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LifeWave Energy Patches
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Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
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Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm
We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 | 04:53 PM
Joel,
More and more info coming out that the placebo effect can, and often does, give real results.
It's so easy for scam artists to latch on to this simple truth and claim their product works.
Remember the LifeWave early days when they said if the patch didn't work at first drink water!
For those who experienced a placebo effect first time, the patch "worked".
Priceless.
Dave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 | 08:36 PM
LIFEWAVE ANNOUNCES 2011 INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE IN PARIS, FRANCE!
"A new presentation revealing important technology information previously kept secret (did you know there are 43 clinical studies to support LifeWave technology?!)"
OMG Secrets being revealed?
Lucky French. I do hope they share!
http://secure.lifewave.com/pdfs/paris/eng.pdf |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 | 08:45 PM
This is the Canadian Show where Suzanne Somers revealed the "work" on her face.
Apparently the patches just didn't cut it!
http://www.marilyn.ca/HealthFitness/SuzanneSomers.aspx |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 | 08:56 PM
Why does Suzanne need to do anything like stem cells or patches when she's got The FaceMaster!
http://www.facemaster.com/face-makeover/?gclid=CLO-64qfm6kCFcdl7AodSW9ewg
Or...her weight loss program:
http://www.suzannesomers.com/somersize/ |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 | 10:26 AM
<blockquote>"Why does Suzanne need to do anything like stem cells or patches when she's got The FaceMaster!"</blockquote>
Why does she need any of that stuff? She was on Oprah so she must know about
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book)"> The Secret</a>. |
WWSN
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 | 10:43 AM
In his most recent "A Personal Message from... Dr. Dean Clark, D.C." our favorite chiropractor reports on "one impressive application of Glutathione" which was introduced to him by Dr. David Schmidt.
Note, it's not an application of "Y-Age LifeWave Glutathione & Carnisone Patches" - Dr. Clark's words are "one impressive application of Glutathione".
<b>It's called the Dragon Method and I was introduced to it by David Schmidt. The Dragon Method involves placing a Glutathione patch directly on the pain site (the mid-back in this case) and surrounding it with other Glutathione patches in a circular fashion. In this instance, I used six surrounding patches."</b>
I guess the old days where you used one white patch and one tan patch are gone. Now it takes the "Dragon Method" and at least SEVEN patches at the same time!
One thing for sure - it's going to help affiliates earn bigger commissions so they can:
<b>Earn a Ticket to Paradise
First, one of our biggest promotions of the year will be our Ticket to Paradise promotion. Imagine yourself soaking up the warm sun on the fine white sand beaches of Cancun, Mexico while gazing out at the bluest waters of the Caribbean Sea. We want to get you there!
The rules of this promotion are simple: The 20 members who earn the greatest commission totals between January 2 and August 28 will each receive an all-expense paid trip for two to Cancun at an all-inclusive resort, including air fare and a 3-night hotel stay! Dates and specific hotel location will be announced at a later date.
Want to earn your ticket to paradise?
Then it |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 | 11:31 AM
The Dragon Method (7 stupid patches instead of 2) is hilarious.
And make sure your gullible marks buy Lifewave's homepathetic sprays (spelling intentional) and Okolani water to enhance the effect of the 7 patches, and make sure they buy whatever other stupid Lifewave nanopatches, nanocreams, nanowaters, and nanosprays will complement and enhance the first 7 stupid patches.
But whatever you do, don't tell your gullible marks that for only $35 (about the price of those 7 stupid Dragon Method patches) Lifewave's own Lisa Tully promises a magic pain relief spray that is |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 | 01:26 PM
Joel
"Note. No claim is made by 8ight of blocking EMF signals that blow through the body at the speed
of light."
Say what? |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 | 02:17 PM
That sounds like some idiotic statement that Hanchey would make. Only someone with a genuine scientific education and background like Warren would describe that as "EMF signals that <b>blow through the body</b> at the speed of light."
ALL radiation, light, radio, microwave, electromagnetic, EMF, EMR, and WHBS (Warren Hanchey BullShit) waves travel at the speed of light.
What a holographic douche bag he is....
Schmidt and Haltiwanger are phonies, frauds, thieves and crooks...
And Ms. Somers is nothing but a scam promoter and an Internet marketing wh...
Well, I don't want to be too explicit, so let's just say that Suzanne has taken the world's oldest profession to a new low in the virtual Internet world. She will endorse ANYTHING and attach her name to ANY product from the ThighMaster to the FaceMaster. She has absolutely NO credibility, NO ethics, NO integrity and NO morals. She doesn't care how many thousands of people are ripped off and hurt - it's all about making a buck, and anything goes.
Perhaps a decade or two she was sincere and really believed that her pills, potions, and vaginal injections would keep her young. It obviously ain't working - and at this point she is intent on cashing in all of her chips, making a money grab, and destroying whatever reputation she once had with a series of dumb books and endorsements for any snake oil product that will pay her in cash.
She COULD do some good, if she would simply look at the truth about David Schmidt and Lifewave placebo patches. She COULD announce that, after reviewing all of the available information about Schmidt and Lifewave she has come to realize they are nothing but placebo patches and that she will not any longer be a party to such a fraud.
It is quite obvious to anyone and everyone that Y-Age AntiAging patches have not helped repair her own face - they do not work! Wanna really sell some books, get on some TV talk shows and do some good in the world, Suzy?
Write a new book EXPOSING the Lifewave scam along with Hanchey's holographic crap and all the rest. Become a leader for helping people AVOID getting ripped off by these people. |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 | 06:31 PM
I'll second that. |
WWSN
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 | 11:15 PM
Dr. Schmidt is all about the Lifewave "Mission" these days.
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"During these few days, one of the things I am going to take the time to talk to our leaders and members about is the LifeWave mission."
"Our LifeWave members around the world have made a remarkable difference in helping alleviate the suffering of others. Many times, this will happen on a personal level, one life at a time. But in other extraordinary circumstances our members have provided massive relief to people suffering from disasters such as the recent tornadoes in the southern United States."
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What kind of "massive relief" are we talking about here, Dr. Schmidt? Like the distribution of Lifewave patches in New Orleans after Katrina?
<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.info/lwkat.htm" target="_blank">Lifewave President David Schmidt Leads Disaster Relief Effort</a></b>
The "Mission" of Lifewave is the same as it has always been - to fleece as many gullible people as possible through any means necessary. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 | 05:44 PM
Check out this guy talking about Suzanne Somers and her face "treatment"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqBEXajNlWg |
WWSN
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 | 08:54 PM
You're all gonna love this one:
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<b>New IceWave Study Completed in Italy</b>
Italian researchers have made an important new discovery: a recently completed IceWave study suggests that the pain relief effects of the IceWave patches are a result of a biochemical response in the body that causes a reduction in inflammation.
Researchers used a tool called the <b>Bioexplorer Method</b>, a non-invasive technology that is capable of detecting activity in the major cerebral areas as well as the major organs and systems of the body, to assess active biochemical processes. The study also examined perception of pain using a subjective test called <b>QUID</b> (an Italian pain questionnaire). The QUID test showed a significant reduction in pain perception.
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Gosh, who hasn't heard of the "Bioexplorer Method"? That's standard medical technology, no doubt. Even better, the "Quid test" examines the "perception of pain using a subjective test".
Where would modern medical science be without a test to "examine the perception of pain using a subjective test"? But wait!
The conclusion from all of this pseudoscience and New Age quackery?
<b>"Perhaps most importantly, the patches were shown to cause a reduction in levels of biochemical markers of inflammation.
Additionally, this reduction was maintained not only throughout the time of application, but even after suspension of use, |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 | 02:21 PM
Bob,
Holy cow. That Bioexplorer is strong stuff.
"Do not plug in the dongle before installation..."
Not sure what they are messing around with dongles for but that's modern science for you!
http://www.eeginfo.ch/en/neurofeedback/support/technical-infos-faq/bioexplorer-configuration.html
"Very popular but unfortunately not possible on all machines is the so-called theater mode,..."
Well, that's right up David Schmidt's street.
His entire scam has been exquisite theater right out of the box with a plethora of paid actors trying to convince the paying audience that they are something they are not! |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 | 10:02 PM
<b>BioExplorer Method</b> - That is absolutely hilarious.
As of right now, the only organic hits on Google for that term are this Hoax Forum page and Lifewave pages.
I guess the BioExplorer Method hasn't been heard of previously, let alone accepted, by the scientific community.
What a joke. Still, some people are dumb enough to fall for this crapola. |
jayessell
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 | 05:44 AM
I didn't read the document, but I did search for the word 'blind'.
I found this:
Excerpts from the pdf
INVESTIGATIVE STUDY
OF BIOCHIMICAL EFFECTS OF LIFEWAVE PATCHES
USING BIO-EXPLORER <i>TECNOLOGY</i> <translation spelling error
The obtained results from this pilot study confirm the efficacy of LifeWave IceWave
products as pain personal perception obtained in other previous studies [27, 28, 29,
30, 31].
That proves it then.
Oh wait....
27. DeRock L. IceWave pain study on horses experiencing abnormalities in the musculoskeletal
system. March 2010 <b>www.lifewave.com</b>
28. Austin T, Nazeran H. IceWave Patches reduce quantitative and qualitative measures of
pain. LifeWave study. August 2009. <b>www.lifewave.com</b>
29. Brandimarte B, Micarelli A, Alessandrini M, La Bella L, Pietropaoli G. Lifewave scientific
study by means o fan NM4 gauge. LifeWave Study Italy, May 2010. <b>www.lifewave.com</b>
30. Miller TF, Hollenback AE. A double-blind, placebo controller clinical efficacy evaluation of a
patch to soothe knee pain. Essex Testing Clinic, Inc. March 2010. <b>www.lifewave.com</b>
31. Clark D., DC; Haltiwanger S., MD CCN; Salvatore Palomares; Summary of IceWave Clinical
Research Study |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 | 10:42 AM
PART I
Razela,
"I can't believe it's been over 6 years before this forum was first started. How the hell has lifewave been able to get away with their scam this long????"
Interesting you should say over 6 years.
David Schmidt has shown us over the years that a "fact" is just something you say or print as being "true".
Not content with just over 6 years, Schmidt has now announced a new figure...over 9 years!
Bob at WWSN recently sent me a link to a radio program featuring Schmidt and "Dr." Karen Kan, one of LifeWave's "ambassadors".
Yes, it was one of those internet stations where you buy time to promote your particular scam.
http://www.eldontaylor.com/
Eldon touts his particular range of self help books on an internet radio station called "Hay House Radio"
http://www.hayhouseradio.com/
It's a station devoted to authors of self help books!
Eldon's "Provocative Enlightenment Radio Show" certainly vies for the title of "Most Pretentious Title for a Radio Show".
The LifeWave show was broadcast 4/19/2011
http://www.eldontaylor.com/provocative-enlightenment-radio-show/2011-04-19-lifewave-staying-young-and-full-of-energy.html
Eldon right away discounts himself as a serious investigative reporter as he is "good friends" with Karen Kan and describes her as an "incredibly talented athlete". Karen does a bit of ice skating in the "adult" section i.e. Amateur level equivalent to juvenile level in the real ice skating world! She also has her own internet radio show...
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drkaren
Cut to 6.43 for the start of the show.
Cut to 20.01 where Eldon talks about Kirlian Photography further devaluing any credibility he might once have had.
See PART II |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 | 11:05 AM
Razela,
PART II
Cut to 24.01 to hear David Schmidt explain what's in the patches and how they work. He's back to the light emitting explanation here!
Cut to 23.24 to hear Schmidt drivel on about why his Patent application was denied.
Cut to 26.57 where Eldon asks about the SCAM aspect. WWSN is mentioned here and David says the company was started in 2004.
CHECK OUT 28.46 Schmidt state "Er, Today, er, now 9 years later, after the beginning of the company, we have 43 clinical studies that we've completed that show the science behind this and , in fact, we have 7 clinical studies that have been published in peer review."
Yep, that's how easy it is to LIE when you are a SOCIOPATH.
So, Razela, that's a long way to let you know that according to Schmidt, it's been over 9 years, not 6! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 | 11:15 AM
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Research/Research-GlutathionePatchesImprove.pdf
Mentioned in the radio program as "proof" of legitimacy.
Duh! |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 | 02:58 PM
<i>"Cut to 23.24 to hear Schmidt drivel on about why his Patent application was denied."</i>
Schmidt claims on that audio that his patent application was denied because the Patent Office believed that Lifewave was "putting chemicals into the body."
That's not exactly true. The Patent Office does not care one iota what Lifewave is or is not actually selling. The Patent Office's rejection was essentially, to summarize and simplify:
"The way you've worded your patent application, what you're <i>claiming</i> in the application as your invention is a patch with certain ingredients in it, period. You haven't specified one way or the other whether it's transdermal or not, and transdermal patches with those ingredients have been done before. So application denied.
"If, on the other hand, you want to confine yourself specifically to a <i>non-transdermal patch</i> as being your invention, you need to say so clearly. Only then will do the analysis as to whether a non-transdermal patch containing those ingredients has been done before, or would have been obvious to do." |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 | 03:13 PM
Bob/WWSN,
Although Karen Kan is a con woman/idiot (take your pick), whether she is a good ice skater or not has, of course, no correlation to whether her endorsement of those stupid Lifewave patches is credible.
Lamar Odom is a very talented professional basketball player, one of my favorite Lakers. But that doesn't mean that his endorsement of the Power Balance bracelet was anything other than a con man or dumb jock (take your pick) trying to make some extra money. Athletes are not known for their smarts, or necessarily for their integrity either.
BTW, the Power Balance people had to modify their claims and offer a full refund to all purchasers after they and their paid endorsers Lamar Odom and Shaq were hit with a nationwide class action lawsuit accusing their ridiculous bracelet of being a scam. As the company's general counsel Nina Freeland-Ringel confessed, "[We] concede we may have gotten ahead of ourselves with claims about our first product. |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 | 03:28 PM
Good comments above. Here is what I sent to Dr. Schmidt, Karen Kan and Eldon Taylor today:
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Dear Lifewave promoters and affiliates-
Since all three of you have refused to have a professional discussion over the issues presented previously regarding David Schmidt's phony placebo patches, I have registered four new domains, which will all forward to the "LifewaveScam.com" web site:
DrDavidSchmidt.info
KarenKan.info
EldonTaylor.info
SuzanneSomers.info
I know that "David Schmidt" is not a doctor, but that doesn't seem to bother Eldon, Suzanne, Karen or anyone else (remember, David signed his patent application as "Dr. David Schmidt"), so I thought I would join the crowd.
I will also be posting photos and background information pertaining to Karen Kan's status as a Lifewave sales affiliate shill and New Age quack, and Eldon Taylor's phony-baloney radio show in which he promotes scams and fraudulent products and refuses to do any real investigation into the products and people and scams he helps to advertise and promote. In many ways, Eldon is the worst of the bunch because his vanity product endorsement show enables frauds and scams to survive and legitimizes phony doctors such as David Schmidt.
Over the next few days I will be adding content to the "LifewaveScam.com" web site and submitting these four new domains to Google, Bing.com, Yahoo.com and Ask.com. Hopefully, people searching for health advice, products, services and information will learn to avoid the phonies, frauds and scammers making money from selling worthless placebo patches to people in pain.
You should all be ashamed. You are all generating a LOT of bad karma and hurting thousands of innocent and gullible people.
Robert Burtis
LifewaveScam.com
The WorldWide Scam Network
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Schmidt is immune to bad publicity (or at least he thinks so). Somers, Kan, and Taylor might see the great potential for damage to their fragile and fraudulent Internet reputations if people begin searching for them and end up on the LifewaveScam.com web site instead.
Live by the patch, die by the patch, eh?
I only hope they start threatening legal action. That would be a bonanza of bad publicity for these scammers and I would love it!
Bob
WWSN |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 | 07:06 PM
Eldon Taylor appears to be a frequent guest on "Coast to Coast AM" hosted by George Noory. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/taylor-eldon/38286.
Well that certainly gives Eldon Taylor some credibility - being a frequent guest on the same radio program whose recurring topics include ghosts, crop circles and energy vortexes (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/08/10), the government deliberately poisoning us by chemtrails sprayed from the sky (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/10/11), alien implants (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/alien-implants-photo-video), remote viewing (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/01/04), and parallel universes (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2007/10/04).
I suspect that Eldon Taylor, Karen Kan, Suzanne Somers, and David Schmidt have all suffered a few too many alien anal probes. |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 | 09:05 PM
<b>HEALTH CRACKPOT AND AWFUL-PLASTIC-SURGERY POSTER CHILD SUZANNE SOMERS SAYS CHEMOTHERAPY, NOT PANCREATIC CANCER, KILLED PATRICK SWAYZE</b>
Suzanne Somers claims that Patrick Swayze was killed by chemotherapy. "They took a beautiful man" and "put poison in his body." "Why couldn't they have built him up nutritionally and gotten rid of the toxins?"
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/holistic_hoo_ha_vARabuMuZS5Cz1ja2EiEcO
Yeah, why not just get rid of the toxins? It would be soooooo simple, you stupid Stanford Cancer Center doctors.
Sigh . . . Where to begin?
But interesting to note that she says that Swayze could have been saved by eating right, not by wearing Lifewave's supposed toxin-flushing patches.
Anybody want to bet that the next time that a relative of Suzanne Somers gets cancer, that she doesn't tell that person to forgo chemotherapy in favor of wearing Lifewave patches? |
WWSN
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 | 08:58 AM
I sent self-proclaimed radio guru Eldon Taylor this e-mail today:
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Hi, Eldon-
For a guy who tells us:
<em>"Join Eldon Taylor on Provocative Enlightenment, where nothing is too sacred to be discussed and everything is aimed at dissecting what it means to be spiritually aware in the 21st century."</em>
You are very quiet when it comes to discussing and dissecting the truth about Dr. David Schmidt and your friend Lifewave affiliate Karen Kan.
Have you really looked at my philosophical web site project:
<a href="http://riverofdreams.net" target="_blank">The River of Dreams</a>
I believe that miraculous things are possible in a world of infinite possibilities. But you have to be an idiot to believe in Dr. David Schmidt.
You're radio interview with Schmidt was a softball vanity puff piece that was a violation of the premise behind your show. You couldn't even challenge his claim to be a "doctor" in his Lifewave patches patent application! Your statement to Dr. Schmidt:
<b>"There are some condemning remarks about you (David Schmidt) and your patches made by the WorldWide Scam Network and they're all over the Internet... If you search Lifewave one of the first things that comes up is this nonsense."</b>
Reveals your prejudice and demonstrates that you and Karen Kan are complicit co-conspirators in the promotion of this pseudoscientific placebo patch scam.
I've added your names and web sites to the <b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> keyword meta tags and will continue to submit this information to Google and other Internet search engines. If you are willing to betray your own high ideals by supporting and promoting these phony patches and the phony doctors Dr. David Schmidt and Dr. Karen Kan, it is my job and duty to reveal the truth about you and your bogus radio show to the Internet consumer.
Enjoy this new YouTube video which discusses the way in which Y-Age AEON Anti-Aging Patches from LifeWave have enhanced the youth and beauty of Lifewave Ambassador and New Age health expert charlatan Suzanne Somers:
<b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqBEXajNlWg" target="_blank">What's With Suzanne Somers's Face?</a></b>
These are the people you have chosen as your friends and associates on the Internet. You have sold out your integrity, credibility and soul to a bunch of snake oil frauds and phonies.
If you believe in karma, you are generating a lot of bad...
Robert Burtis
The WorldWide Scam Network
LifewaveScam.com |
Joel
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 | 02:02 PM
Bob, you're not shy. I salute your calling people out on their B.S.
Speaking of karma, remember that Suzanne Somers got cancer and that her Malibu home burned to the ground in 2007. I do not believe in mystical magic karma that would give people cancer and cause wildfires to burn their homes. But self-proclaimed "spiritual" and "enlightened" people like Eldon Taylor who do believe in that kind of karma and divine intervention (http://www.choicesandillusions.com/) might draw the conclusion that . . . |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 | 03:26 PM
Joel and Bob,
Right about now Eldon Taylor is calling Bob something that rhymes with Bar Steward!
Dave |
Joel
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 | 07:54 PM
Hey, I like this Eldon Taylor guy. He describes himself as follows:
<i><b>Eldon Taylor's Biography</b>
Eldon Taylor has made a lifelong study of the human mind. . . Eldon was a practicing criminalist for over ten years while completing his education. He supervised and conducted . . . testing to detect deception.</i> http://www.choicesandillusions.com/
Elsewhere, he claims that he "specialized in . . . lie detection." http://www.innertalk.com/eldon/eldoncv.html
Sooooooooo, Mr. Taylor, if you're a lie detection expert, in your expert opinion was "Dr." David Schmidt lying when he talked about what his patches do and how they work? Was he lying when he called himself "Dr." David Schmidt? Go ahead, put your credibility on the line. We're dying to hear your expert opinion.
So this Eldon Taylor guy claims to have 5 separate doctoral degrees (http://www.innertalk.com/eldon/eldoncv.html). WOW, five! He supposedly got a doctorate in the philosophy of hypnotherapy from the American Institute of Hypnotherapy in Santa Ana, California. Hmmmm . . . There is currently no such fine institute of higher learning, as far as I can tell.
He also supposedly received a doctorate in metaphysics from the University of Metaphysics in Los Angeles (http://www.metaphysics.com/). That would appear to be an unaccredited, mail order diploma mill that does not even have a Los Angeles address at this point in the space-time continuum.
The clowns just keep coming and coming out of that little Lifewave car . . .
BTW, how the heck do you get a doctorate in metaphysics, and exactly what does that qualify you to do? I mean, really. |
Fred
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 | 03:51 PM
If you've ever seen the Khloe and Lamar reality show, you gotta think that the high school buddy "Jamie" was probably in charge of the power bracelet deal. Jamie is the tool that Lamar supports for life out of childhood loyalty.
Joel said:
"Lamar Odom is a very talented professional basketball player, one of my favorite Lakers. But that doesn't mean that his endorsement of the Power Balance bracelet was anything other than a con man or dumb jock (take your pick) trying to make some extra money. Athletes are not known for their smarts, or necessarily for their integrity either." |
Mat
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 | 10:04 PM
Just got done talking to a lifewave rep. I'm a guitarest and I have frequent pain in my right hand. I am wearing the patches on my right hand and over the cyst on my right wrist.... I feel... I feel... absolutly the same as I did earler today. I've read through the entire instructional packet and through the entire website and I have been convinced of nothing.
Keep rocking LifeWave I'm sure there are millions of people you can sell boxes of sticky paper to for 30 plus dollars. However, I won't be one of them.
Oh and I keep hearing the Lance Armstrong argument, yet I see no testamonial* from Mr.Armstrong. |
Mat
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 | 10:14 PM
Oh wait never mind it's kicking in now... I feel a burt of energy, I'm alert awake and ready to party.... Darn it I just spilled the rest of my coffee. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 | 06:05 PM
Mat in U.S
Nice one Mat.
Of course, you now realize that 1. There are no LifeWave reps. Only LifeWave scam artists.
2. LifeWave works on the principle that if you feel an effect, the patch did it. If you don't feel an effect...it's your fault!
Welcome to the LifeWave insanity and remember that they claim to offer a money back guarantee. Please let us know how that goes.
Good luck, Mat.
Dave |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 | 08:54 PM
Mat,
Thanks for posting. Lifewave reps have gone on record in the past as saying that if you feel no effect, then (a) you must suffer from reverse polarity, or (b) you're not a finely tuned enough athlete to feel an effect. Perhaps your Lifewave rep will add a third possibility, to wit that (c) you're not a good enough guitar player. |
WWSN
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 | 08:00 PM
Lifewave chiropractor quack Dean Clark has now announced that their placebo "Energy Enhancer" patches also cure allergy symptoms:
"I had the privilege of working with a number of athletes, two of whom won national championship titles in their events |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 | 01:48 PM
Bob, Thanks for the heads up about Dean Clark.
He's quite the expert on muscle testing, I see!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN4HXdrtr5w
Not too keen on him taking part in the 2012 Olympics as a "professional" to the Track & Field Team.
http://acupuncture-patches.blogspot.com/p/from-dr-dean-clark-dc-official.html
"In 2012, I will have the honor of traveling to London to serve as an official chiropractor for the United States Olympic Track & Field Team. My own personal background is what ultimately led me to this fortunate position."
I think a few probing emails might be in order.
http://www.usatf.org/about/directory/index.asp
Cheers! |
Joel
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 | 02:50 PM
<b>THE 140 DISEASES AND CONDITIONS THAT LIFEWAVE CLAIMS THAT ITS PATCHES TREAT</b>
Bob, |
Joel
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 | 02:50 PM
That |
wochater
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 | 04:29 PM
Hi, I take your point that lifewave could be a hoax operation; as suggested above, I did a search on pubmed for lifewave and found this link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=lifewave
WHICH LEADS TO THIS BIGGER ITEM. I was unable to download the full article, but found this longer abstract which seems to suggest there may be a basis fot lifewave claims. Perhaps someone could follow this through?? I also searched for S Haltiwanger; found plenty by RS Haltiwanger from New York, a different person???
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1615745
Effect of Novel Nanoscale Energy Patches on Spectral and Nonlinear Dynamic Features of Heart Rate Variability Signals in Healthy Individuals during Rest and Exercise
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Nazeran, H.; Chatalapalli, S.; Krishnam, R.;
Dept. of Electr. & Comput. Eng., Texas Univ., El Paso, TX
This paper appears in: Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society, 2005. IEEE-EMBS 2005. 27th Annual International Conference of the
Issue Date: 17-18 Jan. 2006
On page(s): 5563 - 5567
Location: Shanghai
Print ISBN: 0-7803-8741-4
References Cited: 8
INSPEC Accession Number: 9208857
Digital Object Identifier: 10.1109/IEMBS.2005.1615745
Date of Current Version: 10 April 2006
Abstract
LifeWave energy patches are novel nanoscale semiconducting biomolecular antennas, that when placed in the oscillating bioelectromagnetic field of the body, resonate at frequencies in unison with certain biomolecules in the cells and signal specific metabolic pathways to accelerate fat metabolism. As a consequence of accelerated fat burning more cellular energy becomes readily available to support all bodily energy-consuming functions. Heart rate variability refers to the beat-to-beat variation in heart rate (HR) and is modulated largely by the autonomic nervous system via changes in the balance between parasympathetic and sympathetic influences. Since short-term variations in HR reflect sympathetic nervous activity, they provide useful non-invasive markers for assessing autonomic control under various physiologic states and conditions. To evaluate the effect of LifeWave energy patches on HRV signals, pilot data from healthy volunteers were collected under three different conditions during rest and exercise using a BIOPAC system. The HRV signal was derived from pre-processed ECG signals using an enhanced Hilbert transform (EHT) algorithm with built-in missing beat detection capability for reliable QRS detection. Autoregressive (AR) modeling of the HRV signal power spectrum was achieved and different parameters from power spectrum as well as approximate entropy were calculated for comparison. Poincare plots were then used as a visualization tool to highlight the variations in HRV signals before and after exercise under normal conditions and under the influence of placebo and energy patches. In this paper, for the first time, we present the spectral features and approximate entropy of the HRV signals in healthy individuals during rest, exercise, with placebo, and with energy patches. The results demonstrate that LifeWave energy patches have significant and clearly distinguishable effects on these important HRV signal features. These exciting results warrant comprehensi- - ve investigations to study the effects of these energy patches under different physical and health conditions in a large number of subjects in different age groups
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wochater
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 | 05:34 PM
Hi,
My last post was a bit too premature. I also googled with these words "Nanoscale Energy Patches research" and came up with the entry below. In the earlier pubmed article, Nazaran provided an email address. I emailed him and my email bounced.
However, I googled him and found this info; I have re-emailed him and await his reply:
Dr. Homayo Nazeran-Esfahani
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR-ELECTRICAL & COMPUTER ENGINEER
Contact address 500 W. University Ave., El Paso, TX 79968 Office LocationESC-ENGINEERING BUILDING, Room No.: A317
Email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) Contact Number 915 7476955 faculty website faculty website
Keywords Intelligent Biomedical Instrumentation; Physiological Systems Modeling; Biomedical Signal Processing
I have also emailed him here - .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) - so far has not bounced. Await his response.
If he replies, the posting below from elsewhere may be a premature entry:
http://www.worldwidescam.info/shanghai.htm |
jayessell
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 | 06:04 PM
I hope I'm not off topic, but The Googles, they DO do something!
The Lifewave PBS video, long thought withdrawn by PBS , is back on YouTube.
The first part anyway. 10 minutes.
American Health Journal Special Report
Discoveries in Alternative Medicine
Hosted by Roger Cooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsQl0s2VCM0
Many related videos.
Here, not so much:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKSxWOk_QTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlTRVkaLPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yaxsNUA3E
Thanks The Problem Solvers!
http://the-problemsolvers.com/679965/lifewave-on-pbs |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 | 08:40 PM
wochater in UK
"Hi, I take your point that lifewave could be a hoax operation..."
Thanks for posting but, clearly you haven't read much of this thread. Every item you mention has been covered in 6 years of intense research about this particular SCAM by a number of people, me included.
We would ALL love to find such a "magic" product but unfortunately it doesn't exist. Not yet anyway.
You need to carry out your research before posting. It'll save you a great deal of time, I promise.
Dave |
wochater
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 02:37 AM
Dave, Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated. There are 280 pages posted in this blog - take dsys to work through them all. If this is so clearly a scam, are there not misdiscription laws in the country of origin to prosecute for mis-selling and have them closed down? Or in your country?
I did receive a reply from Dr. Homayo Nazeran-Esfahani "Thanks for your interest in my research.
For medical treatment please talk to your clinician. For publication updates refer to the company website. Best wishes, HN"
There is one other research paper listed in PubMed which does involve a placebo sample. The alleged benefits "for peak torque (p = 0.04)" could be purely co-incidental by touching a pressure point which may have benefits as opposed to the patch. Again contacted them for follow-up research; but no reply so far. :
J Strength Cond Res. 2008 May;22(3):869-73.
Assessment of the effectiveness of nontransdermal energy patches on muscle endurance and power.
Jacobson BH, Smith DB, Stemm JD, Warren AJ, O'Brien MS, Glass RG.
Source
Department of Health and Human Performance, School of Applied Health and Educational Psychology, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Abstract
Claims of recently developed energy patches suggest that organic nanoscale biomolecular "antennas" produced by L and D-stereoisomers resonate at frequencies in unison with molecules in the cells inducing electron flow to assists in recruiting calcium ions, allowing greater muscle fiber recruitment during muscle contraction. The purpose of the study was to assess the efficacy of energy patches in the performance of selected muscle power and endurance measures. After a 5-minute warm-up and stretch, 41 college varsity football players (age, 20.37 +/- 1.24 years; height, 169.91 +/- 7.44 cm; weight, 109.45 +/- 19.85 kg) were pre-tested on 102-kg maximal bench press repetitions, standing vertical jump, grip strength, peak torque, torque to body weight, total work, average power, and average torque as measured by 50 repetitions of leg extensions at 180 degrees .s. The following week, the players were randomly assigned the experimental or placebo patches. After placement of the patches, the participants again completed a 5-minute warm-up, followed by the identical pre-test protocol. Repeated-measures ANOVAs were used to compare resultant data. No significant group interaction effects were found between experimental and placebo patches for maximal bench press repetitions (p = 0.48), vertical jump distance (p = 0.39), grip strength (p = 0.29), total work (p = 0.26), torque to body weight (p = 0.05), average peak torque (p = 0.08), and average power (p = 0.05). A significant increase occurred in the experimental group for peak torque (p = 0.04). It was concluded that the energy patches significantly improved performance over placebo patches in one of the eight variables tested and registered near significance in two additional variables. However, inconsistency in overall results demands further studies to determine the reliability in improvement of performance in the presence of energy patches. PMID: 18438228 PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 04:35 AM
wochater.
Yes there are many pages and these pages contain everything you have posted so far.
Please don't take offense at my words, but posting information that is already in this hoax forum thread serves no purpose.
As for why this scam is still going, that's a good question.
Australia has already stopped online advertising of claims made by distributors.
The USA is a land of opportunity and there are many examples of scams being conducted in broad daylight.
Try looking up Peter Popoff and his miracle water. That will make you wonder!
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/824312/ |
Pat
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 07:10 AM
Just when I thought it was nearly over, they are advertising on a country radio station in Victoria and will be having a couple of meetings/pain management demonstrations at the golf club there on the 13th of this month. There are a couple more distributors on the net also. They are also having weekly meetings in NSW...every Thursday. |
Pat
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 07:30 AM
I am so angry. I have researched this 'company' every which way I can and all I read said they were not allowed to advertise in Australia and Australians are only allowed to import enough for personal use, 3 months supply only due to the misleading and false claims of it being a medical device. I am guessing this is why they came up with the idea of many different looking packages claiming it to be for different purposes. You can then buy 3 months supply of each one even though it is the same damn thing! So somebody must be buying in bulk somehow or dare I say smuggling it in to the country. I have friends who can help me sort out the radio station promoting this junk but need to first check on the legalities again I guess. Maybe something has changed!! |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 10:50 AM
wochater in UK:
Welcome to the forum. I am glad to see a new person posting here who rolls up his sleeve to do the research and post his findings.
And I am very glad to see someone contacting Homer Nazeran directly to ask about his "research" and his association with Lifewave. As you found out, he doesn't really like to talk about it. But I highly encourage you to keep after him until he actually answers your questions. Please continue to post his responses and/or his evasions.
Here is one of the pages on which posters on this thread discussed Nazeran before, and even challenged him directly, in response to which he wilted like a wet noodle. When challenged, he couldn |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 11:40 AM
<b> THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE EIS SCAM ELECTRO-GIZMO FALSELY CLAIMED THAT THEY HAVE A U.S. PATENT</b>
The Electro Interstritial Scan (EIS) scam electrogizmo, which Lifewave has used to supposedly validate its scam patches (see the links in my post above), at least previously claimed that they have received |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 11:50 AM
Joel,
Am I remembering right about one Nazeran "presentation" at a conference actually being him outside in the lobby sitting on a chair by the side of his chart on a stand?
Dave |
Joel
Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 12:32 PM
Dave, that's something that Bob at WWSN had posted regarding the first "paper" about Lifewave that Nazeran had supposedly presented at a conference in Shanghai. I have no information about that myself. |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 01:02 PM
Welcome, wochater, and we all appreciate that you are performing your own due diligence and looking at the Lifewave patches as objectively as possible.
Here are three web pages I have posted that discuss and/or reference Dr. Nazeran and his "studies" of Lifewave patches:
<b><a
href="http://www.worldwidescam.info/nazeran1.htm" target="_blank">The First Lifewave Study From Dr. Nazeran</a>
<a href="http://www.worldwidescam.info/shanghai.htm" target="_blank">Dr. Homayoun Nazeran and a Sneak Peek at His Lifewave Paper</a>
<a href="http://www.worldwidescam.info/inresponse.htm" target="_blank">"In Defense of Lifewave"</a></b>
We welcome any comments or observations you might have in this regard.
Bob
WWSN<b>
<a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> |
Joel
Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 03:07 PM
wochater,
Thanks also for this reference to a Lifewave "study":
J Strength Cond Res. 2008 May;22(3):869-73.
Assessment of the effectiveness of nontransdermal energy patches on muscle endurance and power.
Jacobson BH, Smith DB, Stemm JD, Warren AJ, O'Brien MS, Glass RG.
For a quick critique of this "study" see one guy Jack Medina's comments at <b><a href="http://www.jackmedina.com/newsletter/april-2009.htm" target = "_blank">Does the Electromagnetic Patch Work?</a></b> in which he concludes, "The ideas behind the patch are so full of holes that they can never be patched up!" |
LEE
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 05:28 PM
I tried the patches and they are pure bunk
My partner tried them and found them to be pure bunk
Two of our friends tried them and found they are pure bunk
I had originally heard about them through friends who do a strange type of chiropractic called "Net-work" They press on different spots on your body and it's supposed to fix your subluxations (too long to go into)
Any way, one of the stories they told us is that one of then got really sick when they were on vacation.....really sick like dying. There was no given diagnosis.
They used some of the pads and it didn't help so they were told or decided on their own (can't remember) to use a whole pack of one of the pads placed over some portion of the patients chest and by the next day there was a miraculous cure
First of all they were in some South American country hospital so I don't even remember if they knew what was wrong
Second, they used one or more packs without even opening them (that |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 | 08:56 PM
Thanks Lee,
Not too many people take the time to state they were scammed by sociopath David Schmidt.
6 plus years and he's still selling the patches.
The USA doesn't really care too much about scams.
Look at Peter Popoff.
James Randi exposed this guy a while back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y
He layed low for a few years and is now back on TV with his latest SCAM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11LYAuY1Ao
Seems that America is more interested in free enterprise, albeit ANY free enterprise, than quality services or products. |
HOHOHOHO
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 04:59 AM
French translation of the text in the following message for reasons of space:
J'UTILISE LES PATCHS LIFEWAVE DEPUIS 3 ANS.
J'atteste personnellement de leurs remarquables efficacit |
HOHOHOHO
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 05:00 AM
Here is the translation of writing the preceding message written in French
I use the LifeWave patches for 3 years.
I certify personally their remarkable efficiencies.
It's not because we are convinced that a product can not work it is doing something right. Their outburst in this forum, against:
1) lifewave
2) patches
3) and even against users sincere
conduct of lies and witch-hunting.
Then I'll bring some of "my light" in this jumble of intellectual drivel.
But it is sure to purely intellectual logic, testimonials like mine are useless. Only for those who can separate fact from fiction. Indeed, my experience of the patches is at the fundamental level of direct experimentation on myself. And experience will always be more likely that the beliefs of those pseudo intellectual denial.
But as I say, my experience will avail them nothing ... if it will serve to prove they are right because obviously I'm a "naive" and "placebo" effect on me since last 3 |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 05:39 AM
LifeWave just had a conference in Paris, oui? |
HOHOHOHO
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 06:07 AM
Je ne sais pas si la question pos |
AmosMoses
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 06:49 AM
"Dave, that's something that Bob at WWSN had posted regarding the first "paper" about Lifewave that Nazeran had supposedly presented at a conference in Shanghai."
Hmmmm...Shanghai. Now, THAT'S one helluva perfect location to scam...Uhhhn, I mean sell... Lifewave patches!
"A'fore I knowed it, I done been SHANGHAIed!" |
AmosMoses
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 06:51 AM
Hell, I think I may apply for the exclusive rights to sell LifeWave VooDoo Patches in New Orleans!
Fresh eye of newt,
Dried toe of frog,
Add a little powdered horn of ram,
Apply under a duct tape "patch" and whaddya get?
JUST ONE MORE LIFEWAVE SCAM!
Mo-Jo, Voo-Doo,
Bullschmidt's full of Poo-Poo! |
HOHOHOHO
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 | 07:25 AM
ENGLISH AT THE END:
J'ai pourtant bien parl |
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