The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Pat
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 08:59 AM
What can I say but ((((CRAP)))) I am wobbling with all this French info..
I was all ready to post again but then was a little afraid. You guys in recent days were hinting along the lines of 'gotta be super nerd to post here' but then I read this news from the French people albeit translated. And I thought..... Bob had a sense of humor once...I will try again damn it...
Not scared any more and you guys need to lighten up a bit anyway. I know it is hard after all these years:) But get stuck in to your French dictionary, you are going to need it now LIFEWAVE have conquered FRANCE!
This is not rocket science I know but remember people like me are just stumbling along, not much time, not much money, need quick answers so we can pay and get on with our work and be free of pain....
This is all about lies really, lies told by a sociopath and David Schmidt must love sugar. Pure and simple isn't it? My husband and I live according to this principle and it is called KISS. Keep It Simple Sweetheart.
You have 2 patches. One patch has brown sugar and one patch has a white sugar. They are both just plain old sugar. You can stick the patches where ever you like in no particular order it doesn't matter as your brain will do the rest and sort it out:)

If you have a brain it will tell you "you are full of shit if you think these patches will help you".
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 04:00 PM
Hey Pat, Sorry if you felt a bit discouraged from posting. Don't be! I love to read your take on things from down under.

I was just a bit disappointed that the guy from the UK was posting whole sections of studies we have already referenced many, many times before.

The LifeWave SCAM, when it comes to an end, will surely be written up by someone as an object study on how people love to be fooled.

There's a great book out right now written by well known skeptic Michael Shermer. He was interviewed on The Colbert Report:

"The Believing Brain".

http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/mon-july-11-2011-michael-shermer

Well worth a look as he talks about why people are so willing to be that all sorts of crap is true!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 08:22 PM
French chappy

"Yet I have spoken well in my name!"

You really do think highly of yourself, don't you?

You have demonstrated nicely that you are not the brightest French person.

Thank you.
Pat
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 05:40 AM
Thanks Dave, I think I was having a moment!
I am at the seven month stage since injury and getting very frustrated with my progress. I really wish I had the brain glitch that would allow me to believe in the pain patch just like the gentleman from France obviously does... but I would need a labotomy to achieve his level and depth of belief.

I was going over the TGA's findings from when they shut down Lifewave advertising in Aus in 2009 but this time read it properly. I was actually feeling sorry for Michael Podolsky by the end.
Lifewave left him flapping in the breeze didn't they? The Panel could surely see how unsupported this man was by the company he believed in. He must have been gutted by their coldness towards him, a faithful employee. But that's how Lifewave roll.
I wonder if Michael ever got his life back post patching?

Thanks for the link, looks like a good book to read. The whole show was great and I will have to see if there is a forum for the fracking debate as that is a scam of Biblical proportions and just starting to take off here. They should hire Suzanne Somers or William Shatner to sell that bull to the public like they did for Lifewave!!!
But that's what politicians are for I guess:)
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 06:40 AM
TU DIS:

"Yet I have spoken well in my name!"
You really do think highly of yourself, don't you?

D
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 08:27 AM
Pat in Aus,

When I see how many posts I have made on this thread, I realize I have had many "moments".

Our French chap is just one of many LifeWavers spouting the usual garbage that LifeWave has given them.

Clearly hasn't any real understanding of scientific method etc.

He or she will prattle on about us all being unwilling to accept this amazing new paradigm etc.

Wonder what kind of rationalization will be applied when the awful truth finally dawns on this particular LifeWaver?
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 02:37 PM
Hello,
Which could translate as accurately as my text to avoid any misunderstandings?
Thank you.

Voici ma r
Fred
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 03:27 PM
I was going to comment about the french poster's
accusation of this thread as being a witch hunt - but now it appears that five terms of surrender are being offered.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 05:22 PM
Merci Fred pour ton commentaire mais peux tu expliquer ta pens
Pat
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 06:44 PM
Dear HOHOHOHO, Lifewave can not prove the patches work because they hold only sugar.
Lifewave can not and will not prove the patches are safe because people would know they hold only sugar.
Get out of the dustbin (you said you were going to do that anyway) and put the patches in the dustbin instead.
Look on the internet, you will find you can buy 'placebo' tablets, a 1 year supply, for just US$15. Much cheaper and work very good and have been tested by real scientists.....or use the patches and GOOD LUCK 😊
If you are really ill go to your Doctor and show him/her the patches but be prepared, he/she will be trying very hard not to laugh....apologies in advance.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 08:56 PM
HOHOHOHO
in France

http://www.cieaura.com/index.html

http://www.8ight.com/

http://www.harmonyunited.com/start.html

http://www.powerbalance.com/

http://www.thezeropointsolution.com/blog/

http://www.zeropointmagicwand.com/
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 09:01 PM
HOHOHOHO
in France

S'il vous pla
Pat
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 | 09:32 PM
http://www.placebo.com.au/

Placebo's work for some people and are not expensive. Try these HOHOHOHO, no need for artistic brochures, no need for lies, no need for MLM and no money in David Schmidt's bank account.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 04:28 AM
Tu me dis: "S'il vous pla
Pat
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 08:06 AM
AAArrrggghhh, HOHOHOHO, please understand translator is not good.
If you want to put sugar on your leg then you put sugar on your leg. Maybe your leg is not the problem. Maybe your leg does not really hurt or is not really damaged. If sugar fix your pain then you have no pain and no damage. Get an xray. ROFL.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 08:39 AM
Non, pat, tu es dans l'erreur.
J'ai eu mal pendant 1 an et demi.
J'ai vu des docteurs, pris des m
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 09:36 AM
You say: "Please provide a scientific study."
I am just a consumer. It is not me you should ask.
I tried and the results are very conclusive on my thigh. 1 / 4 of an hour with the patch ICEWAVE and then nothing. So I tried 10 tips for a year and a half. So if I was about to placebo, 10 tricks would have on markets.
For my part, my results are more interesting than reading the scientific literature that are often questioned. You own you denigrated the scientific literature! My personal experience is in itself a scientific experiment. Should I deny it, or even deny, to please you: I do not see the point either for you or for me.
Ok, so answer as the placebo.

Honestly, I really effects too obvious with these patches. But thank you for your sincerity to try to convince me.
But know that I have no faith in these patches, I have specific experience. Experience for me, as a scientific experiment personal undeniable evidence.
Patches act so extremely powerful. And I advise you to attack on side effects rather than deny their effectiveness proven by users delighted (I even friends, doctors, surgeons, nurses, physiotherapists recommend that the following results on themselves, and and their patients. here is a proof fantastic.)

Your conviction, even if it is touching, is not a scientific experiment. It's just a profession of faith. But faith is a true placebo impossible to have a true insight and that is blinding.
Listen to me really because I can not keep writing because it takes time and I think that says it all my texts from the past few days. Just to make very accurate translation and read patiently for me to understand my meaning.
Good day. GOOD LUCK!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 09:37 AM
No, Pat, you're wrong.
I was sore for a year and a half.
I have seen doctors, taken medication.
I went to see two osteopaths.
Nothing was there.
The day I put the patch, I had great physical activities during the day and my right thigh was very warm and the muscles were hard.
It was frightening in comparison with my left leg that she had nothing.
Well, now, with these explanations, you will understand, that there can be absolutely no doubt (for me who have lived on it) because in 1 / 4 hours of my leg was relaxed and warm normal.
I'm sorry, I can only say what I experienced.
There is no reason why it causes these reactions to explain that I put sugar on my leg. I feel great pain for those who read me, given the difficulty to enter into a real exchange. For me, there is no constructive dialogue at the moment, in the reactions of disbelief and not listening.
No, I have a product (patches) that though they say has been very effective.
I have even more experience with pain in the biceps muscle a few months later that at first the pain was amplified with these patches.
And then the placebo effect does not exist because it is by informing that I knew I had reversed the two patches. presented in the right direction, everything is part and very quickly. etc.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 09:58 AM
"My personal experience is in itself a scientific experiment."

You are correct, HOHOHOHO, but as you know, or should know, anecdotal evidence is of no use when trying to prove that a treatment works as claimed.

"Your conviction, even if it is touching, is not a scientific experiment. It's just a profession of faith."

Not sure what "conviction" you are referring to?

I am just asking for evidence, any concrete evidence, that LifeWave manufactures anything other than placebo patches. It is a very simple request.

I would be delighted if the patches performed as described.

"I can not keep writing because it takes time and I think that says it all my texts from the past few days."

Yes, it does take time. Most of us have been posting here for over 5 years.

Just like other "LifeWavers" that have come before you, you have fizzled out in a few short days.

You have no real answers to real questions because there are no answers.

You cannot grasp this simple concept:

If we were to make statements, that the makers of
Dom Perignon 2002 were scam artists, and that the bottle contained nothing but rain water, the makers would quickly put a stop to such statements. They would be able to demonstrate that, in fact, the Champagne in the bottle was exactly as described and came from the 2002 vintage.

Cold hard facts, not just statements make by a man who is not a doctor or a scientist and holds a 2 year business studies degree from Pace University in the USA.

David Schmidt is a sociopath, a liar, a man with no ethics or morals of any kind. He uses people to achieve his goal of making as much money as possible before being shut down.

You have decided to beleive in such a person.

This demonstrates how gullible, irrational, and devoid of simple common sense you are.

Good Luck
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:08 AM
HOHOHOHO

Not sure how a translation would read but here is a link to the placebo pain study that demonstrates we do experience REAL effects from a placebo.

http://www.snm.org/index.cfm?PageID=4287

You are experiencing a REAL effect from the LifeWave PLACEBO patches.

The sociopath David Schmidt thanks you for the money you send him.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:46 AM
D
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:48 AM
je pars 3 jours !
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:50 AM
Le mot secret cette fois ci est LOVE !
J'ai mis mon
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 12:44 PM
First, a big thank you for your translations.
I had not seen before!

You say ... anecdotal evidence are of no use when it comes to prove that treatment works:

YES, but for me it's just a great experience and great certainty.
And for most people who do not necessarily need scientific evidence but need results, evidence of a sophisticated or more suffice their users.
And in view of all the results on my friends, we do not need scientific evidence.
We must accept and understand it!
We share us our results.

You say the other "LifeWavers" who came before you, have fizzled in a few days. :

Yes, it will be my case because I send my info for free (I am not paid by LifeWave!) And I see that you stay on your belief and you think I am the victim of a placebo.
Honestly, I read stories like mine, so my scientific curiosity and titillate me I would do the tests.
I speak for myself, you do not have to be like me.
This happened to me and believe me, because I have not said everything, for my very first patch, I put it one night and my idea was that I hoped in my heart, a small improvement for the next day but I thought not.
My brain was not programmed to think it was so fast. I am 59 years old and my previous experience, let me no possibility of beliefs, such a speed and efficiency. Eliminating, completely in my case, all placebo effects!
So yes, I will not last long, because I bring my testimony and post whatever, listening or not. I shared albeit unsuccessfully.
I will not last long, as I move on in my life that is just as interesting.
For cons, I have no regrets for having communicated to the other side of the world.

And if I stop tonight, tomorrow or next week to communicate, it does not give me all the twist on the contrary.
I'm not going to fight against windmills (like Don Quixote http://mondalire.pagesperso-orange.fr/fatext39.htm)
My testimony will always be present and will be for others. It is the purpose of a forum: moving information (yours like mine)

I have already said (because I wanted to stop already. You see I am patient and understanding to explain my experience on the patch, since I re-explain a little more, but it stops, it is on !): So, GOOD LUCK, DON QUIXOTE!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 12:47 PM
"I posted for 3 days!"


"The secret word this time is LOVE!
I put my personal email: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
if necessary.
thank you all for reading."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 01:01 PM
HOHOHOHO

"First, a big thank you for your translations.
I had not seen before!"

No problem ,thank Google Translator!

http://translate.google.com/

It's not perfect but helps us understand what you are posting on an English website.

"You say ... anecdotal evidence are of no use when it comes to prove that treatment works:"

Correct. At last you understand.

This man decided to make statements about using bicarbonate of soda to cure cancer. He scammed many people out of their hard earned money and gave them false hope that they would be "cured".

Some of his patients died from his treatment.

His current website makes it appear that he is still a doctor and his "treatment" works.

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

However, ex-doctor Tullio Simoncini was struck of the medical register in his home country for life. He was also convicted and sent to jail for nearly 4 years.

It is not enough to say you have a treatment that "works" even when some of your users say so.

This Englishman, now dead, wanted to go to Europe for the "treatment". Why?

Because desperate people will do desperate things.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/12/471008.html?c=on

Notice the comment:

shen clinic & simoncini are quacks
19.12.2010 22:36

Be Wary of Simoncini Cancer Therapy
Rob Koene, M.D., Ph.D.
Sophie Josephus Jitta

SCAM artists are dangerous when they claim to have medical treatments. LifeWave currently claims to treat 140 conditions.

If you think scams like LifeWave are harmless, think again.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 03:00 PM
"Well, now, with these explanations, you will understand, that there can be absolutely no doubt (for me who have lived on it) because in 1 / 4 hours of my leg was relaxed and warm normal.
I'm sorry, I can only say what I experienced."

As the regulars are all too well aware, our friend in France has made the fatal rookie cause and effect error.

They put the patch on the leg, felt something, therefore it MUST have been the patch.

I drank a Guinness in the dark last night and lo and behold today it was light!

It MUST have been the Guinness!

These monks are able to regulate their body temperature purely by thinking about it!

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

What, no patches?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 03:05 PM
"My brain was not programmed to think it was so fast. I am 59 years old and my previous experience, let me no possibility of beliefs, such a speed and efficiency. Eliminating, completely in my case, all placebo effects!"

New research has demonstrated that the placebo effect can work even when we know we are using a placebo!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=placebos-work-even-when-you-know-10-12-23

Think again HOHOHOHO The truth is staring you in the face.

You just have to keep an open mind and be willing to see it.
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 03:54 PM
HoHO said:
(Google translation)

"Fred thank you for your comment but can you explain your thinking?
all that is conceived well is expressed clearly and the words to say it come easily ... (Nicolas Boileau-Boileau) or What is conceived well is expressed clearly ... (Montesquieu)"

_________

Yes, I can. I do not believe you. I think your enthusiam for the effectiveness of the sugar patch is false. You say: "not paid by lifewave". No, paid by those below you in the pyramid.

Certainly you will engage many more skeptics in the future as you advance in the pyramid scheme. So, engaging here is good practice. I think you have a good early position in the patch pyramid of France.

That is what I think.

________________

HoHo:

"Merci Fred pour ton commentaire mais peux tu expliquer ta pens
Pat
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 04:22 PM
You are right Dave.
Scam artists are dangerous. Being fleeced of your hard earned cash is one thing but someone, pretending to be a doctor, messing around with your health is another.

I am not convinced at all the french gentleman is not selling the patches. After a while he would have to, to be able to afford those little bandaids. He is a little too rabid to just be a happy 'user' and why has he just suddenly appeared on a forum dedicated to informing the general public of a scam??? I am here because I kinda smelled a rat the first time I tried a patch and I needed (help) answers but he has been using them for how long now??? Over a year? He must be independently wealthy to be able to afford to stick these bandaids all over himself when there is nothing wrong with him. Isn't that what children do when they want a bit of sympathy?
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 04:48 PM
Wow Pat! I think you have found the psycology behind the "success" of the patch - it goes to a place in your mind where you felt better because mom but a band-aid on you!
Pat
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 05:27 PM
It can't be anything else. He said there was nothing actually wrong with him.
One of my daughters near sent us broke with all the bandaids she covered herself in when she wanted some extra attention. There were never any left in the box when we really needed one. 😊
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 06:37 PM
Off Topic: I guess if you live in France you don't get "surrender" jokes.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 07:36 PM
<b>NOW LIFEWAVE PATCHES CURE ACNE, TOO</b>

http://lifewavepatchtraining.com/lifewave-summary-january-11-2011/

So how do Lifewave's distributors start making ridiculous claims like that? Do they pull it completely out of their backsides?

Here's how it works. I know because I sat in on this Lifewave conference call.

David Schmidt and/or Haltiwanger say something like (and I'm paraphrasing here, and exaggerating just a little bit), "We can't say that Lifewave patches cure acne yet because the clinical trials aren't quite finished , but the preliminary results are absolutely amazing, showing incredible improvement in people's acne. One guy's pizza face cleared up to porcelain smooth after just 3 days of using the patches. But we can't officially advertise that yet as a company until the clinical trials are finished."

And just like trained puppies, the Lifewave distributors run out and start plastering all over their websites and insisting to their friends that Lifewave patches clear up acne like magic, while giving Schmidt and Haltiwanger plausible deniability: "No, no, we never claimed that Lifewave cures acne. That was one of our overenthusiastic distributors. In fact, we specifically TOLD people not to make that claim yet. Don't blame us."

Where you do you think that list of 140 diseases/conditions cured came from? Yup, my guess is 140 conference calls from Schmidt and Haltiwanger saying, "We can't say that Lifewave cures or treats (pick your disease) yet because the clinical trials aren't finished , but man oh man are we excited because the preliminary results are just amazing. Why, one guy . . . "
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 09:24 PM
Acne, that's a good one.

Hopefully we'll never hear about the proper patch placement to cure hemorrhoids.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:13 PM
Fred said, "Hopefully we'll never hear about the proper patch placement to cure hemorrhoids."

All you had to do was ask . . .

http://www.healthywaveoflife.tracyszone.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=91:conception-vessel-1-cv1&catid=2:conception-vessel-meridian&Itemid=205

Yes, Tracy Walters, Lifewave distributor, claims that Lifewave patches can help with all of the following:

<i><b>INDICATIONS:</b>

Coma
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:24 PM
I've seen links to several web sites where Lifewave affiliates are making claims for curing just about every disease or condition known to man.

I would appreciate it if everyone would send me specific links to web sites, blogs or forums where these claims can be seen online. I will organize them, publish them on the <b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> web site along with a link to specific regulatory, state and federal law enforcement web sites (such as the FDA) where people can file a complaint and try to draw attention to these scammers.

A lot of these agencies are busy or lazy, but I know they listen to complaints and the more they receive the more likely they are to get involved.

Send any urls, links, web sites, blogs, or forum addresses to:

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

We really need to start kicking up some dust, making some noise, and alerting the authorities. This has gone on way too long.

Thanks.

Bob
WWSN
LifewaveScam.com
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:31 PM
Joel that confuses me. Why does the patch's nano goodness stay potent for months or years in a box, but then wear out after 12 hours of being stuck on a person?
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:31 PM
Here is an example of one way to file a complaint about Lifewave patches with the FTC:

<b><a href="https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?lang=en" target="_blank">FTC Complaint Form</a></b>

Bob
WWSN
LifewaveScam.com
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 10:41 PM
Fred, we've discussed that question here before. The B.S. response from Lifewave has been that the patches are activated by the body's own heat which causes them to radiate all the goodness out of the patches into your body and thus be depleted.

But if that were true, then the patches would be no good after 12 hours of being exposed to any temperature over about 90 degrees (skin temperature is less than 98.6 degrees F).

It would also mean that if you wear the patches on the outside of your clothes, as Lifewave claims that you can do and still get all the nano goodness, then the patches would last forever, or at least as long as they do on the shelf.

Total B.S.
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 | 11:29 PM
I've got a new angle! Refridgerated patches to maintain the highest quality of nano goodness!
Pat
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 | 01:25 AM
Hi Bob,
I am wondering who I should put in a complaint to as I don't think it would be very effective notifying the TPAC here as the web designer is in the US.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 | 07:09 AM
Joel

Only wear the patches for 12 hours, then dispose of them.

They used to be good for 24 hrs, right?

Mmmm must be putting less glucose and glycerin in them.

50% less, I guess!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 | 07:56 AM
This is a response to a post I made on another website about CieAura:

Interesting!

By Alex in Business Scams
The FBI and the Justice Department are actually quite smart. The Federal Court's ruling in favor of the FTC against Burnlounge, Arnold, Taylor and DeBoer ("ATD," aka the "Three Stooges")now sets up a strong case where the Justice Department will be able to charge Arnold, Taylor and DeBoer with conspiracy, mail fraud, violations of interstate banking laws, and RICO violations. Instead of settling with the FTC earlier and waiting for Judge Wu to decide on the case, the Three Stooges have set themselves up perfectly for an easy prosecutorial conviction.
The $16 million+ is only the beginning of Alex Arnold's legal troubles. He now faces the probability of Federal criminal charges which will not only further bankrupt him (legal fees), but similar to how death is inevitable with terminal cancer, Alex Arnold would be sure to be convicted and have to spend time in prison.
As he tries to cover his financial tracks with this CieAura scam, it will only make his situation worse. By trying to hide his involvement, he leaves himself open to forensic accounting experts who will unravel his deceptive financial involvement.
Sadly, it was obvious from the get-go that Burnlounge was not a legitimate business opportunity, and once the FTC got wind of it, Arnold and his cronies should have immediately admitted wrong-doing, shut the thing down, paid restitution. He would have probably had been slapped with a heavy fine and some period of time where he was restricted from engaging in the mlm industry. Now, it will only be a matter of time before Federal indictments will be coming down.
Judge Wu's verdict also puts all mlm companies on notice. The whole concept of retailing will now have to be clearly defined (which is good) and more companies will now be scrutinized by FTC.
hcmom
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 | 09:22 AM
There's an interesting panel discussion I'm going to be seeing at TAM this afternoon, Placebo Medicine: The Ethics and Mechanisms or the Mysterious Placebo

I think placebo medicine is one of the things that interests me most. The brain is an odd thing.
hcmom
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 | 09:24 AM
sigh... "of the Mysterious Placebo.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 | 04:43 PM
Il y a un bureau des plaintes!
OK.

Est ce qu'il y a un bureau des t
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 | 05:41 PM
Frenchy,

I'll offer the same bet I have offered to other Lifewave believers.

I'll bet you $5,000 that you can't consistently tell the difference between placebo patches and real Lifewave patches just by the feeling the effects that those patches have on you.

We can film you sorting through the patches, saying "This one must be a placebo because I feel nothing. This, one, however, is a real Lifewave patch because I feel an effect. This one . . . "

Then when you're done sorting through 20 patches, we'll open up the outside envelopes in which the patches are hidden from view and we'll see how many you got right. I'll even let you get 3 of them wrong, so that if you get 17 out of 20 correct, you win, otherwise I win. We'll film the whole thing and put the resulting video up on Youtube.

Fun, no?

Or just run that little experiment yourself and let us know how many you got right and how many you got wrong. What's funny is that no Lifewave believer has ever been willing to do that. Not a single Lifewave believer has confidence in his ability to tell real Lifewave patches apart from fake placebo patches.

What should that tell you?
WWSN
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 | 07:48 PM
<b>Dr. Haltiwanger - Is He the Real Genius Behind Lifewave?

<a href="http://www.worldwidescam.info/realgenius.htm" target="_blank">Who Really Developed the Lifewave Patch?</a></b>

Dr. Haltiwanger:

LifeWave patches are like organic radio stations. The interaction of the natural molecules contained within the patches with the body's thermomagnetic field produces a specific set of oscillating bioelectrical signals that are transmitted into the body just like radio signals are sent from a transmitter to millions of home radios (receivers). Molecules that are already pretuned to the frequencies being transmitted receive these specific bioelectrical signals. When the frequency specific energy is absorbed by these molecules activation of biochemical reactions that are already naturally occurring can be enhanced.
__________________________

Lifewave uses other frequencies of light to cause other changes within the body.

So what the LifeWave patches do is take advantage of the information system that we have, and through the ingredients that are in the patches, actually reflect frequencies of light. Which then communicates, through those acupuncture channels, and amplifies the effect of whatever the message is that the patch is sending.

Who created them, and why?

Invented by David Schmidt an exceptionally brilliant young inventor from La Jolla California.

David was formally educated in management information systems and biology at Pace University in Pleasantville, New York. He went on to specialize in energy production technologies for both military and commercial applications. And, was invited to participate in the navy
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 | 08:59 PM
"If so, then give me the web link but be warned, they will collapse on an unimaginable number of testimonials!"

Our french friend seems to be a little slow on the uptake!

I wonder just how many times this must be repeated:

Anecdotal info = Useless.

Testimonials = Useless.

Fun, non?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 | 09:01 PM
"David received a multi-million dollar grant from the US Government to develop a safe and effective product that would increase the oxygen uptake, stamina and endurance of the Navy Seals."

Perhaps Tracy would like to give us the details so that we can FACT check.

You know, those pesky little details that keep pointing to Schmidt being a SOCIOPATHIC LIAR!
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 08:16 AM
<b>Meditation HEALS</b>

Meditation actually HEALS by producing powerful pain-relieving effects in the brain.

Studies have shown that meditating regularly can help relieve symptoms in people who suffer from chronic pain.

"Only a little over an hour of meditation training can dramatically reduce both the experience of pain and pain-related brain activation. We found a big effect--about a 40% reduction in pain intensity and a 57% reduction in pain unpleasantness. Meditation produced a greater reduction in pain than even morphine or other pain-relieving drugs, which typically reduce pain ratings by about 25%."

Read the original source:

<b><a href="http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/meditation-heals#ixzz1SSyXK4uS" target="_blank">Meditation HEALS</a></b>

WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
Pat
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 09:04 AM
Getting close now to thinking I will just have to make pain my friend.
I don't think meditation will 'do' it for me (get rid of the pain) any more than expensive Lifewave patches filled with glucose/sugar/placebo would.
I have recently found that laughter is the best medicine. I knew it had special powers but forgot the magic ingredient; other people to share the joke with.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 11:03 AM
Pat

Sorry to read you still struggle with pain issues.

You are right about laughter and friends.

Distraction is often the best medicine!

Be well.
Dave
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 08:55 PM
What the heck is Dr. David Schmidt up to now?

<b>Clinical Evaluation of an Anti-Acne Test System of Glutathione Patches and LifeWave Homeopathic Spray. - April 2010

<a href="http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Research/Research-ClinicalEvalAntiAcneTestSystem.pdf" target="_blank">LifeWave Homeopathic Spray</a></b>

Will this crap ever end???

Bob
WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 09:25 PM
Bob @ WWSN

Here is an example of one way to file a complaint about Lifewave patches with the FTC:

FTC Complaint Form

Thanks, Bob. My completed form has been sent.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 09:31 PM
Hey Bob,

Did you notice the Anti-Acne Report calls our "Science Director" Dr Steve Hattiwanger.

A very thorough report, I'm sure!
WWSN
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 | 10:05 PM
Their whole collection of "research" is hilarious.

<b><a href="http://www.lifewave.com/research.asp" target="_blank">Lifewave research</a></b>

Most of the "research" is done by the usual suspects such as Nazeran, DeRock, Emily & Steven Haltiwanger and Clark. And the "studies" are done by vanity labs such as Fenestra Research and Essix Testing Clinic.

They STILL include the Troy University and Morehouse College "studies":

<b>A double blind placebo controlled study of the LifeWave technology as it relates to the improvement of strength endurance in high performance college athletics
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 | 04:59 AM
Bob,

"It is postulated by the manufacturer that the LifeWave patch passively modulates the oscillating low energy magnetic field that exists just above the surface of the human epidermal layer."

Ah, the good old days!

Plenty of changes in the way the patches are thought to "work" since then.

I guess it depends on how much cheese Schmidt ate before bedtime?

As you said...hilarious, but still a scam!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 | 05:03 AM
Mmmm

"In order to re-confirm these observations under scientifically more vigorous conditions a
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