The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 11:19 AM
Aina in Norway.

Thanks for this link:

http://www.life-wave-patches.com/Contact.html

It is illegal to advertise this SCAM in Australia.

We can now forward this idiots website to allow the process of prosecution to begin.

Thank you.

ps Check out this Australian claiming that the patches can alleviate MS!

http://www.lifewavehome.com/Multiple-Sclerosis.html


TGA:

http://scepticsbook.com/2009/08/01/lifewave-website-gets-a-smackdown-from-the-tga-for-misleading-advertising/
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 11:25 AM
jayessell,

The "thinking" LifeWaver, now there's an oxymoron, realized long ago that LifeWave stated that the patches are activated by body heat and "wear out" therefore needing replacement.

BUT, they also state that the patches work through clothing, even when placed on your shoes. Therefore, you only have to buy one set of patches and use them over and over again, just not directly on your body.

Elegant, right?
WWSN
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 11:42 AM
HIHIHIHIHI Mr. HOHOHOHOHOHO!

You are a hoot! You're the Jerry Lewis of science and intellect!

You tell us that science, facts, studies and tests do not matter - and then you say:

<b>How then believe your explanation of the clinical trials of so-called
"crooks" of LIFEWAVE?
There are evident in clinical trials LIFEWAVE as 300% of glutathione, to
name a suit.
And despite this clinical scientist, you deny the reality of this test
!!!??</b>

Any testing or studies that Lifewave does is always done by Lifewave affiliates such as Haltiwanger, his wife or Nazeran or by research vanity labs, companies that do unprofessional, substandard, and structured tests designed to give Lifewave the results they are after. And they often involve strange unorthodox Russian gizmos built by mad scientists in the basement of some New Age quack.

<b><a href="http://www.worldwidescam.info/lwresearch2.htm" target="_blank">A Review of the Lifewave Research Database</a></b>

If Lifewave could really increase glutathione levels by 300% with a nontransdermal patch, it would be headlines on the national news and Dr. Schmidt would be awarded a Nobel Prize in medicine, chemistry and physics. And I would join Lifewave as an affiliate and shut down my LifewaveScam.com web site at once.

And Suzanne Somers would be pretty again.

And Dr. Steve Haltiwanger would lose 200 pounds.

None of this is going to happen because Lifewave patches are worthless placebos. There is not one true doctor, scientist, or research lab in the world willing or able to verify anything that Dr. Schmidt says or claims.

Why wouldn't Dr. Schmidt seek out just ONE recognized and respected scientist to verify his claims? This discussion and debate would be over tomorrow and Schmidt would be a wealthy man and Lifewave would be the most successful company on the planet. Pharmaceutical and nutritional companies would offer Dr. Schmidt BILLIONS of dollars for the rights to market his silly patches. If they really worked...

But it's nothing more than an MLM confidence scheme and front-loading network marketing scam.

And the nefarious Dr. Schmidt is going "HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO" all the way to the bank, thanks to gullible numbskulls like you.

Peace!

Bob
WWSN
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 12:06 PM
Pour EDHUK,
Tu dis :
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 12:06 PM
Traduction (fran
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 12:15 PM
Bonjour Bob, WWSN ,

Tu ne m'as pas bien lu, je crois.
Nous avons faits des analyses de glutathion, nous m
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 03:58 PM
HOHOHOHO

"Once the patches are activated, they wear out."

Please explain HOW the patches are "activated"?
WWSN
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 05:03 PM
Dear HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO-

Dr. David Schmidt and Lifewave have both claimed that their "studies" show a 300% increase in glutathione levels. Now you say that you were referencing your OWN "analysis" of the glutathione patches. Do you reject Dr. Schmidt's claims in favor of your own? May we see the studies and research that YOU have done in your "analysis" of glutathione?

Or is this simply more of your silly subjective "it works for me" nonsense?

I am not naive and I do trust - I trust the scientific method, not the opinions and rants of someone calling himself "HOHOHOHOHO".

<b>"So when you see that it works, it is not immediately known!"</b>

What kind of weed are you smoking over there, Frenchie?

Bob
WWSN
WWSN
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 05:18 PM
As you may recall, activation of a Lifewave patch depends on who's explaining it and what the Lifewave spin is from month to month.

Here is an excerpt from the <b><a href="http://www.worldwidescam.info/lwws.htm" target="_blank">Lifewave Due Diligence Worksheet</a></b>
_____________________________________

<b>9. Lifewave Patch "Activation"</b>

Dr. Haltiwanger wrote:

"The patches are activated by electromagnetic fields emitted by the human body." and "It is not heat that is the activator of the patches it is the resonant electric and magnetic frequencies emitted by the human body."

And yet Lifewave has stated that:

"The patches activate with body heat and last 12 hours. Subjecting the patches to heat or carrying them in your pocket will activate them."

What is the best way to store the patches?

The patches should be stored in a cool, dry place. DO NOT store patches in your wallet, pocketbook, your car or any other area that could become warm. The contents of the patches are 100% organic so they activate with warmth/heat. They must be stored properly.

Keep the patches away from the microwave, your computer, x-ray equipment and all sources of heat.

Which statement is correct and why is there such an obvious contradiction?
Pat
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 05:35 PM
Aina,
as I mentioned a few days ago, I spent two weeks researching this product starting the day after I was introduced to it. I didn't just stumble on to this forum for fun or by mistake. This is serious and important to me as I have a friend who is selling this product and could be easily prosecuted should anyone speak up.
I have explained to her all I have learned but she decided to go on selling as she is in too far to back out. One of her fellow sellers just mortgaged her home for a large sum of money to buy another sellers client list.
Can you understand even just a little how this thing just keeps chugging along???? Whole families will be devastated should anyone speak up. The poor stupid people advertising here just need one person like myself to get upset and report them. Do I want to be the one to destroy their lives???? One fool has even displayed on the internet a picture of their family home!!! Where does this person live? In the same tiny town where I grew up.....I probably went to school with this person or their father or my brother knows them and so on. Nobody wins Aina and this is part of the caution if you are deciding whether or not to get involved in the sale of this product.
Will Lifewave help these people out when they are sitting in court being charged????? NO.
Pat
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 06:02 PM
Aina, you might wonder why there is some anger on display here at the moment. It is because all the homework has been done for you over the past 6 years by the people who post here. It is a huge insult that people like the French guy do not even try to do a little research or even read some of these honest posts so I can only assume he is selling this product and is now part of the 'machine' called Lifewave.
If any of us were to tell lies on this forum I am quite sure we would be prosecuted. David Schmidt can't fight the truth as he would then have to stand up in court and prove his product is legitimate and does all he claims it can do.
Fred
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 08:32 PM
I sort of "stumbled" on to this thread for "fun". I have a general interest in the humor of hoaxes, and so visited the MOH homepage and often viewed the "recent comments" page where this thread is very active.

Speaking of arrogance, just for fun I followed that Aussie link to http://www.life-wave-patches.com/My-Own-Story.html.

And I quote:

((("And in case you ask, yes I do expect to make a large sum of money out of this as well, no apologies for that.")))


Also a testimonial from same Aussie page:

((("I have had wonderful results with the LifeWave patches, both in training and competing at the Olympic level. I have witnessed many top athletes set lifetime best performances, including one world record by using LifeWave."

Richard W. Quick
Head USA Olympic Coach - 1988, 1996, 2000
Assistant USA Olympic Coach - 1984, 1992, 2004

How
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 09:10 PM
PART ONE of THREE:
You know, I "admire" one thing about Schmidt, for absolute lack of a better descriptive term.... and this is a dead serious comment.... it is his bizarre sense of foresight for the viability of a scam that is absolutely ludicrous to anyone with even the tiniest bit of sense. Basically, I am my own worst salesman, and more than likely out of a sense of "fairness" than actual honesty on my part, when I sell things, I wind up "overdisclosing" in that I blow things that are "bad" out of proportion. I did such a thing just last night. To keep from getting too far off point, let's just say that it would never EVER have occurred to me that people would actually believe such horseshit even if I had the desire to deceive them! I mean, it's absolutely bizarre, and it's actually scary to realize that we actually share the road with these poor deluded slobs! Worse yet, the sheer number of morons one would have to scam take to fill the LifeWave coffers to the degree that Schmidt has already is downright unbelievable, even if he enjoyed perfect and absolute exposure to each and every person in the free world!

I mean, at times, it's funny, and it's kinda enjoyable to poke a little fun at these poor slobs even though they totally lack the capacity to understand the jokes aimed at them. That may be mean, yes, but hell, it's far, FAR kinder than anything that Schmidt, et al, would ever do for them...TO them, I mean.

I live in what is arguably one of the "least intelligent" areas of the world, southeast Louisiana, and I am a very typical product of that sort of backward education system. Easily, we are far from the most intelligent people around, but damn, one would not require an education to learn or inherently know that if it smells like horseshit, looks like horseshit, feels like horseshit, and it comes flying, steaming hot, straight out of a horse's nether regions, then there's very damned little need for (and many reasons to avoid) tasting it to validate that it is in fact horseshit!

So, how in the hell would Schmidt know, could he know, that there was this huge. Yes, I realize that my coming from one of the the least sophisticated areas in the world, I would of course suffer from this lack of higher intelligence to inherently realize that this sort of blatant and absolute stupidity is that rampant, BUT, if anyone were around a bunch of less-than-intelligent people, well, it would be us less-than-intelligent residents of south Louisiana, so the examples of such ineptitude should be far, FAR more prevalent than anywhere else in the US. So, I should see these people all day long, every day... no? And, I can honestly and truly say that not one person that I know can I think of that would even remotely consider such silliness, apart from obviously suspending disbelief enough to enjoy some satirical Saturday Night Live skit making fun of some such silliness.
(Continued below)
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 09:12 PM
PART TWO of THREE:
Look, we live in an amazing world, so relatively technically advanced from even just a few short decades ago, and there are many, many REASONABLY "unbelievable" things out there to pursue and inspect whilst we strive to discover miraculous and convenient cures, fixes, and beneficial wonders of technology and science, things that are truly hard to believe but that are grounded in credible and transparent, if not wholly undeniable, science, so how...or why...can someone simply blind themselves to reason to such a degree that they believe this sort of silliness to the point that they actually spend voluminous sums of money on it, and to pursue the identity of absolute fools as they repeat senseless drivel time and time again trying to "explain" their blatant ignorance!?

Look, Schmidt's an out and out predator, we know that, but how in the hell does he do it!? Clearly, it's as disgusting as it is predatory, and even if I COULD do something like this, I am simply not cut out that way...and I am far from a saint, I can tell you loud an clear. I make my living "removing" nuisance wildlife and nuisance alligators (read "killing" most of the time for "removing"), for God's sake, so I know the world's a rough ass place. I could do a lot of bad things, but how in the hell can someone so blatantly victimize what are clearly people that are so surely mentally disabled? That may not express the common and proper definition of "disabled", but to me, they are surely just that, and I do at times feel guilty for my strange and most surely improper anger at them for being so incredibly inane. The cruelty most surely arises in my sporadic posts, and as funny as it seems at times to read and write similar, it's not a very mice thing to do. But, I doubt I'll change...that's me. And, that's what's so scary here...these people really and truly BELIEVE this crap! They will NOT change! There's not one damned thing that we can tell them that they will process and investigate in any legitimate way, unless is prescribes what they already believe. Of course, this will never happen
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 09:13 PM
Fred,

"Poor coach Quick's obit in the L.A. Times must have been embarrassing to his family:..."

I've posted about Richard Quick here in the past. For me, the family's biggest embarrassment will come when they finally realize that he was part of the LifeWave SCAM. That he needed the money.

All very sad.
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 09:13 PM
PART THREE of THREE:
So, if its agreeable, could the sensible maybe chime in a bit and honestly explain to me if people are really that stupid, or if Schmidt has some sort of power over these poor cretins. I would really like to know. It
Fred
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 09:54 PM
Awesome post AmosMoses

My 2 cents:

Analytical skill may have created our modern technological society, but verbal skill is what made us human - and verbal skill still wins.
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 10:26 PM
Fred,

You are no doubt dead on with that observation! It's perfectly succinct and undoubtedly correct, but I am not sure if you are you saying that Schmidt's powers of bullshit are simply that good, because honestly, 100% of it all sounds so silly to me .... is it possible that he simply says what they want to hear and he says is well?

I definitely think you are on to something here, but it's still a bit vague to me. I am assuming that it's quite possible that he has identified and quantified a certain gullible subset of the population and has perfected the ability and dialogue needed to wholly victimize them...a perfect and heartless niche-predator, if you will.
Fred
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 11:00 PM
Moses:

I suppose the trick is to have an effective emotional verbal expression before any secondary analytical thinking occurs.
Fred
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 11:21 PM
I don't think Schmidt is really a predator, his victims are willing. T-Rex never had a Brontosaurus lie down to be eaten.
Fred
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 11:55 PM
Off Topic: Catching gators! How cool is that?
AmosMoses
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 01:07 AM
Fred,

Thanks for the replies! I appreciate it, and I think you've hit the nail on the head!

The alligator thing is much better than a whole bunch of other things, but it, like any other similar thing, it can kinda get "old" I guess.. It's kinda like Groundhog Day...not-as-big-as-complainant-claims alligator invades stock pond, please come get him. Don't get me wrong....it has its moments:

-drunk guy drives up on complaint site before I get there and hangs rope noose around alligator's nose, reaches through loop with chicken bone and taps alligator in the nose - and you can guess what happened there. When I got there there was a nine foot alligator with a round hole the size of a quarter in its forehead from gunshot by law enforcement officer, blood all over the road that was NOT the alligator's, ten cops/firemen, and an ambulance heading out.

Or, alligator gets in _______ (pool, utility room, barn, even home, take your pick).

Or, similar things. So, I actually like doing it, and the unusual does pop up now and again.
Pat
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 03:05 AM
I hope nobody minds me putting this poem on again for anyone just tuning in but it sums up David Schmidt and the Lifewave scam in a lighthearted manner. Why wait till Christmas to read it again?

http://www.worldwidescam.info/lwchms.htm
AmosMoses
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 03:14 AM
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
David Schmidt is a dickhead.

The End
Pat
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 03:36 AM
Simple...but true!!! Thanks for the laugh 😊
Aina
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 05:32 AM
How does placebo work on horses? Please explain to me.
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Research/Research007-ResponsivenessHorsesBiofreqPaper.pdf

I am sure you have something to say about J. DeRock, the veterinarian who conducted these tests also. She's Haltiwangers sister inlaw or something, right?

Have you read all the studies and research, or have you just hooked your selves on to the names you know have some connection to the LifeWave company?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, I ask in all honesty.
Pat
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 06:10 AM
Hi again Aina,
I am perhaps not the right person to respond here but I remember feeling like yourself a few months ago. I just wanted answers quickly and to get my head around all this before I shelled out what was a lot of money to me for a product that just was too good to be true.

I think you should really look at previous posts and attached links. Some of the links disappear as quickly as they are posted as Lifewave read this forum too so I do appologise for that. It is a shame they are able to do that but..it is sneaky and also shows they have something to hide. Ever seen this with any other product??? Lifewave can put things on the internet and then remove them and put them back on and hedge and dodge etc.
When I said I spent two weeks on researching all this nonsense, it wasn't because I needed proof this product is a scam, it was just so fascinating learning how people are so easily duped and how it was done.
Pat
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 07:01 AM
Also, if the creator of a product is a huge fraud and the product he says he created is equally a huge fraud, why would you need proof any of the creator's family, friends or cohorts like Haltiwanger and his family are frauds also?

I am using the word 'creator' but that would imply David Schmidt actually created something but someone beat him to that when they invented sugar 😊
Aina
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 09:02 AM
I can't be bothered to read nearly 300 pages of posts from various people with various degrees of knowledge. Some of them might have actual knowledge and the rest jump on the horse for the ride without knowing shit about either nano technology, patches, the legitimacy of these studies or any thing. Thats why I ask.
This person who conducted this study on these horses; how can you be so sure she didn't get the results she said she got?
Are you people maybe so hung up in your opinions of the patches and the founder of the company that you just asume that the studies that has been done, are just BS? I'm just asking. And the reason I ask is of course because my personal experience tells me you are wrong.

And what if I should be a victim om the placebo effect.. so what? They still do the job. If the belief (I didn't believe for the first few weeks)makes them remove pain so that I can avoid chemical pain killers, whats the harm?
I sure as hell can't think pain away, so if the patches are the wessel needed for the placebo to come into action, so be it. I don't see the problem.
As I've already said, I don't think it is placebo, if that requires a belief, because I am a skeptic, my son is a bigger skeptic, and so the patches should never have had any effect on either on us. Still they have a bigger effect on him than they do on me.
His back pain is by the way, not the phantom kind of pain. He has a deformety (?) that clarely shows on an x-ray.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 11:10 AM
"This person who conducted this study on these horses; how can you be so sure she didn't get the results she said she got?"

Please look at Dr DeRock's website.

http://www.drderock.com/

She loves MLM.

http://drlderock.my4life.com/1/default.aspx

Her LifeWave spiel commences "There is a totally new technology available now..."

Hardly new. This SCAM is 6+ years old and counting.

Dr. DeRock designed and conducted her own poor quality "study". The so called "study" would have failed even the most basic science 101 level at High School.

After a series of emails to the Journal where her "study" was published (and BTW NOT peer reviewed) the said Journal changed its requirements for accepting studies for publication. They now peer review all submissions before publishing. They don't intend on being embarrassed like that again!

"I can't be bothered to read nearly 300 pages of posts..."

I sympathize with your plight, but the DeRock study has been extensively reviewed in this thread.

You might have some luck by Googling: Hoax LifeWave DeRock Horse Study

Joel posted his extensive review in 2006.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P2180/

As you might imagine, if Dr. DeRock's study was genuine and of great importance about this amazing product, 5 years on the whole world would know about it and be happily slapping on equine patches!

Also, please bear in mind that while you cannot be bothered to read this forum thread on the LifeWave scam, the few of us who keep plodding along try to do our best to answer questions from people like yourself.

It takes our personal time as well. The difference is we have no financial interest. We are not paid by "Big Pharma" or big anyone. I wish we were!

Cheers Aina.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 11:13 AM
Aini wrote, "How does placebo work on horses? Please explain to me."

<b> THE JOKE HORSEY STUDY BY LAUREN DEROCK</b>

Aini, have you carefully read and considered that "study" and whether it was performed according to accepted scientific standards? Do the methodology and conclusions make sense to you?

My critique of that study, and EDHUK's, are posted at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P2180/ and the following pages.

One way a placebo works on horses is when the person administering the study discards conventional techniques for measuring pain and makes up her own subjecting way of measuring pain that is "logical" to her (even if to nobody else), and makes the subjective measurements and interprets the results herself . . . and has a financial interest in the results. It's called "observer bias."

Does this conclusion by DeRock make sense to you:
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 11:26 AM
<b>SUZANNE SOMERS' BLOG</b>

Suzanne Somers has a blog in which she posts her endorsements of Lifewave. I especially like this post http://www.suzannesomers.com/Blog/category/Health-and-Hormones.aspx?page=1 in which she explains within 3 sentences, that "I like the natural approach to health" and that's why she uses the nanotechnology in Lifewave. After all, nanotechnology is all natural, right?

I guess her preference for the natural approach to health would explain not only the multiple nanotechnology patches she claims to wear every time she wants to feel different, but also the plastic surgery some observers believe she has undergone (http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/2011/02/09/meet-suzanne-somers-new-face/), the 60 pills a day she claims to ingest, and the daily injections into her vagina, right? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/29/suzanne-somers-daily-rout_n_162342.html What could be more natural than those things?

<i>"Ignorance is curable, but stupidity is forever."</i>
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 12:15 PM
Aina says:

<b>"I can't be bothered to read nearly 300 pages of posts from various people with various degrees of knowledge. Some of them might have actual knowledge and the rest jump on the horse for the ride without knowing shit about either nano technology, patches, the legitimacy of these studies or any thing. Thats why I ask."</b>

No need to read 300 pages, Aina. All you need to know or ask is on ONE single web page that was presented to Dr. David Schmidt and Lifewave several years ago (at his request). And he has NEVER responded:

<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.info/lwws.htm" target="_blank">Lifewave Due Diligence Worksheet</a></b>

As for <b>"...without knowing shit about either nano technology"</b>, Dr. David Schmidt is the one who made the claim that:

<b>"All Lifewave Technology products contain:

Nanotechnology structures made from water, Oxygen, amino acids and all natural organics."</b>

And Dr. Schmidt explains nanotechnology as:

<b>"Nanotechnology is described as "Manufactured products that are made from atoms. The properties of those products depend on how those atoms are arranged. If we rearrange the atoms in coal we can make diamonds. If we rearrange the atoms in sand we can make computer chips. If we rearrange the atoms in dirt, water and air we can make potatoes.

The Lifewave patches use nanotechnology with all natural ingredients to create a product that communicates with the user's body to improve energy without stimulants. A new, non-transdermal patch technology that passively communicates with the human body to improve energy, stamina, well being and performance. the Lifewave patches are created with Nanotechnology, a new science being studied and utilized by companies around the world."</b>

Dr. David Schmidt is NOT a doctor and he is the one who doesn't know a "shit" about nanotechnology. He has zero, zip, nada, NO education or experience in any scientific field of any kind and he certainly knows absolutely NOTHING about nanotechnology.

It is Dr. Schmidt's moral and legal responsibility to explain, verify and prove that his patches do anything. It is NOT the customer's responsibility to disprove his claims.

Bob
WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 12:28 PM
Let's listen to Dr. David Schmidt describe the details on the manufacture of his miracle nanotechnology patches in his patent application - that was rejected by the U.S. Patent Office:
___________________________

[0117] Patch 400 of the invention having Right-Handed molecules may be manufactured with the following specifications:

[0118] Honey in its raw form (Sioux Honey) and unsulphured Molasses (Grandma Molasses) is utilized as the patch ingredient. The ratio of Honey to Molasses is 3 lb. of honey by weight to 355 ml of Molasses. A Pellon 100% polyester interfacing material is cut to a 1" diameter disk; GBC Heat Laminating films (# 3000038 clear polyester substrate with homopolymer adhesive) are cut to 1.69" in diameter. Two pieces of the interfacing material are dipped in the Honey/Molasses solution so as to saturate the fabric with the solution. The honey/molasses-saturated fabric disks are then sandwiched and placed between layers of the heat laminating film (the saturated disks are separated from one another by plastic films), and the structure is sealed with a heating surface so as to form the completed structure.
__________________________

WOW! Genius at work! How can anybody take this crapola seriously?

The U.S. Patent Office did not.

<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.info/LWpatapp.htm" target="_blank">United States Patent Application 2003</a></b>

Bob
WWSN
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 01:12 PM
Bonjour Aina in Norway,

Dur, dur, pour la Norv
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 01:17 PM
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 01:36 PM
Hey Frenchy, how did that little test work out for you - the one where you try to tell the difference between Lifewave patches and placebo patches without knowing which is which?

I tried the patches. They had no effect on me. They had no effect for a lot of people who have posted here.

Have you tried the placebo test? Or are you too closed minded to try it?
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 01:57 PM
More quotes from David Schmidt
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 02:20 PM
Mon cher WWSN,
Tu dis:
"Or are you too closed minded to try it?"

Ne serait ce pas toi, plutot !
Mon ouverture est elle que je d
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 02:22 PM
Mon cher JOEL,
(je me suis tromp
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 02:52 PM
Frenchy,

Sure, send me the patches, and I'll hold some of them next to my body for 24 hours thus releasing all of their magic power, and some I'll merely rumple a bit so that they all look the same. I'll send them all back to you with the patches being numbered, and with an encrypted file disclosing which is which. Then when you state and post which is which, I'll send you the decryption key and we'll see how many you got right.

But I don't know how you would believe that I haven't cheated such as by giving you a false list of which is which.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 03:30 PM
Tu disais que tu avais essay
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 04:05 PM
Dear HOHOHOHOHOHO-

As much as I enjoy your humorous comments, trying to follow and understand the awkward translations is giving me a headache that even a Lifewave placebo patch cannot cure.

I freely state that I have never tried a Lifewave patch and never will, until I see research, testing and studies that prove they do something on the basis of known science according to generally accepted and practiced medicine and physics.

I am not an objective or qualified candidate for individual "testing" of Lifewave patches and neither are you. Neither of us is trained and even if we were, the small amount of data collected from our personal experience is all subjective and insignificant, either for or against the patches.

You and I have no obligation or moral or legal responsibility to prove Dr. Schmidt's honey & molasses patches (or his new "homeopathic sprays" - why do they need sprays if the Lifewave patches do what they claim?) work or not.

That is the absolute sole responsibility of Dr. Schmidt.

However you or anyone else chooses to structure a test or "study" of Lifewave patches, it is irrelevant and a complete waste of time. What is legally required to make the claims made by Dr. David Schmidt is independent double-blind placebo controlled studies over a large database of participants, by an independent recognized and respected organization (not vanity labs such as Fenestra Research or Essex Labs or Lifewave affiliates Haltiwanger or Nazeran).

Why not just yield the argument, admit that you are happy to spend your money on any sort of placebo patch, spray, lotion or potion that SEEMS to work? You have many options, with holographic discs, copper bracelets, gemstones, incense, wild flowers, herbs, and magic spells, to name a few.

As long as you BELIEVE in them, they will work!

Your mind is the creator - you create your own reality - create a world of magic and placebo patches that cure anything and everything. And donate generously to the Reverend David Schmidt.

But give up with your disingenuous arguments about science, gravity, and nanotechnology.

I cannot stop laughing and it hurts...

Bob
WWSN
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 04:12 PM
Frenchy,

No, I'm not going to spend any money to prove the patches don't work. I have no interest in giving con man David Schmidt any of my money. I don't intend to read any more of your posts, as you write so much in such a turgid manner and say so little.

Because you buy the patches, you can perform your own test and let us know the results.

Adieu, mon ami.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 04:44 PM
J
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 04:58 PM
Tout ce forum, n'est bas
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 05:09 PM
Superconductivity is real science.

<b>A centennial: superconductivity</b>

What on earth does that have to do with Lifewave patches?

You prove my point, my friend. There are amazing and astounding things that are possible in this world. But they are all based on genuine research done by educated and experienced real scientists using generally accepted tools and standards operating within the known and understood laws of contemporary mathematics, quantum theory, science and physics.

None of which applies to Dr. David Schmidt and the Lifewave honey & molasses placebo patches.

Schmidt is a fraud, a phone, and a con man. His own rejected patent application reveals - in his own words - that he is a fake.

Bob
WWSN
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 05:12 PM
The logic of HOHOHOHO is pretty much the same as previous "LifeWavers".

Real science exists, therefore LifeWave patches are real.

I'm with you Joel. Time for our French friend to put up or shut up.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 05:36 PM
NON, non, je n'ai jamais dit une telle
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 05:52 PM
I suspect that Frenchy is trying to sabotage this forum by making it too painful for anybody to read let alone try to follow his reasoning. Forget him. Let him blather - and blither - on if he insists.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 06:05 PM
Amos,

Just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed your past few posts. You are the man!

Gotta take my hat off to anyone who can make a living doing what you do.

As for why people fall for scams?

We've posted a few ideas here from time to time.

My own experience was that a person I knew decided to get involved because her trusted mentor said it was the real article. She needed no proof as his word was good enough for her.

Bearing in mind that her mentor stood on powerful magnets to "cleanse his aura" and put post its by the front door saying "This is not real" one had to wonder at her misplaced confidence!

Turns out that intelligent people are easy to scam.

http://www.justaskasa.com/wp/?p=837

Here we see how the emotional aspect comes into play:

http://www.examiner.com/consumer-affairs-in-new-york/even-smart-people-fall-for-scams-here-s-how-to-protect-yourself

And more:

http://www.gfi.com/blog/intelligent-people-dumb/

Take care of yourself, Amos, we need you around for the long haul.

Dave
AmosMoses
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 10:52 PM
PART ONE of TWO (1/2): -
AmosMoses
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 | 10:54 PM
(Continued from above):

PART TWO of TWO (2/2): -
Pat
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 01:30 AM
I have been searching for a certain link I found a few months ago which explained why MLM's and pyramid schemes are allowed to flourish in the US and how only the Clinton Government bothered/managed to take out a few but this link is just as good.
I thought the Australians who might be keeping an eye on the posts here could be interested.
I wonder how the Aussie sellers of Lifewave report their earnings to the tax department...... It could be tricky trying to claim expenses when your earnings are generated by an illegal pyramid scheme but if they are not even reporting their income they would be in a much worse situation with the tax department.....IF they are making any money at all out of selling patches that is.

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/MLMInfluenceBuying.html
Aina
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 03:45 AM
Pat, there is a significant difference between pyramid chemes and MLM. Pyramid schemes are closed down all the time. Serious MLM companies get to continue business.
Of course MLM isn't for everyone. It's a lot of work. If you sign a contract in the belief that THAT will make you rich, you lose. It's a job.

I found this: http://isitapyramid.com/mlm.php
It seems to me that pyramids are illegal in Australia but that Multi Level Marketing is not. I might have misunderstood this, but thats how I read it.

To those of you who require scientific papers in order to believe they might work, and insist that those of us who actually use them and have experienced them are in lack of logic and reson... I don't know what to say. To me it is totally resonable to believe my own experiences. If pain vanishes, it vanishes. Simple as that really.
Aina
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 03:48 AM
By the way; I would like to know what is wrong with the veterinarien that tested the horses. I'm not asking you to prove she's lying about the results, but feel free to tell me how her testing was conducted wrongly and not in accordance to the scientific method.
Aina
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 03:51 AM
@HOHOHO
Thank you for your kind words about the situation here in Norway these days.
I hope the scum bag operated alone although he's talking about 2 other cells.
Thank you 😊
Aina
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 03:54 AM
@Edhuk
Sorry, I didn't see you reply about the horses until now.
Don't mind my latest post about that. 😊
Aina
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 04:07 AM
Thank you all for your kind efforts to enlighten me. I do appreciate it, but they don't take the effects away... And as long as they take away the pain from my sons back and achilles, I will let him use them. As mentioned earlier, he won't touch chemicals. I had him take two paracetamols at one point, when his appendix was inflamed. He also got morphine after the surgery. That's it.
He is totally against putting poison into his body, and these patches helps him, no matter if David Schmidt is a conman or not. Regardles of whether he knows about nano technology or not. Regardles of horse womans biased tests. Thats the point.
Yes, it might be placebo even if he didn't believe they would work, and I shall do a placebo test on him. I just have to find something to put on his back that feels the same way when I attach it. Maybe there are round, plastic patches of some kind at the pharmacy.
AmosMoses
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 | 07:22 AM
Aina:

Off subject, but I would like to ask if it is true that the max penal sentence in Norway is 21 years as I think I read somewhere. If so, is that per charge, per "incident", or what? I guess what I am asking is can this guy possibly be in a position where he has a 21 year limit on any potential jail sentence for this wholesale and wanton slaughter?

It's strange to think that he could be out in his early 50's, free to potentially repeat what he did already, however likely or unlikely that may seem at this point.

Thanks.....
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