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EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 03:15 PM
Ooops, that's gotta sting!
http://www.casewatch.org/doj/bradford/indictment.shtml
thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/10/5/starprobe/4824574&sec=starprobe |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 03:16 PM
Ooops, that's gotta sting!
http://www.casewatch.org/doj/bradford/indictment.shtml
thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/10/5/starprobe/4824574&sec=starprobe
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EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 03:18 PM
3rd time lucky!
Ooops, that's gotta sting!
http://www.casewatch.org/doj/bradford/indictment.shtml
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/10/5/starprobe/4824574&sec=starprobe
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Joel
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 04:00 PM
Ah yes, Dr. Beverly Rubik.
. . . who, according to one of Lifewave's videos, was a professor of biophysics at U.C. Berkeley, but who was not.
. . . whose "Institute for Frontier Science in Oakland, California" consists of P.O. Box.
. . . whose knowledge of science was favorably compared by one of her supporters to Star Trek scripts.
I miss her. She was one of my favorite Lifewave Clowns. Perhaps she'll come back and make a guest appearance for Lifewave. |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 09:46 PM
According to Beverly Rubik's bio: <i>She serves as a Consultant in the Health Care industry on maverick health and wellness products.</i>
http://globalintegrativemedicine.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=40
Translation: For a reasonable fee -- maybe enough for one month's worth of mailbox rental and food for 3 cats -- she'll endorse even the wackiest shit.
Really, check out her photograph, and let's see who can come the closest to guessing how many cats she lives with. |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 10:03 PM
Here's Dr. Beverly Rubik endorsing a wacky magic pendant:
<i>"The SRT in the QLink Pendant protects against stress from a variety of types of stressors including EMF Fields and possibly also chemical toxins, and helps maintain a homeodynamic balance."
- Beverly Rubik, Ph.D., The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine </i>
http://www.emf-health.com/howqlinkworks.htm
Now, how many Sheba cat dinners did that endorsement buy?
<i>EMOTIONS AND THE MEMORY OF WATER - Beverly Rubik
. . . Beverly has also photographed induced patterns of light emitted from water droplets after treatment with prayer or various emotions.</i>
http://www.issseem.org/storeaudio_detail.cfm?articleid=595
God, I love this woman. |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 | 10:06 PM
Full disclosure: My own cat is sitting on my lap as I type. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 | 12:52 AM
First she invents that cube, then she induces patterns of light from water droplets via prayer. Is there nothing Dr. Rubik can't do? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 | 02:00 AM
Joel and CMG
I found it interesting to see that the good doctor Rubick blindly pressed on with her recent "study" of Live Blood Analysis...
http://www.westonaprice.org/health-issues/1835-pilot-research-study-live-blood-analysis-of-adults.html
...when the whole procedure has been debunked and the main culprits were at the center of a law case! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 | 06:58 PM
Good to see Schmidt understands the old adage about diversify or die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8qAtQ1iKoc&feature=related
Now if you want to loose weight you must drink the magic juice first!
Maqui Juice Cocktail.
http://www.sp6complete.com/sp6-juice.asp |
Joel
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 | 06:17 PM
So the magic fat-burning patches, even in combination with the magic fat-burning homeopathic sprays and the magic appetite suppressing patches, were not enough. Now you need special Bullschmidt Juice as well.
On the plus side, from the video it looks like Fatty Haltiwager is finally losing some the lard from his ample backside. So maybe the magic fat-burning patches take 6 years or so to kick in and show an effect.
My advice to people: Instead of buying 6 years worth of magic fat-burning patches for (how many?) thousands of dollars, and fat-burning homeopathic sprays, and magic appetite suppressant patches, and a variety of pills and juices from the phony "Dr." David Bullschmidt - - PUT THE FORK DOWN! |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 | 01:06 AM
Bob - Thank you for that contribution.
Request: Could you please make it easy for someone to find and download from your website David Schmidt's provisional patent application in which he falsely claimed to be "Dr. David Schmidt." That would help people who are doing their due diligence about this scam product to find that highly relevant document. I can email that document to you if you'd like. |
Joel
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 | 09:17 AM
Bob - my suggestion was that you make it easy to find. Adding a link that says something like, "Hilarious patent application by 'Dr. David Schmidt'" might help people find it, and help Google to index it. But it's your website, and we appreciate your good work.
For all of our gentle readers, I'll give the instructions again for downloading the hilarious provisional patent application in which Lifewave's David Schmidt falsely claimed (twice) to be "Dr. David Schmidt":
To retrieve the document go to http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair and get past the Captcha. Type in 60413617 into the Application Number Field, then hit the Submit button. Then select the Image File Wrapper tab. That will let you view and download the various parts of his provisional patent application including his signed cover letter, in which he twice claimed to be "Dr. David Schmidt." |
Joel
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 | 11:27 AM
Thanks, Bob. I had tried to set up a Lifewave documents library using the Yahoo Groups service, but that service required people to register before they could see the documents, so it turned out to be so cumbersome as to be useless. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 | 01:33 AM
Bob,
Check out this guys "unbiased" review of LifeWave.
"A quick web search on 'LifeWave' will reveal thousands of pages, half of which are sites promoting the patches, and the other half are "hoax" or "scam" sites warning people what a con they are. One of the most outspoken sites was World Wide Scam. It seems that this site has now been shut down due to the volume of slanderous comments against LifeWave as a company and the inventors of the patches."
http://www.ei-resource.org/myblog/What-s-the-fuss-about-LifeWave-patches-.html |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 | 08:11 PM
I saw Joel's comment on the link provided by EDHUK. No replies yet. I doubt he'll have any takers on his $5000 offer because that's a site full of woo believers. Scroll up a few comments and you'll find this gem written by someone named James:
So this guy clearly was working with some cutting edge technology that must still be classified for national security reasons. Meaning that they have military implications and are now being filtered out into public domain. But because the workings of this patch are most likely ahead of their time, we don't want them falling into the wrong hands.
Seems likely to me that this was back engineered off of some technology greater than ours, and is to remain a secret, probably forever. So don't expect them to come out and reveal the process of how this technology was ever discovered and filtered into the public domain. But sometime in the next 20 years you should expect some oddly similar stories regarding nanotechnology and human testing super soldiers based off of technology from some "foreign" technology that was "recovered".
That's what you're dealing with Joel. |
Joel
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 | 07:37 PM
Captain Al - When I first read that, I thought the guy was parodying Lifewave, like the guy on the Cieaura board who says he put a Cieaura sticker on and then immediately performed sexually 72 straight times without stopping. Then I realized this guy was a true Lifewave believer.
It's funny when the line becomes indistinguishable between true belief and mockery. |
jayessell
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 | 07:01 AM
"It is impossible to tell for certain the difference between genuine stupidity and a parody of stupidity."
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 | 05:30 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a company starts to advertise "...significantly more product for the same price..." it's a sign that things are not going well, right?
http://www.lifewave.com/ |
Robbyn
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 | 11:41 PM
Well, I can tell you how they work and I can tell you that they do work. I thought they were stupid at first and then my Chiropractor used them on me. I use the Energy Patches and all I can say is wow. The material is infrared and it works with the bodies own energy. So instead of running on limited fuel like energy drinks, I am now using my own energy. They only last about 12-24 hours because as with wood the fuel does stop working.They are amazing and simple and you are not putting anything into the body. Wish I would have invented them but since I did not I will just keep reaping the reward from them!!!! Hey by the way my Metabolism is working again 😝 |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 | 02:15 AM
Ribbyn sad:
"The material is infrared and it works with the bodies own energy."
Which material(s) are you referring to? How can material be infrared?
"So instead of running on limited fuel like energy drinks, I am now using my own energy."
Are you saying that your body generates unlimited energy?
"Hey by the way my Metabolism is working again"
If your metabolism wasn't working, you would be dead. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 | 09:29 AM
Good to see there are a few distributors trying to plug away at the LifeWave SCAM.
Robbyn is obviously one of the later marks.
What happened to the patches that "talk" to your body?
What happened to the patches that use the acupressure principle including the little plastic bead for the Australian market that applied direct pressure to your skin?
I guess they dropped the plastic bead idea when too many people started sticking plastic beads on themselves with a bad-aid!
What ever happened to the explanation about light used for the Philippines market?
At least LifeWave is slashing prices. That should help soften the blow! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 | 09:38 AM
Robbyn
"Wish I would have invented them..."
No problem. Just make something up like Schmidt did and LIE about how it is supposed to work.
Easy!
No qualifications necessary.
No scientific or medical knowledge needed.
A 2 year business diploma will help you with the MLM aspect of your new business.
However, on the down side.
You must not be ethical, or have morals.
Being a SOCIOPATH will make SCAMMING people that much easier.
Are you up to the task? |
Joel
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 | 04:26 PM
Robbyn,
Remember that when posting such an endorsement, if you have any financial connection to Lifewave, you are required by law to disclose that connection. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm, http://ftc.gov/os/2009/10/091005revisedendorsementguides.pdf.
So what connection, if any, do you have with Lifewave?
<i>all I can say is wow. </i>
Could you tell the difference between Lifewave patches and placebo patches? Have you tried? Go ahead, try it and tell us what happens. See if you get the same "wow" when you don't know whether it's a Lifewave patch or a band-aid.
<i>The material is infrared and it works with the bodies [sic - body's] own energy."</i>
Hmmmm. David Schmidt didn't mention anything about infrared in his patent application. Instead, he talked about his patches creating clockwise and counterclockwise swirling energy vortexes ("causing the thermomagnetic field to spin clockwise (inward) which creates a buildup of energy"). But I guess Robbyn knows more about "Dr." Schmidt's technology than does the good doctor himself. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 | 02:54 AM
Robbyn
"The LifeWave Energy Enhancer is intended to provide mild and temporary stimulation of accupressure points resulting in improved energy flow. The device is an adhesive patch that is non transdermal and contains an inbuilt bead. When the patch is applied to a pressure point it temporarily provides a mild and temporary
stimulation resulting in improved energy flow."
https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/servlet/xmlmillr6?dbid=ebs/PublicHTML/pdfStore.nsf&docid=156515&agid=PrintDetailsPublic |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 | 03:00 AM
Robbyn.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P4960/
"LifeWave Energy Patches are programmed to reflect the exact frequencies of light that 'tell' your body to send more fat to the mitochondria in your cells burn more fat for energy." |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 | 03:03 AM
Lissa
in Australia
Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 | 03:42 PM
"Just an update, I have sent off a couple of emails to real doctors within the autism field to ask them of their interest in doing a double blind placebo study on the glutathione patches, to date I have had no replies. I can not approach Lifewave with a request without first having a research doctor on board. I am also following up on having autism australia perhaps conduct a double blind study so I will keep you informed of that when I have more."
It's been a while now Lissa. Do you have a further update for us? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 | 03:10 AM
Why People Fall For Scams:
http://mindhacks.com/2009/05/17/the-psychology-of-being-scammed/ |
Joel
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 | 04:30 PM
<b>LIFEWAVE AND ITS ATTORNEYS CHICKEN OUT AT THE PATENT OFFICE</b>
Today, November 2, was the day that David Schmidt |
LEE
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 | 07:28 PM
I AM TRYING THE SLEEP PATCHES |
LEE
in TUCSON AZ USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 | 05:16 PM
IT DOSEN'T WORK ON MIGRAINES
STILL NO LUCK WITH SLEEP EITHER |
jayessell
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 | 06:15 PM
GOOD LUCK WITH THE EXPERIMENT,
BUT IT SHOULD BE DOUBLE BLIND AND
LOWER CASE> |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 | 07:09 PM
Lee,
I hope you get better soon.
Lifewave claims to offer a money back guarantee. Since Lifewave patches didn't help you, we'd be curious to know know how quickly and cheerfully Lifewave refunds your money.
And please turn off the Caps Lock. All caps give <i>me</i> a migraine. |
LEE
in TUCSON AZ USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 | 08:40 PM
sorry about the caps
I don't really like them either but it's hard at work to go back and forth
you can only get a refund if you do it within 30 days and you get a shipping label from them and you return the package unopened as afr as I know
now if they have a true $$ back refund I'll look into it
I am actually quite well thank you for your concern
I have had migraines for pretty much all my 53 years so I know a few ways to get rid of them
better living through chemistry
gimme the drugs
I do wish the sleep patches worked i haven't had a stright night of undistrubed sleep since I was about 16 or 17
I'l let you know if anything happens but still I don't hold much hope and unfortunately I am not a good candidate for the placibo effect
LEE |
Joel
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 | 11:50 AM
Lee said, <i>"you can only get a refund if you do it within 30 days and you get a shipping label from them and you return the package unopened as afr as I know"<i/>
If that's true, then that means that the "guarantee" is not a "money back if not satisfied" guarantee. It's only "Money back if you haven't haven't opened the box and you jump through other hoops. But if you try the patches and they don't work for you, we laugh all the way to the bank, Sucker." That's not much of a guarantee.
And that makes Lifewave's money back-if-not-satisfied advertising a flat out lie. (e.g., http://www.energypowerpatch.com/lifewave/order.htm <i>"Money Back Guarantee - if you're not satisfied with the product within 30 days contact LifeWave and you'll receive your money back."</i>) (or http://experiencelifewave.com/products/ <i>"To make a purchase with a 30-day money back guarantee, go to http://www.karenspatches.com"</i>😉. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 | 01:12 PM
Joel
Interesting link:
http://experiencelifewave.com/products/
"They work by reflecting infrared light frequencies in the body. Just like sunlights helps you get a tan, the LifeWave patches use light frequencies to communicate wireless to the body."
Acupressure, "talk" to your cells, infrared, etc. etc.
But, Schmidt the sociopath is still in business. |
Joel
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 | 04:18 PM
Check out this complete crock of crap:
http://experiencelifewave.com/2010/08/14/emf-radiation-protection-with-y-age-patches/
"<b>EMF Radiation Protection with Y-Age Patches.</b>
Watch this entertaining video with LifeWave |
Joel
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 | 03:56 PM
Question for Lifewave geniuses Roy Surjono and Karen Tan: What would happen if you reduced EMF radiation from a cell phone by 98%
Hint #1: What does a cell phone use to transmit your voice to the nearest tower?
Hint #2: Reduce a cell phone's outgoing signal strength by 98%. What happens?
Come on, Roy, you're an electrical engineer. Have you flashed on the answer yet? |
LEE
in TUCSON AZ USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 | 02:07 PM
Dosen't infrared energy require solar or electrical power???
I know I sound stupid with that question but how can you possilby fool people and tell them that there is power in a passive "plastic" covered patch when there isn't even ANY physical contact with the substance. Even with sunlight you have to be in it or in reflected light??? |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 | 03:40 PM
Lee:
Every object gives of thermal radiation, unless that object is at absolute zero (-273 degrees C = 0 degrees Kelvin).
The spectral distribution of thermal radiation is temperature-dependent. At room temperatures, almost all thermal radiation occurs within the IR spectrum.
It isn't until an object gets up to a couple of hundred degrees C or so that the object starts giving off any appreciable visible light.
Consequently, at room temperatures all objects are simultaneously absorbing IR radiation from the environment and radiating IR back into the environment. That's why objects can be transmitting IR and still be at homeostasis - they absorb as much energy as they radiate. If the object is warmer than the environment (e.g., a band-aid patch that has been warmed by a human body), it will radiate a little bit more IR energy than it absorbs. The amount of thermal radiation at room and body temperatures is quite small, but it is enough, for example, to allow the police to see a human body in the dark using night vision goggles.
So technically, by golly yes, Lifewave patches DO give off IR radiation. But then, so does everything else - your eyeballs, your nose hairs, your shirt, the pen you write with, and that jar of sugar that's sitting on your kitchen counter. The amounts and spectral densities of all of that radiation will be very similar because the temperatures of those objects are nearly the same.
What's absurd is to assert that the sugar on your kitchen counter (or the sugar in a Lifewave patch) gives off some special spectral density of IR that gives it the magic properties that David Schmidt claims that his Lifewave patches possess, including being an effective Autism and acne treatment, and stopping you from snoring, and taking away back pain, and stopping menstrual cramps, and increasing your strength, and smoothing out wrinkles in old faces, and restoring failing eyesight in old people, and protecting people from malaria and radiation poisoning, and on and on. That claim is just so absurd on so many levels, that anybody who took a college physics would laugh his arse off at it (unless, like Haltiwanger, he stands to profit by getting people to believe that fairy tale).
If sugar has the magical IR properties that David Schmidt claims it does, then you could obtain the same benefit by smearing honey on yourself.
And if the magic properties from Lifewave patches came from the IR spectral properties of the sugar and glycerin in the patches, then you wouldn't get any benefit by putting the patches over clothing (as Schmidt does in his traveling dog-and-pony show) because fabric absorbs IR. Heck, the plastic in the patches might be absorbing all the IR from the sugar and glycerin, anyway, such that the IR spectrum you're receiving might be the thermal radiation spectrum of plastic that has no relation at all to sugar and glycerin inside.
Hope this helps. If I got any details wrong, people should feel free to chime in and correct me. |
LEE
in TUCSON AZ USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 | 04:18 PM
Ok |
Deon
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 | 02:37 PM
THE IGNORANCE CONTINUES :red:
WOW!!! People that make comments about a product that they haven't tried are certain they don't work. Sounds fishy to me !
Those people share the same mind set as the people that argued for years that smoking won |
LEE
in TUCSON AZ USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 | 07:04 PM
If you are referring to me, I am trying the product and can honestly say that it does not work
I do have some friends that are making quite a bit of $$$ selling the lifewave product, but I do not feel
that I could do that to people as there is no science to backup or verify any claims made by Lifewave except for the poor research papers they have on their website.
Some groups Lifewave claims endorse their product have simply said that there is nothing harmful or illegal in them. That is not an endorsement. I have spent a great deal of time looking for real scientific research
and can only find that the science is so full of flaws that it |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 | 07:14 PM
Deon,
You are in violation of the law by posting an endorsement of a product without stating that you are a distributor of that product.
That being said, I've tried Lifewave patches and they don't work. Many other people have posted here who tried them and found that Lifewave patches don't work.
Have you tried obtaining a real science degree? If not, then you can't criticize the application of scientific principles to analysis of Lifewave patches, right?
So by your own logic, my conclusions carry weight but yours don't, because I've tried the patches AND I have a science degree.
Will you take me up on my challenge to see if you can tell the difference between real Lifewave patches and placebo patches? Yeah, I didn't think so. |
DEON
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 | 03:51 PM
;-) LIFE WAVE PRODUCTS CONTINUE TO WORK FOR PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD!
I have experienced positive results from the silent night and ice wave patches.
If you're one of those people that follow popular opinion or gossip instead of trying out a product for yourself I can't help you. I support the try it yourself and do you own research approach to things. I understand that there are a handful of people out there that claim these products don't work for them and I |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 | 06:18 PM
DEON,
I always have a little chuckle when scam artists, like yourself, mention the word GOD.
Your testimonial is as useful as anyone else's ...worthless.
Please provide the very FIRST properly conducted scientific study to conclude that LifeWave is anything other than a placebo patch.
Here's a hint.
You won't be able to because LifeWave hasn't in the 5+ years we have all been waiting.
Please DO NOT mention "scientific studies" listed on the LifeWave website as I hate to use the word MORON unless I really have to.
BTW, GOD does NOT bless SCAM ARTISTS. |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 | 11:15 AM
Deon,
You would probably have also encouraged people to try investing with Bernie Madoff, to see for themselves whether he was a scam artist. Remember all the people that reported wonderful investment returns from investing with him? Hey, if you haven't tried investing with Bernie Madoff yourself, you can't criticize him or call him a scam artist, right?
Turning to your "testimonial," how do you know that Deon, unlike a lot of people, is not possibly subject to the placebo effect, and/or or wishful thinking when his pocketbook is concerned? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 | 01:02 PM
Joel,
What about all the people who didn't try the laundry disc, or the smog buster holographic chip etc. etc.
I guess they were losers too. |
jayessell
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 | 05:11 PM
If anyone has one of those SmogBuster Disks,
I'll pay $40.00 for it if very fine to mint.
I hope the trophy store doesn't charge too much to mount it. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 | 11:21 AM
"Please provide the very FIRST properly conducted scientific study to conclude that LifeWave is anything other than a placebo patch."
DEON appears to be strangely quiet on the subject...
Duh. |
ashley
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 | 06:52 PM
Dearest Edhuk, Joel and others of same mindset,
Although I have had the greatest of opportunity to read all the 'negative' aspects of investing in LifeWave patches and appriciate the time and effort you all seem to exude in making people aware of the 'scam-like' nature of the patches and the company. Just by you all saying and so-called 'quoting' other nay-sayer sites as to the non-benefits and 'placebo-like' make-up of these patches and "the sugar and glycerin" statements and personal attacks in general on the people that just might believe and have had 'positive' outcomes using the LifeWave patches also does not make you any more on the 'right' side as any other.
I believe one of you claims to have a science degree so where is your research and backup to the claim of the patch being a 'placebo' and only a 'sugar and glycerin'?? Do you have the science community via certified scientists, doctors, lawyers, etc. backing your claim??
I only ask because as one in the science community myself, I am always asked to make an impartial judgement to any claim that is given to me that I wish to take on board and read ALL (and please read ALL) the information to be had on that claim as well as with-hold judgement to allow the time concept to take hold so that we can truly understand how this claim effects the world population as a whole rather than a lab-rat-narrow-minded-point-of-view.
As with other claims (margarine and the benefits of which in the 25 years after turned out to be a negative thing for the human body to digest, plastic over time now leaching toxins in our water, processed sugar that is now known and scientifically proven to be horrific for our health as well as dis-ease causing) these had to go through the rigours of scientific testing, FDA approval (which the LifeWave patch is) and general population usage and approval. We will never truly know the holistic outcome until years down the road to which, out of all the evils that we do use in our lives to so-called better ourselves, I would by far rather take the road of enlightenment and test all things I consider practical of mind (quantum physic based LifeWave patch) to see how this patch works for the individual themselves. Bearing in mind that the mind has a lot to do with our healing as our body does.
In conclusion, this patch might not be for you, but down the road with time as the measure, the population as a whole might or might not agree with you. As we are all individual in our DNA on this life trip and globe we share together.
I wish you all well on your life and scientific journey into the unknown factors of inventions such as the Lifewave patches and other technologies that might not be on the mainstream mind-set. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 | 09:58 PM
ashley in Canada
"FDA approval (which the LifeWave patch is)"
What do you mean? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 | 09:59 PM
ashley
"(quantum physic based LifeWave patch)"
What do you mean? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 | 10:01 PM
ashley
"...inventions such as the Lifewave patches..."
What do you mean? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 | 10:02 PM
ashley
"I only ask because as one in the science community myself..."
Without the need for specific location etc. What work do you do that you regard as scientific? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 | 06:55 PM
"...so where is your research and backup to the claim of the patch being a 'placebo' and only a 'sugar and glycerin'?? Do you have the science community via certified scientists, doctors, lawyers, etc. backing your claim?? "
If you had read the whole thread you would know that Lifewave themselves said the patches contain 'sugar and glycerin'. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 | 07:14 PM
Captain Al,
Here we are again with another fresh faced newcomer. I can hardly bear the excitement being exuded from every pore of our new Canadian friend.
I guess we'll follow the same worn out pattern of posts, all highly predictable.
Anyhoo.
Ashley,
Here is the info directly from LifeWave stating that the patches contain glucose (brown patch) and glycerin (white patch).
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Research/Research004-MVAStudy11-23-04.pdf
23 November 2004
"A reagent was chosen, based on information provided by the manufacturer, that would react with substances present in the brown (glucose) patch and in the white (glycerin) patch. The reagent chosen reacts with glycerin and with glucose to form a white precipitate."
Is this info good enough for you Ashley? It's straight from the horses mouth. |
Joel
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 | 10:14 PM
Ashley,
<i>"quantum physic based LifeWave patch"</i>
What about a Lifewave patch relies on quantum physics any more than does, say, a teaspoon full of sugar or a light bulb?
More broadly, do you contend that you understand what you are saying, or are you merely regurgitating Lifewave's marketing literature? If the latter, then there's not much of an informed discussion that we can have. |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 | 01:28 PM
What, no witty comeback from Ashley?
No list of astounding studies proving efficacy published in worldwide top not scientific journals?
"We will never truly know the holistic outcome until years down the road..."
So, 5 + years isn't long enough?
"Bearing in mind that the mind has a lot to do with our healing..."
Hallelujah, a point on which we can all agree.
Yes, Ashley, our brain is a very nifty organ. It can produce its own painkillers just by us thinking we are doing something that should bring us pain relief. eg Unknowingly have a saline drip in place of an analgesic or, dare I suggest it, stick a glucose filled (brown) and glycerin filled (white) patch on our body. LifeWave states you can place them over clothing, your shoes etc. but that's another story.
So, the few posters who check the Hoax Forum thread on LifeWave will wait with tangible anticipation to read your knowledgeable words. Words that will somehow be more inspired, more trustworthy, more accurate and honest than any of the thousands of words already posted by LifeWavers in the past 5 years.
I, for one, cannot wait! |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 | 05:06 PM
>> <i> So, 5 + years isn't long enough?</i>
Actually, it's 8+ years now, per U.S. provisional patent application serial no. 60/413,617 filed September 25, 2002 by "Dr. David Schmidt," in which the esteemed Dr. Schmidt presents this "testimonial" to the Patent Office:
<i>" 'Normally a skeptic . . . Well, I can tell you that not only does your pendant make my pain go away, it also stimulates my energy and stamina levels! Finally, a product that does as advertised and more.' Ken G. . . .
"All testimonials are on file with the inventor."</i> |
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