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sylvia browne
Posted By:
padego
Apr 04, 2005
 Just thought I'd peruse Ms. Browne's site for news of the pope, oddly theres no mention....

http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm
Category: Prophecy-Psychic; Replies: 765

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Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 | 06:02 PM
Nicole said:

"It is disapointing to see all those people with not much else to do rather than critisize someone and put them down because they themselves dont believe."

Nicole, it goes way beyond us "not believing." Sylvia Browne claims to be able to do something (communicate with the dead) which violates the known laws of physics. Since she is making an extraordinary claim, the burden of proof is on HER to prove her claims. WE do NOT have to prove that she CAN'T do what she says she can. I know that upsets you because you WANT to believe in her, despite the COMPLETE lack of evidence, but that's just the way things are.

You might want to take a look at this page:
http://www.randi.org/jr/122404alien.html

On it, you will find evidence that Sylvia simply "recycles" what she says to people who pay her hundreds of dollars for "phone readings." In other words, she has a SCRIPT that she simply recites to her callers.

I'm sure you will come up with some excuse for this, but there's always the chance that you will think about it logically and come to the only reasonable conclusion.

There are other things and people you can put your faith and trust in besides an old lady who makes her living scamming people seeking answers to difficult problems.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 | 05:24 PM
Hmm, I think that maybe Sylvia is going to have to "up her game," as the kids say.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1,72482-0.html

Notice that she is specifically mentioned in this article as a target of Randi's new initiative.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 | 05:10 PM
Nicole (and anyone else who still supports this old fraud) NEEDS to read this story:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/montel_shawnhornbeck

The Reader's Digest version is that Sylvia went on TV and said that her "sources" in the Afterlife told her that this boy was dead. Only problem is that he
was just found, ALIVE, after been held captive for
over four years.

Ask yourself this: how could she be WRONG (which she was) if she was getting her information from
the "other side"? Are the dead lying to her?

Simple explanation: she makes shit up, without
concern for how her predictions might harm the
families of the victims.

Sylvia Browne is no more "psychic" than my cat is.
She is willing to make up lies because that's
how she makes her living and gets on TV. Period.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 01:50 AM
Gee, the silence from the Sylvia Supporters is deafening. Doesn't the fact that Sylvia said that her friends on the Other Side told her that a missing boy was dead when he turned out to be quite alive bother you even a little bit?

So, DID the dead LIE to Sylvia? Come on, Supporters, I can't wait to hear how you rationalize this latest lie from the Fraud Named Sylvia.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 01:32 AM
Boy, you're some supporters, aren't you? The minute someone brings up an inconvenient fact, you run away. I hope I never have "fans" like you.
Laurie
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 09:57 AM
You must admit CrankyMedia throws some pretty good facts out on the table - If I were you guys I would use him in court! lol
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 02:56 PM
Thank you for the compliment, Laurie, but really, all I do is post links to stories and websites that have the goods on Sylvia (and the other topics I comment about on this site).

I get your point that some of us skeptics seem "negative" from time to time, but sometimes the TRUTH requires us to be "negative" about claims made by people who want to take money from those in distress, like Sylvia.

She's a fake and a fraud and if it's "negative" to point that out, so be it.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 12:42 AM
So, Sylvia Supporters, does your silence constitute an admission that you CANNOT defend the old fraud after she made up a bullshit story about the missing boy being dead?

In case you haven't bothered to read about it, her story on Montel's show was VERY specific, including details about how his body was in the woods, near two jagged boulders.

He was found, alive and relatively well, in the apartment of his kidnapper, just a few miles away from his parents' home. No woods, no "jagged boulders."

If you still believe in this old fraud, I'd LOVE to see you defend this complete failure on her part. You were so vehement in your support prior to her PROVING that she's a phony; either come up with some compelling reason for her failure OR admit that she's a fake and a fraud.
srhlovato
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 01:23 PM
I completely agree she is a fraud. I came by one of her books free(i would never pay for such garbage) and what I find completely amazing is how vague her so called psychic predictions are. Not to mention how much it upset me to see her belittle the death of Jesus. She helps put doubts in peoples mind and thus contributes to souls going to hell because of it. Maybe she isnt a fraud...maybe she does recieve messages from beyond the grave but it is at most demonic in nature and therefor not good. How horriable it must of been for Shawn Hornbeck family to hear her tell them thier son was dead. I am glad she was wrong for thier sake but I cant imagine spending our years thinking my son was dead. I would sue the fake for the emotional distress her fraud caused.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 07:17 PM
srhlovato said:

"I completely agree she is a fraud. I came by one of her books free(i would never pay for such garbage) and what I find completely amazing is how vague her so called psychic predictions are. Not to mention how much it upset me to see her belittle the death of Jesus. She helps put doubts in peoples mind and thus contributes to souls going to hell because of it."

"Putting doubts in people's minds" is often a good thing to do when the subject at hand is questionable.

The problem with Sylvia is not that she "turns people away from Christianity" but that she "earns" her living by LYING to people in psychological pain. If there IS a Hell (which I don't believe), she's bound for it for LYING to grieving parents about their child being dead when she had NO information about his situation.

Sylvia LIES for a living, pure and simple. If you doubt that, explain to me why her contacts on the Other Side would lie to her about the boy. What motive would they have to do that?
Rhiannon
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 08:31 PM
Sylvia not only completely missed the mark by telling Shawn's family that their child was dead, she tells people their loved ones are "depressed, don't want to be found", among other utter BS she spouts. Have any of her books (of crap she spits out every month) EVER addressed anything she actually got right? Please don't claim the ambiguous garbage.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 01:19 AM
Rhiannon said:

"Have any of her books (of crap she spits out every month) EVER addressed anything she actually got right?"

In response to her utter failure in the case of the missing boy, Sylvia made her oft-repeated claim about having "solved" many crimes.

Really? Anyone got any evidence of ANY crime that information from Sylvia "solved," excluding REAL information useful to the police that came from other sources, of course? Specifics, please.

She sure talks big, but I'm not seeing any PROOF of her alleged "gift."
Ray
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 07:27 PM
She says that aliens are gonna come to us in 2010,and teach us anti-gravity technology like they did before with the pyramids?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 01:25 AM
Ray said:

"She says that aliens are gonna come to us in 2010,and teach us anti-gravity technology like they did before with the pyramids?"

Gee, Ray, you put a question mark on the end of that sentence as if you actually DISBELIEVE a prediction made by the world-reknowned "psychic" Sylvia Browne.

Yes, the Space Brothers are coming to Earth in 2010. The saucers will land and all the missing children who Sylvia made predictions about will hop off.

Then, with any luck at all, they will gang up and kick the living shit out of the old fraud.
Rhiannon
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 08:46 AM
Well, that at least would prove intelligent life in space.
smokinleather
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 | 03:39 PM
My wife believes that Sylvia Brown is a prophet....Like from God. It is only a matter of time before she starts donating her paychecks to Sylvia Brown inc.
Should I kick her out of the house, schedule an intervention? Have her kidnapped by anti-brainwashers? Who can I sue?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 | 05:39 PM
smokinleather said:

"My wife believes that Sylvia Brown is a prophet....Like from God. It is only a matter of time before she starts donating her paychecks to Sylvia Brown inc.

"Should I kick her out of the house, schedule an intervention? Have her kidnapped by anti-brainwashers? Who can I sue?"

Well, I don't think you can sue anyone, but you might consider getting some information about how Sylvia *really* operates from randi.org and give it to your wife. Look for the posting about how Sylvia has recycled phone readings on at least two occasions. In other words, she was reading from the same script to callers; she knew NOTHING personal about them.

You might also consider contacting James Randi for more stuff you can show your wife. His email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). Just explain your situation and ask politely if he has any suggestions. He has announced that he intends to change the direction of his Foundation to more directly address the fraudulence of people like Sylvia. Your information about your wife may actually help him in that effort.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 | 01:09 AM
So, did you ever wonder what you get for your money if you pay Sylvia hundreds of dollars for a phone "reading"? Read this:

http://randi.org/jr/2007-01/012607different.html

SMELL the manure!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 | 01:53 AM
Well, it's been 12 days or so since anyone posted anything on this thread supporting Sylvia Browne. I take that as an admission on the part of Sylvia's fans that they CAN'T come up with an explanation of her spectacular recent failure.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 | 02:39 AM
Just in case any of you Sylvia supporters are lurking around this thread, afraid to post anything positive about the old fraud, you should know that things are NOT looking up for her.

Check this out:

http://randi.org/jr/2007-02/020207geller.html

Scroll down for the Sylvia stuff.
Sir Carter
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 01:19 AM
I really think that there should be a sting on psychics. I also think a bill should be passed to hold "psychics" to a test, like Randi's. If one fails the controlled conditioned test, it would be illegal for them to start any type of business under the claims of being a psychic,
paranormal/supernatural, etc. If anyone is caught practicing this without passing and becoming certified, then they will be prosecuted.

I know it's far-fetched, because of the whole "Buyer Beware" thing, but I really do think that we need to act on this. We need to start getting more information out about this.

Send the two identical tapes of the readings to the media. They may just find it appealing enough to do a report on it and broadcast it world-wide.
I would like Cranky's view about the media on this, since he used to work for Fox.

This bill would apply to any thing that could be tested under controlled conditions to prove the validity of a product or a in this case powers.

This is really just me ranting on. This bill is a lot more complex than that and would require many changes to the laws that we have now. But hey, why not attempt to get things going in the legal way. Start talking to your Reps. (YOUR LEGISLATORS) and ask them about any legal actions against this fraudulent business.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 03:07 AM
Well, yeah, I technically worked for Fox, I guess. I was a segment producer for the FX cable network, back when they actually produced some stuff. All FX does now is run syndicated shows and movies, it seems.

I can see a problem with your licensing idea. I think a lot of people--and probably just about ALL of those who make their living as "psychics"--would say that the psychic stuff is their religion.

Religion, as you probably realize, is pretty much untoucable in America. I mean, churches don't even pay tax on their income. I think it would be nearly impossible to impose any sort of license on something people say is "spiritual." That's unfortunate since the Sylvia Brownes of the world are taking money under false pretenses, but it's the way things are, I think.

Randi has hinted that he's going to go after people like Sylvia for fraud, so I'm guessing he has an idea of how it can be tackled legally. I'm really interested in seeing what he's got planned.
Carter
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 | 10:01 PM
Yeah, I'm sure there are more problems with my idea. But at least someone in higher places, like Randi, may have something in motion.

For now, it seems like we're stuck between a rock and a fat woman.
gkoob
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 | 12:08 PM
If you want to really know about sylvia browne the fraud artist check this site http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/
You will find the interview with her ex husband and father of her supposedly psychic co fraud son. He decided to speak out when they found the missing boy Shawn Harmer ? that Syvia said would be found dead. As everyone knows he was found alive.
He said she was never psychic when she was with him and never attended any University to receive a Masters degree in Literature. The University she said she attended, does not exist. Look at the document for her fraud charge. Read the experience of those who she has defrauded.
She is a wicked woman. Shame on her for preying on the vulnerable.
Rhiannon
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 | 02:16 PM
The way she throws the words "faith", "Love", "Jesus", etc... around make them a desecretion to religious Christions.

She knows no more than I do about the hereafter...
less, since some of those she has pronounced passed on were still with us.

Stop her! She's harmful, a money grabbing, heartless, filthy in body and soul!

PS....Also a clown
GA Cook
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 | 02:28 PM
Doesn't anyone get it? There are only two types of spirits in this realm, evil, from Satan, and Holy or good, from God. (God being Jesus). Sylvia Brown is a witch....read your bible people. 😊
GA Cook
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 | 02:31 PM
Sylvia Brown is a witch, literally....read your bible people. THere are only 2 spirits in this realm...evil, from Satan, and good, from God our creator. Read what the bible has to say about people like Sylvia Brown.
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 | 02:57 PM
Let's see... witches don't exist. So you're telling us that Sylvia doesn't exist? But she has a phone number!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 | 03:05 PM
GA Cook said:

"Doesn't anyone get it? There are only two types of spirits in this realm, evil, from Satan, and Holy or good, from God. (God being Jesus). Sylvia Brown is a witch....read your bible people."

The Bible is a book. It says things. There are many books that say many things. The mere fact that a book says a particular thing is meaningless.

The next thing you will say is some variation on "The Bible is the revealed word of God." How do we know that? Well, it says so in the Bible.

That's known as "circular reasoning." It proves nothing. We've all heard it so please don't waste our time by repeating it.
kateB
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 | 03:50 PM
:roll: Sylvia Browne is a total FAKE! DUH! She's been wrong a million times, and if she gets it right its like when a kid asks you,
"Will sugar dissolve faster in warm or cold water."

We don't know for sure, but we tell them, warm. Because that just makes sense.

Syliva is an idiot who scams people and I feel sorry for all those people who listened to her when she told them where thier kids are.

And I'm pointing out that she has promised 3 times to get tested for her physic powers. And she never has.

I think physic powers are completely FAKE AND NONEXISTANT!
psychic dr. truth
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 10:22 AM
I am psychic and my reading of Cranky media guy has shown me that he is a very unhappy person whose sole source of pleasure is his perceived effect on people who believe in psychics, the supernatural, and God. He is rather angry and incredibly jealous of Sylvia's fame and finances. He only wishes he could aslo be as famous but since he has no superpowers his only source of possible infamy is to be the archenemy of a famous person.
He will counter anything you believe in unless it matches pefectly with his own. He believes that his beliefs are the only correct ones. He will not say that he does not know if God or Sylvia are right. He will insist that he does know and all the people out there who admit to either not knowing or believing are wrong. He derives great pleasure from putting others down and probably tortured little animals as a child. He will continue in this miserable existence until death, all the while laughing at and bullying others. He actually thrives on it. The more you voice your opinion, the more it will be viciously attacked for he believes that to hold any opinion other than his own is to be an "idiot".
He really is cranky and will never give up his negativity. His stress hormone levels are above normal and he suffers from the physical effects of this. His heart and his adrenals are working overtime and he could really benefit from Chakra alignment and Tai Chi practice but he would never consent to this.
So please think happy thoughts for him and send positive energy in his direction. Say Hail Marys on his behalf. St. Jude novenas, love voodoo dolls, and blessings would also be acceptable. He does not want these nor does he believe in them but the mere fact that you would do this for someone who berates or antagonizes you decreases your own stress hormone levels and counters his negative energy. This helps to balance out the universal energies and may even sway the pendulum in favor of positive energies which would then require some angry responses to swing the pendulum back to balance. Love and Peace to all.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 10:59 AM
Wow, after that reading, I truly believe psychic dr. truth's psychic powers are every bit as good as Sylvia Browne's.

It's nice to finally have a genuine psychic commenting here. Can you please tell me what this weekend's winning lottery numbers are? Thanks in advance.
psychic dr. truth
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 11:10 AM
I am afraid you'll have to see a numbers psychic for that. I'd be a multimillionaire myself if I could predict the lottery. Alas, I only read people. And they have to be live people. I don't see nor talk to ghosts.
Strangest thing happened a couple of months ago though, I dreamed of the numbers 2 7 9 and that day I opened up a fortune cookie and thought to myself, 2 7 9 will be the first 3 numbers on there and shock of all shocks, they were. So maybe someday I will dream of the lotto numbers. I sure hope so.
Send positive thoughts my way about me winning the lottery and if I win I'll share. And you'd also have to send positive thoughts about me actually buying a ticket too. lol.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 11:44 AM
Sorry dr. truth, I didn't realize you were a specialist. Could you please forward me the email address of numbers psychic? Soon as possible please.
psychic dr. truth
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 12:11 PM
Wrong again. I'm not a specialist. And try this email address .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
But on a serious note, you don't need a psychic to win the lottery. Only about 14 million dollars. On a 300+ million jackpot, that's a return of over 20X, before taxes and cash payout penalty of course. I'm willing to chip in about 100,000. Can you and friends come up with the 13.9?

p.s. I will play along to build rapport but isn't this a waste of your valuable time? You're an intelligent person who considers things carefully and you like facts. You don't need to belittle others to support your position but when irritated, you can resort to sarcasm that can bite. It is expected that you would take offense to a perceived attack on someone you are comfortable with but look within and acknowledge your own unease with his negativity.
And really, it is far beneath you to believe that psychics flock together.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 03:07 PM
Sorry Dr. Truth, I couldn't let your psychic claims go unchallenged. If you really are psychic you should be able to tell me where I am right now. I'm looking at my exact latitude and longitude coordinates right now. Tell me what they are. Oh wait, that's right, you're not a numbers psychic. Okay then, tell me what my mother's maiden name is. That should be easy for a genuine psychic.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 03:38 PM
Sorry, Dr. Truth, for not responding to your, uh,
"interesting" reading of me. For some reason, I didn't get the usual notification that "someone has responded to your post." Gee, you should have notified me psychically.

Since you're "psychic" and all, why don't you tell me what I'm thinking right now? Oh, you say I think you're full of crap? Wow, you ARE psychic! How do you do it?

Sorry, Dude (or Dudette, as the case may be) but all the sarcasm in the world won't prove the existance of psychic ability, especially in the case of Sylvia Brown(e) whose own son says that she is a fake who has told him that anyone who believes her bullshit deserves to be taken.

Oh, you say he's lying about her? Well, MY "psychic" powers tell me he's telling the truth and as we know, psychic readings are good as gold.
psychic dr truth
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 | 04:01 PM
Why don't you two look up the definition of the word psychic and get back to me with some actual educated questions?
Your physical location and physical thoughts are not psychic phenomena to be read.
But I understand the tactic. You don't believe in psychics, so you define "psychic" and ask questions to match your own definition and if these criteria aren't met (as you expect them not to since you are purposefully wrongly defining the phenomenon) then you claim victory.
Like the word "homophobia" which actually means fear of homosexuals or homosexuality but which the media has used to classify anyone who opines that sexual relations between members of the same sex is unnatural or wrong. When in truth, if one was afraid of homosexuals, one would never confront them and voice said opinion.

So you claim that a psychic must be able to say your location, mother's maiden name, or current thoughts so that by that definition, noone is psychic. If you truly believe that a psychic is a person that can read your mind than by God I agree with you that they don't exist. Or rather I should say that I guess I am not psychic since I don't read minds. But if there are people out there that claim they do, I would also like to have a demonstration.
And for all comments after "sorry, dude", what in the world are you talking about? That's rather disjointed.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 | 03:25 AM
Dr. Truth said:

"So you claim that a psychic must be able to say your location, mother's maiden name, or current thoughts so that by that definition, noone is psychic."

So, if we ask you to use your "psychic abilities" to tell us something objective about ourselves which we can confirm or deny, we "misunderstand" what a "psychic" can do.

On the other hand, when you spew some bullshit about how my chakras need to be aligned and my Chi needs to have its oil changed, THAT to you proves something.

God forbid that anything you say be subjected to actual TESTING. No, your "psychic" ability can't be TESTED objectively.

Wait, I'm getting a message from The Beyond. Here's my reading of you. You are a fraud who wants people to believe that you have "special powers" which will make them give you money to "read" them. You know that this is all a bunch of shit, but since it's easier than actually WORKING for a living and there is no shortage of suckers who will go along with the scam, you have no intention of giving it up.

I further predict that you will deny what I have just said and call me more names.

My Spidey senses also tingle at the fact that you are avoiding addressing the fact that Sylvia Brown(e)'s SON says she has admitted being a fraud to him and said that anyone who believes her bullshit deserves to be be taken.
Rhiannon
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 | 08:02 AM
Cranky Media guy is my hero.
psychic dr truth
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 | 03:19 PM
thanks for so eloquently proving my point.
Dude, you seriously need to take a Valium and two Somas.
The whole point of bringing up your chakras is to alert readers to the fact that you need help. I know you don't want it but you need prayer, and all the gobbledygook you don't believe in because you are seriously stressing yourself out over something you have absolutely no control over and also which can be guaranteed to never change since Sylvians will be Sylvians. You disagree with some people and you think so and so is a fraud. There is nothing wrong with that. But harming yourself mentally and physically because of anger and frustration is not going to help.
Count to ten. Refocus yourself on the positive. Think happy thoughts.
Or continue on your current path and prove me right by increasing your epinephrine and cortisol levels leading to some serious deleterious health effects.
Peace be unto you my brother
sala ma laikum
psychic dr truth
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 | 03:26 PM
Oh btw,
have you ever had your Chakra aligned or your Chi's oil changed?
You make it sound like you've had it and it didn't work and so you have your proof, so just checking. And also, there's no charge for my readings at all. Usually they are negative and people don't pay to hear stuff like that. Well at least I mostly remember the negative about the people I read. That's one of my own personality traits that needs working on.
Nope, no charge. Especially when you know yourself well enough. If you know yourself you don't need to be read by anybody.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 | 03:42 PM
"Dr. Truth," if all your readings are as accurate as your reading of me was, then free is the appropriate price for them.

Now that you've had your fun with gratuitously insulting me and engaging in self-promotion, can we return to the actual topic of this thread, Sylvia Browne?
psychic dr trutn
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 | 01:26 PM
Interesting you should say that since there seems to be no discussion of Ms. Browne at all. Only personal attacks at anyone who dares to counter your viewpoint. I find it quite peculiar that you are so obsessed with her. Is she even aware of your existence?
Have you ever seen a therapist about this?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 | 02:56 PM
"Dr." "Truth" said:

"I find it quite peculiar that you are so obsessed with her. Is she even aware of your existence?"

Uh, she's the alleged "psychic" here. Why don't you ask HER?

So, in your bizarre opinion, if she doesn't know who I am, I shouldn't talk about her. Wow. Does that go for the President, too? Since I've never met him, should I not be allowed to talk about him?

By the way, "Doctor," what is your doctorate in? Where did you acquire it and when? Or since I don't know you, should I not be allowed to ask those questions?

Now, would you care to talk about the actual topic of this thread, Sylvia Browne?
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 | 07:13 PM
You know, "Doc," you're right. This thread is WAY off topic at this point. Hmm, I wonder how that happened. Let me go check. Hang on, I'll be right back.

OK, I'm back. Funny story, "Doc." Turns out YOU are the reason the thread is off topic. Before you first showed up on Page 35, we were pretty much ON topic (Sylvia Browne and "psychics" in general). Then you went on your tirade about my alleged need for a Quickee While-U-Wait Chakra Alignment.

So your complaint is actually about a problem YOU caused.

Then, just to make things even MORE amusing, you refer to it as an "obsession" when I talk about Sylvia Browne ON A THREAD DEVOTED TO DISCUSSING HER.

Damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

By the way, "Doc," I find it quite peculiar that you are so obsessed with me.

Have you ever seen a therapist about this?

Now I would like to invite other people to contribute information or informed opinion about the actual subject of the thread, Sylvia Browne.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 | 11:25 PM
If Dr. Truth has dealt with his obsession issues we can continue. I hope you are all keeping up to date with the latest Sylvia blunders by reading the excellent articles at the Stop Sylvia Browne website:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/
LightOrion
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 | 11:18 AM
I somehow ended up on page 35 of 36 by doing a Google search about Sylvia Browne. I guess that means the other 34 pages were not worth my time. I think it is sad that people who don't have natural gifts have to put down those of us who do. I'm not psychic (unless you count Tarot), I have other gifts I'm not going into, but I know people who are. I wonder when I hear people on the radio like Dr Darla reading people's aura over the phone if they are for real. Especially after reading Dr Truth's post saying that he or she could not see the location of one of the other people who posted. Of course even if the location were correct the person performing the test could easily say that the answer is wrong. Psychics can be tested, but it only makes sense to do so in the same room. Long distance testing is hard to do without a third party in the target location to monitor the honesty of the person being scanned. I feel sorry for the people who belittle Ms Browne for her few failures and I question the veracity of those who say that she told someone that their parents were in Hell since she does not believe in the place. I think a lot of this negativity has to do with the whole "fear what you do not understand" train of thought, and unfortunately sometimes fear can turn to hate. For those of you who think the only spirits that exist are God and Satan, think about this. Are you saying your own soul does not exist? Angels? The Holy Spirit? I'm not judging you, the whole "Judge not lest ye be judged" thing is a good thing to live by, but who are you to judge others?
psychic dr truth
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 | 01:06 PM
No lightOrion, this thread is not about Sylvia at all and if you read the 34 pages you'd see it too. This is a place where people who hate Sylvia ask those who believe her to prove them wrong about her. But if you post a prediction of hers that came to fruition, it is dismissed as "cold reading" and you are personally attacked.
This page is actually about some very disturbed people whose only focus it seems is to denigrate those who believe in the supernatural. They've already made up their minds that Sylvia is a fraud and will twist all evidence to fit with their viewpoints.
Since they can't attack Sylvia face to face, they choose to attack those who believe in her. I fear it has become an obsession.
But I also wanted to ask you about Tarot. My feelings on it are that it is false. I have never had it done so I am completely ignorant here. How exactly does it work and has it worked for you?
psychic dr truth
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 | 01:52 PM
And for Cranky, do you even understand your own logic?
You say that I complain about a problem I caused when I was referring to your own complaint about my not focusing on Ms. Browne. Why do you always nitpick on small portions of what people say, often taking them completely out of context?
I don't think you're obsessed simply because you post about Sylvia but because of your rants, raves, and personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with you.
I do not post to attack you but only to ask you to calm down and not allow yourself to be riled up over such minutia. I actually care about your health. I ask people to send positive energy your way and your reaction to it is, as usual, personal attacks.
If you actually checked the posts prior to my own, you would have to admit that you yourself have gone off topic several times to spew hatred at posters. Kelly being one case in point.
If, as you say, this thread is about Sylvia and psychics in general, then my first post, the psyhic reading of you, fits very well into the topic being discussed. Is Chakra alignment not one of the supernatural claims that you so adamantly object to?
Furthermore, I hardly think one post about my reading of you constitutes an obsession, especially when compared to the volume of your own as regards Ms. Browne.
And please don't take my questions to you as personal attacks. I am actually interested in the answers.
And since you asked, yes I do have a doctorate, an M.D. from the Tulane School of Medicine. I can't wait to read the response to that. I have a general idea of how it's gonna go. I promise to be truthful in reporting whether my current reading of your reaction is correct.
So, there is no need to place doctor in quotation marks when referring to me.
LightOrion
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 | 03:50 PM
Hmmm. I've got think how to explain it when I'm a novice using it myself. I guess I assumed that your word "reading" was Tarot based, but apparently I was wrong. I'm an Intellectual Loner based on Sylvia's list, so I find myself interested in all sorts of things. I owned a Tarot deck for about 6 months before a robbery resulted in the loss of all of my books and the cards. In that time I did readings mostly for myself, and for one person via phone. There are many different ways to arrange the cards, the most common is the Celtic Cross which is the most informative. Without a reference, I can only go by memory. I always had to consult the book for the meanings of the cards, but I was also instructed on how to read the cards without the book. Sometimes the two things did not go together. I can't remember how many cards are in this spread, I think there are seven. It is a past, present, future thing that shows you how things that have happened (which have always seemed accurate), may be affecting your present life (again accurate) and what will happen if you don't change the way you are currently handling things. I have never done a short term reading to know how accurate the future part might be, I tend to have long term goals in mind and I cannot recall what my sister-in-law's sister wanted to know or how it turned out. I hate the term wishful thinking as much as Sylvia does, and having read her books I think of the Tarot as a sort of glimpse at our own chart.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 02:34 AM
"Psychic" "Dr." "Truth" said:

"If, as you say, this thread is about Sylvia and psychics in general, then my first post, the psyhic reading of you, fits very well into the topic being discussed. Is Chakra alignment not one of the supernatural claims that you so adamantly object to?"

Ah, but *I* am not the subject of the thread.

"Furthermore, I hardly think one post about my reading of you constitutes an obsession, especially when compared to the volume of your own as regards Ms. Browne."

Again, it's "obsessive" to discuss Sylvia Browne on a thread DEVOTED TO HER?

"And please don't take my questions to you as personal attacks. I am actually interested in the answers."

Here's your answers: My chakras are in perfect alignment (I chased down a gypsy and asked her to check that with her crystal ball. She did and according to her, I'm fine chakra-wise). I bought chi by the bucketful at Sam's Club the other day so no worries on that score either.

"And since you asked, yes I do have a doctorate, an M.D. from the Tulane School of Medicine. I can't wait to read the response to that."

Oh, I believe you. I, personally, have a J.D. from Harvard Law, a fellowship at the Cato Institute, I got my M.D. at the Sorbonne and to have an audience with the Pope all I have to do is call his secret 800 number. It's true because I said it on a website.

"I have a general idea of how it's gonna go. I promise to be truthful in reporting whether my current reading of your reaction is correct."

Did you guess "sarcasm?" If so, you win! Congratulations, pick any Faberge egg from the top shelf.

"So, there is no need to place doctor in quotation marks when referring to me."

Eh, I think I'll stick with my instincts on this one, "Doc." But you must have known I'd say that since you're "psychic" and all.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 02:53 AM
Light Orion said:

"I somehow ended up on page 35 of 36 by doing a Google search about Sylvia Browne. I guess that means the other 34 pages were not worth my time."

Wow, is that really an example of your reasoning? How did you arrive at that conclusion? I'll bet that many postings from the other 35 pages ALSO show up on a Google search for Sylvia if you just bother to look. Did you hit "I feel lucky"?

"I think it is sad that people who don't have natural gifts have to put down those of us who do."

Um, if you had bothered to read some of the other 35 pages, you would have found several examples of exactly WHY people believe that Sylvia Brown(e) is a fraud--like the fact that she recycles "phone readings" of some of her clients. Yes, virtually word for word. But you didn't WANT to see anything that contradicted what you believe about Sylvia and "psychics" in general. Oh well.

"I'm not psychic (unless you count Tarot), I have other gifts I'm not going into, but I know people who are."

Since when does Tarot NOT count as a supernatural ability (assuming there's anything to it, which, of course, there isn't)?

"I wonder when I hear people on the radio like Dr Darla reading people's aura over the phone if they are for real. Especially after reading Dr Truth's post saying that he or she could not see the location of one of the other people who posted."

I'm having a little trouble following what you're saying there. Are you saying that because "Dr." "Truth" said he COULDN'T do a certain "psychic" thing, that proves that he CAN do other "psychic" things? Huh?

"Psychics can be tested, but it only makes sense to do so in the same room. Long distance testing is hard to do without a third party in the target location to monitor the honesty of the person being scanned."

James Randi has been offering a Million Dollar Prize for anyone who can demonstrate supernatural ability under controlled conditions. Sylvia Brown(e) promised on the Larry King Show that she would allow herself to be tested, then reneged.

"Psychic" ability CAN be tested scientifically. It really isn't that complicated, but the "big names" in the "psychic" business are afraid to be tested. Care to guess why that might be?

"I feel sorry for the people who belittle Ms Browne for her few failures and I question the veracity of those who say that she told someone that their parents were in Hell since she does not believe in the place."

Sylvia has had WAY more than a "few" failures. Why don't you go to randi.com, use her name as a search term and take a gander at some of her ginormous fuck-ups? You're not afraid to learn some truth about her, are you?

"I think a lot of this negativity has to do with the whole "fear what you do not understand" train of thought, and unfortunately sometimes fear can turn to hate."

Speaking for myself, I hate that old broad because she is a FRAUD who preys on the lonely and sick. Her own son says she is a fake. She has been caught giving the exact same reading to at least two of her "phone reading" clients about 18 months apart. Oh, she also comes pretty close to practicing medicine without a license when she tells people what medications they should and shouldn't take. Other than that, I want to make her my next wife.


"For those of you who think the only spirits that exist are God and Satan, think about this. Are you saying your own soul does not exist? Angels? The Holy Spirit?"

Huh? Why do you assume that any of us believe that ANY "spirits" exist? Some of us might and some of us (cough ME cough) don't believe in any of that stuff.
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 08:59 AM
The StopSylviaBrowne website is filled with nitpicking things that have minor differences across several books. Like her story about Francine where the website calls her a liar because the details about how she was holding the flashlight or the room in the house differently. Nothing major, because there is nothing major to find. Same with the panther thing, they assume she made huge leaps between telling the story about the same person multiple times. She never said the story was about the same person in every book. There is a post at the top of page 35 about spirits, I was addressing them with that comment. Apparently her mistakes have not made her unusable by the police. I mean, who can tell if someone is dead or unconscious from a distance with any real certainty? It is not surprising that she may have said someone was dead who was not. I'm all for truth, but some of what I've seen is just ridiculous. For example why would her son, who is psychic himself, say anything bad about her? I'm on the losing end on this site, unfortunately, since it is dedicated to saying bad things about her. I am grateful for those brave enough to defend her.
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 09:09 AM
I just noticed I missed a few points in the last message. I said I don't consider Tarot the same as psychic, not that it is not supernatural. Psychic by my definition is knowing things about people or places by seeing them in your mind. That's what I meant by the unconscious vs dead thing I posted. If a psychic vision is like an aerial view of the person or place, that is. I did not say Dr Truth "could not" more that he "would not" because asking someone where you are is too easy to lie about. Even if he had said "you are in Denver on I-70 at mile marker 30 and that is where the guy was posting from (in his car from the sound of the post) he could have easily denied it. From what I've heard from others, the past (lives) and the present are far easier to see than the future in many cases. Lottery numbers? That's just too random. I'd love to see something somewhere listing Sylvia's wrongs along side her rights and I'm sure the good list would be far longer than the bad one.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 03:16 PM
Light Orion said:

"Apparently her mistakes have not made her unusable by the police."

Sylvia, like a lot of professional "psychics," like to tout how they have supposedly been used by police. When you look into this stuff, however, what you almost always find is that the "psychic" approached the police with an offer to help and that the "help" ended up being of no use to the cops in solving the crime.

A trick "psychics" like to use is to predict that a missing person will be found in a "wooded area near water." Well, where would YOU bury a body, in the middle of Times Square? Since they use the vague term "near water" and since nearly ALL wooded areas of any size have a lake, stream, river, pond or large puddle in them somewhere, they stand a very good chance of being right.

"I mean, who can tell if someone is dead or unconscious from a distance with any real certainty? It is not surprising that she may have said someone was dead who was not."

Oh? How can you communicate with the soul of a person on the "Other Side" when the person is ALIVE? Isn't that what Sylvia claims to do?

"I'm all for truth, but some of what I've seen is just ridiculous. For example why would her son, who is psychic himself, say anything bad about her?"

And yet it happened. So, when Sylvia fucks up royally and "speaks" to the "spirit" of a person who is ALIVE, you make excuses for her.

When her own SON says she's a fraud who has told him that anyone who believes in her nonsense DESERVES to be taken, you refuse to consider it.

You also, of course, completely ignored what I said about Sylvia PROMISING, on national television, to submit to testing of her "psychic" abilities, then breaking her promise. Or don't you believe that that happened?

"I'm on the losing end on this site, unfortunately, since it is dedicated to saying bad things about her. I am grateful for those brave enough to defend her."

This site is NOT "dedicated to saying bad things about her." First off, this thread is a small part of this whole site. Secondly, do you see anyone censoring those of you who want to defend the old fraud? I think you just don't want to see people provide accurate information about her and her scam because you are determined to believe in her despite all evidence to the contrary.
Rhiannon
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 03:57 PM
Once again, Cranky Media Guy scores. You Sylvia believers need to do some research,and stop buying snake oil.
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 04:51 PM
I must have missed that point in your previous post. She has also asked to be tested and been refused, so it goes both ways.
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 04:59 PM
People visit the Other Side when sleeping quite often, especially children, so communicating with the spirit of a child who was not dead would not be unusual if the child was sleeping.
LightOrion
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 | 05:56 PM
I did a Google search on the whole "deserves to be taken thing" and the only reference I can find is an interview on StopSylviaBrowne.com where her ex-husband (who never believed in her abilities) says that.
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