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WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 08:41 PM
If Lifewave patches really used "nanotechnology" and actually worked the way David Schmidt claims:
1. They would be worth BILLIONS of dollars and there would be no need to push market them through an MLM pyramid scheme.
2. David Schmidt would be awarded several Nobel Prizes in the fields of medicine and physics. The claims he makes for the pseudoscience he describes as being responsible for the miraculous effects of Lifewave patches is beyond the capabilities of any known science in the world today, including quantum physics.
Everything about the company, the people, the founder, and all of the New Age alternative medicine quack doctors and therapists is a total fraud. It is the ultimate placebo product. |
Pat
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 | 09:28 PM
I have to suppose that some of you will want to slap me when I say I am not going to relay any of this info to my companions who have purchased these patches. They are solidly convinced and can afford to pay.
I did calmly try to tell one lady what you have been telling me but she just changed the subject...I never would have thought HER ears were painted on. She seems to be on every mailing list known to man for all the get rich schemes or the ones promising a cheque for thousands of dollars can all be hers if she responds to them. She is normally the one who warns me about scams but... |
WWSN
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 10:18 AM
Believe me, Pat, we know what you're going through.
These people think that THEY are the enlightened ones and their New Age MLM religion requires them to avoid any confrontations with the truth, genuine science, or legitimate research.
Not because THEY are close-minded, of course. They are superior in intelligence and awareness - they know things that us small brains simply cannot understand or comprehend. David Schmidt is not a charlatan - he is a guru! We are Stone Age non-believers.
I believe in some wild stuff, such as probable selves, the holographic universe, and the idea that we create our own reality. Here is a web site in progress that I am working on that discusses some of these concepts:
<b><a href="http://http://riverofdreams.net/intro.htm" target="_blank">RiverofDreams.net</a></b>
The difference between these ideas and what David Schmidt is trying to sell us is that the concepts discussed on MY web site are all based on genuine science and modern quantum physics (along with philosophy).
I am not interested in stopping scientific innovation - I am interested in the integrity of the process. Lifewave bastardizes real science, preys upon forward-thinking people of good faith, and betrays their good intentions, spirit and trust. |
WWSN
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 10:21 AM
That link did not set-up right....
<b><a href="http://riverofdreams.net/intro.htm" target="_blank">RiverofDreams.net</a></b>
This one should work right. |
Pat
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 11:23 PM
Well that was fascinating. Could almost get my head around the holographic universe and creationism but not enough to have an opinion.
Probable selves is something which would interest me greatly though. That opened up a huge box for me in the areas of multiple personalities, schizophrenia and false memory syndrome.
Googling these led me to my wild stuff, global warming. In my extended family and friends circle this is a topic I dare not broach at the dinner table as I am beaten down constantly by the logic of people who have just been caught in a recent rain shower and who can now water their gardens freely again. They have already forgotten the past ten years of drought. |
WWSN
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 | 11:44 PM
Thanks for taking a look at my philosophical web site project. It's fundamentally aimed at a merger of modern science and religion. And I don't mean to go off-topic or change the focus of this message thread. I simply wanted to demonstrate that I know something about modern physics and science and my problem with Lifewave and David Schmidt has nothing to do thinking the world is still flat or refusing to accept new ideas. However, I truly resent the way that Lifewave bastardizes science to sell worthless placebo patches.
Their slogan these days is:
"...you'll learn how to do well while you do good!"
But much like every other classic MLM pyramid scheme, only the top 5% of the people ever make any significant money and it all comes right out of the pockets of the bottom 95% of the affiliates.
And they do NO good - their entire product line is a snake oil fraud from start to finish. |
Pat
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 01:01 AM
Sorry also to stray:) Fascinating stuff though.
The people at the bottom of the barrel get hooked then can't get out for some reason? Do they need to keep going to recoup their losses if any or do they seriously think they will get in to the top 5 level (as if that is an honor!!?? Combination of both with a little greed thrown in?
I remember a relative being caught up in a scheme once but can't for the life of me remember if it was Amway or another...I never understood why they felt obligated to continue on with it or why they felt no shame when continuously trying to hook family and friends in as well. It must surely be humiliating at best!
Lifewave slogan: 'you'll learn how to do well while you do good' translated could mean 'you better get good at selling this product fast if you want to make any money out of it'. |
Pat
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 01:20 AM
Forgot to say there is a big Lifewave gathering planned in my home city soon. I wasn't really paying much attention but I remember even the member who demonstrated the patches wasn't going to attend...but she mentioned it...and no patches would supposedly be sold on the night. That would be to get people curious and for the company name to become familiar perhaps? Also to recruit new members. |
WWSN
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 02:10 PM
Someone must be monitoring these posts back at Lifewave HQ. Check out their latest e-mail blast:
<b>Overcoming Skepticism</b>
Throughout history, experts have derided the inventions of their innovator contemporaries. Consider this classic example:
When Wilbur and Orville Wright reported that they had built and flown a heavier than air flying machine, their claims were rejected and dismissed as a hoax by major newspapers, experts in the fields of engineering and mathematics, and the magazine Scientific American. Only after facing years of public skepticism |
WWSN
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 02:24 PM
What an unmitigated bunch of nonsense!
David Schmidt is no Orville Wright. There is no comparison between Lifewave placebo patches and heavier than air flying machines. I told you in a previous post that Lifewave and similar New Age scams try to dismiss critics by labeling them as flat earth believers who are unwilling to accept innovation and change.
"Innovative development"? If it's so innovative why did the United States Patent Office refuse to give Schmidt a patent for his "invention"?
"Remember that we have more than 40 clinical studies supporting our technology."
And each of them has been orchestrated by quack doctors, veterinarians, naturopaths, gym coaches, former TV blonde bimbos, and homeopaths to prove claims made in advance. There is not ONE single independent double blind placebo-controlled study that has ever been done on Lifewave patches.
"Suzanne Somers, one of the foremost health advocates in the United States..."
On what basis has Suzanne Somers been declared "one of the foremost health advocates in the United States"? And by whom?
Nobody - she's a nut job and she's a perfect choice for the Lifewave company ambassador. She has zero credibility, just like Dr. David Schmidt.
"So, the best way to approach a skeptic is to have them try the product, without risk, and see that it works."
No, the best way to approach a skeptic is with genuine independent placebo-controlled double blind research, peer reviewed publications, and a United States patent. Lifewave has none of these and never will.
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> |
Pat
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 06:35 PM
As we have discussed, if it works so well, it would be more readily available at an affordable price and Lifewave wouldn't need to use terms such as "we believe" our product works, they would be able to use words such as "we know" this stuff works.
The lady I know who uses and sells this product said she had diarrhoea for the first two weeks so this was her proof. She was surprised to discover she had lost weight as she hadn't even been wearing the weight loss patch. I think if I had pumped myself up with adrenaline and high hopes I would have lost weight in that way also. Maybe she simply had no money left in the family budget for food after spending it all on the patches or was drinking WAY too much WATER! That's another good way to get the diarrhoa happening. I will ask her.
Amongst the Lifewave literature I have here there are 4 pages of printout stating that we all need Glutathione, Carnosine and why we need them. They also quote what dozens of doctors have said about this over the years but none of these doctors are saying where to get a top up. Some of the quotes are from 1983! They are meant to look like endorsements but are just quotes stolen from some old medical journals. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 08:37 PM
Bob, I agree with all of your post except:
"...and a United States patent."
My understanding is that a Patent doesn't prove that an invention works as advertised.
The Patent is granted to a novel invention that is a first in its field or maybe an innovative change to an old Patented device.
This article talks about the "anti gravity" patent:
http://www.richardhouriganinc.com/non-chemical_devices.html
Schmidt used to bandy the word "novel" around quite a bit, as you will remember.
Apparently his band aids with glucose (brown patch) and glycerin (white patch) wasn't regarded as novel enough!
Schmidt is about to have a conference in Paris, France. I wonder how many newbies will be excited by the prospect of making the big Francs? |
WWSN
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 09:08 PM
You're absolutely right - acquiring a patent doesn't require that one prove it actually works.
And while the process may be tedious and expensive (with lawyers and documentation) the bar for getting a patent actually seems pretty low. Dr. Schmidt filed a patent application - which I believe cost him all of $75 - just so he could say "patent pending". It makes one wonder why they wouldn't give him a patent. How BAD was his "invention" that the Patent Office refused to grant him one?
If the patches work as claimed, he SHOULD have a patent because the patches would be worth BILLIONS. Without a patent any third grade science teacher could reverse engineer the patches in-between classes and market some of his own.
All it would take would be a few band aids, some molasses and glycerin, and a complete lack of ethics, integrity, and morals... |
Pat
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 | 09:18 PM
Haven't been able to find any info for upcoming seminars in Australia on the net...must be by invitation only...
The only information I can find on the manager of Lifewave in Australia (Margaret Preece) is she lives in the Sydney area, has no credentials and can not be contacted any way other than by providing my email address. She doesn't have an office anywhere. She must be managing the company from her dining table. Harsh way to treat the manager. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 07:49 AM
Pat,
As you know, Australia is one of the few countries to hold LifeWave accountable for "false and misleading" advertising.
This used to be LifeWave-Australia.com:
http://www.lifewave-australia.com/
There are many more deleted web sites. The distributors didn't want to chance getting fined.
Demonstrations and seminars have been going on in Australia for a few years.
Here's one in 2008 with one person signed up to attend:
http://lifewaveaustralia.eventsbot.com/
"If you are in Pain, come and get Instant Relief through the amazing Lifewave patches.
Learn about how the body heals itself."
I could imagine how someone like yourself might be tempted to give it a try.
Here's an event from last year:
http://patched4life.eventsbot.com/
Here's your buddy Margaret Preece:
http://au.linkedin.com/pub/margaret-preece/16/149/294
"Lifewave is so new that it is a privillage to be able to educate people on this new Nano Technology."
Poor Margaret is describing the patches as "so new" when in fact they have been around for 6+ years now.
"A frequency device in the form of a patch helps with weight loss, pain control or elimination, increased stamina and reversing of the ageing process."
Perhaps Margaret isn't aware of all the other versions of how the patches are supposed to work. Looks like she's describing out dated info.
I guess "important" seminars make it to the Australian LifeWave Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/LifeWave-Australia/145821748784318
October 2010...Very current!
Are you having fun yet Pat?
Dave |
Joel
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 10:41 AM
<b>REMEMBER LIFEWAVE'S CLAIM THAT ITS PATCHES ARE GOOD SHIELDS AGAINST RADIATION EXPOSURE?</b>
<i>"DefenseWave helps protect the cells from exposure to radioactive substances"</i>
http://lifewavenc.com/pdf/DWBrochure.pdf
That claim was made jointly by con man David Schmidt and either fellow con man or dumb schmuck (take your pick) retired General Teddy G. Allen, who after years of trying has apparently failed to make a single sale to the military. See http://lifewavenc.com/ > Company Tab > Leadership link.
Oddly enough, we haven't heard anything about Lifewave making a huge sale to the Japanese government to protect the workers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor from radiation exposure.
Nor do you hear about Schmidt traveling to Japan to even try to make that huge, high profile sale.
The meltdown would seem like a perfect opportunity for David Schmidt to showcase his miracle patches that do everything from protecting against radiation poisoning to helping you lose weight, to curing childhood autism, to cleaning your tarnished silverware.
Just think: All those people in Japan who have been evacuated from the area around the plant could go back to their homes and their daily lives if they would just wear David Schmidt's magic DefenseWave anti-radiation patches.
Better yet, David Schmidt and Teddy Allen could spend a week in the area of the evacuation zone closest to the damaged nuclear plant, wearing their patches for protection and having a camera crew follow them around everywhere they go. It would be the perfect marketing opportunity.
Forget potassium iodine tablets. Sales of Lifewave patches would go through the roof after that convincing demo.
Can anybody from Lifewave explain why this hasn't happened yet? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 03:48 PM
Joel,
I also liked their claim that the patches could prevent hearing loss.
As you know, many of us surmised they meant by sticking them in your ears.
Was it white in the left ear and brown in the right or the other way around?
Can it really get any dumber?
Don't answer that!
Dave |
jayessell
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 05:56 PM
This may be in the wrong forum but it is anti-Woo.
"Storm" by skeptic/comedian Tim Minchin, animated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
If it doesn't belong here, please post in the anti-homeopathic channel.
See also http://www.stormmovie.net |
hcmomof4
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 06:16 PM
I'm lucky enough to know both the director/animator and the producer of that movie. And I've seen Tim Minchin live.
All because of something posted in this thread years ago... |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 06:43 PM
OK Guys and Pat in Australia.
While we have a current flush if interest in this old scam.
How the patches work:
http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Australian-Lifewave-Patches
"Lifewave Patches communicate with the body through the human electromagnetic field. This is known as resonant energy transfer. It |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 06:54 PM
Pat, this is why we hate LifeWave so much:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=121252408901&topic=10045
"I would recommend to anyone with a child or person in their family who has Autism to try the Lifewave Y-Age patches to help the body rid itself of the toxic overload that it is faced with on a daily basis that can cause damage to cells and greatly effect the child |
Pat
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 | 08:10 PM
Thanks for the links.
I will be visiting soon with the local lady here who is selling this product. Not sure how that will go, they do get trained against non-believers she tells me. That will be my first topic of discussion. At least she is happy to discuss it. She is a lovely lady who just wants to help people and I hope I can help her.
This being an open forum, I am half expecting everyone selling this product in Aus will get an email warning them about me!!!
I can't get the word 'cult' out of my head.....especially after watching footage of the goose Robert Ragnar. |
WWSN
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 | 10:15 AM
Now I am certain they monitor this forum...
Dr. Haltiwanger announced this exciting news in his latest "Personal Message":
"I am happy to share with you that two of our completed studies have been accepted for presentation at the International Society for the Study of Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine (ISSSEEM) on the weekend of June 24-27 in Colorado."
You've all heard of ISSSEEM, of course... Right down the road from the Mayo Clinic, no doubt. He continues:
"Dr. Melinda Connor will discuss her research on Y-Age Glutathione, which demonstrates the physiological effects of the patch..."
And what is Dr. Connor's specialty?
"Dr. Melinda Connor has been a healer in professional practice since 1987. A born clairvoyant, her initial training in the energies came from within her family. Ordained as a Buddhist Priest, Dr. Connor has trained as a clinical psychologist, neuropsychologist, drama therapist, massage therapist and in over twenty different styles of energy healing and energy psychology."
Okay - she's a clairvoyant, Buddhist Priest and drama therapist. That makes her a perfect fit for the Lifewave circus of phonies. She's also featured in the movie "Something Unknown is Doing We Don't Know What..."
<b><a href="http://www.somethingunknown.com/scientists.php" target="_blank">Something Unknown</a></b>
That describes Lifewave patches perfectly.
Dr. Steve continues:
"Dr. Lisa Tully will present her study findings examining the efficacy of the Energy Enhancer patch in increasing flexibility, strength and endurance."
So what is Dr. Tully's background, aside from her role as "Scientific Advisor of Lifewave (bioresonance energy patches)"?
"Dr Tully is the founder of Energy Medicine Research Institute, whose mission is to assess the efficacy of vibrational medicine technologies and therapies."
It's great to see Dr. David Schmidt and his cabal of quacks reach out to the established scientific and medical community in their search for credibility and respectability.
<b><a href="http://LifewaveScam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 | 02:32 PM
Bob,
"Now I am certain they monitor this forum..."
I think we've know that for some years now. I used to point out the spelling mistakes in whatever version of their website was currently running and voila the correction was made. Ha Ha. |
Fred
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 | 03:14 PM
I've followed this thread for years from the comments link at the museum of hoaxes home page - never could figure out how to comment from there until now, when I googled "Life Wave Energy Patches" and lo and behold this link to the actual thread was on the first google page. Safe to say the quacks read this every day. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 | 03:58 PM
Hi Fred,
Hoax LifeWave takes you here as well.
Same thing for Hoax CieAura
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/10252/
hoax holographic discs
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/4333/P33/#379221
etc. etc.
Cheers,
Dave |
Pat
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 | 07:06 PM
Issseem to be rolling on the floor laughing!!!
This new info is priceless. If only someone was able to pop the essence of this forum in a patch it would be worth millions. I have been getting the placebo effect for days. My typing speed has increased, I am now able to find my way around on a computer more easily, my sense of humor has returned, my spelling has improved, I have noticed a sharp decrease in my tolerance of BS and all without a lifewave patch and all for free.... |
Pat
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 | 02:55 AM
For any one who cares, I have started the ball rolling in my city
thanks to all the help from people on this forum (even Joel:)) and my
trusty laptop. What did we do before GOOGLE?
I spoke to one of the Lifewave sellers here today and she is now
acutely aware this is a scam.
Luckily there are only a handful of people selling Lifewave patches in
this area, she knows them all and she is happy to print off some of
the forum pages, that classic Christmas poem and a few other things to
show them. She is also going to confront one of the organizers of the
next meeting due here soon and present him with the info also.
I was sorry to tell her she will not even be able to contact her
Australian manager MARGARET PREECE for support or advice as she will
just vanish if she indeed ever existed....but she didn't know she even
had a manager and had never heard of, or from Margaret....
Thank you all so much for all your help and support over the past
week. It has been fascinating but also extremely saddening learning
how innocent lovely people are so easily duped and conned by people
the likes of DAVID SCHMIDT....... |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 | 12:30 PM
Pat,
Nice one.
Be prepared for some serious flack from LifeWave distributors. After all you are threatening their ability to make money from the con.
Here's one of your country women, Kathy Coles, who is very serious about Omega Global's scam the AmWand.
Watch and enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNuPMapj55U
It demonstrates nicely how scams function and how not every person involved actually understands it is a scam! |
Pat
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 | 08:17 AM
I wish I had that magic Amwandy thingy. Maybe I could then wave it around and all the pain that is associated with all these scams and especially the Lifewave scam, will just go away!
Peoples whole lives are destroyed after selling this crap!!! Imagine, selling this rubbish, then being 'exposed' by some nobody who hardly knows you, like me, to all your family, friends and neighbors but all you really wanted to do was help people get out of pain!!!
Imagine the SHAME and then having to REFUND all those people you sold all this rubbish to.....if you have a conscience...and want to stay out of court...
Don't go looking for your Lifewave manager to bail you out, she/he is not there for you, she/he possibly doesn't exist and if she/he ever did, she/he will not help you:( She/he is really too busy running off to the airport with her/his suitcase full of cash... |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 | 02:49 PM
Pat,
"...suitcase full of cash..."
That's the implied promise of LifeWave.
Getting in on a "sure thing" is something that appeals to many.
As has been pointed out many times before, very few people actually make money from LifeWave, or any other MLM/Pyramid scheme. Only those near the top of the pyramid make any kind of real money.
Remember, even inside management people, Warren Hanchey and Ken Rasner were not happy with their cut of the scam so they left to set up their own scams.
Only one person is making real money...David Schmidt.
He chose the California life style and dumped his wife, kids and the family dog back in Georgia to pursue his glitzy life in LA.
How's that working out for ya, David? |
WWSN
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 | 04:07 PM
Lifewave is SO excited for their upcoming 2011 International Conference in Paris next month:
<em>Here |
Pat
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 | 07:33 PM
Australian Lifewave sellers might not realise all the recent material they have been sent to view is dodgy. The interview with Suzanne Somers could be years old and has nothing to do with Lifewave products...and the supposedly recent news footage which seems to endorse Lifewave is no more than one of several 15 minute film William Shatner was throwing together for businesses to send/sell to their distributors in a DVD exactly like the one you have been offered. I watched the whole ""interview" and so should you all. I would have thought if David Schmidt actually invented nanotechnology he might have mentioned it at least. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 | 08:25 PM
Pat,
Schmidt never claimed to have invented anything but the patches.
Since 2005 he has made various statements about how the patches work.
"Talking" to your cells.
Heating and cooling effect.
Using light.
Affecting acupressure points.
He tends to adapt each story to a particular market.
The one common theme is that NONE of the explanations are verifiable despite his LIES that proper studies exist.
Schmidt continues as one of the leading sociopath scum bags out there today. |
Joel
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 12:05 AM
Bob at WWSN, thanks for the info about Lifewave |
Joel
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 12:06 AM
<b> DR. LISA TULLY</b>
We are also familiar with Dr. Lisa Tully. She is hooked in with the Fenestra Research Laboratory scam, http://www.fenestraresearch.com/Lisareview.pdf. That |
Pat
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 05:10 AM
What a crazy world we live in.
I have to think David Schmidt really is a magnet...for other weirdos.
Lifewave actually gave these useless bits of plastic free to the hurricane victims??? Why not give them food, shelter and grief therapy. They were hungry, cold and had lost loved ones.
With world wide coverage it was obviously too good a photo opportunity for him to miss!!!!
Anyone earning any money through the sale of any of the Lifewave products, hang your head in shame. |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 01:53 PM
And here is Dr. David Schmidt's explanation of his "molecular antennas":
The science behind LifeWave NC |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 02:04 PM
That same Lifewave page "About Nanotechnology" promises these benefits from Dr. David Schmidt's nanotechnology research:
________________________________
What is exciting about the LifeWave NC |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 03:12 PM
I added some more classic Lifewave stuff to the:
<b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
web site. Now when you visit, you will automatically have a chance to hear Dr. David Schmidt describe what it's like to be a "doctor" at his very own "Lifewave Patch Hospital".
After that, you may click on his photo to the left to hear about a new Lifewave patch called the "FlyHigh" patch.
And then further down the page there is the video in which Dr. Schmidt explains nanotechnology in his own unique and simple-minded manner, because:
"According to the FTC, we are required by law to have on our website explanations of our product that can be understood by the general public; this means that the explanations have to be so simplistic that a 3rd grader can understand them, thus the reason for the cell phone analogy and the over simplification of terms." - David Schmidt
I'm sure you are all aware of the many FTC laws requiring simplistic 3rd grade explanations... |
jayessell
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 05:14 PM
:coolsmirk:
No need to fear SkyNet as yet...
The Google Ad engine sees that we are discussing LifeWave
and thinks (???) that we might need some.
As a courtesy it supplies links to:
http://www.synergy1st.com
http://www.buylifewavepatch.com
and
Free Shipping - Lifewave Save on Amazing Nanotech Patches - Calls Answered Live - 800-948-2049 http://www.energy1st.net
I think Watson would pick up on our comments not being endorsements. |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 | 05:36 PM
I've been going through some of the earlier links to the Lifewave scam I hadn't visited in awhile. I loved what James Randi had posted regarding Dr. Steven Haltiwanger:
"Curious about the qualifications of Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, MD, CCN (the latter a nutritionist degree), listed by LifeWave, I found that he'd studied under Dr. Hans Nieper, a German doctor/oncologist who described certain varieties of cancer as the result of "tachyon field turbulence of the geopathic zone," and ran on endlessly about "energy fields" and "harnessing useful energy from space," which he referred to as the "tachyon field." Dr. Haltiwanger prescribed extracts of mistletoe and Dionaea muscipula as remedies to treat cancer; that last substance is the Venus Fly Trap plant...."
<b><a href="http://www.randi.org/jr/050605free.html#3" target="_blank">James Randi on Dr. Haltiwanger</a></b> |
Pat
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 | 01:00 AM
I wonder if Dr. Haltiwanger will personally try those patches on himself if he thinks they would be good for sexual purposes?
Is there a warning on the packs to not use them on private parts?
I know they use good quality adhesive for extra GRIP!
I was in quite a bit of pain while removing one from my elbow as it was placed directly over the damaged tendon.
I know someone will say for elbow pain I should have put it on my bum but I did as I was instructed by the demonstrator who was highly trained.... |
Pat
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 | 05:24 AM
Finally got around to reading the first 20 or so pages of this forum as opposed to skimming and skipping. I was annoyed to read someone in 2005 was already waiting for the penis enlargement patch as that just stole my thunder years later in 2011...😊
I also noticed LOTS of mention of TESTS being conducted soon...in 2005...to see how these patches work. Lifewave has been selling patches for how many years? And they still don't know what they are selling or how it works???? Not sure why it is taking so long...it is 2011 and still nothing? No conclusive evidence?
I am aware that a lot of people believe in the Bible. I have been told that when Jesus healed the blind man, he didn't actually restore his eyesight, he just helped him see the light of God or some such thing.
I have tried to do the same with the lovely lady I met recently. I wanted her to see what she is doing and maybe save herself from further humiliation. I am sorry to say that my lovely new friend is going to continue on with selling/applying these patches as she is seeing results she says.
Lifewave tell their people they are not allowed to advertise in Australia but they don't tell them the true reason why....they are told it has to do with jealously (from real drug companies who offer real pain relief)...or some such thing...they are not told the real reason why the Government of an entire country would prevent them from advertising this product...... |
WWSN
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 | 10:52 PM
I'm pretty sure that Dr. Haltiwanger was already thinking of the Lifewave Penis Enlargement Patch when he whispered into Dr. David Schmidt's ear during this speech a few years back:
<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.info/dshgh.htm" target="_blank">Lifewave Patches In the Future</a></b> |
WWSN
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 | 10:59 PM
Lifewave's latest e-mail update included this announcement:
<b>New Marketing Postcard Now Available for Download</b>
Let your prospects and customers know about our revolutionary anti-aging patch, Y-Age Aeon, with a sleek new marketing postcard featuring Suzanne Somers! This professionally designed 4 x 6 card includes a quote from Suzanne, provides a compelling explanation of the Aeon technology and details major benefits. This is a great tool for reaching out to your prospects.
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This postcard also states:
<b>"New Technology
puts Aging in SUSPENSION?</B>
It also includes an attractive photo of the Lifewave Ambassador that is about two decades old.
The WWSN wants to help with this new marketing tool, so we have updated the postcard with a more current photo of Ms. Somers:
<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.info/lwss.jpg" target="_blank">Suzanne Somers AFTER using Lifewave Y-Age Aeon Patches</a></b> |
Pat
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 | 11:05 PM
Alas, it is too late for Dr.Haltiwanger. He won't be needing one of those enlargement patches any time soon. He really should try the weight loss patch and anti aging patch though. He says they work but the proof is in the pudding as they say and he sure is a pudding! |
WWSN
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 | 02:40 PM
Anyone out there have any experience with France or the French language or the French government?
I've thought of having the <b><a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b> translated into French.
But it's also quite possible that the French government might take an interest in this MLM scam invasion being planned by Dr. David Schmidt, the portly Steven Haltiwanger, and the wrinkled-up botox queen Ms. Somers.
Any ideas or suggestions?
Bob
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 | 03:31 PM
Bob,
I have posted a few times in other languages by using an online translator.
I'm sure it's far from perfect but I think it gets the points across.
e.g.
http://translate.google.com/
Bob,
J'ai post |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 | 03:33 PM
The Wonderful Lauren De Rock DVM is still pushing LifeWave patches for horses and their owners.
What a complete chump she is!
http://www.drderock.com/
"Having worked with energy medicine such as Homeopathy and Radionics, I knew that this was indeed possible."
WTF! |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 | 11:50 AM
Great news!
In honor of the upcoming LifeWave 2011 International Conference in Paris, I have resurrected the original "Catch Patch Fever" WWSN Graphic Novel:
<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.info/gn/lwp1index.htm" target="_blank">"Catch Patch Fever - The Online Lifewave Graphic Novel"</a></b>
Go deep inside the Lifewave scam operation headquarters, visit exotic tropical locations, battle mutants and monsters, ride in a helicopter, shoot at bad guys, and blow things up from the comfort of your own home.
And share the link with others - who ever knew an MLM pyramid scheme could be so much fun!
Bob
WWSN |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 | 12:44 PM
"There is a huge potential in this company to make money."
The ever hopeful Lauren De Rock DVM.
Here website demonstrates how to make a mockery of her profession.
http://www.drderock.com/
She is the reason that peer review was instigated at the Journal where her horse "study" was published.
That was a small achievement I feel happy to have had a hand in.
Check out this 2007 post on
http://www.wellness.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=185
LifeWaveExposer
View ProfilePosted: 14 August 2007 at 2:15am | IP Logged
Best4u,
"Did you ever actually read that horse paper in the Journal of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association that you're relying on? I did. Every word of it. It's hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. See http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526 /P2420/ for some commentaries on the amazingly poor methodology and logic used in the paper. The author of that paper was a LifeWave distributor (who therefore has a financial interest in getting people to buy Lifewave patches) who has sold other scam products in the past.
But here is the best part. The fallout from that article caused the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association to decide that from now on they should start peer reviewing the articles they publish. Yeah, it was that embarrassing to the Association.
I've also read every word of David Schmidt's (the supposed "inventor") patent applications. They're hilarious.
One of those applications was signed by "Dr. David Schmidt." Schmidt is not a doctor of anything. He apparently doesn't even have a 4-year college degree in any subject, let alone in any scientific subject. He's a charlatan.
Lifewave is a scam.
Anybody who sells Lifewave should be ashamed of himself/herself."
Nicely put! |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 | 07:52 PM
Hmmmmmm....
Those Lifewave goofballs seem to be attacking my web sites and hosting services again.
Good thing I have mirrored sites and backup hosts.
I can post duplicate sites in every country on the planet faster than they can shut them down.
We'll be back up shortly!
Bob
WWSN |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 | 08:00 PM
Bob,
At least we know all the comments are making a difference! |
Pat
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 | 09:42 PM
Did all the crew at Lifewave begin their careers as purse snatchers? They are still firmly committed to their chosen profession it seems. They will be purse snatchers till the day they shuffle off this planet. There is no patch to take away their shame! |
WWSN
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 | 10:02 PM
I love a challenge!
I'm in the process of forwarding ALL WorldWide Scam Network traffic to the LifewaveScam.com pages.
Dr. Schmidt has sent his lawyers after me before and he lost that battle. He will lose this one, too.
I can set-up new domains in China, Russia, India and a dozen other countries at about ten dollars each. It'll cost Lifewave several thousand dollars each to send their lawyers around the world to try and shut them down.
And with each new domain location, Google catalogs, searches, logs and caches it each time as a new web site. Each NEW domain location is equal to ten new web sites, as far as the Internet and Internet search engines are concerned.
Since Dr. Schmidt is not familiar with the United States Constitution and the First Amendment, he'll have to learn about it the hard way.
Bob
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WWSN
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 | 08:29 AM
The WorldWide Scam Network is back!
And it is now ALL Lifewave ALL the time at:
<b><a href="http://worldwidescam.com" target="_blank">WorldWideScam.com</a>
<a href="http://worldwidescam.info/sumlwall.htm" target="_blank">WorldWideScam.info</a>
<a href="http://lifewavescam.com" target="_blank">LifewaveScam.com</a></b>
And be sure to read our Lifewave MLM Illustrated Graphic Novel:<b>
<a href="http://worldwidescam.info/gn/lwp1index.htm" target="_blank">Catch Patch Fever!</a></b>
Bob
WWSN |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 | 07:16 PM
I can't believe it's been over 6 years before this forum was first started. How the hell has lifewave been able to get away with their scam this long???? |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 | 07:49 PM
Razela,
I totally hear you. Unfortunately, I now believe that, despite the ready availability of information exposing the scams, the capacity of gullible people to buy into those scams is bottomless, and it appears as though the FTC is too busy bringing actions to shut down more high profile and more massive scams to concern themselves with Lifewave. See http://ftc.gov/index.shtml
Interestingly, the FTC announced that, for the first time, it obtained a court order (apparently only a slap on the wrist) against a consumer for giving a false testimony that the scamster used in his ads:
<i>"Finally, the FTC and Colorado Attorney General charged Marsha Kellogg |
Joel
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 | 09:39 PM
Interesting article in The Economist on the mounting evidence of the power of the placebo effect.
<b>Think yourself better:
Alternative medical treatments rarely work. But the placebo effect they induce sometimes does.</b>
http://www.economist.com/node/18710090
Excerpt: <i>"Unlike their conventional counterparts, practitioners of alternative medicine often excel at harnessing the placebo effect, says Dr Ernst. They offer long, relaxed consultations with their customers (exactly the sort of |
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