The Museum of Hoaxes
sylvia browne
Posted By:
padego
Apr 04, 2005
 Just thought I'd peruse Ms. Browne's site for news of the pope, oddly theres no mention....

http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm
Category: Prophecy-Psychic; Replies: 765

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lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 10:27 PM
yeah
i soo emailed that guy
im sorry that he was so rude kelly. bleh. that makes me angry.hehe i got him back. :lol: prolly not the most mature thing to do, but it was too much fun to pass up...man i could send this guy so much junk mail.
lindsay
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 10:27 PM
yessssssssss
i started a new page
Carter S
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 11:20 PM
Send him as much junk mail as you can.

Send him pics of sylvia browne, that might drive him over the top.
I still need to e-mail him.
Carter S
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 11:44 PM
Lindsay,

What did you say to him?

:coolcheese:
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 | 11:58 PM
You realize, of course, that there is nothing to prevent one of us from notifying Randi that you're doing that. Sending someone junk in the mail may be a crime. I'm not an attorney, so I don't know, but I'd be careful about something like that.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 12:07 AM
Cranky is right, it wouldn't be a good idea.

I'll just egg his house, j/k
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 12:08 AM
What is the BBB thing? I seem to have missed that. I assume it refers to the Better Business Bureau, right?

As for Randi "sitting in his basement," uh, the man is a world traveller who has lectured on several continents. As I pointed out a while back, several years ago, he won a MacArthur Foundation "genius" grant of several hundred thousand dollars. He's a lot of things, but a basement-sitter he ain't.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 12:49 AM
BBB, now that you mention it. I guess it does mean Better Business Bureau. I guess it means something else too, I don't know ask Kelly.

Yeah that whole randi "sitting in his basement" thing was just a stupid joke on my part. I tend to do that when I have nothing to say.

Did you hear about the rabbi and the.... oh never mind. Again I have nothing to say.
lindsay
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 06:10 PM
lol sending someone junk mail isnt a crime. harrasment is. but i wont harras him. hopefully hes not anal

they didnt accept my email because it didnt have proper punctuation.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 06:23 PM
Lindsay,

You go girl!!! Yeah that is true about the e-mail thing, but they could probably prevent you from e-mailing him again. Which would suck. I don't really know if they can block you out or not but it's possible. I think?

Oh, Randi is ANAL. Look at him. He got mad because Kelly wrote something that he didn't like.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 08:49 PM
"Yeah, I think that randi needs to get some friends. He obviously has none."

Not true. Randi's list of friends include:

Johnny Carson (TV personality)
Isaac Azimov (world famous science writer, author of over 400 books)
Carl Sagan (astronomer, lecturer, author)
Phil Plait (the Bad Astronomer)
Murray Gell-Mann (winner, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1969)

Match that up against YOUR list of friends.

A person who has even one of these people as a friend, certainly deserves a little respect. And if you want a little respect in return when you write to him, at least make sure your grammer is fairly good and your ideas are well thought out.
Kelly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 | 09:49 PM
Capt.Al, My Grammer was PERFECT. Thanks. And oh yes, is "GOD", or "JESUS CHRIST", or even the "VIRGIN MARY" A Friend of RANDI? No, because he doesn't BELIEVE in any of THEM. I do believe, and I do believe "THEY" TOP ALL OF MR. RANDI'S SO CALLED FRIENDS. One of which has "PASSED ON TO THE OTHER SIDE", Unless Mr. Randi is 'COMMUNICATING' WITH MR. JOHNNY CARSON?????! Hum....Will have to look into that one.

Kelly
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 | 07:15 AM
Kelly,

Isaac Azimov and Carl Sagan have also "passed on to the other side" as well. Please post some pictures of you with your friends God, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. Or will we just have to trust your word on that?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 | 02:18 PM
Kelly said:

"And oh yes, is "GOD", or "JESUS CHRIST", or even the "VIRGIN MARY" A Friend of RANDI? No, because he doesn't BELIEVE in any of THEM. I do believe, and I do believe "THEY" TOP ALL OF MR. RANDI'S SO CALLED FRIENDS."

Kelly, I refer you to the second of my sixteen rules:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

Got anything to say about God that DOESN'T violate one of my rules?
lindsay
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 | 03:35 PM
wow ur using that on here too cranky? everyone time someone says something about God you dont have to debate them on it...

i love jesus

r u going to debate me on that or say a rule? its just a comment. Kelly is friends with Jesus and God and blah blah. i no that theyre real but since you dont believe in them then i guess that you can believe that shes firends with a myth. it doesnt matter.

Johnny Carson (TV personality)
Isaac Azimov (world famous science writer, author of over 400 books)
Carl Sagan (astronomer, lecturer, author)
Phil Plait (the Bad Astronomer)
Murray Gell-Mann (winner, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1969)

id say that my friends match up pretty good. i dont care if they have a big name or are renown in their vocations. theyre amazing. so yeah i guess since im friends with such amazing ppl whenever you speak to me u must use perfect grammar. :cheese: yesssss

dont treat ppl how u dont want to be treated. he was obnoxious to kelly, guess what? i was obnoxious to him. big stinkin deal. its not like hes some God. hes a person. just like you and me and everyone else. i look at personality and his personality isnt impressing me so far. ive got to say i have little respect for the man. idk who his friends are. all that matters is who he is.
Kelly
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 12:04 AM
Capt. Al, and CMG,

Has badly as it is to even get my fingers to the damn key board, I will answer you both. Or try.

Capt. Al,
You may NOT be able to see GOD, JESUS, and HAIL MARY but I KNOW for a FACT that THEY have ALL been my FRIENDS for all of my 44 Yrs. Or I would've been dead by now. Recall me Blabbing that I was Abused; Physically, and etc;? Well, being 5 yrs. old, and being THROWN down a FLIGHT of stairs not once but several times and NOT DYING?? Being STEPPED ON, KICKED, PUNSHED, REPEATABLY ALL FOR 38 YEARS, AND STILL ALIVE, I first TRIED to kill myself when I was seven years old, I drank an whole bottle of Nose Drops. And Still I lived. I have tried several times since then to end this GOD ONLY KNOWS LIFE of mine, only to SURVIVE IT........? SO...... THERE IS MY PROOF. TO YOU MR. CAPT. AL.
AND AS FOR YOU CMG, DITTO..........
And I don't know anything about your freakin' 16 Rules either.

Good Night, err morning.
Kelly
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 12:13 AM
Kelly said:

"You may NOT be able to see GOD, JESUS, and HAIL MARY but I KNOW for a FACT that THEY have ALL been my FRIENDS for all of my 44 Yrs."

I refer you to Rule Number Two:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

Also Rule Number Eleven:

"What you are told by the voices in your head is NOT proof of the existence of God."

"I first TRIED to kill myself when I was seven years old, I drank an whole bottle of Nose Drops. And Still I lived."

I refer you to Rule Number Seven:

"The fact that you (or someone you know, read or heard about) had some kind of experience that you or they can
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 12:19 AM
lindsay said:

"i love jesus

"r u going to debate me on that or say a rule? its just a comment. Kelly is friends with Jesus and God and blah blah. i no that theyre real but since you dont believe in them then i guess that you can believe that shes firends with a myth. it doesnt matter."

I refer you to Rule Number Two:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

I guess since you believers keep offering up the same non-proofs over and over again, I have to keep responding with the same logical rule(s).

I think I'm going to have to add a new rule:
"Repeating the same non-proof(s) over and over again is NOT proof of the existance of God."

Done! We now have 17 Rules.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 12:21 AM
I don't know for sure whether there really was a historical Jesus Christ, but I DO believe that loving God is the exact equivalent as loving Lara Croft. Both are fictional characters, in my opinion.

And with that comment, I suggest we get back to making fun of Sylvia Browne.
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 11:58 AM
Captain Al,

Yeah I am the one who wrote that whole friends thing.

I was implying that I thought he was a loser. Those friends aren't that empressive either.

Here are some of my friends:

Alex Smith (QB- UofU, San fransisco 49ers)
The Dyson Brothers (WR-Kevin, and CB- Andre)
Elijah Wood (Mr. Frodo)(we drink together)(surf together)
Billy Boyd ( Pippin Took)(we drink together)(in fact he is the one who got me to drink for the first time)(Surf together)
Beer (just kidding)
Jon Huntsman Jr. (Gov. of Ut)( I am one of the campaign managers for him.)
My physics Prof.( Wrote many books on the subj)
(That may sound weird, but I was already friends with him before I enrolled in his class)(that still sounds weird doesn't it)
My Dad (Legislator) (I know that doesn't count)
My 50 or so friends that are my age..Freakin awesome.
AND OF COURSE

GOD..........."music plays"................


So those are mine. By me telling you that, do you care? No. But do I care about randi's friends? No. My friends may not all be geniuses but some are more world renoun than those guys.


Well anyway that was a waste of time. I have some homework to do.
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 12:07 PM
I Forgot to put.......... NEXT!!!
carter
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 12:09 PM
Captain Al,

Put my list and randi's friends up against your list of friends.
lindsay
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 03:29 PM
:long: ahh kelly im so sorry. that must have been terrible. there is no excuse for things like that to have to happen to a young girl, any one actually. but especially a little girl. thats a good testimony. (cranky im making the comment dont freakin quote me!!! im sry but that is horribly annoying)

carter-

elijiah wood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahah that rocks. :cheese: freakin sweet.

cranky-

o me oh my..
"lindsay said:

"i love jesus

"r u going to debate me on that or say a rule? its just a comment. Kelly is friends with Jesus and God and blah blah. i no that theyre real but since you dont believe in them then i guess that you can believe that shes firends with a myth. it doesnt matter."

I refer you to Rule Number Two:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

:blank:

wow...

you no i never would have imagined that really would have sent me to your list of rules. especially since i even said that i was saying that as a comment. when the freakin heck did i say that was some sort of proof? ahhhhhhh i cant take those stupid rules! how obnoxious! i cant even say a simple sentece. my goodness.

hey cmon quote me on this too

JESUS IS REAL NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY HOO HOO AHH HERE COMES The BIG LIST OF RULES!

cmon. and seriously. dont tell me your rules. i no them. if you start to quote me on that then that is ridiculous. my previous statement was just a comment. a comment. not a fact. a comment. read this word. and understand it. comment. ok thank you.

i dont mean to be rude. but that is very very difficult to have to deal with. so im very sorry.
lindsay
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 03:31 PM
Elijah******

yum i smell roast beef...mmmmm
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 06:56 PM
lindsay said:

"JESUS IS REAL NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY HOO HOO AHH HERE COMES The BIG LIST OF RULES!"

Well, not the entire list! I do, however, refer you to Rule Number Two:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

You made an statement in assertion of a fact. Unfortunately, you have no FACTS to back that up, so I must refute it. You'll probably now just repeat your statement, in the same or similar words. If and when you do, I'll be forced to refer you to my newest rule:

"Repeating the same non-proof(s) over and over again is NOT proof of the existance of God."

Substitute anything else for "God" in your statements and you'll see the truth of my Rule. A non-fact does not become fact through repetition.
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 07:23 PM
Lindsay,

Yeah, they call me their "Utah hook up".
(Elijah, and Billy)
But yeah it pretty much started out when I was in New Zealand for a trip to my aunts. My family and I were walking around small city, and there were people for the movie trying to see if anyone wanted to be an extra. I wanted to do it but my dad kept saying no thanks. But I did it anyway for free. Damn it!!! I did it for free because I wasn't there long enough, I would have had to stay an extra week to actually get payed, but couldn't.
So I was in the Helms Deep Scenario, and they separated people into the groups that they wanted for different parts. Orcs, Elves, and Humans.

I couldn't be an orc because I wasn't husky, or muscley enough. So they made me into an elf soldier. It was cool. I was a Hind archer. That's what they called. That means that I stood in the back of the other archers. There is hind, mid, and front archer. It was quite repetitive and boring. But it was still a good experience. I can't even see myself in the film though. Damn It!!!!!
But anyway I never got to meet with any of them until two days later when I was at the beach surfing. I was surfing and there was elijah, billy, and dominique, I guess Viggo and Orlando were on there way to come but I never got the chance to meet them. They kept saying "oh viggo is going to fall on his face" and laughed. I felt like a no body next to them.

But anyway, I was surfing and they came up and asked if they could surf along with me. I said yeah,( but thinking Hell yeah! and that was pretty much it. They were pretty good too, but I was better. ha ha

But then until just last year at the sundance film festival I ran into Elijah and Billy. This was at the abbravanel Hall. They were there because Billy was in a movie. But anyway we started to hang out a little, and they talked about their surfing experiences and saying how cool it was that they ran into me. It was awesome. Then Billy gave me a beer and we drank away.

But they got my number and I got theirs, and they say I have to take them snowboarding the next time they come in town. (which is never), But billy called me once after that to make a snowboarding date and talked some trash on my surfing.

But anyway, that's how I know them.
It's pretty cool though. I hope they call to go snowboarding.

They call me "Utah", besides the utah hook up.


Elijah******

yum i smell roast beef...mmmmm

I am confused, what does this mean?
Is that what your mom is making or is that what you think when you think of elijah.lol

Later
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 09:06 PM
Carter,

Pretty impressive list of friends, the ones I've heard of anyway. And I thought all you ever did was sit in your basement with the lights off (only the computer light shining) and draw on pictures of James Randi. The imaginary friends (God) don't count though. Anyone can claim that but no one has ever proved it.

To be honest, I'm not sure why anyone would admit to being friends with someone who killed 250,000 people with a tsunami, and 30,000 more with an earthquake, and made thousands more homeless with a hurricane. And that's just in the last year!

I think I'd keep that to myself.
lindsay
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 09:52 PM
carter-

wow thats a pretty impressive story. lol. lucky!!

orlando???!?!?!?!! you almost met him????? ahhh..man. i want to meet orlando! haha i love his accent.
so youre really in LOTR? amazing. thats great. haha pretty crazy. and you didnt even get paid. hehe that sucks.

and no i spelled Elijah wrong, so i was fixing the mistake. and then i smelled roast beef..and it smelled good lol but no my mom wasnt making it, she isnt home during the week a night cuz of her job :down: .
haha no i dont think of roast beef when i think of him. although i may now because of this for a while lol. my friend emily would die, she claimed to be in love with him for the longest time.

capt al-

"To be honest, I'm not sure why anyone would admit to being friends with someone who killed 250,000 people with a tsunami, and 30,000 more with an earthquake, and made thousands more homeless with a hurricane. And that's just in the last year!"

capt al, same as you told carter. what proof do you have that God did that? im sorry but that is one of the most illogical and ignorant arguements i hear alot. you have no idea how many times i have to go over this. so id appreciate not having to do it again because to fully explain it takes alot of time. and im sleepy lol..i didnt really sleep last night. so if you really feel the need to be corrected then i will. but plz don't talk about things that you obvously dont understand. thats a very poor arguement. i hope that didnt sound rude, sorry if it did. that arguement is just starting to get on my nerves. what gets on my nerves even more is that ppl think its a good arguement..and its not. ahhh
sry lol
and actually being friends with the creator of the universe, someone that died for everyone's sins when he was perfect, is pretty amazing. something that ppl can definetly brag about. now cranky i no ur going to want to pull the list of rules out on this one, but al here made a comment that would be true if God was real and im simply replying in the same. for me its true for you it can just be hypathetical

any way if all of you are going to make us speak and debate by guidlines then you must too. al you that sentence is assuming that God exist and also assuming that he killed those ppl. you have no proof of either therefore now, going by the rules, well all disregard your statement completely. also well have to disregard what i said about God being a good friend to have. looky looky. isnt that annoying..very very. but we must live by the rules!

NEXT!

hah sry cranky that was just fun to do. no disrespect
lindsay
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 09:59 PM
were soooooo off topic

A.D.D.!

haha i prolly have that...

um yes back to sylvia
her last name is browne

ooooooh. on topic. mhm
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 11:18 PM
Linday,

What proof do I have that God did this?

According to you, your friend God is the "creator of the universe". You seem to imply God, if he/she exists, is all powerful and all knowing. Surely your God, if he/she exists, and being able to create a whole universe, could have easily stopped these disasters but chose not to. How many friends of God were killed here? How many of them prayed for their lives and were denied? If your friend God cannot prevent disasters like these, then what good is he/she?

These are legitimate arguments for the non-existance of supreme beings but you run away from them because they don't fit in with your ideas. Actual evidence indicates your God, if he/she exists, doesn't love everyone.
Kelly
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 | 11:47 PM
FREE WILL! FREE WILL! FREE WILL! 'GOD' DID NOT KILL ANYONE!!!!! U MORON! THIS AIN'T HEAVEN, OR MARS OR THE FREAKIN' MOON, IT'S EARTH, AND THE EARTH 'CHANGES DAILY'!! MY GOD! DIDN'T U GO TO SCHOOL?? 'GOD' DOES NOT KILL, WE DO!! OUR WEATHER DOES! FREAK ACCIDENTS DO! MURDERERS DO! BUT NOT 'GOD'! HE GAVE US 'FREE FREAKIN' WILL'! AND IT WAS, AND STILL IS UP TO US TO DO WHAT WE WILL WITH IT. NOW FOR THE OZONE LAYER, AND THE SCREWED UP WEATHER PATTERNS ARE ALL FROM A VERY CHANGING WORLD! AND......FROM US, AND OUR PASTS, AND OUR LOVED ONES, FREINDS, STRANGERS, TORRISTIS, ETC; NOT 'GOD'!! DID U PRAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE?? I BET NOT. MAYBE IT WAS 'THEIR TIME TO GO', MAYBE IT WAS THEIR DESTINY WHO THE HELL KNOWS? ALL I DO KNOW 100% IS THAT IT WAS NOT 'GOD' WHO KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE! IT WAS OUR 'CHANGING EARTH'! WHAT'D YOU THINK EVERYTHING IS SUPPOSE TO REMAIN THE SAME? NOTHING EVER CHANGING? THAT IS PART OF LIFE, DEAL WITH IT, OR GET THE HELL OUT. BUT STOP BLAMING 'GOD' WHOME YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN!!
AND THE WAR?? HELL, THAT WAS THE RICH SOB REPBULICIANS, NO OFFENSE TO ANY OUT THERE, YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, I THINK.........THE WAR WAS AND WILL EVER BE PRESIDENT BUSHES FAULT. THE BLOOD OF THOSE BOYS AND GIRLS, AND BABIES, AND KIDS AND ANIMALS R ON HIS HANDS THE THE GOVERMENT THAT 'LET HIM' DO IT.

NOW.......CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO SYLVIAL BROWNE.?
Kelly.
Kelly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 12:47 AM
http://www.harrisonline.com/audio/listings/jamesrandi.htm

Just found this, Don't know if You all out there know about this Link. Pretty Interesting stuff about PANSIE RANDI, AND SYLIVA BROWNE.......

Kelly.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:07 AM
Captain Al,

"Pretty impressive list of friends, the ones I've heard of anyway. And I thought all you ever did was sit in your basement with the lights off (only the computer light shining) and draw on pictures of James Randi."

How did you know I did that? Well that's only about 20 hours a day, so I still have four hours to think about the next tweny hours of drawing on his face. It's fun!

"The imaginary friends (God) don't count though. Anyone can claim that but no one has ever proved it."

Oh, "God don't count though", good grammar dude.

"To be honest, I'm not sure why anyone would admit to being friends with someone who killed 250,000 people with a tsunami, and 30,000 more with an earthquake, and made thousands more homeless with a hurricane. And that's just in the last year!"

Hey it's like what Kelly said, but you obviously don't have a clue about religion. And I am sure you don't care, so your thoughts don't count when it comes to religion.

"I think I'd keep that to myself."

What you mean, I love God, I consider him my friend, my creator, Oh crap I'm not keeping it to myself... oh well it wasn't meant to be.


Now Captain Al, shall I refer you to Cranky Media Guys rules or should he do it him self.

ps. Would you like to join me in my basement party, it'll be fun, we'll draw all over james randi's picture, then we will play scrabble..... Oh, what fun we'll have!!!!!!!!!!! It'll be the tops!!!


BRING PARTY CUPS...........AND COOKIES!!
Be there or be square. or triangle, which ever you prefer.....circle maybe...?


ONE MORE THING.... NERF PARTY......DEC 4TH.....BRING YOUR NERF TOYS....... AND PARTY CUPS!!!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:18 AM
Carter S said:

"Now Captain Al, shall I refer you to Cranky Media Guys rules or should he do it him self."

Oh, if you insist. Gee, there are SO many relevant rules to choose from here. I guess I'll just go with Ol' Reliable, Number Two:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

Oh, what the heck. Why don't I just throw in the newest member of my little Rules Club, The New Number Sixteen (moving the previous Number Sixteen to Number Seventeen):

"Repeating the same non-proof(s) over and over again is NOT proof of the existence of God."

You're welcome. NEXT!
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:21 AM
Lindsay,

Yeah, But I don't even think that I am actually in it. I could be, but I doubt it. I was only there for about 5 hours, and from what I heard it lasted for days. So I was probably not even in it.
So I don't consider myself actually being in it.

It does suck that I didn't get paid. I wonder how much I would've gotten?

He is really down to earth, and Billy is freakin hillarious!! I thought that Elijah would be sort of stuck up or gay, but he's not, so it's cool.

Sylvia Browne claims to be a psychic, but what other proof do we have of her false power? Is what we have enough?

There, now back to the subj.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:23 AM
Kelly said:

"Just found this, Don't know if You all out there know about this Link. Pretty Interesting stuff about PANSIE RANDI, AND SYLIVA BROWNE......."

I have a slow connection so I tend to shy away from audio and video downloads. From what I read on that site, though, it sounds as if the show is pro-Randi. Is that incorrect? If so, what does it say about him? Can you summarize it?

The site that you linked to accurately says that Sylvia has promised (on Larry King's CNN show) to take Randi's Challenge yet has never done so. That is correct. Wouldn't you agree that that doesn't speak very well of her? What is she afraid of? Why did she break her promise?
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:26 AM
Kelly,

I could debate you over the war for years, but your right it is a free country and I will not say anything but...........GO TROOPS!!!!

It's hard to resist a good political debate...ah ah!!!

Sylvia Browne could have powers, is there any proof that she is real? Let's hear some comments................................
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:32 AM
Cranky Media Guy,

You do realize, that Captain Al broke your rules, so I hope your giving him the rules, not me.

Since this is the sylvia site I should be able to make a comment about by belief in God, with out hearing you rules.

Captain Al was assuming that God exists. Don't you have anything to say about it?

So the rules weren't directed to me were they?
I am confused.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:34 AM
Oh uh... NEXT!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:41 AM
Kelly said:

"FREE WILL! FREE WILL! FREE WILL! 'GOD' DID NOT KILL ANYONE!!!!! U MORON! THIS AIN'T HEAVEN, OR MARS OR THE FREAKIN' MOON, IT'S EARTH, AND THE EARTH 'CHANGES DAILY'!! MY GOD! DIDN'T U GO TO SCHOOL?? 'GOD' DOES NOT KILL, WE DO!! OUR WEATHER DOES! FREAK ACCIDENTS DO! MURDERERS DO! BUT NOT 'GOD'! HE GAVE US 'FREE FREAKIN' WILL'!"

Kelly, please explain to me how poor people who live in a tsunami zone have the "free will" to get out of the way? How about the infants and children? Was it their fault that they lived where the ocean killed them? How about the sick people who couldn't have gotten out of the way? I fail to see how this is a "free will" issue for them.

OK, here's another little tidbit for you to chew on. Believers say that "God created us and loves us." Yet He stands by (metaphorically speaking) while bad things happen to good or innocent people and does nothing. Suppose you were a mother and you saw your child crawling toward a track down which a train was heading. YOU, I assume, would run as fast as you could to save your child. God, though, says, "Hey, tough shit! Free will." and does nothing at all. Would YOU do that? If not, why not?

If you saw your child crawling toward the train track and took no action, I wouldn't call you "loving." I'd call you a sociopath (and several other things as well).

Is this, in your mind, how a "loving" "intelligent" being acts? Please do not try to change the subject. Please stick to the examples I have provided: innocent person(s) in jeopardy while God does nothing.

Infants are born with crippling handicaps and/or diseases. Others are born into extreme poverty. This is NOT a "free will" issue. Yet the "loving" God you believe in allows them to suffer. That's some love there!

The simple fact is that bad things happen to good (or innocent) people every day and God allows it (if we assume that God exists, of course). In many, if not most, of these cases, free will is simply NOT a factor. Why does a "loving" God allow things like that? (We are, of course, assuming the usual attributes of God, specifically, that He can do absolutely anything at all.)

I'm sure you have some bizarre rationalization to offer in response. If we apply Occam's Razor to this seeming conundrum, however, it seems FAR more likely that God simply doesn't exist than that He does, is "loving" but looks the other way (again, metaphorically speaking) while His creations suffer. Of course, I suppose God *could* just be a sociopath, unable to empathize with the suffering of others.

By the way, just a suggestion: a person who types in ALL CAPS and displays a rudimentary--at best--familiarity with the rules of English grammar, spelling and punctuation really shouldn't accuse other people of not paying attention in school. Glass houses and all that.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:14 AM
Lindsay said:

"i dont mean to be rude. but that is very very difficult to have to deal with [my repetition of my Rules]. so im very sorry.

Oooh, you know, it might ALMOST be as annoying as having to deal with people who recite, over and over and over the same NON-proofs of the existence of God as if it's the very first time I've heard them. Almost.

When you believers stop reciting the same NON-proofs over and over, I will have NO reason to respond with my simple, logically consistant Rules. It isn't MY fault that your "proofs" of the existance of God aren't proof of anything. Stop making assertions you can't back up with FACTS and I won't respond to them with my Rules. Simple. Ball's in your court.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:44 AM
Cranky Media Guy,

Low Blow Dude. About her education. Some people don't have the same privileges as some people when it comes to school. She said she is dyslexic. Why make fun of that? She may accuse anything she wants, or say anything she wants because it is America.

"The simple fact is that bad things happen to good (or innocent) people every day and God allows it (if we assume that God exists, of course)."

You almost slipped, you need to be more careful.

When it is free will, that means your actions, not your settings that you grew up in. You can't help that can you. So free will, let's say stealing, murder, rape. All of that is free will.

"Kelly, please explain to me how poor people who live in a tsunami zone have the "free will" to get out of the way? How about the infants and children? Was it their fault that they lived where the ocean killed them? How about the sick people who couldn't have gotten out of the way? I fail to see how this is a "free will" issue for them."

It was the free will of that country to get a tsunami warning. But they learned their lesson. And now they do.

To me it's all a lesson to learn.

For the sick people, they had the free will to leave, maybe they couldn't, but it is still free will. You see it is the will of the person. And sometimes will can lead to action. But since they couldn't move, perhaps they have learned all they needed to learn and it's their time to leave.

To make someone love you, when they don't, let's say a magic spell, (I know they don't exist, but you never know) and that spell makes that person love you, it deprives them of free will. It was not their will. It was yours. You see.

"OK, here's another little tidbit for you to chew on. Believers say that "God created us and loves us." Yet He stands by (metaphorically speaking) while bad things happen to good or innocent people and does nothing. Suppose you were a mother and you saw your child crawling toward a track down which a train was heading. YOU, I assume, would run as fast as you could to save your child. God, though, says, "Hey, tough shit! Free will." and does nothing at all. Would YOU do that? If not, why not?"

If someone were to learn a lesson wouldn't let them learn it on their own? I would. They see that some people haven't learned, so now it's their time. It's up to them.

You have it all backwards. God is watching. If that person was to stand back and watch that baby crawl onto a train track, then it was the free will of the person, not god. It was like a test of their free will. That person had the free will to save the child or not. God doesn't say "Hey, tough shit! Free Will.", and he isn't doing nothing at all, he is watching. Waiting for that persons will to chose the destiny of the child.

"If you saw your child crawling toward the train track and took no action, I wouldn't call you "loving." I'd call you a sociopath (and several other things as well)."

Okay, your right that's not loving. And I as well would call that person a sociopath and several other things. But it was their will. No one elses. They chose to watch the baby crawl into it. Which they learned a lesson or they didn't.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:47 AM
CONTINUED...........


"Infants are born with crippling handicaps and/or diseases. Others are born into extreme poverty. This is NOT a "free will" issue. Yet the "loving" God you believe in allows them to suffer. That's some love there!"

Again, I say to learn, to be patient. When crippled children or children with disease are born, it is to test your patients, your love, and your devotion to that child. And to experience. Maybe that child will teach you something that you were so ignorant about in the past. To be born into poverty is of course not free will of the human, but maybe of the spirit. Perhaps the spirit had to learn what it was like to live that way. To learn also means to grow. That's why we are here on earth. To grow.

"The simple fact is that bad things happen to good (or innocent) people every day and God allows it (if we assume that God exists, of course). In many, if not most, of these cases, free will is simply NOT a factor. Why does a "loving" God allow things like that? (We are, of course, assuming the usual attributes of God, specifically, that He can do absolutely anything at all.)"

Of course bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people, and vice versa. It is all because of free will. Earth is really just like a planetarium,or museum, etc. We are learning new things every day, and God is waiting patiently for our success. Not interfering.
If he were to interfere, then we wouldn't learn anything. Let me ask you this, When everything goes smooth, and life is great. What do you learn?
Answer: Nothing, you don't learn any of the hard ships that come with learning.

Cranky Media Guy, Please do not give me any of your rules. Serioulsy please don't. I just wanted to give you an idea of free will. And my views on the way things are. Not implying that there is proof. Please no rules. Ok?
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 03:06 AM
Kelly,

If you would like to argue for the existence of God, then you can join us in the Religion Forum, It is under "PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND WIN $1,000,000". But back to sylvia.

congrats, your colts won!!!

How much proof is needed to actually prove her wrong? AAAHHH. the sweet sound of going back to the subj.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 03:22 AM
Does anyone want to hear a bipartisan bumper sticker?

Well here it is.



2008 "Run Hillary Run"

Democrats put it on the rear of their car.
Republicans put on the front of their car.

I found it quite funny.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 09:31 AM
"When crippled children or children with disease are born, it is to test your patients [sic], your love, and your devotion to that child."

People like Carter should not be allowed to procreate. Children are given birth defects to test their parent's faith? Give me a break. That is the most arrogant, egocentric attitude I've ever heard. It implies your life is more important than the innocent child's. If that is true, your God is a real asshole.

Of course this sort of thing is only believed by those who are fortunate enough to not have any birth defects. In the same way, a god letting hundreds of thousands of his/her believers be wiped out in a tsunami is more easily believed by those who live far inland.

Do the world a favor Carter, don't have kids.
Kelly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 01:51 PM
Okay Guys, Where the HELL did you Grow up at? And WHAT the HELL BROUGHT YOU UP??

HAVE ANY OF YOU HEARD OF THE WORD ''GROWTH''?!

Okay we r n a 'PERFECT' world.....There's no wars, no hatred, no diseases, no crippling babies, no retardation, no aids, no cancer, no weather problems, no dying young, no suicides, no blindness, no deafness, no muteness, no paralyzationess, no loosing of ones limbs, no cussing, no problems at all. And U THINK this is the WAY it should be if we have this so called LOVING 'GOD'? U R an DUMB ASS! U WOULD BE DEAD, AND HOPEFULLY, PRAYFULLY IN HEAVEN......FOR THAT IS WHAT IT IS LIKE IN HEAVEN. NO POLITICS EITHER. YAHOOOOOOO!!!!!!! NO OVER WEIGHTNESS!! YAHOOOO!!!!
NO IGORENCE!!!!! YAHOOOO!!!!!! U ALL BE DEAD AS A DOOR NAIL!! MORONS.

WE R HERE TO LEARN TO 'LIVE' NICELY AND LOVENLY TOGETHER! TO KEEP AN 'CLEAN EARTH'!! TO BE KIND TO ANIMALS, ECT;! LIFE IS NOT PERFECT UNLESS YOU LIVE ON THE MOON, OR ON AN ISOLATED ISLAND, OR HEAVEN. I'D PICK HEAVEN MYSELF.

DISEASES? I HAVE SO MANY I HAVEN'T HAVE ENOUGH FINGERS TO COUNT THEM ALL ON, AND I ENDURE THEM, AND ACCEPT THEM AND LEARN BY THEM! AND SEE OTHER'S REACTIONS TO THEM ESPECIALLY MY SIBLINGS AND THAT DEAR OLD MOTHER OF MINE. I WOULD NOT TRADE THEM IN FOR PANSIE-RANDI'S MILLION EITHER.

POVERITY? I'VE BEEN ON DISABILITY FOR YRS., I'VE HAD HAND ME DOWNS, I'VE NOT NOT GROWN UP RICH, OR EVEN HALF WAY RICH, I'VE BEEN POOR ALL OF MY LIFE, AND I'D RATHER GROW UP POORER THAN DIRT THAN
RICH!! YOU DON'T HAVE RESPECT FOR THE WORLD, FOR OTHER'S, FOR YOURSELF. YOU DON'T GET TO LEARN SO VERY MUCH. IT IS WORTH IT.

IF I WOULD DIE TODAY......? I'D LOOK AT MY SORROWFUL LIFE AND SAY HELL, IT WAS WORTH ALL THE LESSONS I NEEDED TO LEARN.

BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO ALL OF US. EVEN YOU CMG AND YOU CAPT. AND ALL OF US. IT'S LIFE, L.I.F.E. NOW IF YOU BOTH THINK YOUR LIFE SUCKS, OR THE WORLD AROUND YOU SUCKS, THEN GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND TRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALL. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK GOD PUT YOU HERE FOR? TO ARGUE HE DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE OF ALL HELL BR8ING LOOSE, AND THERE U BOTH SIT, WITH MILLIONS OF OTHER'S AND COMPLAIN, ' HOW COULD GOD DO THIS TO US, OR ME? OR THEM?" TO SEE IF THERE IS ''ANYONE OUT THEREEEEEE" WHO GIVES ENOUGH DAMN TO 'TRY' AND HELP, H.E.L.P. THOSE UNFORTUNATE FOLKS, ANIMALS, WORLD, NATIONS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, GIVE ME, 'GOD', AND THE REST OF THIS WORLD SOME MORE OF YOUR BULL SHIT EXCUSES!!

Kelly.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:18 PM
Captain Al,

You are one of the biggest idiots I know.

The fact that you can't even get laid makes you bitter to the fact that you have to say something like that. You make me laugh. How old are you? in your forties? You are sad. Well maybe you should get a life. Oh wait your life revolves around Star Trek I forgot, What A great life you must have. Boy do you put a smile on my face.

I am sure no women wants to procreate with you. ha ha ha. It's ok man, girls just don't like guys like you. But you still have your blow princess Leah doll in your closet.

"People like Carter should not be allowed to procreate. Children are given birth defects to test their parent's faith? Give me a break. That is the most arrogant, egocentric attitude I've ever heard. It implies your life is more important than the innocent child's. If that is true, your God is a real asshole."

God does not make the children have birth defects. But when it happens, It gives the parents a chance to show, Not there faith bud, but their love, devotion, and patients. It can teach the parents a valuable lesson that they could have been so ignorant about in the past. God doesn't give people defects in their baby. You see we go back to free will. If the parents are drinking or taking drugs( which I am sure your parents were) then most likely the baby will have some kind of a disorder. But it was the parents free will that made the baby like that.

Now if the disorder runs in the family blood line than I am sorry to say that it just happened and again, the parents may learn to never ever look at a disabled child the same way again. They will show more respect. Maybe help in the cause to help prevent something like that from happening again. It gives those parents a new perspective into life.

"Of course this sort of thing is only believed by those who are fortunate enough to not have any birth defects. In the same way, a god letting hundreds of thousands of his/her believers be wiped out in a tsunami is more easily believed by those who live far inland."

What makes you believe that I don't have any birth defects bud. Um ok, with the tsunami, again free will could have gotten the country an alarm system. Which probably would have saved Hundreds of thousands of people.

"Do the world a favor Carter, don't have kids."


Oh, I'll have Kids. I am sorry that your life has no women involved. First step is to actually talk to one. Then go out on a date. then maybe it will lead to a kiss..... Oh am I getting you excited, maybe I'll stop. But I sure hope those steps will get you started.

Don't forget about my basemant party... Bring cups

and My Nerf Party. It will be a blast. Bring a date..... Oh wait sorry, I forgot.. I be more careful next time.

Just don't bring your blow up doll. We want a sterile environment. Thanks and I'll see you there!!!!!!!!


Oh yeah and come in peace. Live long and prosper.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:24 PM
Captain Al,

You see. Kelly gets it.

This is a life of heartache, love, betrayal, evil, and let me tell you. You learn from it all. You are here to learn lessons, learn from your mistakes and correct them if you can. Make the best out of life. Even if you don't love God, He loves you. Even if you don't believe in God, He believes in you.
Kelly
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:26 PM
CAPS! Because I NEED to get my POINT ACROSS TO WHOMEVER! And because my fingers lock and freeze and i can't get the darn button of caps off. And it's also DARK where i am usually. Ma Dosen't like to be 'ALONE' so I am 99% on the computer at Night time, with NO LIGHTS ON, BUT THE COMPUTERS LITE, And I catch Hell for That light.

And MAN!! STOP bringing up the T. HORRIFIC ORDEAL that happened some mths. ago. IT WAS THE EARTH CHANGING MAN!! A lot of those folks STOOD THERE and saw this THING coming for them! Until it was too late to RUN for their Lives. And what about the BABY THEY FOUND, and Lots of Couples stood in line stating he or she was theirs. THAT WAS A MIRACLE THAT BABY, THAT TINY LITTLE LIFE SURVIVED. 'GOD' SAVED that wee one, why just that one? I don't have the answers for you there.

And so......Who CR8ED the EARTH?? At one time it was an GORGOUSE, FREE, EARTH. SO.....WHO CR8ED IT?

Ahhhh, you r going to say RANDI huh. Figures.

kelly
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:32 PM
Carter S said:

"Even if you don't love God, He loves you. Even if you don't believe in God, He believes in you."

I refer you to Rule Number Two:

"The sincerity of your belief in God is NOT proof of the existence of God."

Also, I refer you to Rule Number Sixteen:

"Repeating the same non-proof(s) over and over again is NOT proof of the existence of God."

As I've said before, the Rules were written to respond to believers who insist on repeating the same NON-proof of the existence of God. If you folks didn't feel the need to keep repeating the same inane points over and over, I wouldn't have to repeat the Rules over and over.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:37 PM
Carter S said:

"God does not make the children have birth defects. But when it happens, It gives the parents a chance to show, Not there faith bud, but their love, devotion, and patients."

Carter, you may be a decent guy, but this is the single more pathetic rationalization for the existance of handicapped children despite God's alleged "love" that I've ever seen.

In your mind, a "loving God" allows children to be crippled to "test their parents' love, devotion and patience?" That isn't any kind of love that *I* can understand. That's rationalizing on a level that I can scarcely begin to comprehend.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:37 PM
Cranky Media Guy,


Even if you don't love God, He loves you. Even if you don't believe in God, He believes in you.

Did you know that Cranky?

For one thing BUDDY, I was doing it to piss captain al off. But you may give me all the rules you want. I will just keep putting that down.

Have a good day sir.

Oh and I believe I responded to you about the free will issue. So are you going to avoid that as well?
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:56 PM
Cranky Media Guy,

"Carter, you may be a decent guy, but this is the single more pathetic rationalization for the existance of handicapped children despite God's alleged "love" that I've ever seen."


Well maybe I will have to think of another way of putting things. For one thing man, Just because someone has a disabled child, doesn't mean that God doesn't Love them ( Of , course assuming that he exists, I don't want any of your rules right now.)

"In your mind, a "loving God" allows children to be crippled to "test their parents' love, devotion and patience?" That isn't any kind of love that *I* can understand. That's rationalizing on a level that I can scarcely begin to comprehend."

Ok let me make this clear. We are on earth, God is watching us here on earth. He is not going to step in. Earth is where any thing happens. So, murders happen, rape happens, Bad things happen. When a disabled child is born, it is not to give the parent a lesson to learn, but it still provides them with a lesson to learn. Maybe that is the intention, I don't know, I am not God. I am just trying to show what free will is. But I am not making myself as clear as I would like t be.

"...but this is the single more pathetic rationalization for the existance of handicapped children despite God's alleged "love" that I've ever seen."

Ok, Did you read what I said. I said it is the FREE WILL of the person which can create such a bad thing to happen to a child. Like drinking or taking drugs while they are pregnant. Or sometimes it's is just in the DNA. I am not saying that God jsut says 'oh well, I guess I will go ahead and make this child disabled, there we go'. I am saying that on a planet like this, where everything is based on what the human race does, is not what God is doing, but it is our Will that is running this planet. We learn from mistakes, There is always a lesson to be learned.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 02:56 PM
Carter,

Typically when religious people have no answer for what happens in reality, they resort to insults. Why do you avoid the issue? You like to claim your god made everybody and everything but if a child is born blind or missing a limb, suddenly your god is no longer involved. You constantly change your views to suit the current situation. That's the beauty of religion.

You also seem to be forgetting people were being killed by tsunamis long before we had the technology to give advance warning. I'm not sure how "free will" applies here. Still, why should innocent people suffer for the "sins" of their governments? And what possible good does that do for the victims?

I've got an idea. Lets lock you in a building in an earthquake or flood zone and the next disaster that comes along, I'll have my faith tested by your suffering. I'm sure you'll agree to that. After all it's for my own good.
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 03:27 PM
Captain Al,


"Typically when religious people have no answer for what happens in reality, they resort to insults. Why do you avoid the issue? You like to claim your god made everybody and everything but if a child is born blind or missing a limb, suddenly your god is no longer involved. You constantly change your views to suit the current situation. That's the beauty of religion."


HMMM... let me see. What was the reason why I insulted you? Oh yeah I forgot. I was just retaliating to your insult on me. Wow, nice try though.

I am not avoiding the issue. If I am please, tell me how?

Here is My take on things. God created us and the planet and the universe. He then gave us free will. Which means he will not step in and help us on things. We learn from the bad and good.

So I am not saying that the reason why children are born with no disabilities is because God had something to do with it. It is because the parents had a say in that, They ate healthy, didn't smoke. But of course there is something called DNA, sometimes it's good DNA to be blessed with, or it's bad DNA where disease is sometimes or always the case.

So whether Bad things happen or Good things happen, it is not God but the Free will of the human race. God (to me ) Is just watching, stepping in when he feels things have gone to far.

Just by things like the Tsunami and the hurricanes, isn't because god wants it to happen, it's because He is letting things go. Us humans are in control of Earth not him. Which I am sure he could if he wanted to. But, you know what, who am I to say what God wants or What his purposes are. He knows, I am just simply trying to find out, and do my best. Since these are my beliefs, your criticism does not matter to me. I am not trying to change your minds, because I could care less about your beliefs. I am only repsonding because I wanted to share what I thought.

"You also seem to be forgetting people were being killed by tsunamis long before we had the technology to give advance warning. I'm not sure how "free will" applies here. Still, why should innocent people suffer for the "sins" of their governments? And what possible good does that do for the victims?"

You do know that they detected Tsunamis by watching the waves, usually when an earthquake hit they watched the waves. And could tell by how the waves reacted. But now since we have Technology we don't really rely on our common knowlege, We rely on our machines. The country simply didn't see it coming. But would have if they were to have an alarm system.

Free will Applies here because they have the Free Will to intsall an alarm system. They had the free will to do it in the past but didn't. They learned from their mistake of not having an alarm system.


"I've got an idea. Lets lock you in a building in an earthquake or flood zone and the next disaster that comes along, I'll have my faith tested by your suffering. I'm sure you'll agree to that. After all it's for my own good."

You would like that wouldn't you. But hey if your game, I'm game!!!

Let's do it. But then again, I have to go draw on randi's picture so I might not have time. We'll find the time though won't we buddy ol' pal.
lindsay
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 04:07 PM
theres alot to comment on lol.

carter kelly youve made alot of good points despite what the others said, i liked the arguements

cranky and al..my my.

ok

lets start off with the basics. you guys seem to need them

long ago God created the earth and gave it over to adam and eve. they sinned and gave the earth to the devil. very simple. the devil is in control of the earth, now God has made a way for us to not allow our sins to condemn us. but the earth still sucks. when ppl ask him, and have faith in him, and do as he says, then he may change things. that takes care of alot

there is also something called SIN. now sin as ive said leads to death and terrible things. disease is caused by sin. (i hope that you understand that at least, i dont want to get to basic. hehe i have a short attention span i bearly made it through all of the updates) so sometimes ppl have to suffer because of other. other ppls desicions affect ppl. thats how the world works.

now, God can heal those ppl if hes allowed to. sometimes he doesnt even when ppl have believed enough. theres reasons then. maybe the person is better off with the handicap. our world is messed up so fitting in sucks if you ask me. maybe their handicap will help them be happier in the future because of what they learned. learn enough and you will no how to be happy and how to live the best. that can teach them it. disease and handicap is the same all of the other sucky crap. ppl have to live with the torment of earth. if accept God's gift then they will be blessed with eternal peace.

there. that was pretty basic. how dull.

also, God does show that he loves us everyday. even though we dont deserve it he saves us. he will help us through our mistakes and others mistakes. bad things can end up being good. and i know alot about that lol.

if you dont believe me then here is an example

i talked to someone online for 9 mnths. now, i never trust ppl online. but some how this person was different(cuz im an idiot lol). they eneded up telling me that they loved me, blah blah blah. i wasnt very wise, let my personal needs and my nature really push me into the trap. you get the picture. then in august i get a pretty disturbing phone call from my mom. it seems that this person wasnt who they said that they were. i cried, i had my heart broken. i was scared until we called the police and found out that i was safe. but you want to no something? as weird as it may sound i am so thankful for that. you cant imagine how much ive learned. i wouldnt have wished it upon myself, and God could have prevented it if id allowed him too. but i twisted his words to fit my will. now ive learned to trust my mom my god and my friends. ive learned alot about relationships and because of this i feel like ive learned diamonds worth. im thankful for this. i really am. and you want to know what's funny? two days later i was able to laugh with my friends at a party. i talked to this person everyday for hours, this person had become a giant part of my world, and in two minutes it was wisked away. and i had the peace to laugh and smile. idk what you will all blame that on but ill tell you wat, i am not capable of that on my own. God carried me through it. now maybe you dont think so. but its my opinion

there you go. one example of how ppl can be thankful for bad things. im so much better off with what i learned and i can be happy. i can use it to help other ppl. now to me that definetly makes it worth it.

like kelly said. this world isnt perfect so deal with it. harsh. but if you wanna survive then thats the way it has to be. kelly i appreaciate the arguement that you made, you as well carter. maybe the other ppl dont agree but oh well. i think they were good.

as kelly said were on this world to help it and bring ppl to christ. that is my opinion. but alot of ppl dont do their jobs.
lindsay
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 04:17 PM
woot. yes! the party sounds great. we can even reange his face. maybe put up some pics of him and MJ. we can write beautiful love song for them and play it while play the pics of them.

oh yeah and cranky, you seem to not understand the difference between statements and proof. we say things that are not as a fact but as our opinion or just something to think about.

i can say something that doesnt have to have complete facts behind them. like that i think that my friend has low self-esteem. first of all, you guys only have my word for it and any reasons i give could be a lie. 2 off i havent done a psychological study of her so i cant really say that. see how ridiculous that is? how can we apply those rules to everything? why cant i say something just for the sake of expressing myself? cant i have a belief! its my belief that my friend has low self esteem. no facts behind it. a statement. thats it. I believe in God. a statement. thats it.

hey can we just be respectful of each other? why the need for insults? do you really want to degrade yourself like that? you insult someone it pisses them off and they feel the need to defend themeselves. before long youve got terrible coments rolling back and forth. lets just try not to insult ppl. its not our place anyway.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 05:40 PM
Carter S said:

"It was the free will of that country to get a tsunami warning. But they learned their lesson. And now they do."

Wow, so it all worked out OK, huh? Dude, you are engaging in the worst rationalizing I've ever seen.

I thought "free will" referred to PEOPLE, not COUNTRIES.

I'll repeat this. A human parent who sat by while his/her child was in danger wouldn't be called "loving." Why is it supposedly a demonstration of "love" when we're talking about God? Occam's Razor, please.

As for my talking about "glass houses," well, if, for whatver reason, you have a problem with the language, it doesn't make a lot of sense to attack someone else for an occasional slip. If you insist on making that kind of criticism anyway, you have to expect that people will call you on YOUR mistakes.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 | 05:45 PM
Carter S said:

"Even if you don't love God, He loves you. Even if you don't believe in God, He believes in you."

I refer you to Rule Number Sixteen:

"Repeating the same non-proof(s) over and over again is NOT proof of the existence of God."

Saying the same thing over and over doesn't work in any other context. Why would it work as "proof" of the existence of God?

Can't ANY of you come up with even ONE "proof" that doesn't violate one of my logical, common-sense Rules?
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