The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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WWSN
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 | 08:11 AM
Lifewave is based in California.

Here is a complaint form you may file with the California Department of Consumer Affairs:

<b><a href="https://www.dca.ca.gov/webapps/cru/gencomplaint.php" target="_blank">Welcome to the General Online Complaint Form</a></b>

I will also be posting all of this information on the <b>LifewaveScam.com</b> web site.

Bob
WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
WWSN
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 | 08:19 AM
Complaints with the FDA may be filed here:

<b><a href="http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/email/oc/buyonline/buyonlineform.cfm" target="_blank">Reporting Unlawful Sales of Medical Products on the Internet</a></b>

To report e-mails promoting medical products that you think might be illegal, forward the email to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

The FDA would be very interested to know about claims made by Dr. David Schmidt that his patches can increase HGH and serotonin levels, cure autism, prevent cancer, protect from radiation, reverse aging, lose weight, increase energy, and all the rest of his nonsense.

They might also be interested in knowing that Dr. David Schmidt is NOT really a doctor at all...

Bob
WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
WWSN
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 | 09:03 AM
Links to complaints forms for the FTC, FDA and CA Dept. of Consumer Affairs have now been posted on the <b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> web site

Bob
WWSN
WWSN
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 | 08:44 AM
When did Dr. David Schmidt start peddling this new crapola?

<b><a href="http://www.lifewave.com/lifewaveplus.asp" target="_blank">LifeWave Plus Homeopathic Medicine</a></b>

They do not even seem to understand the theory behind "homeopathic medicine", telling us:

"Homeopathic products work by activating the body
Pat
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 | 09:35 AM
If you wrap a bit of sugar/food coloring in plastic and stick it on to your body, will it get rid of your pain???? I don't think so. That is all these patches are. A little bit of sugar makes the medicine go down....yes it does...but a little bit of sugar shouldn't be this expensive, surely 😊
HUGE SCAM, don't get SCAMMED by this product.
Save your money.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 | 11:32 AM
Pat...

Especially when the patches are described as "NON-TRANSDERMAL"

The whole LifeWave SCAM is based on patches that do not put anything into your body.

Schmidt's time is drawing near.

I think he is quickly making sure his money is hidden away as we post.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 | 11:05 PM
A very good sign that an MLM pyramid scheme is having money problems is when they start emphasizing the many new ways for affiliates to earn MORE money:
___________________________

LifeWave Announces New
DOUBLE MATCHING BONUS PROMOTION!
Sponsor, Build and EARN

The bottom line is you have the potential to earn significantly more income during the promotion period. For example, instead of receiving a 25% bonus on the binary commissions of your personally sponsored members, you would earn 50%. So if a personally sponsored member of your organization earns $1,000 in binary commissions, you will receive a $500 bonus!
______________________________

LifeWave Implements Marketing Program Changes

Last fall, we launched two test marketing programs to stimulate sponsorship: the Double Fast Start Bonus for new distributors and Super Value Gold and Diamond Enrollment Packs. After analyzing the impact of these test programs, we have decided to implement the following changes:

Effective Monday, July 25, 2011:

We will reinstate standard Fast Start Bonus payments for all distributors, eliminating the Double Fast Start Bonus for new members (please see http://www.lifewave.com/payplan.asp for details on the Fast Start Bonus).

Gold Enrollment Packs will include 10 packages of patches and Diamond Enrollment Packs will include 30 packages of patches.* This is still a significant increase in value over our original Gold and Diamond Enrollment Packs.

Enrollment Pack Chart

We are always looking for new and creative ways to help you generate more business and we are currently developing a number of exciting promotional programs to meet that goal. Look for these in the near future!

*The USA Gold and Diamond Enrollment Packages also include homeopathic LifeWave Plus sprays.
______________________________

Promotion Winners Announced

We kicked off 2011 with some of our greatest promotions to date and we are proud to congratulate the winners of two of these:

First, our
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 05:35 AM
Bob,

"We are always looking for new and creative ways to help you generate more business..."

The essence of LifeWave.

It's always been about the $$$$!

Let's help close this scam down so that we can concentrate on some of the offshoots like CieAura and 8ight!
Pat
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 07:22 AM
I have heard recently (anecdotal I know but from a reliable source) that a lady here mortgaged her family home for an additional $50,000.00 to buy out a fellow Lifewave seller's list of clients. Now, considering he was selling out as he was in financial difficulties, what does this say about the patches and how profitable it is to try to sell this placebo?
This woman will be paying for this mistake for a very long time. It will impact on her life and her family for many years to come.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 03:56 PM
Pat,

It is truly pitiful when people are convinced by all the hype that they can "ride the wave" and make a fortune.

The fact that the seller had tried and failed to make any money tends to be ignored.

Also ignored is the common sense fact that the patches are sold by a sociopathic scam artist, David Schmidt.

There will be plenty of tears before bedtime.

Dave
Aina
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 04:31 PM
Hmmm... I'm quite skeptic to things like these patches, and it took a few tries before I thought they had any noticable effect on me.
My even more skeptic son, thoug, had an immidiate effect from the IceWave patches.
He doesn't easily believe in things he don't understand or can't explain, but he told med to put patches on each side of his left achilles, wich bothered him quite a bit, so I did. Most of the pain disappeared instantly, and the rest within half an hour.
After that he got curious and had me place a couple of patches on his back pain as well, a pain he has had for years and that neither a physiotherapist nor a naprapat has been able to help him with.
This back pain also disappeared instantly. Had it been merely placebo, wouldn't the physiotherapist(?) or the naprapat have taken care of the pain for him? He surely wanted them to.

The patches are said to be active for about 12-14 hours, so he kept them on over night.
The pain returned after about the 12 hours, and not because he looked at the watch and confirmed that the time was up. It was the other way around. He noticed the hurt, and then checked the time.
We did it again three days in a row, and the same result each time.

If we're scammed, then so be it. He's happy and pain free and nothing else has helped him. Let me also add that pain killers aren't his cup of tea, he just won't take them, so they're not an alternative, and why should they be. Pain killers are poison and harmful. You guys think thats a-okay?
Do you know how many people are killed by traditional medicine and mal practice every year? Any skepticism in that direction? Haha, probably not, huh?

So many people are so angry, so skeptical, so judgemental about the alternative medicine business, but how many people are injured or killed by that treatment division compared to the traditional medicine?

I don't understand this misplaced anger... 🙄
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 04:38 PM
Je ne pense pas que David Schmidt soit un sociopathe.
Une accusation trop facile:
Alors que les patchs sont effectivement tr
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 04:42 PM
TRADUCTION AUTOMATIQUE DONC APPROXIMATIVE
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 04:54 PM
BONJOUR Aina in Norge,

Toi aussi tu utilises les patchs avec un grand succ
Fred
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 06:28 PM
"We are always looking for new and creative ways to help you generate more business..."


Results from remarkable study just completed in Norway:

A patient's mother applying multiple patches to various parts of her son's body twice a day can provide instant and complete pain relief. The patches were also found to be most effective if the mother applied the patches to her son at bedtime, and again at sunrise. One caution from the study recommended to discontinue use after 30 years.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 07:40 PM
Aina in Norge

Thank you for posting your thoughts.

Generally, everything you have stated has been said by people before you, over and over and over again.

Please don't take offense when I say I wish new posters had something different to say.

Like proof that just ONE study can show that the patches do anything more than elicit the placebo effect.

Just ONE study would be nice.

Please DO NOT refer me to the LifeWave website where their list of fake "studies" is listed. Each "study" has been discredited over the past years.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 07:42 PM
HOHOHOHO in France.

"I know how it works..."

Wonderful!

Please explain it to the rest of us. I will wait with great excitement to read what you have to say.

Thanking you in advance.
Pat
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 | 09:20 PM
Aina,
have you showed the patches to your son's naprapat? Have you explained to him/her how they are supposed to work?
I am sorry you are happy to throw your hard earned money away. Try sticking a bandaid on your son's back without him knowing it is not a patch and see what the results are. A little bit of TLC from mum goes a long way.
Cheers, Pat.
Aina
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 12:40 AM
Just to mention it. My son is 26, and as I also said, skeptic to anything he doesn't understand. He didn't believe they would work, and most of all he wanted to show me they wouldn't work on him and his cronic pains, so he was just as amazed as I was.

Never mind. I don't really need scientific studies as long as I feel they work. If it is placebo, then great - that won't harm my body.

Are you guys as skeptic and angry at the traditional medicine that killes hundred of thousands each year, or is that quite ok with you, since the meds have been testet and found active? Doesn't matter if people die as long as the pharmacy industry is behind it? Theres a corrupt business for you.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 12:54 AM
Pour EDHUC:

"I know how it works..."

Phrase mal traduite ou que j'ai mal exprim
Aina
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 12:55 AM
@HOHOHO in France.

I've seen this all before in other fora on other type of discussions. People who are just too eager to dismiss other peoples experiences, without having the smallest clue or personal experience in what the discussions topic is. It occurs all the time, not only with LifeWave.

In this thread here we have a number of people with personal, positive experiences with the patches, and we have a number of people who have never tried them and never will, but these people are so angry, - so damn angry - at the patches, the people who talk well about them from their own experience, and they see it as their mission in life (or so it seems) to tell people they are scammed. People who are perfectly happy with their, in this case, patches.

And about science, scientific proof etc. How many times during the years have science altered their truth about things?

There are different kinds of people. Those who rely on scientific proof alone. Those who don't think in new directions, are not curious about new findings, but continue to look backwards on what have been discovered. They have no vision ahead at all.

I know exactly what wail you are talking about, HOHOHO in France. In my opinion, these people are actually afraid. Afraid of anything that doesn't support their vision of life.

But go ahead, guys. As I said. If its placebo, great. That never hurt anybody. Even the mildest of pain killers kan kill. If I can feel better without chemicals,- fantastic! You go ahead and swallow up your little white, blue, orange, what ever, pills... 😉
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 12:57 AM
Pour EDHUC:

"I know how it works..."

Phrase mal traduite ou que j'ai mal exprim
Aina
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:03 AM
Just one more thing;
If black matter or black energy was something that "alternative" scientists had written a paper on or published a hypotesis on, the traditional scientists and their followers (like the angry people in this thread) would laugh, and probably call them deluted and in need of medicine. It can't be measured, we have no clue as to what it is, but it's there. And since it was discovered by the traditionals, its ok, even without scientific evidence. Observation is plenty in this and other cases. I'm not doubting the dark matter, I'm just saying.

Scientists laughed at the Wright brothers too, and refused to show up at their flight. They probably didn't see how it would be possible to fly, so therefor it couldn't be anything but a hoax.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:10 AM
Bonjour Aina in Norway,

Tr
Knighteey
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:16 AM
Hi All,

Have read more than a few of the comments on this product and thank you for the confirmation that this is a scam and people should take care. I am always more than a little skeptical when someone wants lots of money for something and their doco waffles on with BS with very little accreditation to back up their claims. I have forwarded this forum to a friend who has become involved with this company and I hope she does not kill the messenger (that's me).
Regards,
K
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:27 AM
Bonjour Knighteey,

Excusez moi, mais vous n'avez pas tout lu.
Seuls les t
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:35 AM
Nobody in this forum is "angry" and I've been challenging Lifewave and the phony Dr. David Schmidt for many years now.

Everyone will agree that there are many problems with pharmaceutical companies and the pills, drugs, and potions they market and sell. We live in an over-medicated society and a blog or forum to discuss these issues would be a worthwhile endeavor which all of us would support and benefit from. If you feel strongly about that issue, we encourage you to follow through on your convictions. You will have our support!

But that is a different and separate issue. This forum is NOT discussing, promoting or defending pharmaceutical companies and their pills. Just because many drugs are dangerous and often abused, it does not follow that placebo patches are an appropriate substitute.

If you choose to feel enlightened and morally and intellectually superior on the basis of results achieved through the use of fraudulent and unproven placebo patches or placebo products of any kind, that is your right. Many people have been cured of cancer and crippling diseases and life-threatening conditions at traveling tent revival ministries and I am happy for them. I do not dispute or challenge their results.

If you truly believe Dr. Schmidt's phony magic placebo patches have value and wish to give him your hard-earned money, give him as much of your money as you wish. I am not the least bit angry or concerned. You believe in Dr. Schmidt and you believe in his fraudulent pseudoscience and you believe they can work miracles - and so they do! I am not the least bit surprised; this is an outcome that is entirely logical and predictable.

Gravity is not a "mystery" - it is a scientific fact and the laws and physics of gravity are known, understood, and can be demonstrated through a generally accepted scientific method.

Dr. Schmidt's phony patches have never been examined or tested using an independent double-blind placebo based study or any generally accepted scientific method. It's an obvious and blatant scam.

Falling for Dr. Schmidt's goofy science and wacky explanations as to what they do and how they work (which changes radically every six months or so) does not make you enlightened and morally or intellectually superior.

All it demonstrates is that you are gullible. And nobody is angry with you for that - although we feel bad for you because you are throwing away your money on junk science promoted by phony doctors and New Age quacks promoting a network marketing pyramid scheme and who are front-loading product to naive people who are hoping to get rich quick.

That is your choice and we wish you well.

Our goal and objective in this forum and on the WorldWide Scam Network and LifewaveScam.com web sites is to stop them from stealing OTHER people's money under false pretenses.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:51 AM
As for the Wright brothers, I don't recall any stories about scientists "laughing" at them. But the Wright brothers nevertheless developed their airplanes on the basis of both known science and experimentation in which they demonstrated in a scientifically provable and duplicatible manner that was undeniable.

Dr. David Schmidt is neither a doctor nor a scientist of any kind - he is a charlatan and a snake oil salesman. His products are based on obvious pseudoscience and promoted by New Age phonies and medical quacks.

Nobody is angry here - that is such a silly and juvenile supposition. We simply challenge Dr. Schmidt or any of his followers and true believers to PROVE that Lifewave placebo patches do ANYTHING on the basis of known and generally accepted scientific standards - the same scientific standards that were used by the Wright brothers to prove and demonstrate the power a flight so many years ago.

Respected scientist Carl Sagan said it best:

"Precisely because of human fallibility, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And to the extent that extraordinary claims require extraordinary investigations, those investigations must be true to the spirit of science. And that means highly skeptical, demanding, rigorous standards of evidence."

Dr. David Schmidt does not get a pass - he must be held accountable to the same rigorous standards of evidence.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:27 AM
BONJOUR WWSN,

Honn
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:28 AM
TRADUCTION AUTOMATIQUE DONC APPROXIMATIF :
APPROXIMATE MACHINE TRANSLATION :


HELLO WWSN,

Honestly, you're wrong yourself!
If you do not want to hear our stories, too bad.

The placebo effect can not be proof of all the explanations.
The effects of the patches are consciously perceived as an obvious strength, but I understand it seems a scam!
And I understand that you argue the opposite but remember that you have not tried.
Otherwise you would not be honest with respect to yourself and others.
If one day you come to France in Marseille, passes me and I will test that will be flawless.

You say this:
"Gravity Is Not A" mystery "- It Is A Scientific Fact and the Laws of physics and gravity are Known, Understood, and Can Be Demonstrated Through a Generally Accepted scientific method."
Translation:
"Gravity is not a" mystery "- it is a scientific fact and laws of gravity and physics are known, understood, and can be demonstrated by generally accepted scientific methods. "

How can you understand the explanation of David Schmidt, if you say that gravity is not a mystery!
But this is one of the most compelling mysteries in modern science. It may even be the biggest challenge for science of the future, even for humanity.

Your confusion on this point is complete. We know and measure the effects of gravity but basically we know nothing.
You see, I am much more aware of science than you. So when it comes to David Schmidt, it's ok for me to give my tongue to the cat!
Like gravity, I stick to the facts: gravity draws me and my weight is directly related.And if I fall, I hurt myself.
But I do not know the gravitational force of a scientific point of view.

Here, the gravity, one sentence from Wikipedia:

"She is still the subject of much research and the scientific community considers as drawn a more complete theory of gravitation, able to take into account the effects of microscopic nature (quantum), and therefore called quantum gravity, is amajor challenges for the twenty-first century physics. "
Sentence copied this link:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation

You understand now that I'm more scientific fact that you could not think.
And you have very little scientific understanding.
My background is mathematics and I am an analyst programmer.
It helps, believe me!
Now you can forget the words scam, fraud, fake, fraud, naive, charlatan, steal money, when you speak of the effects of patches for you will be irrelevant!
The real issue is power, and of course, the boundaries of patches.
Hey, do a thesis on
Pat
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 03:14 AM
Hello Knighteey,
there is certainly lots of helpful info in these posts. I spent a whole 2 weeks wading through it all. If you get a chance, have a quick peek at one of the Lifewave books written by Peter Ragner. I assure you, you will get a good laugh but any of the literature will do. Better still, try watching him on youtube.
I will warn you though, it is painful so pop on a patch first.😊

Lifewave are not shy about saying they are scamming everyone and don't try to hide it at all. Distributors just need to actually read the info Lifewave 'sells' them. This scam is actually quite unique and fascinating but sadly doesn't say a lot for the intelligence of a lot of people.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 07:36 AM
Dear HOHOHOHOHOHOHO-

Your posting name is so appropriate - you make us all laugh with your silly convoluted logic and undying affection for and complete religious belief in the phony Dr. Schmidt. You are truly the Inspector Clouseau of this message forum!

You know nothing of the scientific method. Gravity is a force that is known and understood. If you drop something, it falls at known speeds according to generally accepted laws of physics and science which can be repeated by anyone anywhere in the world.

If you buy a phony Lifewave patch from Dr. Schmidt, it might give you energy, it might make you sleep, it might help you lose weight (unless you are Dr. Haltiwanger) and it might make you young and pretty (unless you are Suzanne Somers). And at least 15% of the people will feel or experience no effect at all (according to Lifewave's own declarations).

That is not science. All of the claimed results are unpredictable, absolutely subjective, unverifiable, and based on zero, zip, nada, no generally accepted and known science, studies or research.

It's a religion and you are a true believer and we wish you well. Please continue to preach the gospel of Dr. David Schmidt. It's much like reading a script for a "Pink Panther" movie and you are our beloved Peter Sellers.

We appreciate your entertaining contributions to our forum.

Bob
WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
Aina
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 10:36 AM
As a matter of fact, WWSN-Bob. I don't really care if Schmidt is a doctor or not, or if the testing of the patches are done under strictly controlled double blind studies or not. I'm just saying that they really do work on my son, in spite of his skepticism. Does the placebo effect kick in if you don't believe?
I read some where - maybe not in this thread - a person claiming that placebo can also work on animals. How is that possible? Animals have no belief in that matter.

Other than that; There are research going on when it comes to the placebo effect, and it can sometimes be used in stead of drugs, BUT both the doctor AND the patient has to believe in it in order for it to work.
Maybe all of us can have benefits from placebo, and what is the harm in that? We pay for drugs, why shouldn't we pay for placebo as long as it helps? Drugs harm, placebos don't. So what is the problem?

I don't think these patches are placebo, they wouldn't work on my skeptic son if they were. At least I think they wouldn't.
I also read somewhere a post by a quite angry man who had used the energy patches during work out, but they had the oposite effect on him. He felt weaker, had less stamina and so on, so he cursed them...
Was that placebo too? Or did they actually have an effect on him, only not the desired one?
Aina
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 10:40 AM
@Pat.
You asked me if I had shown the patches to my sons naprapat.
No, why should I? Why would he have the smallest knowledge about what these patches claims to do with the human electromagnetic field? He is a naprapat, he knows about muscles and bones.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 11:00 AM
"I'm just saying that they really do work on my son, in spite of his skepticism."

Aina, therefore, has made the classic rookie cause and effect error.

The patches were applied, there was an effect, therefore the patches MUST have caused the effect.

WRONG!

That's why we have science.

I drank a beer last night and today the sun came up. Therefore , drinking a beer makes the sun rise, right?

Sorry, Aina, you are way out of your league.

Good luck to you and your son but please remember that by promoting the patches you share in the liability when this scam is closed down and people start looking for their money back.

By stating that the patches work for you or your son, you are promoting them as a genuine product.

There is NO product, just patches filled with glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) as stated by David Schmidt 6 + years ago.
Aina
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:11 PM
Well, nothing else has ever removed his back pain. The patches did it three days in a row. Now we're out and awaits a new shipment, and the pain in his back is back. It remains to see if the patches does the trick again. That would really be quite a coincidence, wouldn't you say...

By the way, the patches do come with a 30-day money back guarantee, so if people want their money back, they can.

They also do not advertise to cure any thing.
Funny thing also is that in all the threads I have come across about these patches, the persons who are against them and call the whole thing a scam are persones who have never been near a patch. The people who have experienced the patches always speak highly of them. Now, which ones are the most reliable? Those who have never tried them but are absolutely sure they can't have any effect, or those who have positive experiences?
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 01:58 PM
Bonjour Aina en Norv
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:21 PM
WWSN, tu nous dit: "La gravit
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:24 PM
WWSN, tu nous dit: "La gravit
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:30 PM
WWSN, tu nous dit: "La gravit
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:30 PM
Traduction (fran
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:37 PM
Voici, l'histoire originale d'un doigt de pied !

UNE EXP
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:42 PM
Traduction (fran
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 02:54 PM
HOHOHOHOHOHO-

You say you don't care if Dr. David Schmidt is lying about being a doctor. The inventor of the Lifewave miracle patch who is taking your hard-earned money in exchange for a honey and molasses band aid is LYING about his credentials and education, but that does not concern you.

And you don't care if there is any genuine science, research or studies behind Lifewave patches. You don't care if Lifewave doctor Haltiwanger is morbidly obese and cannot lose weight with Lifewave patches or Lifewave Ambassador Suzanne Somers cannot recover her lost youth and beauty with Lifewave anti-aging patches.

There is no serious harm in managing your health on the basis of placebos, unless you develop cancer or some other life-threatening disease or condition (and Lifewave has made claims that they can cure cancer, as well).

You are free to throw as much money at Dr. David Schmidt as you like, but don't try to convince anyone that this makes you more enlightened, open-minded, or intellectually superior. You might also consider this news report:

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/06/half-german-doctors-prescribe-placebos" target="_blank">Half of all German doctors prescribe placebos, new study shows</a>

"Recent research, he said, showed that placebos had helped 59% of patients who had been suffering from an upset stomach. Used to treat depression, placebos have the same effect as antidepressants in about a third of cases.

The efficacy of a placebo depends on many factors, according to the report, including the size and colour of a pill.

The more expensive the placebo, the higher the success rate, the study found..."

Animals and a placebo effect? Absolutely:

<a href="http://www.thebark.com/content/dogs-and-placebo-effect" target="_blank">Dogs and the Placebo Effect</a>

"A recent double-blind veterinary study involved arthritic dogs randomly assigned to either a treatment or a placebo group. Their response to treatment was objectively assessed by force-plate analysis, which precisely measures the use of individual limbs while a dog is in motion. The result? Fifty-six percent of placebo-treated dogs had an objectively measured, significant, positive response."

You are on the wrong side of science, enlightenment, awareness, morality, ethics, medicine, New Age ideals, higher consciousness, and just about everything this side of blood-letting (a treatment enlightened doctors of their time believed cured all kinds of ills).

You have obviously taken the Lifewave bait hook, line and sinker and will fight and argue for your faith in the religion of Lifewave to the end.

Please don't stop posting - keep the HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO'S coming. It is quite entertaining and an excellent example of the way in which scammers manipulate the minds of their victims.
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 03:27 PM
OK, WWSN, tu as gagn
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 04:14 PM
More HOHOHOHOHO'S from HOHOHOHOHOHO!

My friend, it is not a matter of me being right or wrong. Lifewave patches ARE placebos and nothing more. If you choose to believe they do anything, that is your right and I wish you well.

Dr. Schmidt's ex-wife has exposed him as a fraud - his former business partners describe him as a phony - only wack jobs and New Age quacks such as Eldon Taylor and Karen Kan defend Schmidt and his MLM scam - because they profit from doing so. They have no integrity or credibility. But those are the people you trust and align yourself with in preaching the gospel of Reverend Schmidt!

But the fact is there is not one iota of scientific data, research, study, testing, or ANY genuine evidence of efficacy pertaining to anything created or sold by Lifewave. The people at the top of the company are demonstrable and verifiable frauds, phonies and quacks.

World famous astronomer and futurist Carl Sagan said that:

"Precisely because of human fallibility, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And to the extent that extraordinary claims require extraordinary investigations, those investigations must be true to the spirit of science. And that means highly skeptical, demanding, rigorous standards of evidence."

Dr. David Schmidt makes extraordinary claims and provides NO evidence. He defies all of the known laws of science, medicine and physics on the basis of no education or experience in the nanotechnology field. He's a snake oil salesman, a charlatan, a con man and a huckster. And he's your hero!

It's not about me being right or you being wrong - it is about ethics, integrity, science, and law.

It is illegal for Dr. Schmidt to make health claims for his placebo patches and it is illegal for him to market them using multi-level marketing front-loading techniques. If our government wasn't so busy chasing underwear bombers and strip-searching airline passengers, Schmidt would have been sent up the river a long time ago.

You reject every scientific standard of evidence in favor of a religious blind faith in Dr. David Schmidt and his fraudulent company and placebo product line (now including homeopathic health sprays).

Send Schmidt all the money you want! Buy all the patches you want - their name is irrelevant and all of the patches are identical - they only change the name on the package. If Schmidt tells you he has a new patch that grows hair on bald heads, you will believe it. And because you believe it, it will probably work.

The mind is the creator and we create our own reality. Create your own reality - you do not need to pay Dr. David Schmidt to fool you into thinking his goofy little band aids do anything but suck the money out of your wallet while he goes "HOHOHOHOHOHO" all the way to the bank.

Bob
WWSN
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 04:15 PM
The Euros here recently are using the exact same bullet points as creationists use in the good ol' U.S.A.:

1) Science is flawed and just another religion.
2) Science is always changing and so can't be trusted.
3) Science doesn't even understand what gravity is.

Inspector Clauseau is no scientist. Good guess: Programing Analyst = Web Page Designer... 20 years of paragliding = took a lesson 20 years ago and signed up for two more lessons this year.

Einstein's theory of gravity is so well understood that the clocks in GPS satellites must be corrected daily to accommodate the relativistic difference to clocks on earth. Otherwise GPS would not work.

The reason dark matter is now accepted in the standard cosmological model is quite simple: galaxies don't have enough visible mass to keep from flying apart from the well understood forces of angular momentum and gravity - therefore there must be an invisible mass keeping the galaxies in their shapes.

My favorite part from Clauseau is the brown patch toe sammich...wouldn't two patches placed in opposite directions of each other around your toe just cancel out and result in a neutral affect on the human electromagnetic field?
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 05:34 PM
Hou la la, quelle masturbation intellectuelle.
Fred
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 06:36 PM
Clouseau said:

"You will not die if you realize that Dav Schmidt is not a crook"

Whoever believith in Schmidt shall not perish, but shall have ever lasting life in the pyramid.
Pat
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 | 07:32 PM
Aina,
I asked if you had shown the patches to your son's naprapat only because I wondered if you had someone else's opinion of them. In order to treat your son, he will have special qualifications? Any physiotherapist must have much more knowledge than just bones and muscles. Don't be afraid to ask unless you don't want to know the truth. He doesn't need to know much about nanotechnology as that is something that is only 'implied' is in the patches. Lifewave do however admit one patch is a sugar and the other is glucose, another sugar. I have no need to lie to you, just read their literature.

You think maybe I have not tried the patches? Yes I have. I thought I felt some relief for a day. I am not ashamed to admit that. You have to understand my circumstances, the situation in which I was 'patched' and my level of desperation to know why, but I don't wish to air my personal life on an open forum.

Some people have phantom pain from a long since healed injury. The brain can keep sending a pain signal to that area. If you can trick your brain in to switching off the phantom signal it would be ideal to use a placebo. As my injuries are real, the patches don't work for me. Even if they did, I am unable to work and thus afford to spend money I need to survive on this expensive placebo.

I really believe the French man is a seller and he will find any way he can to get free advertising for this product. He says he is a mathematician or some such thing but if he ever was he would know how to do his homework!

If David Schmidt was a real doctor he would have real credentials to his name, all the scientists of the world would bow down to him and would support his claims of nanotechnolgy being so far advanced it can already be used to help humans in any way. Nanotechnology is something of a real possibility but is still being created by the same field of real science and real doctors and professionals HOHO is debunking.

I can't imagine anyone in the health profession in any part of the world would ignore an invention that could perform all the miracles David Schmidt says HE can.

Personally I have never seen these patches in any doctors, dentists or veterinarians surgery since it came on the market and never will as here in Australia scams/MLM's/pyramid selling is not allowed, nor are false claims without proof of ingredients and proof a product performs as it should.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 12:56 AM
As usual our latest batch of believers posts the usual tired old rhetoric.

"None of you have tried the patches therefore you cannot comment."

Well, actually, they are wrong. If they had read this thread they would have read the posts from skeptics who tried the patches with no result.

As I have posted many times before, if I try the patches and they do nothing for me, does it mean the patches don't work? If I try the patches and feel an effect, did the patches cause the effect?

That's why we have the scientific method to check unsubstantiated claims.

Our believers can post until their fingers bleed, but it will make no difference at all to the final outcome for LifeWave.

It's over 6 years since David Schmidt started his scam. He has not been proclaimed as an amazing scientist with a truly life changing product.

If the patches really performed as claimed there would be many studies in scientific journals showing the effects.

6 years on and there are NO such studies.

I wonder why LifeWavers aren't just a little bit curious as to why this is?
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 06:44 PM
FRED a dit :
Einstein's theory of gravity is so well understood that the clocks in GPS, satellites must be corrected daily to accommodate the relativistic difference to clocks on earth. Otherwise GPS would not work.


J'ai pourtant bien expliqu
HOHOHOHO
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 06:45 PM
Traduction (fran
Pat
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 09:09 PM
As I said before, read Lifewave's literature!
They clearly say they are not giving the body anything. Certainly not glutathione.
That possibility is only implied.
There is no glutathione in the patches.
Nothing goes in to the body!
I won't argue with that.
I am happy to KNOW there is nothing in the patches except a bit of sugar just in case a small child or a dog ever picked one up and ate it.
By the way, is their a choking risk warning on the pack?
Fred
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 09:12 PM
Frenchy said:

"And as they say in France, and shit for the King of England has declared war!

As they say in America: "Oh shit!, France has surrendered"
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 10:56 PM
For those looking at this forum thread about the LifeWave patches SCAM for the first time, it will quickly become clear that there are two distinct camps.

The LifeWave "believers" who are mostly distributors and the skeptics who have consistently been posting about this scam since 2005.

We skeptics have been accused of having a "hidden agenda" when, in fact, our agenda has always been transparently clear.

We will continue to post until the sociopath, David, not a doctor or a scientist but does have a 2 year business studies degree from Pace University, Schmidt is held accountable for running a SCAM for 6+ years. Preferably this sociopath will do jail time for lining his pockets with the hard earned cash of the gullible.

Another painfully clear fact is that most, if not all, LifeWave users/distributors demonstrate a level of pure arrogance that cannot be matched.

They have found this miracle and the world of science will just have to catch up with that which cannot be explained by the standard scientific method or the laws of nature.

Our current batch of LifeWavers are among the most arrogant we have seen in some time.

They continue to post the same tired old arguments made here by LifeWavers for many years as though their words were somehow more valuable than those that have come before.

The good thing that always comes out of reading these pearls of wisdom is 1: A good laugh and 2: Further concrete evidence that this is most definitely a SCAM.

To those who have eyes to read and an inquiring mind to sift through the arguments, welcome to the crazy world of LifeWave. If you didn't read about it here you would think someone had made the whole thing up!

Welcome.
AmosMoses
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 | 11:52 PM
It's actually pretty easy to discern whether an individual is in the LifeWaver or Non-LifeWaver camp when you meet them in person.

Representatives of the former are pretty easy to spot - they are the ones that wear homemade tinfoil "mindreader-shield" helmets, "CAUTION! I Break for Space Aliens and Honest Politicians!" T-Shirts, Mood Rings in their genitalia, and "Kick the $hit Outta Me! I am a DUMBA$$!!" signs plastered all over their backs.

The latter group, from which I proudly hail, don't.
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 12:08 AM
P.S. : Pull my finger real, REAL hard, Frenchy, take a deep breath, and test THAT, you poor, deluded, absolutely and totally ignorant, incredibly backward moron.

Baaaaa-Baaaaa Frenchy! How was that Schmidt explained it to you, to "get you on board"?:

"Bend over, grab that soap, hand me your wallet, and then bite down real hard on this piece of leather....it won't hurt too long, I promise! Afterward, you just go home and get your nether regions get back in working order before my next visit, and you let me invest your money for you in the meantime in this new tech company I have got a lead on - SnipeHunt LLC!"

XXOOXXOO
Aina
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 08:35 AM
Pat wrote: Personally I have never seen these patches in any doctors, dentists or veterinarians surgery since it came on the market and never will as here in Australia scams/MLM's/pyramid selling is not allowed, nor are false claims without proof of ingredients and proof a product performs as it should.

Not that its important for the thread, but they are avaialble in Australia. http://www.life-wave-patches.com/Contact.html
Doesn't look like its illegal either:
http://www.networkmarketingaustralia.com.au/
jayessell
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 | 08:52 AM
;-)
To the people USING LifeWave patches...

Did you know they can be recharged over and over again?
Just put them against your iPod, iPad, Smartphone, or other
mobile device while it is recharging.
The nano-antennas in the patches pick up a portion of that
energy returning them to their original energy state.
The iPad can be used at the same time if the pads are placed on the back.
About 90 minutes.

No need to thank me, just knowing you no longer need to
buy additional patches is thanks enough.

Tell all your LifeWave pals!
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