The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Winona
in USA
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 | 11:08 PM
(popping out of topic lurk mode)

lol. I love it. Thanks for the laugh.
Hotenergy
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 09:57 AM
I must say that your statements regarding the Lifewave energy patches have been a source of entertainment for me over the past few weeks.

I suppose some of us don
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 12:40 PM
Hotenergy,

As a matter of fact, I do know how my cell phone works.

I've been involved in radio and electronics for over 25 years. I've built my own radios, built my own computer from individual chip components and wrote the software for it in machine language. For 10 years I was a test engineer for one of Hong Kong's biggest electronics firms. We were the world leader in the design and manufacture of cordless telephones. Our customers included AT&T, Sony, Sanyo, Toshiba, Alcatel and many others. We even did up a special unit for Bill Gates himself, who requested it.

Now a bunch of waver idiots are trying to tell me David Schmidt (with no technical training of any kind) can make a radio transmitter from glucose and glycerin that produces miraculous results on the human body. I say they are full of shit.

Maybe they did laugh at Thomas Edison and the Wright brothers but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown, and they are still laughing.
Bozo the Clown
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 04:55 PM
I'm laughing at you Captain AL. You're a real piece of work!! I thought you must be a computer geek!!

Why don't you try some patches??
h
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 05:03 PM
all i have to say is NCAA , FDA, & all of the rest of your talkie talk is just talk, THE PATCHES WORK & thats it
jwb671
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 05:21 PM
Isn't it funny how the patches seem to work better for the people making the most amount of money off them.

The more people they sign up the more excited they get and the more they put their increased energy down to the patches.

The truth is that GREED is the best energy enhancer in the world!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 05:40 PM
Typical. Whenever those wavers are challenged about the product they so strongly believe in, they have no other option but name calling and "Why don't you try some patches?" Good come back! You'll do well in this business.

How about telling us how they work? What, you don't know? I'll bet you do. You know they only contain salad dressing but people will buy them if you just tell them they are "nanotech" devices.

And where is Sgt. Slaughter? He's not scared of anything, except putting those glorious patches to a real scientific test. He dropped out of the JREF $1,000,000 Challenge quicker than Sylvia Browne and David Schmidt. Isn't there a single Lifewave distributor with any guts at all? Who wants to be a <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/index.html">millionaire</a>?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 05:52 PM
Here's another group discussing Lifewave patches. The comments by "Dr. Carl" are long but hilarious just the same.
<a href="http://davedraper.com/forum/printthread.php/Cat/0/Board/Product/main/82647/type/thread">Lifewave on davedraper.com</a>
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 07:08 PM
Anonymous Bozo the clown, h etc.

I'm glad you've discovered a miracle. Please be sure to buy a lot of boxes of patches. Stock up now so that you won't be caught short when the company goes down. $10,000 $20,000...peanuts to a person like you.

Spend spend spend, there's a good chap.

Is it all about incredibly greedy naive people or are they really that stupid?

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I'm game
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 08:05 PM
I am here to offer myself as a subject for lifewave patches.

If a distributor could send me a 1 month supply then I will pay them twice over when I order the 2nd month's supply.

any takers?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 | 08:41 PM
Lifewave uses a method similar to this to con their customers.
<a href="http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2002713250921.gif">How Dogbert perpetrates a hoax</a>
hcmomof4
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 03:30 AM
Captain Al wrote:

"I've been involved in radio and electronics for over 25 years. I've built
my own radios, built my own computer from individual chip components and
wrote the software for it in machine language. For 10 years I was a test
engineer for one of Hong Kong's biggest electronics firms. We were the
world leader in the design and manufacture of cordless telephones. Our
customers included AT&T, Sony, Sanyo, Toshiba, Alcatel and many others. We
even did up a special unit for Bill Gates himself, who requested it."

But it would be much more believable and hard-hitting if he had me proof read and edit it for him...


I've been involved in all aspects of radio and electronics for almost half a century. I've
built thousands of computers, including chip components, writing all my own software
in languages that I developed. For decades I was a test engineer for the biggest electronic
firm in the world's most technologically advanced city. We invented the cordless phone,
and designed and manufactured them for all of the major communication companies.
We even did up a special unit for a well-know computer guru, who requested it.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 04:08 AM
hotenergy said:

"I suppose some of us don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 09:10 AM
Here we are in late September 2005 and now on page 44 of this thread.

David Schmidt is to be congratulated. The money keeps rolling in and the discussions are as heated as ever.

The delaying tactics work beautifully David.

Nothing concrete to review but plenty of fluff studies to wave around under the noses of prospective converts.

I wonder how much longer this particular MLM scam will run? Anyone?

Is it all about a scam MLM, selling placebo patches, running its course?

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 09:45 AM
hcmomof4, so what's your point? My version of it is true.

I'm tired of these wavers who think everyone is as dumb as they are: "Do you know how your [insert name of high-tech device here] works?" Give me a break.

Do you honestly believe you can make a radio transmitter with salad dressing? Please tell me your technical expertise goes beyond "Then a miracle occurs".
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 09:56 AM
<a href="http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005203490922.gif">Dogbert's Hoax Part II</a>

(Substitute "Lifwave patch" for "time machine" and "David Schmidt" for Dogbert)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 10:24 AM
hcmomof4

Offers to proof and edit always look better if you don't also need a proof reader.

...for a well-know computer guru..

oops.

*
why?
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 10:29 AM
Why do you always have the same TIRED answers "" LAUNDRY CD & ETC. "" who cares ?? old news, The Patch works its FDA, & BLAH, BLAH & we are NOT gonna Stop marketing it & getting New Reps on board. AND, in the History of the NFL & NCAA only 2 products have been accepted & NOW Lifewave is one of them, these Health & Science people KNOW alot more than the 3 or 4 people who comment here with NEGATIVE feedback !
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 11:36 AM
"in the History of the NFL & NCAA only 2 products have been accepted & NOW Lifewave is one of them"

What was the other one? Steroids?

The NCAA has not accepted Lifewave. They only determined that nothing in them is a banned substance and nothing in them enters the body so athletes would not be penalized for using them. And why should they? Since they don't do anything, there's no reason to care. So Lifewave now enjoys the same status as Gatorade and rubber cleats on football shoes.

"these Health & Science people KNOW alot more than the 3 or 4 people who comment here with NEGATIVE feedback"

Excuse me. Which Health & Science people? Please elaborate.


"we are NOT gonna Stop marketing it & getting New Reps on board"

And we are not going to stop saying they're a scam. As long as potential Lifewave customers have the initiative to check things out before they buy, they'll find this site telling them that.
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 12:01 PM
Captain Al,

I get a good chuckle out of your comments. You must live inside a little bubble world and nothing exists outside of your bubble. Can I call you bubble boy now?

You say that acupuncture, chiropractors, and naturopaths are all scams and now you claim that rubber cleats and gatorade don't make a difference in a football players performance??

Wow - You are a true skeptic!! Just accept that Lifewave will continue to grow and become more and more accepted in our society just as chiropractors and naturopaths have. People like you will never accept Lifewave and we don't need to convince people like you.

Have you ever played a sport inside of your bubble besides John Madden football on your X-Box.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 02:23 PM
Nanoman,

Please let me rephrase my response to make my intent clearer. Gatorade and rubber cleats are useful but Lifewave patches are not. All the patches have in common with Gatorade and rubber cleats is using them is not considered cheating since Lifewave patches don't do a damn thing.

Since when does something being accepted in society constitute validity? Astrology has been around a lot longer than chiropractic and naturopath. It is practiced and believed in by tens of millions of people. If you think that makes it real, perhaps your next business venture should be selling authentic UFO videos on another MLM.

You say you don't need to convince me? Then why do you and all your patch pusher buddies keep posting here? Do I detect a little insecurity or are we cutting into your sales?

Actually I'll tell you what it will take to convince me. All you have to do is use Lifewave patches to win the <a href="http://www.randi.org/research/index.html">JREF $1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge</a>. Alternatively, you could win it with a demonstation of acupuncture, chiropractic or naturopathy. Take your pick. They all work, right?

I have already accepted the fact that Lifewave will continue to grow. It will grow until the FTC starts acting on fraud complaints and your customers start demanding refunds. Have you got your alternate identity ready?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 02:41 PM
why? said:

"Why do you always have the same TIRED answers "" LAUNDRY CD & ETC. "

Maybe he keeps bringing the laundry balls up because the story behind them is virtually identical to the LifeWave scam. Ever heard the expression "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"?

LifeWave is the same old manure in a new package. You True Believers just haven't smelled what you've stepped in yet.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 07:33 PM
Let's get to the bottom of the NCAA "endorsement"

I emailed the NCAA and give below their reply:

Here is the NCAA official position on the LifeWave Energy Patch:

"The NCAA has determined that the product advertised as a hot/cold patch
by the LifeWave Patch manufacturer may be used for the purpose of
treating an injury or illness. Institutional use must be consistent
with the use of other hot/cold patch products, under the direction of
the sports medicine staff, and may not be provided to student-athletes
for practice and/or competition absent a legitimate medical condition.
Other products promoted by this manufacturer as training aids are
impermissible for NCAA institutions to provide student-athletes."

Please contact us again if you have further questions.



So, there you have it.

"Other products promoted by this manufacturer as training aids are impermissible for NCAA institutions to provide student-athletes."

That's impermissible as in you can't use them, not allowed to use them, illegal to use them.

Does it get much clearer? Anybody?

This is not the endorsement for the energy patch that LifeWave promoters want you to believe. The NCAA clearly states that apart from the hot/cold patch (which of course is just the way they listed it with the FDA) no other patch can be used.

Get your facts straight guys. It's too easy to catch you out in your efforts to "massage" the truth.

For any people thinking of buying this scam product, feel free to contact people like the NCAA so that you can verify that I haven't just made up the response. Feel free to contact other people or organisations mentioned in the LifeWave book of fake endorsements.

That's how I learned about Morehouse College and the Olympic Weightlifting Team. People are only too pleased to reply to your emails.

Is it all about a scam MLM company who will do and say anything in order to sell worthless placebo patches to as many people as possible before they are found out by people who can actually close them down?

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NCAA Info
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 | 10:32 PM
Hi Everyone,

Just thought I would help clarify what is being called the NCAA "endorsement". I will state right off the bat that I am a LifeWave distributor and user. I respect everyones opinion and I don't want to get dragged into this wonderfully energetic debate. I just wanted to clarify what EDHUK stated. The statement he provided is exactly what LifeWave has given its distributors, (some believe this is an "endorsement" and start making their own claims) but the NCAA doesn't say it is illegal for the athletes to used the energy patches. The NCAA says it doesn't allow the institutions (colleges, universities, etc.) to provide the patches for the athletes use. The athletes are welcome to purchase the products for themselves.

Just recently, there has been a "hot/cold" patch that the NCAA has approved for the institutions to purchase and provide for their athletes so they can care for injury and illness. (helps to reduce heat in the body at certain points, mainly for injury use) This will be a new product coming out shortly.

EDHUK, in the statement that you posted, 2 products are mentioned. One of them, (hot/cold patch) institutions may provide to the athletes, and the other (energy patch/training aid patch) may not be provided by the institution but is not "illegal" to use.

I hope this clarifies a bit of the information. EDHUK, you are welcome to reconfirm this information, I don't expect you to just automatically take my word for it since you don't know me from Adam, and I am a LifeWave distributor. Thanks everyone.
why
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 12:27 AM
your right NCAA info :: all i said was it was accepted NOT endorsed
hcmomof4
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 03:33 AM
Captain Al-
My point was you provided considerably more detail than the friendly folks from LifeWave do. It may be confusing to them.

EDHUK-
You're quite right, oops. In my own defense, if I may, it was a case of laziness, because when I "preview", it causes the word I see below that must be submitted (I'm sure there's a shorter way to say that...) to reset, and then if I'm not careful I manage to lose what I've typed. And my keyboard can only take being thrown against the wall so many times...

I think overall I was misunderstood however. I was merely trying to point out the difference between credibility (What Captain Al said) and vague statements (My "editted" version, and a lot of what gets posted by LifeWavers).
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 07:06 AM
BEFORE

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 | 02:21 PM
So what do you chump's think about all of the Schools signing up ??? Please do not give me that washed up info you usually do, Just answer: NCAA & high schools jumping on board, i signed up 3 schools this weekend, Now you can still wine & complain BUT, we move on. Lifewave FULL steam ahead, & you can do NOTHING about it, SO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

h

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 | 06:02 PM
hi, well the NCAA has given the ""OK"" for Lifewave, what do you Dummy's think now, they have only done that twice in history, "" I REST MY CASE ""

LifeWave has received clearance from the NCAA to be used in collegiate sports. We are excited to announce that we have now received clearance from the Georgia High School Association, as well, for high schools in the State of Georgia. Georgia is the first state in the country to be approached and they immediately saw LifeWave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 09:45 AM
hcmomof4,

I see I did misinterpet your comments. Sorry abut that. Now I understand what you were getting at. You are absolutely right of course. Wavers are totally into exaggerations and non-specifics since they have nothing to base their beliefs on except the words of their beloved leader and his hired-gun "scientific experts".

Everyday, I can just see another potential Lifewave customer who is curious enough to do some research before buying. They search the web, see this site and see one of the skeptics pose a real question or argument against Lifewave's claims. Then they eagerly await the slam dunk direct answer that will remove all doubt in their minds. What do they actually get though? Insults, name calling, condescending remarks and the famous lines:

"I don't know how they work. They just do."
"Why don't you try them?"
"You don't know or care how your cell phone works do you?"

That must instill real confidence to the buyer. I saw a comment on the Bad Astronomy blog by Rene, who was commenting on the stupidity of Intelligent Design. The last line applies equally well here:

"...they use well-versed and rehearsed sound bites that lodge into the noncritical brain"
Still digging
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 03:54 PM
Oh no!!!! I'm sure that Lifewave is over as of today just because they had a spelling error and are doing maintenance on the site.

WWSN you really are digging deep now.

Lifewave lives on!! Its almost been a year and no end in sight.
The Man
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 07:42 PM
Hey , just Brought 2 New school's on board TODAY as Lifewave DIST.( HIGH SCHOOLS ) its really taking off & i cannot wait too LAUGH OUT LOUD at you people ! LIFEWAVE HATERS don't scare me. hey Bob i hear Warrant or Trixter needs a NEW guitar player.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 | 09:47 PM
Hey, Man. What exactly does it mean when you bring a high school "on board"? Did you reach an agreement with the school principle? or the PTA? Or maybe you hang out in school yards and make a pitch to the players on the football team?

Would you care to back up your claims by telling us the names of these schools? It would be interesting to find out if the schools know about this.

P.S. Your CAPS LOCK key seems to be stuck.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 07:49 AM
LifeWave Speak:

Hey , just Brought 2 New school's on board TODAY...

Possible translations:

"I was talking to a schoolteacher friend of mine the other day. He's the kind of guy who stands on really powerful magnets to cleanse his "aura". Anyway, I gave him the spiel about the patches and offered him some free samples. He sounds very interested."

"A buddy of mine has a kid in the baseball team at school. His kid's doing ok but his dad is looking for anything out there that will give his kid an advantage over the other kids. He never likes playing fair in anything. Anyway, I gave him the spiel and he jumped at the chance of getting one over on the other kids. He's going to buy a couple of boxes."

Is it all about the blind leading the blind?

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Coops
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 09:09 AM
Hey !! I just worked it out! Mr Skidmore is the ellusive David Schmidt because on page 12 Mr Skidmore said:

Apply your scientific method, buy some patches yourself, set up your own self controlled double blind, placaebo controlled study using children, small animals, large animals, derilicts off the street, sports teams, Olympic wrestlers, whatever. Once you have complete proven that the patches do not work having tested 30,000 individuals yourself, then come back and argue again. I love it!

Now go do the math on 30,000 hmmmmm... I see why he loves it

Coops
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 09:12 AM
Congrats Bob,

Keep up the good work!! 😊

Let me know if you need some more encouragement along the way.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 09:35 AM
Thanks Nanoman.

You always put a smile on my face.

Do they allow you to have sharp objects in there?

Keep up your good delusion.

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Coops
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 09:51 AM
Ok!! I have read all 45 pages here and have certainly been entertained. I must tell you though that I had to really Google down a good number of pages before I found this objective forum. It
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 10:39 AM
Coops

Having read all pages in this forum, I'm a little surprised to read that you are considering using the patch on a "try" it and see basis.

I think the point has been made many times over that even if you felt great you could not asign the effect to the patch. Neither could you blame the patch if you began to vomit and your legs fell off.

This funadamental point has always been the sticking point.

LifeWavers will say "Try the patch" "How can you say it doesn't work if you haven't tried it?" "What are you afraid of?" etc.

You can feel euphoria if you want to. Groups of kids experimenting with alcohol can be euphoric, even if only a few of them are actually drinking alcohol.

Having read this forum you have also seen others who wanted to try out the patches on their "unsuspecting" friends. Some people have made outrageous claims based on animal "trials".

The common theme, I think you will have noticed, is that LifeWavers steadfastly stick to the script because they have a vested interest in the company, (and thereby themselves) doing well financially.

The rest of us are written off as some kind of weirdo; part of a huge conspiracy to drag down the well meaning and amazingly inventive Mr. Schmidt.

I humbly suggest that those who do their own background research before wasting 1 cent of their money will be well satisfied.

For those who prefer to just try things out and if they think it works it must work, then good luck to you. You have the freedom to choose.

Why do people like me post here? I have no earthly idea.

I suppose I just get incensed when I see so many people being taken for a fake hi-tech ride.

Enjoy.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 12:31 PM
Thinking about magnetic fields in the body etc.

From David Gessell, a design engineer from Oakland, California:

Magnetic fields are not blocked by concrete (unless it is steel-reinforced). Any place a compass works, the earth's magnetic fields are present.
Blood is not magnetic. If it were, one's body would explode in an MRI machine.
DC magnetic fields have no known effect at (all)on the human body at levels strong enough to bend steel bars as commonly experienced by magnet and fusion researchers. These individuals are exposed to magnetic field strengths 6 to 10 orders of magnitude greater than that created by the rubberized magnetic insoles, without becoming either more or less healthful.


Of course, Mr. Gessell was writing about a particular product but I must say that the image of the body exploding in the MRI is pretty vivid.


Patches to change your magnetic fields anyone?

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 01:18 PM
More about magnetic compasses: On a boat it is common practice to have the compass "swung". This procedure checks and records the amount of error caused by any metal on board. This error is called "deviation". The engine, anchors or even metal fittings used to hold the vessel together can all contribute to magnetic deviation.

If the owner buys a second anchor they may consider having this procedure done again. This will check for any changes to the boat's magnetic deviation caused by the additional metal. Curiously, when the crew change positions on the boat or the helmsman moves from one side of the wheel to the other, the magnetic deviation of the compass directly in front of the wheel is not altered.

Also, a hand-held compass is used by boaters to triangulate their position on the water and by hikers to determine their direction of travel in the wilderness. No compensation for deviation is necessary when doing this.

How can this be?

We are told by Lifewave, and alternative medical practitioners, the human body has its own magnetic field. Logic dictates it should have a significant effect on a compass.

Would any Lifewavers care to explain this?
Coops
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 01:51 PM
If these patch are "non-transdermal" then why put them on your skin in the first place if nothing is going to be absorbed by the skin? Maybe I don't understand what "transdermal" really means. I could look it up on their WEB site but......

I refer to the this Web site which warns:
http://p2.hostingprod.com/@worldwidescam.com/lwcult.htm
Loading the Language: Words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or phrase

So how would we really know. Maybe Lifewavers could inform us.

PS: What does "Have an open mind" mean?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 03:22 PM
Coops

Allow me.

LifeWave speak: "Open mind"

Translation: "Think like us"

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Dave W
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 03:49 PM
Hi all.

David W from Canada here. I tried the patches after getting them from a friend. I tried them on 5 various locations on the various parts recommended. 3 times were at the gym, and two times were while playing rec ice hockey

They did absolutely NOTHING for me. This same friend tried to sell me an "account" with the company. He claimed I could make $$$ once the product starts selling in high volumes. I asked him how he is doing. He has 100 people under him , and is currently not makign any money, yet says he will be retired in "a years time" Its a joke, he doesnt even know how the product works, he just TELLS people it does, and tells them to "buy a trial" Oddly enough, the people try them, and I have heard too many stories now of "I think it might work, but im not sure, would you like to buy a "leg" under me?!? More sales pitches from people who know nothing of it, but want to "get rich quick" or at least get their money back

There were 3 of us who tried the 5 sample patches and no one experienced any positive results from them.

IT was just recently that we did this, and so I have come online to see what Lifewave as all about. After reading how it's supposed to work, I now fully believe its a scam, and the only reason we HEAR about it is because of the HYPE, and sales pitches from those hoping to get rich off its MLM scheme.

Im sure some of you can relate to this though. It's just a case of Hype and marketing. The creators are getting rich off of selling trials and patches, and once it dies down, they'll be off to the bank, and the sellers will be left promoting their "magnetic energy patches" that do absolutely nothing.

So after reading some posts, I recommend you naysayers get someone to send you a trial. They wont work, and when they dont, the person who sold them to you will tell you to try placing them in other places, etc. and give you excuses :s
Dave W
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 03:53 PM
By the way, one more thing.

After reading this thread, Ive noticed that all the "pro-lifewavers" sound EXACTLY like my friend who is selling the product, it's almsot funny because there are a few lines that are WORD FOR WORD exactly what he says when defending his "holy grail to getting rich"

Somehow these folks have CONVINCED themselves its a legit product and fully works. Id love to know how many that claim it works know fully and understand how it works and how crazy it sounds to anyone who spends a short time reading about what the company claims. Im thinkign that they use the heavy terminology and medical description to fool less informed people into thinking "if it sounds good, it is good, and if I cant understand it, its because its so advanced I shouldnt be able too"
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 04:52 PM
Dave W

Somehow these folks have CONVINCED themselves its a legit product and fully works.

It's interesting you saying that. I have posted before that I think there are two groups of LifeWavers.

Group A: They have tried the patches and believe they had some kind of result. They are excited at the prospect of sharing their good fortune with their friends and colleagues and make some money in the process.

Group B: These folks know it's a scam but can see that there are enough group A people around to make some money until the whole thing comes crashing down. These folks target schoolchildren etc.

In other words, as has been pointed out by WWSN1 and others, the typical cycle of the MLM scam.

God Bless America, Land of the Free...

and scamsters like Schmidt.

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Dave W
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 09:04 PM
Interesting.

I also find this interesting. When you make a claim that it's fake, they take offense, like your taking a personal stab at them.

It's not that its insulting the person, I mean its their life, and they can invest their money wherever. I mean we post threads and msgs to try and help and inform people, yet they feel they need to defend themselves.

I dealt with Quixtar people before, and it's a similar routine, people who have "invested" time and money into somethign like this seek justifying their expense, and are VERY stubborn trying to admit they may be wrong.

In my opinion, these are a certain type of people who are "grasping" to get rich quick and just cant admit to themselves that it's not as easy as getting into a pyramid of people and selling crap, so they grasp onto that hope, and convince themselves and others that this may be the one ticket to financial success.

To date, ive never met anyone who made a living off an MLM scheme.

NOrmally I dont care, but you cant imagine how cocky and arrogant my friend is when promoting this product. He honestly thinks he is going to be rich and have NO worries whatsoever. Meanwhile, he has convinced good friends of mine into spending their money, and I hate to see the results when they realised they dumped in 100$ or so into a scheme so a few top members can get rich.

Why are these lifewave people so adament andbelieving in their product?!?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 | 10:15 PM
Dave W

Why are these lifewave people so adament and believing in their product?!?

Get's to the heart of the "LifeWave" personality. For LifeWave, substitute any other MLM get rich quick scheme.

Some people are too bored waiting for the good life to come via hard work. Much more pleasant to sip drinks with umbrellas while the internet does it's thing and the orders keep coming in. Isn't autoship great!

Doesn't really matter who get's hurt, both financially and psychologically, in the process. "Who knew it was a scam?" "I thought it was genuine". "Try for a refund from the company, I'm just a distributor".

But of course that's not really true. As a distributor, LifeWaver's act as though they were the company. They have to stand behind all the claims and hoopla.

You can be certain of one thing. Their friend David Schmidt will definitely stand behind the distributors...far, far behind!

Is it all about greed?

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 10:29 AM
Dave W,

Interesting observations. As you have seen, a Lifewaver's only response when challenged is to shout insults and apply peer pressure in an attempt to get you to hand over money. At least in your case, they can't give you the old :"Why don't you try the patches?".

So your friend has signed up 100 people and is not yet making any money? That's really interesting, especially if they told him he must wait until the "product starts sellling in large volumes". According to what we've heard here, that's already happenning. Is that the same story for everyone? How about it Wavers, have any of you got any money yet or just promises from head office?

Common sense tells me there's no way Lifewave would ever allow anyone to make large sums of money from them. Normal business practice would be to sell them through retail stores. That would eliminate at least 100 middlemen. If MLM distributors can make enough to "retire in a year", who would put in much effort after that? How could David Schmidt expect to motivate his distributors if they are all lying on the beach in Tahiti?
Dave W
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 12:38 PM
He himself hasnt signed up 100 people, he has signed on 12+, but the people under him have signed up 100 total.

But, he mentioned some "other side" of his system needs to sell the product.

AND NOW I see in his latest email they are holding a "international conference" in Calgary Alberta to sign up more pawns.

Sounds like a bunch of crap to me honestly. Right now it's all in its hype phase, but theres one thing that isnt happening. Sales. At least not any ANY sort of volume. theres how many people in his chain, but none seem to be buying or selling patches consistantly. They likely realised its a waste of 70$ or whatever a box!!!

I feel sorry for those who DO pay 70$ for the placebo effect though. Im sure there will be naysayers, but judging from the fact that my friend has 100 people under him, and isnt makign any money yet, thats a good sign it will all fade out once they cant hype people who have tried it with null/placebo results!!!
Coops
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 12:58 PM
I'm still waiting to find out what "transdermal" means so I can understand what "non-transdermal" means.

Any suggestions? Anyone?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 02:40 PM
Coops

Transdermal means something passes from the patch into the skin and is absorbed. Just like, for example, birth control patches or smoking cessation patches.

Non-transdermal means that nothing enters the skin from the patch.

David Schmidt had to "invent" a patch where nothing entered the skin. If a substance were to enter the skin he would have to get real approval from the FDA BEFORE he could sell the product. This way he just paid his $75 patent pending fee and listed in the band aid group. Later he listed as a hot/cold patch.

LifeWave proudly posts the PDF file of the report from the testing company done in 2004. This report "proves" the patch is non-transdermal.

Interestingly, the company had to know what is in the patches in order to choose the correct substance to react with the patch contents for their testing process.

LifeWave duly told them the brown patch contains GLUCOSE and the white patch contains GLYCEROL.

The study was done on the basis that the information given was truthful. If the information given was not accurate then the study is null and void.

So, there you have it. LifeWave has not hidden the contents of the patches. Glucose and glycerol. Well worth the $100 or so per month.

Is it all about glucose and glycerin patches at outrageous prices?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 02:57 PM
Further light about non-transdermal:

This website is worth a look.

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/products/lifewave-energy-patches.html

The website owner has done a poor job of giving out the party line.

What does non-transdermal mean, as it relates to the patches? Non-transdermal means NOTHING enters your body. Imagine, you wear 2 patches on your skin...which transmit NOTHING into your system. Imagine, you swallow or ingest NOTHING.



Oops! "...you wear 2 patches on your skin...which transmit NOTHING into your system."


I thought they were supposed to transmit the message "burn fat."

I wonder what language that's in? LifeWave speak?

Of course, maybe this is a fake website. Yes. that must be it. No-one in their right mind could possibly talk about patches you stick on yourself and energy from nothing etc. or could they?

Is it about left cerebellum mammals of the Homo sapiens persuation selling sticky patches that do nothing?

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DaveW
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 09:21 PM
OH wow gentleman, I had a hilarious time tonight.

Reading a "forward" I caught on to a "Lifewave group discussion", it's posted over on something called "wavelengths"

First off, they have a Dr. there who is pushing crap onto people, turns out he is some chiropractor, yet they all refer to him as Dr. ****. I'll keep that private just not to get anybody excited.

You gotta hear the anticipation, the hype, the absolute crap from these people. It honestly sounds like a cult. I had such a good laugh over it, constant promises of business picking up VERY soon, and LOTS and LOTS of money will be made.

They have automated messages/videos/ all sorts of stuff that is nothing but constant hype.

MY favourite part. The "Dr." goes on to say "so who is all excited about meeting the future nobel prise winning creator David Schmidt"
Going on to hype him for a few minutes, claiming all these thigns he has done and created" The word genius being used to much.

Anyhow, IVe had my laugh, and im pretty much done with this discussion, I just thought I would share. Chances are in another few months it will all be long and forgotten.

Carry on the good fight !
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 10:27 AM
Still waiting for my answer.............

Does anyone know where and when David Schmidt, the "scientist," had his EUREKA! moment. That moment burned into his memory when he figured out how to make his amazing patches. He would remember wouldn't he?

When you read about ANY scientific discovery, the people involved know exactly where they were and what they were doing when that magical moment occurred. Much like people still remembering where they were and what they were doing when Kennedy was shot or the twin towers were hit on 9/11.

Anybody?

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 11:03 AM
David Schmidt's EUREKA! moment?

I bet he was in a lounge having a drink with his buddies. The conversation went silent for a few seconds. Suddenly Dave let out a little laugh.

His friends said, "What? What?"

Dave replied, "I think I'll get that guy with the patch factory to fill some with glucose and glycerin for me. Then I'll tell everyone that they are..."

You know the rest.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 02:27 PM
"What David Schmidt, the inventor of LifeWave patches, has essentially done is to use the electronic and magnetic features of the body like a cellular radio to transmit very weak bioelectric signals from his patches into the body to enhance the production of energy."

Too weak to be detected by earthly testing devices?

I think not. If we can receive signals from light years away in space, I guess even humble earthbound equipment could detect a signal from a patch.

Anybody?

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Somebody
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 02:52 PM
Yes they can be measured with the spectravision and infrared thermal imaging.

They can also be tested using a number of BMR testing equipment.

Equipment that measures sleep patterns and brain wave activity reveal a change in "brain wave" activity when the sleep patches are applied.

Heart rate variability has also been shown to change when the patches are applied. This was measured using a BIOPAC system that uses ECG readings.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 03:36 PM
Anonymous Somebody

Thank you, but we've all seen the hype.

My question was concerning the signals being sent out FROM the patches. They can be demonstrated can't they?

Changes in the human body, temperature, heart rate, etc. have been routinely demonstrated without using any kind of drug or patch.

We've all seen the monks who increase their body temperature by thought alone. Amazing stuff.
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

I'm specifically interested in the "signal" coming from the patch. The patch can be tested independantly of it's intended purpose.

Has anyone done that?

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Dave W
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 | 06:33 PM
Yah, my blood pressure also goes up the minute the doctor hooks me up to the machine. Look at a polygraph, with the proper sensetivity settings, it can detect the SMALLEST movement/change in chemistry. Doesnt mean factors are at play, just means that minute changes in the body can change and be reflected and interpreted into big numbers.

Anyhow, off to bed so I can go to my REAL job (not fun) and make some guaranteed money, as opposed to dreaming that the spectravision will finance me for the rest of my life. Somebody, if your so confident, why not post your full email and your Lifewave account 😊
kit1133
Member
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 05:47 AM
hi people,I have justreturned to the uk from over the pond and whilst there,I was given a free months supply from a friend who swears by them.I started using them yesterday and have done two gym sesions.I have not noticed any improvement so far.I have noticed I can feel my heartbeats are louder.this is a usually infrequent event(couple of times a wek at rest with no increase in heart rate)but appears to be continuous with the patches on.I have not been able to run further or train longer.I will continue untill the supply is exhausted but suspect it is simply flimflam. tata
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 | 05:10 PM
For those who looked at this website.

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

This part caught my eye:

To put that decrease in perspective, metabolism, or oxygen consumption, drops only 10-15 percent in sleep and about 17 percent during simple meditation.

Didn't David Schmidt invent his sleep patch on the premise that extra oxygen was required by the brain when you sleep?

From LifeWave's website:

We believe the patches work by increasing Oxygen uptake in the body. It is well known fact that elevated levels of Oxygen promote a restful nights sleep.


If oxygen demand actually drops when we sleep, why do you need a patch to increase supply?

I suppose Mr. Schmidt, in addition to rewriting science as we know it, has also worked out how to change the human body into one that requires more, not less, oxygen when we sleep and just by chance he has a patch that will help you with that.

Comical is a word that doesn't quite cover it!

I think David Schmidt figured something out a long time ago.

If people are dumb enough to believe his sales pitch, they deserve to be taken to the cleaners.

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