The Museum of Hoaxes
sylvia browne
Posted By:
padego
Apr 04, 2005
 Just thought I'd peruse Ms. Browne's site for news of the pope, oddly theres no mention....

http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm
Category: Prophecy-Psychic; Replies: 765

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 03:12 PM
roxy,
What do you think is being defied when someone claims to be "talking to the dead" or "sees angel wings on Larry King's back"? Perhaps you need a remedial course in English to better understand what someone is writing about.
roxy
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 04:09 PM
Oh, sorry to insult your boyfriend captain al. I didn't realize sci-fi conventioners were really dependent on one anothers opinions. sorry bud, I do understand what egon is saying but maybe he should have written nature not physics. perhaps physics could be a study of (physic)al) nature? hmm, which, if she were to defy physics then she would have to fly or move things with her mind.
Hearing dead things does not defy physics, neither does seeing things. where in physics does it say that those things defy physics.
anyway did she really say she saw wings on larry kings back. what the hell?
I wish the best of luck in your relationship with egon. good luck!
hope to talk to you again captain kir... i mean al.

out. Roxy foxy!
Carter S
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 04:50 PM
Roxy, Physics is a big part of nature. By saying that sylvia browne is defying the known laws of physics they are also saying that she's defying the known laws of nature. Talking to the dead is defying nature, I don't know about seeing things, because there are many people who see things because they're on medication and such. But it's in the same category.
Roxy you're right, cmg hasn't responded back to my second comment. I sure am looking forward to it though.
Kelly, thanks for the information.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 08:02 PM
Well who am I to argue with someone named roxy; witty and a scholar too. Those clever insults will leave me forever scarred.

Yes she did say she saw angel wings on Larry King's back. On national television too. Thanks for being up-to-date on the topic.
Kelly
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 09:49 PM
I Recall Ms. Browne stating the same thing on National Television, about the so called ANGEL WINGS, on someone like LARRY KING, GOD HELP US!!
There maybe Angels around Mr. King, but attatched to him!? I doubt it seriously!!
When one DIES, I Believe they do not become Angel's. GOD, JESUS, and HAIL MARY ALL have BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF ANGELS To do the tasks they are asked to do. When we die, we are Spirits. Or Ghost's, when one dies and doesn't relize he or she is all but GONE from this earth. And doen't want to leave, out of Fear, out of just not wanting to go just yet. Out of getting a kick out of scaring the Hell out of Folks. Who knows?
I was in Berkely Ca. once in '98 My sister LT. COL. Sister, very proud of Her. and I went to an New Age Seminar, I got read, usually Psychic's CAN'T or WON'T read me?? Go figure? She stated that I had a lot of "ANGEL BABIES" Fluttering around my head, that it's hard for me to consentrate on anything, but there were lots of these babies. I have come to figure out why they were babies, Because on this cruel not so trusting Earth of ours THEY R the ONLY ONES one can TRUST, not to abandone you, not to hurt you, not to lash out because you are different. They R STRAIGHT FROM HEAVEN ABOVE; GOD'S HANDS. And Yes MY WHOLE LIFE I STILL have a HUGE prob. keeping my mind on ONE ONE THING, and not five or more at the same time. So Cranky Media Guy, and the rest of you can BELIEVE what you want to, it's STILL a FREE COUNTRY isn't it?
Much Love, T8 Care.
Kelly. ps. You are Very Welcome Carter. 😊
PSS. No I didn't proof read this, my freakin' hands and wrists R KILLING ME MAN!! So Sorry for the Rotten Grammer!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 01:51 AM
Roxy said:

"hi cranky guy how are you? I dont believe in sylvia, but how can her powers defy the laws of physics? lets see, shes not defying gravity, the laws of motion, torque, angular momentum, or do you even know what that is? no i would have to say that if she did have powers, that it wouldn't be defying physics. newton would have to agree with me.

"now go back to your star trek marathon and think about all of those girls you can't get.
ps. hey I think a sci-fi convention is being held in your honor!

"pps. arent these faces the greatest"

First off, Roxy, I think you owe a big "Thank you" to whoever helped you write that posting. Do they
help you with your homework, too? If so, try asking them for help with the English some time.

Uh, you don't think that "hearing" "messages" from the dead defies the known laws of physics? Really? By what property would the dead be able to communicate? What energy would they use for that?

As I've mentioned before, the burden of proof is on you. Please explain--or have your smarter friend explain--how Sylvia is able (allgedly) to do these amazing things. By the way, did your smart friend have the time to look up "ad hominem attacks" and explain the concept to you yet?

Attack as you will; it will do nothing to prove that Sylvia Browne is anything other than a fraud who takes advantage of desperate people. You insult me because you can't respond logically to the questions I raise about her. By the way, I'm still laughing at you.
roxy
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 03:59 PM
Captain kirk says: "Well who am I to argue with someone named roxy; witty and a scholar too. Those clever insults will leave me forever scarred."
Translation: "I must hurry back to my comic book store, where i dispense the insults rather than absorb them."
Then Egon says: "Attack as you will; it will do nothing to prove that Sylvia Browne is anything other than a fraud who takes advantage of desperate people. You insult me because you can't respond logically to the questions I raise about her. By the way, I'm still laughing at you."
Translation: "what is the cleen-on word for loneliness, oh yes, GARRRRRDOCKKKKK."

oh, SO SORRY guys I really didn't know i was hurting your feelings. I just thought that i had your lifes to a T.
For the last time i don't believe in sylvia. Im not trying to have an answer for your "logical" explanations, the reason why im making fun of you is because i like to make fun of people who live in their parents basement still. How old are you guys. 25-50, that's sad. NO WONDER YOU "men" CAN'T GET CHICKS. When was the last time you guys had a date? ummm probably never. that's what i thought.
Hey, cranky egon guy, i am so happy for you!!!! 😊 Im glad your laughing because you know what they say. "Laughter is the best medicine". you know some people don't even laugh. that's a shame.
Well, any way I hope you guys don't miss your sci-fi convention. You know, it is being held in egons honor. good luck!!!
ps.I know a kid who can trade all of his pokemon cards for your magic cards. radical huh?
WITH GREAT LOVE!
💋
Foxy Roxy.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 05:55 PM
"For that "actual evidence" I meant scientific evidence. Because of my own experiences."

Is that the "second comment" you were referring to? If so, what exactly am I supposed to reply to? I have no idea what your "own experiences" are, after all.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 05:58 PM
Roxy, since you are seemingly incapable of defending Sylvia Browne's claims with anything resembling an actual FACT and can only engage in adhominem attack (which you still haven't bothered to look up, it seems) I will simply ignore you in the future.

Anyone else want to try to defend Sylvia?
Leo Marin
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 07:21 PM
Im not typing this to make a believer out of ANYONE. But I must say from my OWN experience that I believe in people with "special" powers.

I meet a man once who through his vision told me about my pass. No, not my past life he spoke to me about sum personal shit that only I would know of. He had the ability to tap into the pass and could also see some of the future. Everything he has said has come to be.

Told my cousin he would fall in love with a dark skin girl that would break his heart, Told my girl cousin that she would have BIG problems with her marriage and that the man she was goin to get with was no good for her (he never met the dude or even saw, spoke with him) Told my sister she would suffer with her current boyfriend......

Well sure enough my cousin fell in love with a dark skin girl who he later found out was pregnant with another man while they were goin out... Sure enough one day when drinkin he conffessed that the girl had "shattered" his heart into a million pieces......

My girl cousin broke up with her Husband for awhile after constant fighting, they are back together now but may break up again only God knows for sure.....

My sister has had problems with her boyfriend who my mom absolutely hates and we have heard stories from family members claimin that he hits or hit her infront of them........

Theres some other person shit I cannot share of course cause it gets very personal but all I can say is IF U HAVE DOUBTS than its better to KEEP them.......

I know I always do,,,,, keep an OPEN MIND about EVERYTHING...... make your own conclusions,

And if Dogs and other animals can "sense" danger what makes u think that us Humans cannot do the same with our minds?????

Remember in a UNIVERSE so immense with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of stars, planets, Glaxies, nubias, moons, comets...... what makes u think there is no God, Supreme Being, Creator, or whatever u desire to call him/her/it/

Why would the Earth rotate PERFECTY around a SUN without bumping into it and burning this Earth to smitherines?????

again im not typin this to CONVINCE anyone cause i too hat religions, devils, fakes who try and change views of others.....

This is simply my experience and short views of why I think there is a God and the possiblity of Phenomenon

thnx for your time God Bless ALL
Carter S
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 07:43 PM
That was quite amusing. You also have to remember that you guys were attacking Kelly earlier about her spelling, which that has absolutely no relevance here.
No, not that one, the longer response on page six. It's the one where you say my "personal experiences are not relevant here." (And having roxy say I'm right, really didn't help my argument either.)
I am not trying to defend sylvia. I don't think roxy is either. She obviously doesn't know what's going on, and frankly I don't think she cares.
Roxy, your opinions do not matter to anyone on this forum. I am guessing that all your going to do is insult people.
If you have any thing intelligent to say in the future, I might actually respond to you.
I have had many experiences in which I can not explain. I would have toilets flush on their own (not auto flushers), I've had a sliding door go back and forth in a fast and aggressive motion for about five seconds.Which has happened more than once.(as well as my mother),and many more.
Now, I know this is not evidence, and I am also not trying to persuade anyone, since no one else besides my family has experienced it. I am also not saying, because of my own
experiences, that Sylvia Brownes "gifts" are real.
She was actually on Montel today.
Now my question is to you CMG and Captain Al. Do you guys think that psychic abilties are fake? or is it just sylvia that you are arguing is fake?
Talking to the dead is something that I will remain neutral on since no one can prove it right nor wrong. But, it will be something of interesting discussion.
Well, gotta go study.
Talk to you guys later.
Carter S
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 07:53 PM
Leo, I completely agree with you. I think that everything that this earth has to give couldn't be just a mere chance nor a coincidence. That's why I believe in god, well that and my own experiences. Not because people or religions are telling me to. It just makes more sense with God. My family has had many phenomenons as well.
peace out fellas
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 11:15 PM
Carter,

People who claim to have paranormal powers fall into one of two categories. They are either deliberate fakes or they are delusional.

My personal opinion is that all claimed psychic abilities are false for one of the two reasons stated above. You may not agree but please note, not one psychic has ever been able to demonstrate their abilities under controlled conditions. By controlled conditions I mean a situation where every precaution has been take to ensure they really are doing what they claim. This is to avoid any possibility of deceit, intentional or otherwise. Over the years, the fakes have invented many clever tricks (planting their own people in the audience, <a href="http://www.skepdic.com/coldread.html">cold reading</a>, etc) to deceive the faithful so it is very important to take every precaution. In the case of Sylvia Browne, we are talking about a deliberate fake.

Don't you agree that if someone really does have psychic abilities, it would be a fairly simple process to verify that fact beyond a shadow of a doubt? If so why hasn't anyone been able to do this?

If Sylvia Browne were to pass a simple test, she would receive worldwide publicity. In fact she has refused to be tested for the <a href="http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.html">JREF $1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge</a>. Why would she not use her claimed "abilities" to easily snap up a $1,000,000? There is only one reason: she knows she will not pass.
Kelly
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 11:44 PM
Capt. AL,
I DO BELIEVE there are FOLKS out there/Here that CAN do what Ms. Browne Does. HONEST GOOD FOLKS.
There is an odd ball guy who works for a friend of
my Brother. He told one of his Workmates NOT TO COME For his Check for he will be dead by tomorrow....The Guy and all the other's laughed at him. The Other Guy never came in to pick up his check. Eric and some other's went to check up on him, for he wasn't answering his phone, beeper, or cell. They found that he had DIED from an Car Accident.... Now that's SPOOKY! The guy is SPOOKY. Scares the hell out of my brother, I for one would like to meet this fella. I find it very VERY INTERESTING. He isn't all that educated, and lives in the hill's of Tn.
I can TELL when an Loved one is about to pass on. I'll See a DARK SHADOW an figure out of the corner of my eyes.And sure enough within day's someone will have died. I Knew John Ritter was going to die, I saw his funeral, and all wide awake, I dismissed it. I later that night dreamt he was going to die along with I thought JOHNNY CARSON, But it was JHONNY CASH. Got the Intials correct. Our main TV, will get really SCREWY when I TRY to change the channel, It goes to another channel when I turn the Volumn up? I can't wear Watches. They DIE on me, I have purchased one too many batteries, and watches all to have them just die on me. AND I LOVE WATCHES!
While I was going to see what my LUNG Tests were going to be I was thinking of my Diseased Dad, and the car or SUV in front of us License read: JEN 472. My Dad's Middle name; and the name he was called most of his life was GENE, he died on OCTOBER 4TH. 1972. I Knew my Test's were going to turn out okay. And I was Right.
I will OFTEN see an SPARK OF LIGHT, I believe to be my father.
I once Played with an Ougee sp? Board, and a Spirit came thru...and was AFRAID OF ME?? His name was Seth.
When I was little like elevenish, my siblings were playing with the Owegee sp? Board and asked it if KELLY would ever marry. It stated No. Would Kelly ever move out? it stated NO. I got upset and mom made them put it away.
I'm Single. And unfortunatly i live still with my controlling mother. Why Don't I get out? Because I can NOT get out. I can DIE. That my Family CAN NOT CONTROL. BUT GOD.....DOES.
Later,
T8 CARE.
Kelly.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 12:50 AM
Captain Al said:

"People who claim to have paranormal powers fall into one of two categories. They are either deliberate fakes or they are delusional."

I agree completely. If there is are such things as "paranormal abilities," they have never--NEVER--been demonstrated under controlled conditions, so why would I believe in them?

As for the personal experiences people have related here, I'm sure that virtually everyone on Earth can point to something odd that's happened to them. That, however, does not demonstrate that ANY of those events violate the known laws of physics, as a "paranormal" event would have to do by definition.

In the case of Sylvia Browne, it is my opinion that she is a knowing fraud. She has the motive, opportunity and ability to pretend to have "psychic" power. She derives her income from pretending to have those powers. If you think she actually HAS abilities that defy the known laws of physics ("nature" if you prefer), then the burden of proof is on YOU (or Sylvia) to show that she doesn't just play tricks on her victims. Uh, I meant CLIENTS.

The simple, sad, fact is that EVERYTHING she claims to do can be duplicated via simple tricks--like simply making shit up, for example. Given that, and the fact that James Randi has caught her giving virtually identical "readings" to different clients at different times, why should ANYONE accept the notion that she has extraordinary abilities? All available evidence strongly suggests she is nothing more than a fraud.
Kelly
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 01:01 AM
Did I ONCE mention the honorable $$Ms. BROWNE$$??

READ THE BOOK I MENTIONED ON PAGE 5!! "EXPERIENCING THE SOUL. Before Birth, During Life, After Death. Edited by Eliot Jay Rosen.
It WILL INDEED HAVE THE FREAKIN' PROOF YOU NEED. And if this doesn't satisfie you, What about the Edward Casey Files? Or Dr. Morse MD. Files, and Books. I have over 200 books on nothing BUT: NDE'S, OBE'S, ANGELS, AFTER DEATH, ARCH ANGEL'S, PRIMINITIONS, ETC; I will have to look up some GOOD ones for YOu to read. And if you STILL don't believe MAN R U GOING 2 BE SURPRISED WHEN U DIE!! And if, IF, u by chance end up in an Grey or Black area with other's like yourself, JUST PRAY, LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE AND YOU'LL BE OUT OF THERE IN A HEART BEAT.
Kelly.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 06:13 AM
Kelly said:

"Did I ONCE mention the honorable $$Ms. BROWNE$$??"

Gee, I thought the whole thread was about Sylvia Browne.

"READ THE BOOK I MENTIONED ON PAGE 5!! "EXPERIENCING THE SOUL. Before Birth, During Life, After Death. Edited by Eliot Jay Rosen.
It WILL INDEED HAVE THE FREAKIN' PROOF YOU NEED."

Reading a single page of a book will convince me that there is a life after death? Wow, that must be some page!

"And if this doesn't satisfie you, What about the Edward Casey Files? Or Dr. Morse MD. Files, and Books."

Well, what about them? Are you under the impression that, just because someone wrote a book about something, that it must be true?

"I have over 200 books on nothing BUT: NDE'S, OBE'S, ANGELS, AFTER DEATH, ARCH ANGEL'S, PRIMINITIONS, ETC; I will have to look up some GOOD ones for YOu to read. And if you STILL don't believe MAN R U GOING 2 BE SURPRISED WHEN U DIE!!"

I'm willing to take my chances.

"And if, IF, u by chance end up in an Grey or Black area with other's like yourself, JUST PRAY, LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PRAYED BEFORE AND YOU'LL BE OUT OF THERE IN A HEART BEAT."

So, if I kiss God's ass, even after I'm dead, He'll let me out of his little jail? Good to know. Thanks a lot. They forgot to teach me about that in the 12 years of Catholic school I attended.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 06:14 AM
Oh, by the way, Kelly, is the Afterlife grey or black? I want to be sure to accessorize correctly on my death bed.
Carter S
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 04:33 PM
Hey guys, I also think that many people who claim to have powers are a complete fraud. That's why for me I have to see it to believe it. Here's a little story that I would like to share.
( NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE ANYONE AT ALL).
My family and I were at the movies, we were all talking amongst ourselves,( before the movie started), then out of nowhere my mom looked a little ill and quite confused. She sat there staring at the blank screen. My dad asked her what was wrong and she said that she just saw our car get broken into, and that her purse had been opened. She said it played out like a movie on the screen. (Which, by the way, the movie nor the previews had even started yet.) We all said "ok mom" and laughed and sort of made fun of her for a while until the movie started. After the movie we walked out and lo and behold our car had been broken into and her purse sitting on the passenger seat opened.( she hides her purse under the seat). Many other cars in the parking lot were broken into as well. We all looked at each other in amazement. (except for my dad which he was too busy looking in the car to see what had been taken.) All of us are still amazed. She still doesn't know how it happened. no one does. We don't think she is psychic or anyhting, and neither does she. But, I think that people can actually have some sort of a preminition. I don't know what law it is that she was breaking, but I do know that it has happened, and happens to millions of people every day without them calling themselves psychic.
I think that maybe you guys might have something happen to you as well future, but if not, then you are one of those other million that also have not had any kind of experience.
She has also had dreams where my aunt was in a wheel chair with a broken leg, which we found out was true when my mom called my aunt to tell her about the dream. And she also has had a dream where my cousin got into a car accident and sure enough did that day. Again Im not saying that she's psychic, nor is she calling herself one. But I think that some how it happens to people. I don't know how or why, but I would like to find out.
Sylvia is pretty much saying that she is a fraud by not taking that test. While I was watching montel I could actually predict what she was going to say to the next person without myself being a psychic. All the same shit.
I think that sylvia is fake, until she proves the me wrong. But I think that it happens by accident.
Maybe there are people with really good psychic abilities, maybe they never heard of James Randi and would like to cash in on that prize. Maybe people have cashed in on it and he wants it to be a secret or something I don't know.( not likely, but a possibility) I really hope that if someone does have those powers then they will step up and be a man( or psychic) and take that challenge.
Later guys.
ps.cmg you still have not responded to it. 6th page after my first forum response. later
roxy
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 09:06 PM
hey everyone! what up! so how did your convention go! i bet you guys were stoked to be there! so! Egon! Cooter! why won't you guys respond back to me. that's mean. well i guess it's because since you don't have any friends you really don't want to take a chance and lose any. Well ad hominem attack is something that happens in a young mans life. i believe it's called premature ejaculation! it's a wonderful event that every boy goes through. even girls! but i guess we do that at a different time!!!!! wooooooooo!
but its time to be cereal now. did i just say cereal. i mean serious. or did i?
ps. shoop, shoopadoop, shoopadoop, shoopadoop padoop padoop!
pms. cmg I will help you accessorize, it's fun!!! first you need a baggy, then some paper. it will be a hoot!!!!!
pmmss.I LOVE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPMMSS. i think sylvia looks like that one guy in the wwf. you know the one that thinks he's dead and calls himself the underwearer or something?!!!!!!!
Kelly
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 10:24 PM
My Dear, Dear Cranky Media Guy, You poor Fella. Were your NUN'S MEAN TO YOU? And DID U DESERVE TO BE MEAN TO? PROBABLY. I WOULD MY OWN OPPION; WOULD SAY YOU ETERNITY WILL BE DARK AS HELL, WITH RED LITES OF COURSE. YOU'LL BE VERY ''WELCOMED'' DOWN THERE. NO WONDER YOUR SO FULL OF HATE! YOUR AN CATHOLIC FOR GOD'S SAKE. WERE YOU ABUSED BY ONE OR MORE OF THE PRIESTS, AND NOW TAKING IT ALL OUT ON ANYONE AND EVERYONE. THERE'S HELP OUT THERE YOU KNOW IF YOU REALLY GIVE A DAMN. MY GOD IN HEAVEN I REALLY REALLY SINCERELY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. AND I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY FUCKED UP ONE ON THIS BOARD! WELL.....WELCOME TO MY WORLD YOU SORROWFUL SON OF A BITCH.
KELLY.
Winona
in USA
 Member
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 11:27 PM
Kelly, that sounds hauntingly familiar. You sound about like what you felt Maegan did to you so very many pages ago.

Suprise.
Kelly
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 | 11:40 PM
Goes to show U WE ALL have an MEAN STREAK in ALL OF US. Besides He asked, and I told him. He referrred to "KISSING GOD'S ASS" I TOOK THAT VERY, VERY OFFENSIVE. IT PISSED ME OFF, AND LIKE AN HUMAN BEING, AND WITH THAT GOOD OLE FREE WILL I TOLD HIM JUST WHERE I THOUGHT HE'D END UP. I HOWEVER PRAY HE GETS HELP BE-4 IT'S 2 LATE FOR HIM. WILL HE END UP THERE? PROB. NOT. BUT HEY I WAS PISSED. AND I DO HAVE THAT GOOD OLE FREE WILL. MY APOLIGIES TO YOU AND ANYONE ELSE WHO GOT UPSET WITH ME.
AND....WHEN YOU ARE IN A HELL OF A LOT OF PAIN, LIKE I AM NOW, FOR I CAN'T AFFORD MY MEDS UNTIL THE 3RD. OF OCTOBER! AND ALSO HEARING OF SOMEONE WHO MORE OR LESS HELPED MY MOTHER OUT WHEN DAD DIED OCT. 4TH, 1972, IS NOW DYING, IT BRINGS OUT THE "HATE" AND "WORDS OF HURT" OUT OF ME. CAN'T HELP IT, I'M ONLY HUMAN.
Now R U SURPRISED?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 03:27 PM
Kelly said:

"I DO BELIEVE there are FOLKS out there/Here that CAN do what Ms. Browne Does. HONEST GOOD FOLKS."

I completely disagree with you but I'll tell you what it would take to get me to believe it. If only one of these people would enter and win the <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/index.html">JREF $1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge</a>, then I would believe it.

Will you tell me what it would take for you to not believe it?
Carter S
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 05:48 PM
Cranky Al,

You mention that you do not believe there are people out there who can do some sort of paranormal, and I understand where your coming from. But the reason why a lot of people do believe,is the fact that they have experienced it first hand. Like if you see my example on page seven it will show you why I believe what I believe. Again, I am not saying that you should accept this as evidence. But all I know is that it happened to me and that was perfect evidence. It also happened to three hardcore ( seriously hardcore) non-believers in my family. And now they are believers. Before, I was pretty much on the fence, then it really made me think even harder about life and it's origins.
I know you guys don't believe in psychics, but what about all of that DOCUMENTED help that the police received from the psychic. There are many facts about real legitimate psychics who help police and actually do a damn good job. And no not Miss Cleo mon. These are good psychics. And to be psychic doesn't mean that you have to talk to the dead and hear the dead. Those are other gifts that some psychics claim to have. But when things happen it just seems to happen. I guess kind of like deja vu, but everyone experiences that in thier lifetime, more than once. I am not saying that deja vu is a psychic ability, but it is quite the phenomenon. But sometimes it can just be a fluke. Anyway Im tired so later.

CMG have you read my reponse because I am just going to assume that I have won that debate, and I know that you aren't the type who passes up on a comment. Unless it's Roxy. see ya.(page six, after your response to my first one, making it the second response I wrote). I am a little confused now.
Carter S
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 05:49 PM
Captain Al, Sorry man I didn't mean to call you cranky al. I am too damn tired.
My bad.
roxy
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 07:06 PM
Hi, Winona. My name is Roxy. foxy roxy. So your a member huh? good for you!
Anyway, I have obviously hurt captain kirks, cranky Egon guy, and cooters feelings.
The reason why they won't respond is because they can't think of any kind of comeback. And because they know how right I really am. I guess it could also be the first time they actually had any kind of contact with a girl. Besides Kelly, How are you Kelly?
Anyways I have something to say in this forum. I think that sylvia is fake and that I should take her job. Damn think of the money. ka ching!! Think of the Bling, Bling.
Seriously though, remember when captian kirk said "who am I to argue with someone named roxy? witty and a scholar too". Damn right i am witty and scholarly. But who am i to respond to someone named captian al. Seriously, if your name is Al and you have "captain" at the beginning of it, you have problems. His name gives away one thing about him. He's gay!! Yay!!!! think about it guys. What, is that your gay porn alias. ha ha ha ha. ewwwwww.
It would read something like this:
Captain Al starring in the video "Guys and Guys, minus the dolls", featuring Cranky Media Guy (Egon). OR "AL THE ANAL CLOGGER"
Seriously, you're sick captian al. Big gay Als' big gay boat ride with little animals.
Well my comment to you guys is that they would have to using the same energy waves the radio uses. You know they do have shit on tape. Real shit. No not your shit. EVP.
BYE BYE!!!!!!
Foxy Roxy The hotsy
Thea
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 09:35 PM
no i am not the person who was in here before i am tired of people asking me that i am not 14 years old ok i am 26 and i just want to say that if people want to believe in Sylvia then let them i fore one do not care if they die because they listened to someone without medical training than shame on them it's their falt not sylvia's although she needs to keep her thoughts to her self


also please do not make comments to this entry just think about if you do reply i will not see them because i am not going to be coming back here i just thought i would give yall something to think about

god bless those hit by Hurricane Katrina and by Hurricane Rita but mostly for those who were hit by both.
Thea
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 09:39 PM
one more thing i do not believe in sylvia but i do think there are psychics because in the bible there are psychics but that is the way i am thank you for all yall's time
Kelly
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 10:09 PM
Better to believe u r 14 than 44 or 54 or 74 etc; it'll m8 more sense as u get older. Capt. Al, I LOVE U! And Carter, and sometimes CMG. Who was it that brought up all this gay stuff? Not Nice, Man.
This forum is supposed to about MS. $YLIVA BROWNE. The utlimate FAKE. Yeah, Yeah, some have written in about some of our GRAMMER. and etc; And now it's turned a little towards the Psychi P.
SP? Area, WHICH I LOVE. You GUYS and GAL'S out there NEED to have an "OPEN MIND"! Listen to your DREAMS, get a good dream book, u Wouldn't believe all the stuff that HAS HAPPENED or WILL HAPPEN. in the Future or Past or Present. MEDITATE. There are SIGNS ALL AROUND YOU! All you need is an OPENNED MIND, AND A BRAIN helps a hell of a lot too.
I just got back from the Hospice where a good friend of ours is at. He looked so damn different, he has Hepititis, and Alztimers SP? Disease. They have given him 5 days to live. I was crying as i was leaving and begging his sister's to tell him it's OKAY TO LEAVE BILL, Not to let him linger in pain, not to be afraid of Death. I whispered in his ear, that all his miscarried babies, and his son he lost last year, and his burned up baby sister, and marvin would all be there at the gates of heaven waiting to help him cross over.
I have no men in my life to LOOK UP TOO anymore.
GOD BLESS YOU BILL, AND ALL MY LOVELY FATHERLY MEN, INCLUDING YOU DADDY. GOD BLESS AND HELP US ALL WHO ARE SO DAMN AFRAID OF "WHAT'S OUT THERE WHEN WE DIE".
Kelly.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 10:48 PM
Carter, apology accepted.

I've seen some of the "documented" help psychics give police. Let's start with Sylvia Browne's record first. On a television talk show, she took a call from the grandmother of a missing 6 year old girl. Ms Browne told the woman her granddaughter was still alive and had been sold into the white slave trade in Japan, in a city that does not exist. Three years later the girls body was discovered in the U.S. A Texas convict confessed to killing the girl. He was convicted. Thanks to Sylvia Browne the family had to go through the death of their little girl twice.

None of the glowing reports about psychic detectives stand up to critical analysis. The only ones who seem to praise them are the psychics themselves and a few delusional followers. In every instance, it was diligent police legwork that solved the case. Psychics only got in the way. Sometimes the police reluctantly accomodated the psychic out of respect for distraught families. But those stories don't sell papers as well as the ones about supernatural powers.

Here are some links to articles that tell the real story:

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/psychic-sleuthing.html
http://www.livescience.com/othernews/reason_medium_050204.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_n1_v20/ai_17849145
http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/psychicSleuths.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7295650
Carter S
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 11:27 PM
I think Roxy is calling me a female genitalia. Roxy, you are very sick minded.

I have encountered some actual EVP. It started out by me hearing a man and womans voice in my sisters room. I assumed it was my parents until I walked into the living room and saw them on the couch. So I walked into my sisters room to take a look, but nothing was there. So I just took it as me hearing things. Then later that night as I was going to bed, sure enough I heard the voices again. Boy was I creeped out. So I told my parents about it and they said to try to record it. It was definely worth the try.
I started the tape at around 10:20 until 1:20 since it was a three hour tape.
The next day I got back from my classes and my mom was standing there with the tape recorder smiling. She said "there's a voice"
We rewinded the tape and listened for about five minutes into the tape. (No one went near my sisters room during the taping, I made sure of that). We heard a womans voice say "megan" then in the back ground it sounded like a little girl saying "your welcome". Yeah it was a little weird going around her room for a while. My sisters heard the tape and will not sleep in there any more. (they're moved out so it doesn't really matter). I have a lot more.
I think thea has the right idea. If people are stupid enough to listen to her then they do have it coming. think of it as lesson learned. unless they die, but in that case, I guess it was time for them to go.
Like in my second entry on page six I mention that people are giving medical advice all the time. It's really not mal-practice. Yes, sylvia should keep her mouth shut. But, she is not breaking the law. Everyone knows she's not a doctor. She even has said on montel, "I am not a doctor but I would..." The person receiving this advice should be more responsible for their lives. Now if people claim to be a doctor and they're not and they are giving out med advice and giving presriptions then it would be considered mal-practice. Like I have mentioned on pg six, people are receiving med advice from family, friends, and even the tv.
Should the family member or friend go to jail? No. But it is their recommendation, and the person should have the say in it no one else. It's their responsibility.
Now, by saying that I am not saying that sylvia should keep giving advice, but she is not breaking the law. Besides, mostly all of the recommendations that have been offered to people by sylvia is something that the doctor would have to approve of before the patient gets the medication, or help. Like a prescription. But that's most of the time, not all.
It's getting late so, talk to you guys later.
Carter S
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 11:41 PM
Captain Al,

Thanks for the hook ups. I just got your entry after my last one.
Yeah I heard about that Sylvia Browne incident. It's really messed up. Well all of that is about 98% of the cases. But there have been cases where the police were actually led by the psychic. I think they had a special on 20/20 or dateline, I can't remember which one. But they had actual police and detective comfirmation about the leads. And they continue to use that psychic for future cases. But I will look at those for sure.

Alright man, sleep is good. later.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 | 12:20 AM
Carter S. said:

"CMG have you read my reponse because I am just going to assume that I have won that debate, and I know that you aren't the type who passes up on a comment."

Why don't you just give me the gist of it? I responded to what I thought you were referring to, but I guess it was the wrong thing.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 | 12:27 AM
Carter S. said:

"Like in my second entry on page six I mention that people are giving medical advice all the time. It's really not mal-practice. Yes, sylvia should keep her mouth shut. But, she is not breaking the law. Everyone knows she's not a doctor. She even has said on montel, "I am not a doctor but I would..." The person receiving this advice should be more responsible for their lives. Now if people claim to be a doctor and they're not and they are giving out med advice and giving presriptions then it would be considered mal-practice."

Well, I don't know if you're technically right about that. I don't know if the law says that you have to misrepresent yourself as having a medical degree to be in violation. Frankly, I'd love to see Sylvia go before a court about that issue.

She certainly pretends to diagnose people; she even charges a lot of money for phone consultations (which, as James Randi has proven, are the exact same for different people, which seems to me to constitute fraud). She also recommends certain drugs and vitamins. Whether that constitutes a criminal act, I don't know. I wish one of her victims...oops, clients, would sue her over this.

As for her "clients" deserving what they get, has it occurred to you that at least some of them are probably desperate people for whom medical science has no good answers? Don't you think it's immoral to take money under false pretenses from people who are frightened that they are going to die and who turn to you because you claim to be able to help them? I do. If there's a Hell, I think Sylvia has a special seat right next to the fire waiting for her.
Carter S
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 | 03:55 PM
Cranky Media Guy,

Ok, I have explained where to go many times already. Page SIX, My SECOND response.

I am technically right about it. But, it can get really difficult to sue someone and even prove them wrong in their doings. Anyway, all I am trying to say is, what she is doing is not against the law at all. Although I wish it would be against the law, Such as paying on the phone (or in person)and listening to it on TV. I agree about the desperate people and how they are being wronged. But usually the recommedations that sylvia gives would have to be "OKAYED" by the doctor before the patient actually does it, Such as giving out prescriptions and having a check up on the "problem" that sylvia addressed. The recommedations on vitamins and certain over the counter drugs is also not a crime. Like I said before, friends, family, co-workers,etc.. are giving out this advice all the time. Except not charging, but those clients are looking for advice and expecting it. They know what they're in for.
I do indeed think that it is immoral to take money under false pretenses. But again, people are usually asking for her advice and asking her what to do. She is simply giving them what they want. But in return they should have more sense and more responsibility in their own lives.
By telling people that your a doctor or anything like a doctor, but your not, and giving out this advice, is against the law. But if your not a doctor and you even say your not one, you can give out any kind of advice, which happens everyday by almost everybody. Yeah she is doing an immoral thing. But there is nothing stopping her from doing so. We can go back to the freedom of speech thing, but there is no law.
Also, I don't really think that she is trying to give out any bad med advice. Because if she does, she knows it will have an affect on her clientel.
People should realize that psychics aren't the answer. And it's sad how some people think it's the perfect answer.
I think that they should make a law where no one on TV or on the phone should be giving out med advice if they're not a doctor. That should be left to the professionals.
Yeah it is immoral to give desperate people med advice, but it is still their responsibility, no one elses.
They should probably tell people up front, on their reading, that No medical advice will be given. It should be forbidden!!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 | 04:37 PM
A quote from Joe Nickel's article, <a href="http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/psychicSleuths.htm">How Psychic Sleuths Waste Police Resources</a>.

"the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, a branch of the Department of Justice, states there is not a single documented instance of anyone finding a missing child through the use of psychic power. (Marder 1994.)"
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 | 12:19 AM
Carter S. said:

"I do indeed think that it is immoral to take money under false pretenses."

That's really the bottom line here. Sylvia may or may not be breaking the law techincally, but she is a scumbag for taking money from the desperate.

"But again, people are usually asking for her advice and asking her what to do. She is simply giving them what they want."

No, they THINK she's giving them what they want. See the difference? No one goes to her hoping that she will bullshit them; they go because TV shows like Montel Williams have built her up into something she isn't: a "psychic" who can diagnose illness.

Using your logic, I guess it would be OK if she gave sick people quack medicine. After all, according to you, she is only giving them what they want, right?

Not only is she a fraud, she doesn't even work very hard at it; she's been caught giving virtually identical "readings" to different people. She's a LAZY fraud.
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 | 07:33 PM
Cranky Media Guy Said:
"That's really the bottom line here. Sylvia may or may not be breaking the law techincally, but she is a scumbag for taking money from the desperate."
That's really all that I wanted to get clear here, was that it was not against the law.
I don't care how desparate someone is, how sick someone is, THEY are the ones responsible.

"Using your logic, I guess it would be OK if she gave sick people quack medicine. After all, according to you, she is only giving them what they want, right?"

Um nope buddy, my logic is not saying that giving quack medicine is OK. I never said it was "OK" to give out bad advice, but what I am saying is that the advice is going to be given to them sooner or later, by friends, family, co-workers. And YES it is bad that she is doing it, but again they need to be more responsible.
Has any of her advice killed anyone? Probably not. you know why? Doctors usually have to make that decision for their patients. So heres an example:
Client: Hi, sylvia, am I on track?
Sylvia: Yes, but you have diabetes don't you.
Client:Yes!, you need to take this .... and do this...
Client: Thank you!
Sylvia: $7,000,000 ughghgghghg
(Hang up)
Client: Hi doctor John
Doctor: Hello client
Client: Should I take this... and do this...
Doctor: Yes / No

Im sure it doesn't always happen like this, but if it doesn't it is THEIR responsibility. NO ONE ELSES. It is their duty to find out if it's right or not.
Yeah I know, some people believe so strongly in psychics that they don't even think to ask a doctor. You know what, that's no one elses problem but their own.
Sylvia has a responsbility to give her patients a good and correct reading. Which doesn't happen, obviously.
So now it's the clients responsibility to see to it that she's in fact right or not.
Maybe you should start a petition or something so Sylvia can't do this to anyone else. But until then, she will keep doing it, and people will keep listening.

Thanks again captain Al for those hook ups. I looked at them and found them quite revealing about what really goes on. But I still want to know why actual police and actual detectives gave an actual confirmation on their experiences with their psychic. Maybe, there is in fact proof that psychics helped in a case with amazing ability. That was a good quote. But do you think that maybe their hiding the fact that psychics help them. I think they say that because, if it got out that a psychic helped them, it would make them look really bad. And usually if something involves a psychic, people think 'oh they're nuts', 'they probably think they can fly too'. I know, that's what I use to think when psychics were mentioned. But until my experience, I can't help but wonder, and am more open to things.

CMG I am guessing that you have not read my second response. I really don't care anymore anyway. But I will assume one thing.

Peace guys.
Carter S
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 | 07:35 PM
RESPONSIBILITY
Roxy the Foxy schlotsky romanoski jenkins (foxy)
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 02:06 AM
Hey boys, so anyway, the thing about sylvia is that she is real and I can prove it.. but you don't want to hear it, and you won't respond to me. So oh well.

Also, I don't know how you can dismiss something without actually experiencing it. Because I guarantee that you guys will be disproved as well as Mr. james.
Roxy(foxy) Bonifa latifa harifa sharifa jackson
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 02:09 AM
Hey look!! I started a new page!!!!!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 10:32 AM
Carter,

No I don't think police are hiding the fact that psychics are helping them. The reason: there is no evidence for that. All the evidence says psychics are a hindrance. You are talking conspiracy theory here. That would mean ALL those police forces are keeping a dark secret with not one officer having the courage to speak up. I don't think so.

Yes they give confirmation of their following leads given by psychics but only because they have an obligation to investigate and document ALL tips received from the public especially in the case of a missing child. If the case remains unsolved they would face criticism if they didn't.

Those who really believe they have psychic powers probably feel they have a civic responsibility to report any "visions" they have on criminal investigation. I suppose they can be forgiven for wasting police time. It's the ones like Sylvia Browne, who know they are frauds, that really should be held accountable for obstructing justice. They throw out several vague "visions" hoping for one hit, however feable it might be, on a desparate chance for personal promotion. This selfish lack of compassion for the law and the families of missing persons makes them lower than whale shit in my books.
Kelly
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 02:51 PM
OKAY..... HAVE YOU ALL HEARD OF THE NEW SHOW
"MEDIUM"?! THE STORIES ARE TAKEN FROM AN REAL PSYCHIC!! THE STORIES ARE REAL!!!

NO OPEN MINDS HERE, DAMN SHAME!

KELLY.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 06:28 PM
Kelly,

Are they going to do an episode where a psychic predicts a Boxing Day tsunami that kills 250,000 people? Will they do one about a hurricane that destroys a major US city? Those are two of the biggests events of the past year yet no psychic anywhere predicted either one of them.

Get a grip. It's a TV show! That means it's FICTION.

If they did a TV show about REAL psychics, it would show them throwing out predictions like confetti hoping that one detail in several hundred would be close to something that really happens. Of course that wouldn't make for very entertaining TV, would it?
Carter S
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 07:13 PM
Captain Al,

Yeah, you do have a point. But what about those officers who actually get led to a dead body. That special on dateline/ or 20/20 showed the officer and his forces getting help from a psychic. Dramatized of course. But the police officer was at first skeptical and went ahead to use a psychic anyway. The psychic did her thing and the police officer put everything that she said in an envelope and tucked it away. Then everything started to come together. The police officer then called the psychic back and had her help through out the case. They were very skeptic at first, kept an open mind, then came up with thier own conclusions. Which they decided that some psychics are for real.

I think that there are a lot of fakes. More fakes than real. But I do indeed believe that there are psychics. I don't know what kind of energy they use or anything for that matter. But it is just hard to explain, especially the experience, that I stated earlier, that happened in the theater with my family. It was just weird. We don't think she is psychic either but it happened and we can't explain it. Can you?

Anyway, I just don't rule anything out anymore. Like I stated to Cranky Media Guy, "to keep an open mind doesn't mean to accept things that defy science, it means that you shouldn't dismiss them". Sometimes Science defies it's self in some cases. Like to dismiss extra terrestrial life is like saying that just because you don't see that tree behind a house it must not exist. But it could. I mean the universe is so big, I don't see how people can dismiss something like that so fast.

Anyway, I don't know why I went into all of that, but I do THINK that there are real psychics that do in fact help people and police. I know I have no real evidence to show anyone, but I do have my own experiences. And that's enough evidence for me.
Talk to you guys later
Kelly
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 10:55 PM
Capt. Al, IT AINT' FICTION!! I checked into this Woman whom Patricia Arquett Protrays. We've even had her on our local news. She is for Real! She is how I found out about the John Edward Royal Screw-up on DATELINE. So Capt. Dear U GET A GRIP!

For If U DON'T BELIEVE. Than HEll, I can only Pray for you. And feel badly, because you are MISSING OUT ON SO MUCH LOGIC, AND TRUTH, AND AWESOME STUFF OUT THERE IN OUR WORLD SUCH AS IT IS. THERE R NO COININDENCES. NEVER EVER, EVER.
Later,
Kelly.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 | 08:13 AM
Kelly,

Just because she was on the news doesn't mean she is for real. If she was as real as you claim, she should easily be able to win the JREF $1,000,000 prize. Is she willing to try?

Please, please do not waste prayers on me! If you are able to get prayers answered, please pray for world peace and no more deadly tsunamis. My problems are nothing compared to those kind of things.
Anna Reeves
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 | 11:00 AM
Sylvia Browne is a disgusting nail picking, nose fiddling old crow.
I am shocked Montel wastes time with her and this has lowered my opinion of him.

God, Sylvia is positvely VILE to look at and listen to. She is so clearly a fake and a fraud.

Also I always get the creey feeling she is a dirty woman who doesn't bath and just coats on more make up....can you imagine her filthy nails??? AND SHE ALWAYS IS CLEANING THOSE NAILS IN HER MOUTH...........EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.......................I HATE HER LIKE POISON.
Jordyn Riggs
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 | 05:25 PM
Anna,

I believe you are probably jealous of the fact that you can't grow nails out.

I am pretty sure that you are just as vile.

Anyway, my boyfriend and I were watching her and I could care less if she were real or fake. She is making people happy except for you guys. And if it is false then at least they will be happy, for a little bit.

Why do you guys care so much. You guys are wasting a lot of your time. And if you're not wasting your time, then you should probably get a life.

For the people who don't believe, why try to convince people that these things don't exist? If they say that they have experienced a psychic, then who knows maybe they have. These are there beliefs and you are trying to adjust it.

That's one of my pet peeves, is someone coming to my door and or one of my friends trying to change the way I think about religion. Irritating!!!

For the people who do believe, Don't waste your time on someone who is always questioning your beliefs. If they don't believe then they don't. They write to you like your some kind of a cretin.


Don't waste each others time. This stuff is not worth arguing about.

Arguments are the biggest waste of time. Although they feel good at times.

Well anyway, if someone disagrees with you, that doesn't mean you should be rude to them. Be nice. Life is better that way.
Carter S
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 | 06:06 PM
I agree with jordyn, Why do people get so mad over this shit. People pop boners over the dumbest shit.

I hope no one thinks that when I write Im mad, Im not. Read my entries as if I were talking to you in a matter of fact tone.
Kelly
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 | 11:36 PM
Poor Capt. Al.......
Did u ever "THINK" that maybe Ms. Browne DOESN'T NEED OR WANT the Million Bucks?? I got to thinking about this the other night; How would You like someone to MAKE YOU PROVE That you are HUMAN? Or a MALE? or Where Your Aunt Sisters come from? Or even the size of you Penis?? All for what? GREED? I DON'T BLAME HER FOR NOT TAKING THE STUPID TEST. And I feel SORRY for the one's who have taken the stupid test.
NOT TO COMPARE MS. BROWNE TO "CHRIST"!! Though HE HAD TO DIE TO PROVE TO ALL THAT HE WAS, AND IS THE SON OF GOD!! WHY DOES THIS DAMN COUNTRY ALWAYS WANT PROOF!? IN HORRIFIC ORDEALS I CAN UNDERSTAND, BUT IN GENERAL LIFE, LET ONE LIVE THEIR LIVES AS THEY WISH. IT'S THEIR "FREE WILL" REMEBER?.
KELLY.
PS. I'LL CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR YOU CAPT. AL.....THERE WILL NEVER BE "WORLD PEACE" AS LONG AS THERE IS "EVIL" WITHIN THIS WORLD. SO GIVE IT UP BUD! UNLESS YOU DIE, THEN YOU'LL HAVE WORLD PEACE AND TO SEE, FEEL, KNOW WHAT IT TRUELY IS LIKE. AND THE POOR? I'VE BEEN POOR ALL OF MY LIFE, IT MAKES YOU STRONGER, AND SEE REALLY SEE, FEEL, KNOW LIFE BETTER. MOST OF THE TIME LIFE SUCKS, BUT IF YOU T8 A BREATHER, AND MEDITATE YOU'LL SEE, FEEL, KNOW THINGS NOBODY ELSE IN THIS WORLD WILL. YOU GOTTA BELEIVE IN "SOMETHING" AL.
LATER,
KELLY.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 01:14 PM
Kelly,

If you will not pray for world peace because there is too much evil in this world, then at least pray for a stop to all the tsunamis and hurricanes. They are not the result of evil,they apparently are the work of a loving God so it should be a simple matter to stop, if there really is a God.

Sylvia Browne doesn't need $1,000,000? Then why does she continue to do over the phone readings for mere hundreds of dollars? Even if she didn't need the money, she could give it to charity and prove herself to the entire world at the same time.

Yes proof is needed for some things. Not to allow someone to believe what they want because everyone is already allowed to believe what they want. We require proof to keep frauds like Sylvia Browne from preying on the weak and vulnerable for their own personal gain. Please refer to my example where she deliberately lied to the family of the missing girl, on the previous page.

I'm sorry if your life sucks most of the time. Mine is great and I have not prayed a day in my life. I found out long ago that if you want to reach your goals, you have to go out and do something about it. Sitting around and praying accomplishes nothing. You're just fooling yourself. Look what it did for those poor God loving families in New Orleans.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 01:27 PM
Jordyn Riggs said:
"Don't waste each others time. This stuff is not worth arguing about."

This is the Museum of Hoaxes. We discuss hoaxes here. If you come here and say someone like Sylvia Browne might be real, without a shred of proof, then you have to expect to get slammed.

If you know something we don't, then please enlighten us. But I warn you, it takes a lot more than just believing. Something like psychic powers, if they exist, should be EASY to prove. Even if YOU don't think it's necessary, why not just prove it once and for all? We're anxious and waiting.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 01:39 PM
Jordyn Riggs said:
"Anyway, my boyfriend and I were watching her and I could care less if she were real or fake. She is making people happy except for you guys. And if it is false then at least they will be happy, for a little bit."

How happy do you think the family of that missing girl were after Sylvia Browne told then she was still alive, BUT had been sold into white slavery in Japan? Then how much happier do you think they were when her dead body was discovered in the US?

I don't care what you believe. What I do care about is getting that psychic swindler, Sylvia Browne, exposed. Anything I can do to let people know she is a fraud who should be in jail, is worth every minute I put into it. If that upsets you, too bad.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 02:32 PM
Kelly said:

"Capt. Al, IT AINT' FICTION!! I checked into this Woman whom Patricia Arquett Protrays. We've even had her on our local news. She is for Real! She is how I found out about the John Edward Royal Screw-up on DATELINE. So Capt. Dear U GET A GRIP!"

Kelly, being on the local news proves absolutely nothing. About a year ago, my local Fox affiliate (KPTV in Portland) had a story about a local woman who says she's a vampire! Yes, really. Am I to believe that vampires really exist simply because a bunch of hack "journalists" did a story about someone who claims to be one? Here's a shocker for you: a lot of what they put on TV, including local newe shows, is there to entertain and fill time. "Truth" has little to do with it.

"For If U DON'T BELIEVE. Than HEll, I can only Pray for you. And feel badly, because you are MISSING OUT ON SO MUCH LOGIC, AND TRUTH, AND AWESOME STUFF OUT THERE IN OUR WORLD SUCH AS IT IS. THERE R NO COININDENCES. NEVER EVER, EVER."

Oh, is it now an article of faith to believe in Sylvia Browne? Exactly what religion would THAT be?

You don't seem to understand the whole "burden of proof" thing. You may wish to look into that sometime.

I realize your comments were intended for Captain Al, but just in case, please don't pray for me, either. If you feel you need to help my soul reach Heaven, give some money to a homeless person in my name or something.
lindsay
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 04:13 PM
"If you feel you need to help my soul reach Heaven, give some money to a homeless person in my name or something."

hmm..and that would do good how? i mean in the whole heaven issue

wow u write in caps alot kelly kinda fun to read that way :lol:

thank you capt al. ppl should be praying for wats the hurricanes and such. although, its not as easy to stop as you said because weve all been blessed with free will and alot of the time our will is our doom.
and you have a point. you cant just sit on your butt and pray. i believe that you pray and you take action. but i no that you dont believe in God lol still id like to thank you because ive debated on forums with you in the past and youve always been very respectful and open minded usually. i apreaciate that.

kelly i may be misunderstanding you, and im sure i am. but youre not saying that we give up the fight on peace are you?

interesting forum...i may just want to get on this thing

ps. hehe ill pray for you guys!! cuz your worth Gods time just as much as the hurricanes. i hope u dont mind having someone pray for you, since you dont believe in God, i guess it doesnt really matter. it will be my time im using 😊

capt al i no that this is a little off topic and because it is you are free to just ignore the question, but do you still consider it a possibility that God exists? im just curious lol
jordyn
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 05:48 PM
Captain Al,

hmmmm?..... i don't recall ever saying that sylvia browne is real. but nice try bud.

what i was saying is that you people should not get so worked up about this stuff. it's really ridiculous.

wow captain al! i didn't realize i was being slammed. good one though. you sure think things through don't ya.

i don't know anything about sylvia. only her shows on montel. but i do have something that might enlighten you. here it comes!.. Get a Life!!

"Even if YOU don't think it's necessary, why not just prove it once and for all? We're anxious and waiting."

well your right i don't think its necessary to argue about something that may or may not exist. i mean imagine the things you could be doing. hmm.. i don't know, maybe get fresh air or something.
again im not trying to prove anything, and frankly i don't care if this sort of thing exists.

but my arguement to you is more about why people become so up-tight about these things. not worth it.

"What I do care about is getting that psychic swindler, Sylvia Browne, exposed. Anything I can do to let people know she is a fraud who should be in jail, is worth every minute I put into it. If that upsets you, too bad."

well, then why don't you stop with the internet forums and try to make it on tv, the news paper, start a rally against her, maybe hand out flyers. i can tell you this though, what you are doing now is not going to stop her. but good luck.

oh, and it doesn't upset me. so too bad.
lindsay
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 07:00 PM
people enjoy debating. its helps them think and consider things that they would never have considered. its helped me to mature in alot of ways. i think that they should continue there debate i mean no one should get angry or w/e but sitting down having a nice little conversation or debate is enlightening and enjoyable. sure maybe hell take it to the tv, but why not get built up for something like that on here. test all of his theories, get more ideas. blah blah blah. or maybe that doesnt matter. who cares, maybe its just fun for him.

anyway i just want to make the simple request that every one stay friendly to ppl. be respectful and understanding. im not saying that all of you arent but encountered alot of disrespectful, condescending, words on this site. i think it would be nice for everyone if ppl remained kind and patient.

😊 thanks!
lindsay
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 | 07:03 PM
oh yes and cranky id like to apologize for being kind of short tempered on the $1,000,000 forum. i never meant any disrespect or to be obnoxious though im sure i came off that way. ill try to be more patient and less of a brat. ^_^
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