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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 | 05:56 PM
I am always amused by the Lifewave supporters who admonish people to keep an open mind, while accepting without blinking and then regurgitating as unassailable fact what "Dr. David Schmidt" says.

I mean, the one thing that we know for sure about "Dr. David Schmidt" is that he is willing to make false claims (e.g., to being a doctor) if he believes that doing so will be to his economic benefit. Why is that the one person on this planet that some people choose to place their trust in? Of all people.

Meanwhile, some of them conclude that the skeptics who post here must surely be part of a vast, pharmaceutical wing conspiracy to suppress Dr. Schmidt's revolutionary invention.

You gotta love it.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 | 08:36 PM
EDHUK (Dave?),

I don't know why I even responded to Ashley. As you very well know, there have been countless others just like her on this thread over the years. We just seem to keep going in circles.
the real deal
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 | 01:27 AM
I don't know if you guys have actually tried the product or not, it doesn't seem like it. My son had bad eczema and so I thought I might try it and by the next day after putting the patch on him, the redness was gone, the skin was smooth again and he wasn't suffering. At first I didn't know how this product would work but it did and its amazing. It made me a believer
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 | 12:13 PM
the real deal

"I don't know if you guys have actually tried the product or not, it doesn't seem like it."

Clearly, you haven't read this forum thread.

Please stop wasting out time with your "testimonial".
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 | 03:33 PM
I started feeding my cat a new flavor of food, and within 2 days my cold went away. It made me a believer!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 | 05:20 PM
Joel, funny you should say that. The very same thing happened to me. I wonder if it was the same brand?
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 | 10:55 AM
The testimonials are piling up.

EDHUK, there are some narrow minded people out there who might deride us because, in their narrow Western thinking, there is no logical scientific connection between a particular flavor of cat food and whether the owner's cold goes away.

But you and I both know that for those of us who choose the path of true enlightenment, that enlightenment comes from giving credence to personal testimonials, and ignoring all other logic, reasoning and science, including reasoning such as, "If that cat food flavor really cured colds and acne and autism and snoring and failing eyesight and sleeplessness and facial wrinkles, and gives instant strength and stamina, all by merely by being somewhere near the owner as 'Dr.' Friskies claims, by now after 8+ years wouldn't . . . ?"

By ignoring all that, you and I are pretty special people, aren't we EDHUK?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 | 11:51 AM
Joel

I just knew you were going to say Friskies!!!
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 | 05:23 PM
Could you guys send me some of that magic cat food? I don't have a cold, but maybe it will help prevent them too!
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 | 06:05 PM
Bob (WWSN):

Wow, that's interesting. Thanks for that link. The report at your link states:

<i>"[S]cientists have documented that 30 percent to 40 percent of patients will report feeling better or will show <b>documented improvement of symptoms</b> even when unknowingly taking a placebo."</i> (emphasis added)

So if I'm reading this correctly, the placebo effect not only makes a patient subjectively <i>feel</i> better, but actually makes the patient exhibit improved conditions as <i>objectively manifested and measured</i>, even when the patient knows that he's taking a useless sugar pill. Or dare I point out . . . even when the patient knows that he's taping to his body a useless sealed plastic sugar patch.
LEE WALSH
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 | 07:17 PM
I have tried them
It's not cheap
They don't work
There are a lot of reasons for skin disorders to come and go
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 | 07:44 AM
WWSN,
Shouldn't these people be worried about unintended "immediate effects"? Couldn't they just as easily be less energy, worse sleep, advanced aging or instant death?
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 | 08:26 PM
Bob, that would be great sport to watch. But in order to proceed with such a case, the plaintiff would have to show by scientific that are "generally accepted" by the scientific community that the patches caused his negative reaction(s). <i>Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals</i>, 509 U.S. 579 (1993) and <i>Kumho Tire Co. v. Carmichael</i>, 526 U.S. 137 (1999) together established that legal principle.

But that raises interesting questions:

1. Could a plaintiff proceed even without such a scientific showing by pointing out that Schmidt himself claims that the patches raise glutathione levels, and thus that fact should be conclusively established or at least evidenced by the defendant's own admission? After that, the plaintiff might only need to show a causal link between glutathione overdose and his adverse reaction(s) because Schmidt admitted the rest.

2. Perhaps the plaintiff could scientifically show that the placebo effect(s) include some actual adverse effects. No doubt, given the power of the mind to affect the body, there must be some negative placebo effects, even when the patient believes that the placebo he's taking does him all good and no harm.
jayessell
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 | 03:24 PM
Joel....

I'm sure I've posted this before, but....

http://cectic.com/003.html
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 | 04:35 PM
WWSN, Joel,
Those are all valid points. Of course we know the patches are nothing more than an expensive placebo but assume for a moment they did work as claimed. I myself would be concerned about the possibility some patches might be defective due to a manufacturing problem. Apparently this idea has not occurred to Lifewave believers. Does Lifewave's website mention anything about quality control? What if instead of instructing your body's cells to burn more fat, a defective patch told them to shut down completely? Luckily this is impossible but suppose a user died from some other cause while trying the product. I could see that happening and the person's family taking legal action. Does Lifewave have liability insurance? Could they even get insurance for an unproven product?
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 | 10:16 AM
Article this morning on CNN.com on how the mind influences the body, including self pain relief:

<b>Touching Makes You Healthier</b> http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/touching.makes.you.healthier.health/index.html?hpt=T2

including this: <i>"The act of embracing floods our bodies with oxytocin"<i/>
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 | 05:28 PM
Slightly off topic, but:

<b>Retracted Autism Study an "Elaborate Fraud" British Journal Finds</b>

"A now-retracted British study that linked autism to childhood vaccines was an 'elaborate fraud' that has done long-lasting damage to public health, a leading medical publication reported Wednesday.

"An investigation published by the British medical journal BMJ concludes the study's author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study -- and that there was 'no doubt' Wakefield was responsible. . . .

"Wakefield has been unable to reproduce his results in the face of criticism, and other researchers have been unable to match them. Most of his co-authors withdrew their names from the study in 2004 after learning he had had been paid by a law firm that intended to sue vaccine manufacturers -- a serious conflict of interest he failed to disclose. . . .

"According to BMJ, Wakefield received more than 435,000 pounds ($674,000) from the lawyers [who paid him to reach results that would enable those lawyers to sue vaccine manufacturers]."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

This is a great example of why it's important for independent researchers to reproduce the results of any study or scientific experiment. Sometimes, "researchers" have a profit motive that they fail to disclose and which corrupts them.

Sound familiar?

The number of studies of silly Lifewave magic patches or even sillier homeopathic magic sprays that have been reproduced and published by independent researchers: Zero.
Honeybee
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 | 07:42 AM
I came across some of the videos. One was something like an interview hosted by a woman author talking to the CEO, Directors, etc. She stressed that she always tried natural, non-pharmaceutical ways whenever possible, but her face seemed to have a lot of surgical intervention 😉 The tell-tale sign being immobile upper part of the face even when she was smiling and talking enthusiastically, and the super-full lips, too.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 | 10:10 AM
<b>3 SCAMS IN 1!
THE COPPER MAGNETIC THERAPY JESUS BRACELET</b>

You can
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 | 01:53 PM
Why stop there?

How about the Patent Pending Frequency Modulating Quantum Physics Copper Magnetic Therapy Lifewave Accupressure Bead Resonant Frequency Power Balance Homeopathic Feng Shui Crystal Pyramid Natural Ionic Infrared Energy Field Bracelet with a Holographic Jesus on it?

Imagine the awesome healing power!

Nah, it
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 | 12:26 PM
To take it one step further, if you have the healing power of Jesus, why would you need any of those other things?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 | 07:16 PM
Bob,
We covered this a while back on a thread in the new forum. She's obviously a loon.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/9641/
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 01:18 AM
As I was on the line at the supermarket the other day, I saw the front page of The National Enquirer. At the top right there's a picture of Somers with the caption "Suzanne's Plastic Surgery Nightmare." She looks horrible, even though she's currently hawking a book titled "Sexy At Any Age."

Yes, we can agree that Lifewave does nothing but she isn't helping their efforts with her current appearance in any case. If I was Dave Schmidt, I'd pay her NOT to say she uses the patches.
Honeybee
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 05:41 AM
Somers, 60 pills a day? I thought she stressed that she didn't take chemicals; and injecting vaginally? Really! So much for "natural" solutions.
But no matter what she claims she uses, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. The way she looks would put you off anything!!
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 12:32 PM
Michael Jackson insisted on camera that he never had plastic surgery to his face other than two operations on his nose so that he could hit the high notes. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32132-2003Feb5.html

We all believed that, didn't we?

If a celebrity such as Suzanne Somers tells us that she hasn't had plastic surgery, we can believe it. Can't we?
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 01:03 PM
This website comments, "Now she looks like Donatella Versace!!"

Photos at http://mediatakeout.com/45513/more_plastic_surgery_horror_stories_what_the_freak_did_suzanne_somers_did_to_her_face_warning_-_contains_frightening_images.html
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 05:03 PM
If Suzanne Sommers still looked good until a few years ago, and it's been roughly since she started to wear Lifewave patches that she began looking like plastic surgery gone terribly wrong as in that photo, then one could draw the cause-and-effect inference that Lifewave patches actually <i>caused</i> Suzanne Sommers to look like hell.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Perhaps Lifewave should rewrite their marketing claim to read, "No side effects . . . except for the Donatella Versace thing."
Charles Gill
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 | 01:07 AM
i'd love to do this is if this is a real super soldier serum area or muscle builder... it better not be steroids it better be something just like captain americas super soldier serum tha will be pretty tight... if it is i'm down i'll use the patches.
jayessell
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 | 04:55 PM
Thanks for the TED link Bob.
In that vein, see this.

http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics210.html

It's the snarky comments that are
the voice of reason.
Anna
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 | 03:54 AM
My father is sinking into this cesspool of bullshit that is lifewave. I'm at a loss with what to do. He's not a stupid man, but my god he gets sucked into some stupid things sometimes. This newest science scammery is reminiscent of a cult. We had an enthusiastic debate about this earlier on the phone. I asked him what studies were done, double blinds, peer reviews, journals, approval from the Australian medical association, PBS listed? No, you say? Oh, yeah, the government and these companies don't want you to be cured. The conspiracy. NASA have approved or studied (or something) this, didn't I know? NASA as in the space people? They're interested in patches that discombobulate your meridian against the frenetic discourse of molecolulo-magnetic magma fields that your left wrist blocks on it's way out your arse? Well, I never!

Seriously, the steadfast believers are so cultish, it's scary. I need to find a support group, for those of us who've lost someone to this dreaded self adhesive demon.
Honeybee
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 | 05:23 AM
You have my sympathies, Anna. Does your father use these patches due to some pains or discomfort that wouldn't go away? What prompted him to believe in this rubbish? I ask this because very often these cults target vulnerable people. They make them believe that this is the only way. There are people who suffer from ailments that are not curable at the moment so they grasp at straws. I wonder if you dad is being targetted because they see a chance in him. People like you and I would be a lost cause to them, as we'd never touch these things with a bargepole. My mother almost fell into this kind of trap (a different brand of the same kind of rubbish) and was about to make an "investment" before her retirement, believing that this would be a good source of income and would help people at the same time. I stopped her just in time. Even now, 6 years after that I still hate the person who tried to lure my mum into this.
In one of the videos of Lifewave I came across (in professional capacity), the English footballer David Beckham can be seen wearing two of the patches just under his collarbone. I am almost certain that it is a Photoshopped picture, but isn't it illegal to make such a kind of claim? I wonder.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 | 02:11 PM
Haven't looked at this thread for a while. I see Australians are still buying into this scam in spite of the fact that they BUSTED LifeWave, along with Power Balance Bracelets, for "false and misleading advertising".

It's been 8+ years since the slime bag, David, not a doctor or a scientist but is a sociopath, Schmidt, paid his few dollars to apply for a patent.

8+ years on and no paten, no reputable studies published in scientific journals. NOTHING.

Yet, he still hawks his wares around our planet when he should be locked up for a very long time.

I wonder why Schmidt has never taken offence to being called a sociopathic liar, cheat, fraud, huckster, snake oil salesman, slime wad, cheating scumbag?

Perhaps he has a special elephant skin patch?
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 | 09:28 PM
Hey, guys!

I haven't been receiving any follow-up messages lately, so I stopped by and tried to log-in.

My user name and password no longer worked and when I asked to be sent my password, was told that none of my e-mail addresses were on file.

So I reregistered and here I am again. But then I noticed that all of my recent posts have been deleted (and maybe all of them...)

Any idea what's up with all this? I don't know who manages this forum, but I wouldn't expect them to selectively delete my posts - I certainly wasn't notified of any problems or complaints.

I've recommended this forum to many people, but I certainly won't do so in the future if there is censorship going on.

Bob
WWSN
WWSN
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 | 09:36 PM
The main reason I stopped by in the first place was to announce that I am revamping the WorldWide Scam Network web site into a WordPress blog format and the PRIMARY focus from here on in will be exposing the Lifewave patch scam. The domains:

http://www.lifewavescam.com

and

http://www.worldwidescam.com

will go to the new blog format. The domain:

http://www.worldwidescam.info

will go to the old WWSN site for archived reports and reference.

I was inspired by the news that another primary rival and MLM pyramid scam, Eniva, had declared bankruptcy:

<a href="http://www.startribune.com/business/117286948.html" target="_blank">Supplement company Eniva files bankruptcy</a>

Those guys were BIG and they are all over the current WWSN site. And now they're gone. I hope to do the same for Lifewave...

Bob
WWSN
Smerk
in to mischief
 Member
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 | 03:38 AM
Hi Bob,

Looks like your original profile may have been caught up accidentally in a clean-up of spammer member profiles. Unfortunately, there's no way of recalling the old profile and all the posts made while using that profile.

It was definitely nothing to do with what you may have posted here previously. We do usually warn people if we do have any issues with the content of posts (unless they are outright spam).

On behalf of all the moderators, I apologise. We will do our best to ensure that this won't happen again.

Smerk
~Moderator~
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 | 02:28 PM
Bob, That sucks big time.

You are one of the reasons I have continued to follow the LifeWave scam in the first place.
Look forward to hearing more from you.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 | 11:14 AM
In November, the FTC successfully shut down the Konoki Detox Foot Pads scheme. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2010/11/xacta.shtm.

Gee, and the advertising promoted those products as being based on ancient Oriental alternative healing wisdom, and contained so many testimonials, just like Lifewave. I guess you just can't trust testimonials . . .

Is there renewed hope that the FTC will also shut down the Lifewave scam perpetrated by con man David Schmidt?
corbeau
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 | 10:39 AM
cranky media guy

do you spent so much energy to imform peoples of the bad thing pharmatical cie do . And the doctors help them. example the remedies for cholesterols.they are many studies proof they bad effect and no effect on hearts and they still sell it.
Honeybee
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 | 11:45 AM
I'm not sure I understand you, Corbeau!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 | 06:08 PM
Two wrongs do not make a right, Corbeau. The fact that some pharmaceutical companies may make products that do not do what is claimed for them is not an endorsement for LifeWave.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 | 06:33 PM
<i>Two wrongs do not make a right, Corbeau.</i>

Well, affirmative action is the institutionalized belief that two wrongs really do make a right. But that would be a topic for another hoax forum thread.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 | 11:07 PM
<b>UPDATE ON SHERRY BLAKE-GREENBERG</b>

Remember Dr. Sherry Blake-Greenberg, the brilliant new Lifewave researcher who can diagnose all kinds of things about the body by using a device that it's maker state unequivocally is not intended to diagnose anything, and via a study that isn't blind, double blind, or placebo controlled? (See http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P4660/ ).

She has a website now. Here's her C.V. according to that website.

<i>[Name] is a [title] specializing in individual, couples and family therapy [specialty], and maintains a private practice in [city, state].

With over [number of] years experience as a marriage and family therapist, and as a graduate of [School] specializing in [type of therapy], s/he is currently serving as private practitioner working with a broad spectrum of clients. Among his/her areas of expertise are [expertise].

In addition to being a prominent relationship therapist, [name] has presented at National conferences and to general audiences speaking on the topics of [area of presentations]

[Name] is an interactive, solution-focused therapist. Her/His therapeutic approach is to provide support and practical feedback to help clients effectively address personal life challenges. S/he integrates complementary methodologies and techniques to offer a highly personalized approach tailored to each client. With compassion and understanding, s/he works with each individual to help them build on their strengths and attain the personal growth they are committed to accomplishing.</i>

http://sherryblakegreenberg.com/AboutMe.en.html

Well, I'm impressed. I'd trust her meticulous work and conclusions, wouldn't you?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 | 11:28 AM
Ummmm... oopsie.
Pat
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 | 07:06 AM
Anyone who would buy this product and then not even try it (as Cindy says she didn't) and THEN BAG IT has got to be kidding. Don't use it if you are afraid but don't say it doesn't work if you haven't given it a go.
Having said that, I would personally not be tempted to use this product if I was under 40 or so and wanting to start a family as these products involve nanotechnology which operates and I "believe" gets in to your system on a cellular level no matter what anyone says (I researched this as much as I could but the demonstrator knew nothing about it) and nanos have not been proven to "not" affect future generations you might give birth to. I am not only a skeptic but fearful of nanos which are already used in sunscreens (we all put this on babies)in Australia, ladies makeup etc without our knowledge (no warning labels) and that is so wrong and I think will come back to bite future generations.
However, I am 50 years old, not going to have more babies!! and I am in a LOT of pain but have only had one application of the pain patches and they WORKED for me TODAY:) I will wait to see how I feel tomorrow before I order a month or two of treatment but I am extremely impressed right now:) I have seen first hand what this product has done for a severely impaired arthritis sufferer not to mention myself and 3 other women with other issues I knew nothing about before today so I think it has some amazing applications there. Pfft, don't listen to me just give it a go if you are so tired of the pain as I am right now.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 | 10:23 AM
Pat in Australia.

Pat, you will find many regular posters here who sympathize with your pain situation.

We all realize that people in desperate situations turn to unconventional methods. The problem is, and the reason we skeptics continue to post here 6 years on, LifeWave patches are a SCAM. They do NOTHING at all other than elicit the placebo effect.

Your post appears to indicate that you believe the patches are transdermal. David Schmidt continues to base his company on the fact that the patches are non-transdermal. NOTHING passes into the body.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "fearful of nanos".

The Australian authorities busted LifeWave for "false and misleading" advertising. Full details are posted her on this forum thread.

Australia has done a great job of busting scams. They have also busted Power Balance Bracelets.

We are still waiting for the US authorities to get their act together on both these companies.

I am glad you had pain relief but I can assure you it was not the pain patch.

Sorry.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 | 08:55 PM
Dave:

<i>I'm not quite sure what you mean by "fearful of nanos".</i>

Didn't you see the news? In New York last week a couple of nanos grabbed an old woman's purse and then pushed her into an uncoming subway train. It was gruesome.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 | 09:34 PM
Joel:

Oh, those nanos!
WWSN
Member
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 | 10:39 PM
Hi, Pat-

This is Bob with the WorldWide Scam Network.

I have been doing my best to get to the truth about Lifewave patches for more than three years now. You can see a lot of information, research, and satire at my Lifewave page:
<b>
<a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a>
</b>
One thing I can say with absolute certainty is that there isn't a hint of "nanotechnology" involved with these placebo patches anywhere anyhow any way. Look at founder David Schmidt's own patent application (which was REJECTED by the United States Patent Office).

All of the talk about "nanotechnology" is baloney from start to finish. It's pseudosdcience and hype meant to impress and dazzle people who hope some sort of New Age science or religion will help them with their problems. I sympathize with the pain you are suffering from and I am glad that you feel you found some relief from using these phony patches. But there is NO legitimate independent research behind this fraudulent product and MLM scam operation.

Any pain relief you experience if a placebo effect - nothing more and nothing less.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 | 07:41 PM
Pat in Australia:

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Dave
Pat
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 | 04:21 AM
Hi Dave,
had a problem posting, finally got it to work but the post is not there....I thought it had been removed and why should I trust you to not do that if you are able?:) That way you get to post a comment about how I have run away with my tail between my legs maybe?
I have noticed through reading quite a few of the pages here now, as much as I could, given it was a busy weekend for me here that you have devoted quite a lot of your time to this and a similar product.. Years in fact! I am impressed! And you do seem to have a few other regulars who have perhaps run out of fodder so maybe this is why you are asking for my input?
I do truly respect your commitment to the people you feel driven to protect from this product by way of this forum. I am hoping one day you will get around to saving some Australians from all the rubbish they purchase from China that just doesn't have any quality and some of it fails to tick any boxes let alone for safety!!! Pity we have to buy anything from China but most Australian companies have sold their soul to the devil in favor of more profit and they care not about the additional sweat shops they are creating. Product labeling is another one you could look at. Half our sugar is coming from Vietnam but as long as it is 50% Australian, CSR can call it an Australian product. I could go on:)
What drives you to devote so much of your time to this cause Dave? You have made so many posts. Thousands? Do you have a job and/or a family? Where do you find the time? Have you had a personal tragedy which relates somehow to this product?
I won't buy this product now. I will stay in pain just for you:) Feel better? You win. I will continue to: ingest copious amounts of pain killers, not be able to work (no income and I am gaining a few pounds), not garden, not do house work etc. until I am able to have surgery, hopefully recover and not be further damaged if the surgeon is having a good day, and then hopefully get on with my life.

If you ever find yourself in a position to come to Australia, look us up (free accommodation) and we would be happy to debate the sorry state of the world with you:) My husband is a Yank!!!:) You would love him:) Looking forward to your reply.
Cheers, Pat.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 | 05:27 PM
Pat in Australia:

Thanks for taking time to post, Pat.

I've posted my reason for becoming a poster on this thread of The Hoax Forum many times, but essentially I couldn't stand by while a friend of mine was being scammed by this company.

I did some research and uncovered the truth about the despicable sociopath, not a scientist or a doctor but does have a 2 year degree from Pace University, David Schmidt.

Not sure what you mean about your posts not turning up. This is not my website and I'm pretty sure Alex, who owns the site, would only delete a post if it was obvious spam etc.

I fully appreciate your feelings about cheaper products from China. It's the same here in the USA. One of our major TV Networks ran a report on just how much stuff comes from China. People are often not even aware.

However, I post comments here about David Schmidt and the ongoing scam called LifeWave patches. The China argument, along with the other discussion about "Big Pharma" belongs somewhere else I guess.

I used to post quite a lot in the early days but, along with many of the other "regulars" have grown weary of repeating the same information to good folks just like yourself. We've had a number of Australians post here over the years.

Do I spend an inordinate amount of time doing it? My wife would argue yes! Compared to other activities such as reading a book or watching TV, playing golf or fishing or swimming or running, then probably not.

I don't work for any company or outfit trying to close down LifeWave or CieAura or Amega Global's AMWand etc. etc. Frankly, I wish someone would step up to the plate and offer all of us some cold cash to make these posts, but that's in La La land!

Making posts about the LifeWave scam isn't a game and I certainly don't feel that I have "won" if you decide not to buy into the scam.

All any of us do here is post what we find out and hope that the information is used by the curious as part of their due diligence on this company.

I continue to be amazed that LifeWave is still in business but, as with other, larger, scams it can sometimes take many years before the scam is revealed and closed down.

I truly hope you can find an answer to your chronic pain situation but, as you already know all too well, it's called chronic for a reason.

You say you won't buy this product now. What would make me feel "better" is to learn that you take the time to give information to any of your friends who may be new to LifeWave, or any of the many other scams out there.

Bob Burtis from The WorldWide Scam Network has an excellent due diligence work sheet that applies to any product or company.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 | 05:46 PM
Pat,

Here's a link to Bob's WWSN.

http://worldwidescam.blogspot.com/2008/05/lifewave-patent-rejected.html

It's interesting because the post below raises the same points about pain. Note the date of the post.

Sharon said...
"I will wait to make a comment til I try them it is only 20$ and if I do not try I will never know. No placebo can take away the amount of pain most people who are going to order this are going to have. In about 3 weeks I will write a comment with actual opinion"

AUGUST 24, 2009 9:14 PM

"No placebo can take away the amount of pain most people who are going to order this are going to have."

This important point is totally, and scientifically verifiably, wrong.

http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/html/2027.42/61991/placebo.html

The 2005 study proved conclusively that our brain can produce pain killing substances when we believe we are receiving a real pain killer. In the study via an IV drip.

A placebo drip of saline produced verifiable results.

Old ideas about placebos are just that, old.

Hence the need to be extra careful when examining claims make by companies like LifeWave, 8ight, CieAura, etc. etc. etc.

Regards,

Dave
WWSN
Member
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 | 11:05 PM
Hi, Pat-

Thanks for staying in the discussion. I've been battling these MLM pyramid schemes for more than ten years now. After many successes and one $8.6 million dollar lawsuit (which I won) I have not done much with my <a href="http://worldwidescam.com" target="blank">WorldWide Scam Network</a> web site for the past couple of years. As fast as one scam fell apart two more seemed to crop up to take its place. State and Federal government regulators seem to believe that people who fall for these fraudulent products and the MLM scams that promote them <b>deserve</b> what they get (one FTC agent actually told me that on the phone).

Others tell me I should invest my time and efforts into bigger scams such as Social Security or saving the whales, gay rights or world peace. I encourage them to follow their own muse and wish them well. Because of ALL of the scams and phony placebo products I have investigated, researched and reported on, David Schmidt and his Lifewave patches remain the most blatant, obvious, offensive, and obnoxious product on the Internet today.

One thing Schmidt and his scammers do better than most is to prey upon those in pain who are searching for alternative treatments. They use pseudoscience, technology lingo, and New Age double-speak casting a wide net for people with high hopes, high ideals, and tragic circumstances to pay through the nose for untested and unproven glorified band aids.

They betray their customers, their market, and the beliefs and ideals of some of the best people in the world - people like you - just to get their hands on your wallet or purse.

I'll continue in a second post.
WWSN
Member
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 | 11:31 PM
Don't you think Dr. David Schmidt would have filed a lawsuit against <b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifeWaveScam.com</a></b> for libel/slander if he thought he could win? But he knows he would LOSE because he would have to prove in a court of law that his silly patches actually DO something - and he can't. He can't get a patent for them. None of his inventions, theories, or research have EVER been published in any peer reviewed publication. He is NOT a "Doctor". He has NO background in ANY field of science and absolutely NO education in any scientific field. He is an absolute, unmitigated, incontrovertible FRAUD from start to finish.

There IS an emerging scientific field called "nanotechnology", but Schmidt knows nothing about it and his patches do not use nanotechnology at any point in time. I believe in a lot of crazy stuff - real science and modern physics are full of amazing and unbelievable possibilities. But Schmidt is a glorified carnival barker, snake oil salesman, and flim flam man.

Please don't suffer from pain if there is any possible relief, and I encourage you to look far and wide for answers and help. But be smart about it and don't be fooled by New Age mumbo jumbo and MLM con artists such as Schmidt, Haltiwanger, and his stable of aromatherapists, chiropractors, naturopaths, and veterinarians. Don't get me wrong - these are not all bad people - many of them really believe in this stuff - and that's the key...

They really BELIEVE these worthless patches, hologram discs, copper bracelets, homeotherapy, silver necklaces, traveling preacher tent revivals, China mountain berries, Tibetan forest mushrooms, and super duper vitamin fortified orange juice does whatever they claim.

If they do <b>anything</b> at all, it is because they BELIEVE in it. And if that works for them, I hope they find some lasting relief and better health as a result. Some folks have an almost religious belief in the people, the company and their products that is NOT based on ANY real science, research, studies or evidence.

If that is what someone really wants and it works for them, so be it. I'd simply recommend that you keep your money and invest your faith and hope into a church and religion of your choosing - not an MLM con man like David Schmidt.
Pat
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 07:04 AM
Hi Bob, I am still having trouble getting a post through to you and have twice lost all my 'intelligent' comments to cyberspace:) If this one works first time I will know what the problem is.....
Pat
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 07:16 AM
Okay, that went through nicely so my sending problems are related to my slow typing! I can't go any faster with this injury!!!!
I will try to reconstruct my post tomorrow as it is very late now but until then, many thanks for yours. Much appreciated.
Cheers, Pat.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 09:35 AM
Pat, one way around the disappearing post problem is to type it first in Notepad or something similar, and then just copy and paste it here.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 03:20 PM
Pat,

As hcmomof4 in So. Cal. suggested, you could compose in Notepad and paste into the box.

Another way, and the method I use whenever I have typed anything into a box and get ready to submit it, is to right click..."select all" ...right click and "copy". That way, if it doesn't go through first time I can paste it back into the box! BTW I try to Preview every time to make corrections, and there usually are a few, before I click Submit.

Cheers, and as Bob said, thanks for taking the time to be part of the ongoing converstaion. A converstaion that will only stop when David Schmidt and his scam are closed down, preferably with Schmidt doing some time behind bars.

Dave
jayessell
Member
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 06:17 PM
My post isn't as good as those of Ed and Dave and the other regulars here but I'd like to add this:

If this stuff worked... why would they sell memberships to sell it?

Wouldn't it make more sense to sell it themselves?
Wouldn't they be on the cover of TIME?

I don't understand how Avon works, so I can't say MLM <i>never</i> works, but still.

{Feel free to rephrase}
Pat
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 08:08 PM
Thanks for the tips. I was going back and forth to preview to get a new anti-spam word but that was a failure....I won't try to fool anyone that I actually know my way around a computer!

I might forget most of the things I was focused on such as collusion between certain companies and Government bodies they 'build up' a relationship with when dealing with each other over a long period of time:) That will only get me started on my personal experience which took a few years off my family. The people involved were finally disgraced and the former Mayor of our city is still fighting to stay out of prison!!! Eventually these people get what is coming to them but not before they destroy other peoples lives unfortunately.

I think companies like Avon and the makers of Tupperware were probably two companies who kick started this whole mess of MLM. And yet they are trusted household brands now.
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