-mail him and ask some qusetions.

Later.
Kelly
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 12:24 AM
I did just that Carter, and his reply was for me to GROW UP?? Then I mentioned the BBB ordeal, he wasn't happy to see that was released to the public!!

Too Badddddd!!!!
Carter S
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 11:01 AM
He is the one that needs to grow up.

I think he's one of the biggest morons, that I have heard of.

What did he say about the BBB comment?
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 03:30 PM
haha i may just have to email that guy 😉 nothing like obnoxious teenage fun. oh yes, he wants to see immature? me and my friends can defetly show him that. should be fun this guy kinda gets on my nerves. especially with his disrespect.
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 03:30 PM
definetly**
Carter S
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 07:15 PM
Yeah, I think that randi needs to get some friends. He obviously has none.

He probably just sits in his basement, with the lights off, (only the computer light shining) and draws on sylvia brownes picure thinking about some ways to kill her.

I am definitely going to e-mail this guy.

I will mention the BBB, over, and over and over again.
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