The Museum of Hoaxes
sylvia browne
Posted By:
padego
Apr 04, 2005
 Just thought I'd peruse Ms. Browne's site for news of the pope, oddly theres no mention....

http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm
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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 08:03 PM
Light Orion said:

"I must have missed that point in your previous post. She has also asked to be tested and been refused, so it goes both ways."

Oh? Where and when did that happen? Even if it did, that, of course, would NOT explain why she broke her promise to be tested in the first place.

"People visit the Other Side when sleeping quite often, especially children, so communicating with the spirit of a child who was not dead would not be unusual if the child was sleeping."

So, people DIE while they're asleep? I know of a well-respected sleep clinic in the Bronx that would be fascinated to learn of this. Even if it was true (which it isn't), how do you know that the child in question was sleeping and "visiting the Other Side) when Sylvia was doing her voodoo?

As for her ex-husband being the source of the story about Sylvia saying she's a fraud and people who believe in her deserve to be taken, yes, that would be what I was referring to. I guess I misremembered it as being her son, for which I apologize, but it doesn't change my point.

Were you aware that Sylvia got into trouble for fraud in the past, by the way? No, that doesn't PROVE that her "psychic" act is fraudulent, but it sure doesn't lend credence to it, either, does it?
Psychic Dr. truth
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 | 04:43 PM
Damn I'm good.
So if nothing anyone writes online is true, then all these sites you point to are handing out false information too. And you yourself are lying. So why spread the lies?
And why ask the question if you refuse to believe the answer?
Because, this isn't about whether Sylvia is a fraud or not. It's your venting bazaar.
Venting is good but the malice and hatred you harbor are only damaging your own psyche. Have you ever tried meditation?
psychic dr. truth
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 | 04:56 PM
Orion - I must admit that I would never have Tarot done because I fear that it may be demonic. That probably sounds really silly but you are right about the fear part. I don't know that it is demonic and since I've been warned that it is, that pretty much scares me off it completely.
Sadly, I could never have it done just to check out if it's true or not. But maybe Cranky can have it done and report since he fears nothing. But the report may be biased. What is really needed to evaluate psychic phenomena and such is an independent, and impartial observer who does not already have preconceived notions about whether it's real or not.
I don't think the Randi challenge applies since they already have a preconceived notion of what a psychic should be able to do even if the psychic they are testing does not claim to do the same. Don't they test whether you can read cards you can't see from another room or something like that? I am psychic and I know I can't read cards like that. Honestly, I'm just a really good people reader. If I say such and such a person is a serial killer, are they really going to admit to testers that they are? No.
This is one of those things where people have different opinions and I don't see a problem with that since in the end, we will all know who was right anyway. And noone can guarantee that their viewpoint is 100% positive.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 | 02:04 AM
"Psychic" "Dr." "Truth" said:

"Damn I'm good."

At what now?

"So if nothing anyone writes online is true, then all these sites you point to are handing out false information too. And you yourself are lying. So why spread the lies?"

Where did I say that NOTHING anyone writes online is true? Nothing like putting words in my mouth, then refuting what I never said, huh?

Let me be as clear as possible. There are MANY things online I believe. One of them, however, is NOT your claim to be a medical doctor.

Sorry, I just don't believe that someone would devote perhaps ten years of their life to studying something (medicine) which requires rigorous adherence to scientific method, but also dabble in nonsense which amounts to "if I believe in it, despite all evidence to the contrary, it's true."

That just wouldn't be rational. You're not irrational, are you, "Doc?"

"Orion - I must admit that I would never have Tarot done because I fear that it may be demonic. That probably sounds really silly but you are right about the fear part."

Well, you're right about part of that--it DOES sound VERY silly. Yes, "Doc," demons live in a deck of cards. Do you mention that when you attend reunions at your medical school? Do people laugh SO hard that water comes out their nose? I'm guessing they would, IF you actually had a medical school reunion to go to.

"Sadly, I could never have it done just to check out if it's true or not. But maybe Cranky can have it done and report since he fears nothing."

When did I say I fear nothing? I can tell you that, as a rational person who doesn't lie about having a medical degree, I certainly don't fear a DECK OF CARDS. Unless, of course, you plan on shoving them into my eye. Since you're a "medical doctor," though, you wouldn't do that (Hippocratic Oath) and if you DID, you could perform (psychic?) surgery on me. So, no worries on this end about a DECK OF CARDS.

"I don't think the Randi challenge applies since they already have a preconceived notion of what a psychic should be able to do even if the psychic they are testing does not claim to do the same. Don't they test whether you can read cards you can't see from another room or something like that? I am psychic and I know I can't read cards like that."

You're a "psychic" who apparantly won't bother to go to randi.org and READ how the tests are conducted. What you're thinking of, "Doc," is testing for ESP using so-called Zener cards. For a "scientist," you show remarkably little intellectual curiosity, preferring to make incorrect guesses about what Randi does.

Since different people claim different abilities, the testing must be different for each person. Testing protocol is specifically designed (and agreed to in advance by the testee) for each case.

"Honestly, I'm just a really good people reader. If I say such and such a person is a serial killer, are they really going to admit to testers that they are? No."

So, in other words, you have "abilities" that amount to nothing more than intuition, but which you consider "psychic" and which cannot be tested scientifically. Wow. Gee, if only there was such a thing as "double-blind testing" which would eliminate the problem of lying. Hmm, you'd think that a person with scientific training, like a medical doctor would have gone through, would know about basic scientific concepts like that.

You were probably such a good student, though, that they skipped you over that introductory stuff and put you right into the brain surgery course, huh?
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 | 02:27 AM
Since the topic of this thread is actually Sylvia Brown(e) and NOT my allegedly misaligned chakras, here's some fun reading for you:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/novusspiritus_thesefreaks.shtml
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 | 04:31 PM
I've seen that one. It's sad that anyone else acting that way is just having a bad day and it is accepted, but if you're famous and you have a bad day there must be something wrong with you. I didn't say anyone dies when they are asleep, your spirit can get out and wander around without your body dying, that's what they call an out of body experience. Of course, I would not expect you to accept that, because I read on page one of this thing that you deny the existence of all things supernatural? Does that include God? If so, I feel sorry for you.
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 | 04:58 PM
Doctor,

Tarot cards are simply tools, whether they are good or evil depends on how they are used. Nobody calls a knife evil if it is used to chop vegetables, but if it is used to stab someone it is not the knife's fault. Unfortunately, Tarot is one of the easiest things to be skeptical about because (until you learn other ways to read them) many practitioners use the interpretations fro the book and see which ones match up with something in the questioner's life. Even so, I've found uncanny accuracy in my own use of the cards. They tend to not be affected by passing spirits as a Ouija board can be because they are too complex and as far as demons possessing them, inanimate objects cannot be possessed only manipulated and only then if they are simple objects like a photograph or a pointer.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 | 02:51 AM
Light Orion said (referring to tarot cards):

"They tend to not be affected by passing spirits as a Ouija board can be because they are too complex and as far as demons possessing them, inanimate objects cannot be possessed only manipulated and only then if they are simple objects like a photograph or a pointer."

Nonsense, utter nonsense.

Tarot cards are nothing more than props for someone doing a "psychic" act. Some of them are sincere and actually believe they have "psychic" powers and some are consciously engaging in cold reading, using the cards to buy time as they think up generic things to say.

Little pieces of cardboard CANNOT embody "spirits."

As for Ouija boards, do some research on the "idiomotor effect" some time.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 | 02:53 AM
"...I read on page one of this thing that you deny the existence of all things supernatural? Does that include God? If so, I feel sorry for you."

Yes, that includes God.

Tell you what, "Light Orion." If you drop the unwarranted condescion, I won't call you an idiot for believing in childish nonsense. Deal?
Rachel
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 | 03:34 PM
Sylvia charges $750 a "reading."

Her psychic son, Christopher, charges a discounted $450 a reading.

Ms. Brown says she does 10 to 20 readings a week. This is $7,500 to $15,000 a week. Taking 2 weeks off for appearances on Montel, this means she clearing $750,000 a year. An amount that doesn't include income from books and appearances.

Hey, I think I'll become a psychic too. Sure beats the 9-to-5 grind, eh?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 | 01:31 AM
Yup, Rachel, Sylvia has a pretty good scam going. Unless, of course, the authorities come in and shut it down on the grounds of practicing medicine without a license (which Sylvia seems to do on a frequent basis).

It should be noted that we don't actually KNOW that she does 10 to 20 readings a week. She COULD be lying about that, although given her frequent appearances on Montel and Larry King, it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
jean crane
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 | 10:40 AM
:) montel show,I watch your show for A while, until, I heard sylvia brown,if you would read the BIBLE, you would see the damage she has on people.This show has people on it that believes her.I pray nobody kills somebody or there self for the things she says to them.Why don't your show have GOD fearing preachers to ask her questions.You might find out how to be saved.Is money the only thing you people think of.I pray GOD, shows you mercy.Thank you,for your time.
ladyfalcon
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 | 01:07 PM
When are people going to wise up. This woman is a monumental fake. She uses people's life shattering experiences to make a fortune. Shawn (who needs a lesson in spelling) had commented that Sylvia predicted the death of the pope, well no duh !! He was very ill and very old, I could of predicted that one !! This womam is a joke and I don't understand why anyone would pay to get bogus information from the old bat. If you people are so intent on giving away money, then donate it to a worthy cause, such as The American Cancer Society, Homeless shelters, The Red Cross.....She will burn in Hell for shafting so many grieving people. I hope the process begins sooner than later.
ladyfalcon
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 | 01:26 PM
Light Orion, Wow what an idiot you are..Sylvia Browne's few mistakes??? I have yet to see any correct predictions !! She is a fake, totally, and anyone who stands up for this wrinkled old crone, needs serious therapy !! She plays on others grief and sadness and loss and makes millions doing it...She is vague and pathetic, and it amazes me that anyone listens to her at all. But, of couse there are always dildos like you who are easily lead around by the nose. So you better stand up for something or someone who has some credability, and she has none of that !!
jane
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 | 01:11 PM
sylvia browne is a dumbass phoney
doree spencer
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 | 11:34 AM
Sylvia Brown has helped many in this world, i think it is horrible what people are saying, i am devastated. I am angry that robert lancaster was bored one day and decided to write bullshit about her.that,is not right. you peopl dont know her,and if you had any intuition inside you,you would see what a lovely careing mother grama and friend that she is. leave her alone, shes earned every single penny.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 | 01:44 PM
Doree Spencer said:

"I am angry that robert lancaster was bored one day and decided to write bullshit about her.that,is not right."

The critics of Sylvia hardly got "bored one day." Why don't you visit StopSylviaBrowne.com? You'd see many very detailed reasons why Sylvia is a fake.

It isn't "helping people" to make up nonsense and (in my opinion) practice medicine without a license by telling them what to and what not to take for their alleged conditions. That is extremely dangerous.

Sylvia could prove that she actually has "psychic" abilities if she would just keep her word and take the JREF Million Dollar Challenge. She won't, though, because she knows she would fail miserably.
doree spencer
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 | 02:05 PM
Dear cranky media guy, i have heard syylvia state many times on the motel williams show, after telling certain people of there ailments,that i am not a doctor and hon, you should really go see one. so what do you mean by she practices medicine without license? she always refers them to go see there doctors--from doree
doree spencer
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 | 02:08 PM
and i already have visited stop sylvia browne what ever website,and no thanks.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 | 12:44 AM
Doree Spencer said:

"so what do you mean by she practices medicine without license?"

Well, since she isn't a doctor, she has no business diagnosing people. If you've seen her on Montel or in person, then you've seen her tell people what ailment(s) they have and what she thinks she should take for it/them.

Yes, she sometimes says she isn't a doctor but she DOES represent herself as a person who can "psychically" determine what's wrong with a person, which is VERY irresponsible.

Since you say you've visited StopSylviaBrowne.com, why don't you give us some FACTS that refute some of the things that are said about her there. Remember, just telling us that you BELIEVE in her is not the same thing as REFUTING criticisms of her.
doree spencer
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 | 01:31 PM
cranky media guy- why do you keep asking people to go to stopsylviabrowne? been ther done that ,and you dont know for sure what her abilities are,so why and how could you judge her?your responding to people that dont know her either,how would you feel if people were saying this about your mom and brother.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 | 05:39 PM
Doree Spencer said:

"cranky media guy- why do you keep asking people to go to stopsylviabrowne?"

Because it's the best source I know for information about what Sylvia REALLY does and how she does it. The guy who runs it really does his homework.

"been ther done that ,and you dont know for sure what her abilities are,so why and how could you judge her?"

Well, I DO know a fair bit about how phony "psychics" operate and I know that what Sylvia does is completely consistent with that.

Doree, the burden of proof is on Sylvia to prove that she has real "psychic" powers. On the Larry King Show, Sylvia promised to take the James Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge to demonstrate that what she claims to do is due to supernatural abilities. Then she refused to stand by her word. I (and other people also) believe that is because she knows full well she would be shown to be a fake.

"your responding to people that dont know her either"

That is correct. I'm trying to point people like that to information which will give them information about what Sylvia REALLY does, as opposed to what she claims to do.

"how would you feel if people were saying this about your mom and brother."

If my mom and/or brother was/were taking money from grieving people by pretending to be able to talk to their deceased relatives, *I* would be the one to expose them. I wouldn't wait for someone else to do it.

Sylvia Browne, John Edward, James VanPraagh and the rest of those phonies should be put on a raft together and set adrift in the open sea, in my opinion.
Carter
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 | 10:33 PM
Jeez Cranky! I think you need to be more sensitive to your mom and brother, especially Sylvia Browne. Sylvia is just trying to make a living in pseudoscience. She is also extremely attractive, with her long red nails in the grips of her teeth...MMMM!

Anyways, I think Randy stopped doing the Million Dollar Challenge... and I believe the foundation is under Phil Plait now. I'm not sure what he has planned for the foundation.

Thought I'd check in to see if everyone's behaving.

Later!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 | 01:06 AM
Carter said:

"Jeez Cranky! I think you need to be more sensitive to your mom and brother, especially Sylvia Browne."

If I was related to that witch, I'd change my name and deny my family.

"Sylvia is just trying to make a living in pseudoscience."

Got that right.

"She is also extremely attractive, with her long red nails in the grips of her teeth...MMMM!"

Oooh yeah! She's a real PILF ("P" standing for "phony psychic," of course).

"Anyways, I think Randy stopped doing the Million Dollar Challenge... and I believe the foundation is under Phil Plait now. I'm not sure what he has planned for the foundation."

No, the Challenge is still in effect although Randi has announced that it will be ending, in 2010, I believe.

Randi's appointed Phil Plait as President of JREF, but Randi's still Chairman and working on a daily basis. Randi's no kid, so I guess he's just planning ahead.
Jeff Cooper
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 | 03:46 AM
My cuzin actually contacted Slyvia, because she was living in a huanted house. Cuzin could here a woman and mans voice in her house, as other residence too. There would be things moved around, magazines, and hair brushes moved from the bathroom to the hallway, when they were out of the house, and her dogs would go crazy sometimes and start barking at the corner for no good reason. She suspected an animal spirit. Sylvia was actually able to give a remote reading of the house, and with ever having been there described the layout of the house, and that there was indeed a male spirit and a female spirit, and an animal spirit in the house. Slyvia declined an inventation to come to the house, citing that it was dangerous for some one with her physic abilities to go to the house, as some spirits can be manivolent and try to possess person with extraordinary physic ability.

Actually, in fact, everyone is physic, some have more natural ability than others, and some are more in tune than others. Many mental illness are misdiagnosed and overmedicated as well for physic people, too some mental illness are misdiagnosed and mistreated with pills, when spirit possession is the cause.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 | 01:43 PM
Jeff, there is much reason to believe that Sylvia Browne is a complete fraud. If you have an open mind on this subject, you should visit stopsylvia.com . I think you'll find a lot of information there that you haven't seen anywhere else about just why people believe that she's a complete fake.
Heather
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 | 04:25 PM
Hey, Cranky media guy. Since you've been keeping this thing going for more than five years now, I thought I'd post. Just for the hell of it. What's this site supposed to be talking about again?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 | 05:00 PM
You mean the whole site? Well, it's called the Museum of HOAXES. That's a clue.
Heather
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 | 01:57 AM
There you go! How could I have known you'd post? So nice to hear from you. You must really dislike Sylvia Browne. Unless you realize that Sylvia Browne uses her "gifts" for entertainment purposes and takes for granted that she herself will be wrong sometimes and end up looking like a complete idiot. She's not a hoax, she's in business to make money by helping people feel good.
If that's the case, I apologize for being wrong about you. I just didn't think so based on the fact that you've been on this site for so long. However, since it makes you happy to post here, I must also apologize because I'm sure I've offended you. I'm perfectly happy to watch others lay down their money for peace of mind, however misguided it may or may not be.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 | 04:12 AM
Heather said:

"You must really dislike Sylvia Browne."

I "dislike" anyone who pretends to have psychic ability to defraud people.

"Unless you realize that Sylvia Browne uses her 'gifts' for entertainment purposes and takes for granted that she herself will be wrong sometimes and end up looking like a complete idiot."

I don't Sylvia cares much if she looks like a complete idiot to some people as enough people believe her nonsense for her to make a very nice living.

"She's not a hoax, she's in business to make money by helping people feel good. I'm perfectly happy to watch others lay down their money for peace of mind, however misguided it may or may not be."

Does that extend to medical quackery? After all, that extends temporary peace of mind to some people. Sylvia strays dangerously close to practicing medicine without a license at times when she tells people what they should take for their ailments. That goes WAY beyond the boundaries of "entertainment" as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, are you aware that Sylvia has a conviction for fraud on her record?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 | 11:56 AM
Heather said:
<i>"She's not a hoax, she's in business to make money by helping people feel good.</i>

Please explain how Sylvia Browne's actions made these people feel good:

SB told this woman she was the product of an affair
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/montel_notyourfather.shtml

Shawn Hornbeck was missing for a year when SB told his parents, live on the Montel Willians show, that he was dead. Three years later he was found alive.
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/montel_shawnhornbeck2.shtml (includes video from the show)

SB's company sold diamond jewelry that contained fake diamonds and made only minimal attempts to correct the situation with customers.
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/novusspiritus_jewelryqualityissue2.shtml

Parents of missing six year-old Opal Jo Jennings were told their daughter was alive but sold into the white slave trade in Japan. A few months later an arrest was made in connection with the kidnapping. Later her body was found 13 miles from home and forensic evidence showed she was killed only hours after the abduction.
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/montel_opal.shtml

A caller to the Larry King Live show said she had some "unresolved issues" with her mother and was told by SB that her mother was dead. This of course was shocking news to the caller.
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/king_callerjapan.shtml

And the best one of all:

Lynda McClelland was missing for two years before her daughters asked for SB's help on the Montel Williams show. She told them their mother was still alive and in a mental institution in Florida. Later McClelland's son-in-law was convicted of the murder.
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/montel_lyndamcclelland.shtml
David Repasky, <b>THE MURDERER, WAS ACTUALLY IN THE STUDIO AUDIENCE AT THE TIME OF THE READING AND SYLVIA BROWNE COULD NOT DETECT IT</b>. I guess it's case closed on the question of Sylvia Browne's "psychic powers".
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 | 01:31 PM
I'm going to use MY psychic powers to predict what will come next, Captain Al. Heather or another of Sylvia's defenders will respond by saying, "Well, she never said she was perfect." They will, of course, not be able to provide any examples of Sylvia demonstrating anything that could be construed as proving that she has any real "powers." We might get some anecdotal nonsense about how she supposedly nailed something right on the head but it will be vague and lack details.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 | 09:11 PM
Of course you're right Cranky. It's funny, the operator of the Stop Sylvia site mentions how he is criticized for not posting any stories of Browne's successes. He explains that he would except that, as you said, there doesn't appear to be any. He keeps looking but so far, nothing.
Heather
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 | 11:38 PM
I'm glad I could keep this debate going. Since you seem to enjoy breaking down my response, allow me to break down my own:

"She's not a hoax, she's in business by helping people feel good."

Your response implied you had a problem with that. That's unfortunate. Those that buy into her "powers" get peace of mind; to me, your response implies you get peace of mind by upending a business model that provides a service to those that want it. By the way, I did not mean to imply that I "defend" her in this or any other part of my response. I recognize a service proposition, one that I do not need. I get my peace of mind elsewhere.

Hmmmm....I believe you said you were going to use your "physic powers" to predict that I'd reply by saying "well, she never said she was perfect". Since I don't buy into SB, I don't need to defend her. It's good entertainment for me.

On that note... love the crusade you're carrying on. I guess that's why I kept posting. That was entertainment, and I thank you.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 | 01:07 AM
Heather said:

"Those that buy into her "powers" get peace of mind; to me, your response implies you get peace of mind by upending a business model that provides a service to those that want it."

Please scroll up and read Captain Al's second most recent posting. I'll wait.

OK, now that you've read it, please tell me what "service" Sylvia Browne rendered to the people in the examples Al provided. I fail to see the legitimate service in pretending to have psychic powers and telling grief-stricken parents that their son is dead when in fact he is still alive or in telling another pair of parents that their daughter was sold into slavery in Japan when she was murdered shortly after being abducted. Do you honestly think Sylvia's "service" gave those poor people peace of mind?

Why make excuses for a callous old bitch who lies about having "powers" because it makes her a very comfortable living? Her only "service" is taking advantage of people desperately trying to deal with horrific personal tragedy.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 | 10:53 AM
<i>"<b>"She's not a hoax, she's in business by helping people feel good."</b>
Your response implied you had a problem with that. That's unfortunate. "</i>

I don't know how you got that idea. Isn't it obvious our problem is that Sylvia Browne is causing great harm to these people? To make them feel good with her business model she would actually have to have psychic powers. I think her track record, particularly the last example I listed, shows that this is definitely not the case.

"<i>It's good entertainment for me.</i>"

Frankly, I'm disturbed you get your entertainment from the pain felt by people who are told deliberate lies that say their loved ones are now dead or sex slaves.
Kym
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 | 04:58 PM
Just was reading the transcripts of the recycled phone materials on the Randi site where Sylvia suggests in both instances to stop dairy and take lecithin for back pain. Then I went to Sylvia's website and under the Ask Sylvia section the first question is a mother asking what she should do for her daughter's severe eczema. Anyone care to guess what Sylvia's reply was?
Amy
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 | 07:01 AM
Dr. Brian Weiss is a victim. There are many discrepancies when it comes to these theories. The so-called master spirits or evil spirits do heal and reveal believable relevant past information, let us not argue if past life is true or not. Its just like a bribe.

Why shouldn't we think that these spirits select vulnerable people and give dreams and associated fears so that they could explain them as past life later and heal them? It is to take away the fear of punishment so that people would do mistakes and would subject themselves to be tormented/would not seek for a revenge, even legally, hence protecting the evil doers.

Also, past life memories come to either children, who are in an unprotected state, or to people who undergo hypnosis, who again open their mind to astral layer entities, an unprotected state.

Nice plan and accomplishment. Dr. Brian Weiss is a Victim.

All the haunting proofs could be the woven work of the evil to make sure that people don't believe in afterlife punishment/glory, but why shouldn't we take it as a testimonial that people who have been restored to life after days say that they saw hell, heaven, etc? when we are ready to believe hypnotic sessions?

If these evil spirits foretell future, they make it happen later or they do not.

I am not a supporter of God. I am just saying that belief in hell/heaven would make us live a correct life. Plus there is proof. Why should a person who arose from the dead days/hours later even after being kept in airless and iced mortuary containers, lie to us?

These spirits are also against lawful punishment of the criminals. See where it goes?

Dr. Weiss himself states that he had an urge to do these things, which is another proof of paranormal influence. He had been used the whole time. You'd understand if you read the book. I read it completely.
Jenny B.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 | 04:12 AM
OMGosh! I have not had time to read everything above, but I have this to say.... Shay! You Rock! And actually, who sincerely, deep deep down cares? Do you honestly care if it is real or a hoax - is the end result not what you are looking for? So, someone pays $750 dollars for a 30 minute reading. Was there a gun to his/her head? Did they leave feeling uplifted? Who knows? Who can tell. I have been to some psychics - some dodgy, some spot on. But, for me - it is the end result that counts. I have had the most amazing past life regression experiences. Are you trying to tell me they are real or not? I don't particular care one way or the other what the general consensus or opinion is. I care about what I believe. I know what I know - and what you know is real for you.
The amount of BS that people spurn forth, leaves me standing in awe and wonder. More or less because I wonder if they are so opinionated and closed minded to believe that only their way is the way.
You choose - if it works for you - great!
If not - move on and keep looking for something that does!
If nothing does - awesome - hope you find happiness in that too.
Jenny B.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 | 04:26 AM
If Dr Weiss is a victim, then I have this to say - Dr Weiss, sue your University for giving you a degree in Psychiatry! Come on now!! Really??? One of the first things you diagnose in pyschology (not to mention the things you must learn in psychiatry) is how to recognise these things in your patients. Victim, persecutor and the likes.

So, if all else - I think Dr Weiss would be quite capable of determining whether or not he is the victim.

Nope, cannot go along with your theory.

Again, it is tainted against a backdrop of white-washed Christian beliefs - 'evil' spirits? I used to knock other religions for their supposed wars in the name of religion. But when it came down to it.... the majority of religions pertain to the same thing - my way or the highway.

Well, BS to that. Having walked many paths in this life time (for those sceptics who do not believe in other life times) - I have found the most respected and peaceful belief within myself. From going within - stripping away all the mythologies that have clung to my soul... trying to destroy the very essence of me. But, jokes not on me - because I have - over the past 15 years, slowly (methodically) eradicated the 'bumph' others have tried to force on me. I am light eternal - energy can neither be created not destroyed. Albert Einstein, a great man of science indeed - said : E=MC2. That about sums it up - we are eternal. Light, love, energy - love being the highest pure vibrational energy around. I choose to walk in the path of non-judgement : so, believe what you want to believe, but please allow the same courtesy to others.
Dr Weiss, I respect you - and so know you are not a victim. Perhaps we can meet in a lifetime to come x
Jenny B.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 | 04:40 AM
Last words from me for today (and Cranky Media Guy) - this is a fun site indeed....

Amy in Jordan says : "Also, past life memories come to either children, who are in an unprotected state, or to people who undergo hypnosis, who again open their mind to astral layer entities, an unprotected state."

Wrong - where on earth did you get this from?

I was neither a child or under hypnosis at the time of my first past life regression - in fact it was so vividly clear, so incredibly real (and, no, I was NOT visited by some 'evil' spirit ...) - that my life changed within a blink of an eye. Issues I could not understand or relate to, suddenly dissipitated, and the negative reactions completely eradicated.

I had my first experience in my 30's. Hardly makes me a child, and I was not placed under any hypnosis. I have psychic abilities (as do we all) - I just choose to embrace them and not run away from them, as so many would have you do. That would just allow you far too much freedom to learn and growth - whilst others would want you under control and some form of subtle (if not invisible) fear.

Long live Dr Brian Weiss - oh darn - right - he will! Why? Because we are all immortal - enjoy this life time - make the most of it - be kind and gentle - you never know what the next one could bring.... unless of course, you are into future life progressions 😊
Paul the Skeptic
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 | 06:50 AM
Never saw Sylvia Browne on TV, but just finished reading a book of her's, End of Days. There are some inconsistencies of facts throughout, similar to when a liar can't get his facts straight. It was kind of like reading science fiction. The book was written in 2007 or 2008, and nothing that she predicted would happen by the end of 2010 has come true, so to me she a sham thus far.
The only benefit to society is that her followers might find it comforting to believe her description of the transition to "the other side", or what she terms "going home", and the concept that our essence (energy) lives forever.
Non of us knows for sure what to expect after death, if anything, because non of the speculation or theories can be proven while we are alive. Thanks for creating this sounding board. pgw
Heather
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 | 08:39 AM
@ Jenny B's first commen: thank you! exactly what I was trying to say! Obviously I didn't get my point across to some people because I haven't seen any responses to your posts Like they responded to mine. If your stuff works for you, great. They just haven't worked for others and they should've left it alone.
Carter
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 | 10:57 PM
I can't help but call poe on Heather and Jenny B. Funny stuff!

Just to let you know, you're not bringing anything new to the table. Read through the entire SB forum. You're just serving to hone CMG's and Captain Al's debating skills. They serve a great purpose for people who have the ability to think critically. They certainly changed my view. I don't want to say that I would never have changed without them, but the transition would have happened much slower had I not visited this site.

A wise man once said: "Sir, there is a difference between having an open-mind and a hole in your head from which your brain leaks out." -- James Randi
cathoader
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 | 06:17 PM
hey--are any of you guys still around or was six years (or however long it was) enough? I don't even remember how I got here. I started out trying to buy a Catechism book -cd--, online ...the next thing I know I followed the yellow brick road curious about pets going to heaven, is it true?SYLVIA Browne huh, for 6 years? really? Golly guys, get a life. Did you guys start this forum for Hoaxes or for her specifically? Man o Man. You all are kidding right? By the way the girl Jenny from
Capetown, is that what the Catholic Church warnsof, when the speak of New Age Stuff? where you are your own GOD? Seems like it - I don't like that kind of talk, but I am a born-n-bred Baptist who is considering changing teams nso to speak and Iwatch EWTN A LOT.Brother Leo told all these little kids that their dogs & cats, hamsters, rabbits, and goldfish just die. That they have no spirits to go to Heaven, and that they'd never see them again. I'm grown and I couldn't take it.





















Since I have always been an animal lover and am still such a chid when it comes to my babies, I want to believe what my parents and my husband always told me.
That a God who is that loving (as He surely is) would not keep you from ever being with them again. If we do have dominio over them, don't you think we can command them to us in Heaven? or do you all think that they are just to make thinks ecologically well rounded on Earth, and to be beasts of burden and food?
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