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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Yikes
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 | 01:27 PM
Wow...you guys are STILL at it.

Well, I guess Suzanne Sommers is apart of the scam too!

Hang it up idiots. Medical doctors doing their own research on the Lifewave patches apparently are idiots as well...and the M.D.'s all over the world are too.

ALL IDIOTS! You all on this site...all 4 of you...need to set everyone straight. I'm sure these highly trained and education people all over the world will listen to you 4.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 | 03:23 PM
Yikes,

It seems the message here is a little too simple for you to comprehend.

LifeWave patches and now the company offshoots, 8ight and Mojo Future Tech (Warren Hanchey) and CieAura (Ken Rasner) as well as Power Balance and a host of wannabes are ALL SCAMS.

The Power balance SCAM has been EXPOSED on TV a few months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd0Gb9EgkHA

Suzanne Sommers?

Your point is what exactly about her?

ANY professionals associating themselves with LifeWave are either known crooks, e.g. Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, people who have been unwittingly conned into believing this SCAM or people who are knowingly participating in the SCAM and are therefore SCAM ARTISTS.

There are NO medical research studies...NOT ONE.

Please don't insult us by offering up the LifeWave "research" dossier.

I, for one, continue to post here BECAUSE of people like you.

You are happy to promote this SCAM, and no doubt many others, because of GREED, pure and simple.

I shall refrain from name calling as 1. It is against the rules of this forum and 2. The word idiot doesn't quite describe what I think of you.

Duh.
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 | 02:59 AM
I agree yikes... years later ( not weeks or months ,, but YEARS ) these guys are still here posting away about this " scam " lololol.

I stop in from time to time when im in the mood for a good chuckle.
AmosMoses
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 | 02:41 PM
Yikes,

Believe me, we are setting this straight, even though some, such as yourself and the many faces of cleon, are simply mesmerized by Schmidt, et al, and are blinded beyond reason. I do realize that all these pesky facts disputing any and all validity whatsoever behind LifeWave aggravate the hell out of you, especially when all you have to tender in reply is sophomoric ad hom rantings and silly, baseless Schmidtisms, but the fact remains that LifeWave "products" are useless little ornaments for the deluded, the ignorant, the naive, the gullible, and those that possess a credulity unmatched even by very small children.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 | 06:04 PM
http://www.mlmrankings.com/lifewave/trend.htm

Not doing so well 5 years on.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 | 05:35 PM
Yikes...

I'm still at it after 5 years because of websites like this:

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000114882

"LifeWave's Glutathione For Autism And Many Other Benefits"

It's bad enough that SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) Schmidt continues to push his SCAM, but when the parents of Autistic children are given false hope, that's a new low.

"This is great news for Autistic children"

In the fine print, LifeWave actually states:

"The LifeWave patches are intended for healthy adults, age eighteen and over."

Schmidt is one despicable piece of human trash.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 | 07:04 PM
Don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 | 07:19 AM
Poor LifeWave Patches.
They have become so "old school"

Better Than Lifewave - Quantum Energy Power Pendants!
INCREASE ENERGY, MUSCLE, RID FAT, WEARING NANO PENDANT!

Bet David Schmidt wishes he had developed his original idea of producing bracelets and pendants back in 2005.

Being sold on Ebay:

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THE ITEM FOR SALE IS BRAND NEW, UNOPENED AND COMES WITH A FREE TARNISH PROOF CHAIN!
PENDANT IS A 1.5 INCH PERFECT CIRCLE, TRIPLE LAYERED, AND THEIR MOST POWERFUL PENDANT,
WITH ENERGY RADIATING FROM IT THAT YOU CAN REALLY FEEL!
A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT EVEN HANDLE THE ENERGY, USUALLY NEED TO WORK THEIR WAY UP TO WEARING THIS ONE!
THE ITEM NORMALLY SELLS FOR $120.00... I AM SELLING THEM FOR $75.00 FREE SHIPPING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!
30 DAY SATISFACTION MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!
Try it out for 30 days... If you are not happy,
we will buy it back from you
no hassle, no gimmicks, thats our promise!
Disclaimer: These products have not been evaluated by the FDA or Health Canada.
These Products are not intented to cure, or treat any illness or condition.
These are tools intended to assist you in your own personal journey into self exploration.
Wayne .J
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 | 07:51 PM
Hi to all ,

I have recently been introduced to Life wave patches which is growing at a huge rate on the Gold Coast......I have been on constant pain control medication for 10 years after a result of a car accident which left me with a fully reconstructed knee and foot and cracked discs in my back.......I bought a 2 month supply of Pain patches and the Y-age and energy patches as described and done there 5 day protocol to rid toxins from the body......After doing the protocol I dropped 7 kg and since being on the Ice wave patch have been able to cut all my pain medication out.....I still feel discomfort from my injuries but the day to day living has definately made a diffrence in my life.....I have more Energy on a daily bases than I have had in 10 years......I am not interested in joining Lifewave as a distributor but have only tried these for my own benifit.......I am still really confussed on the whole subject on how they work or what it is that is finally giving me the pain relief results.....After doing a few searches on Lifewave and seeing the scam sites about the company which also bought me to this site....I am even more confussed about the product and my personal results.....For those who know what they are talking about I would be gratefull for info on why they don't work when I have had some great results.....Is it the body playing tricks if so I like it.....Thanks for any geniune responses..

Wayne
AmosMoses
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 | 08:12 PM
Wayne,

I am happy that you are feeling good, but, I am sorry to say that the only effect that these patches could possibly have is a placebo effect. I am not necessarily saying that this is behind your situation, as it could be that after ten years, you are possibly feeling better simply by virtue of time passed since your accident. I would, if you are willing to say, be curious as to what pain meds you were on.

Basically, if waving a chicken bone in the air and screaming "Yabba Dabba Dooo!" made you feel better, well, it would be hard to argue against doing it. These patches have as much power and ability to create physiological effects as the chicken bone method described above.

If someone had patches the same color, thickness, texture, etc., as these LifeWave patches, and those were doled out to unknowing individuals in a 50:50 ratio along with LifeWave patches, there would be no statistical difference in the results achieved between the control patches and the "real" LifeWave patches.

Wikipedia has a good article on placebos and placebo effect. Please read it, and good luck to you. I sincerely wish you well with your health!
Wayne .J
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 | 08:48 PM
Thanks for your response ......I will definately look up the placebo effect...I do not believe my pain especially in my back could just finally disappear that fast after using these patches...but also dont know how the patches could drop 7 kg of body weight after doing the protocol ...I am a sceptic and also agree with a lot of the comments made in regards to these patches and the scientific evidence as there isn't any real proof......I am not one to be sucked into a MLM buisness no matter how good it seems.....My pain control tablets I was on included Panadeine Forte and Trammadol.....I was also on a Morphine patch for a little while but these made me very sick and sluggish.....I am in no way trying to indorse or say they work or dont work but can only go off my personal experience and try figure out what effect these have made to me.......I look forward to doing some research on the placebo effect....I do feel just because some medication don't work for 1 don't mean it won't work for others.....But I also agree with your theory of a chicken bone .....Thanks again !!
Cheers Wayne
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 | 04:29 PM
Wayne .J
in Gold Coast ,Australia

Hi Wayne and welcome to one of the longest running threads on the hoax forum!

Forgive me if , at any stage, I give any indication that I don't trust you to be who you say you are, but, if you have read a good amount of this thread, you'll understand why.

We have had many a poster who just happens to come across this thread and makes nice with the skeptics here for a while before revealing their true intent.

However, for starters, I'm going along with your posts at face value.

There are a few areas that might be useful in your search for answers.

The placebo effect, of course is one, and I have posted here many times the 2005 research study from Ann Arbor Michigan.

The importance of the study was to show that REAL changes in the human brain could be elicited when subjects thought they were receiving pain control via an IV drip. The study proved conclusively that there is far more to the notion that placebo = all in the mind. It is now known that we can produce our own pain killers when the right conditions exist.

Here's the study:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=brains-own-pain-relievers

The second area of interest for you is pain medicine "rebound".

"...the wearing off of the drug brings on an exaggerated level of pain which calls for more drug and a negative vicious circle of narcotic use."

http://www.prolonews.com/doctors_who_wont_treat_pain.htm

You can imagine that a person who has been on the pain medicine treadmill for many years, and in constant discomfort, is a great candidate to try something new.

But, along with the something new usually comes confounding variables.

The person will often follow advice about better hydration, or exercise, or eating habits, areas of our life that may well improve overall wellbeing without the addition of the pendant or bracelet, or patch, or holographic chip.

The MLM items give us something to fixate on while we undergo the process of changing over from old habits to new ones.

The mistake occurs when a person attributes the changes they experience (if indeed any occur) to the MLM item purchased, be it CieAura, Power Balance, Mojo Future Tech, Advita Energy, 8ight, EFX, The Golf Chip, Fusion Excel, Biopro, Biodisc, Chi Energy Pendant, Q-Link, Nu Me Pendant, Zero Point Energy Wand, Scalar Energy Pendant, etc. etc. etc.

With new products coming out every week it's hard to keep pace.

The difficult part for someone in your position ie a chronic pain sufferer, is what IF the new MLM item really worked and you could be free of pain?

And there you have it.

It's the one thing ALL these SCAMS are relying on. Understandable human nature.

Why wouldn't a person give it a try?

But, did you ever stop to think at any point why all these companies have magically discovered a new science within months/years of each other?

Why has NOBODY claimed this new "SCIENCE" as their sole invention?

Why do many of these new companies use the SAME Applied Kinesiology "strength test" with some companies now even resorting to the "finger lift" party trick ( four people lift someone on a chair up in the air...a trick I have done with friends WITHOUT using any MLM product!)

End of part 1
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 | 06:06 PM
Part 2.

So, if you use the patches and feel nothing will that mean you've proved the patches don't do anything and it's all a SCAM?

Not necessarily, as the company will be quick to point out. You may have applied them incorrectly or not been hydrated enough, or any one of a number of reasons that you didn't have a result.

What if you did experience less pain?

Would that mean you proved the patches worked as described?

How could you possibly know?

Perhaps the extra hydration helped or any other changes in your routine?

Perhaps being fixated on the patches allowed you to produce your own endorphins (as the research now proves conclusively can occur).

Perhaps you have reduced your medications and in conjunction with the placebo effect (and production of your own endorphins) you have managed to pass through the usual rebound effect experienced by many pill takers?

One way or the other, you will not have a conclusive answer to the simple question.

Are LifeWave patches a SCAM?

What you will have is a testimonial and as we all know, by now, testimonials are of no use EXCEPT as advertising for the SCAM itself.

Which brings us to my final point and one I have posted here many times.

The ONLY conclusive way to prove/disprove efficacy of the product is properly conducted clinical research with results being published in widely accepted professional quality scientific journals.

Such studies would be capable of replication around the world by other researchers with similar results.

LifeWave makes various claims about research, however, in over 5 years, not one shred of real evidence has been forthcoming. Not one.

Have you ever wondered why?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 | 06:27 PM
Wayne .J
in Gold Coast ,Australia

In April of 2009, a fellow countryman of yours, "Lissa in Australia" joined the discussion.

She posted for a while and left us with word that she was looking for someone to conduct research on the patches from within the Australian medical community. In her case it was Glutathione and her autistic son.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P4860/

We are still waiting for further comment from Lissa.

If you read the posts around that time you'll see a number of Australian posts, some for, some against.

Here's a lady in the USA

Jane
in Los Angeles
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 07:43 AM

"I tried the Lifewave patch for several weeks and felt no change. I tried it in all the places
suggested and followed the structions very carefully. Others I spoke with who tried it could not tell any difference when using the Patch.

I think the people who sell it, really believe in it. Maybe they feel something. I suspect it to be all in their head, but I do not know for sure. They are very expensive for both the customers and the distributors. I feel that I wasted a tremendous amount of money for something that did not work. The ingredients do not seem to be anything that would make any difference. I would not recommend this product to anyone."

Is Jane's post of any use in the search for truth?

Check out "Critter in the Land of Oz"

Is his scathing review of value in the search for truth?

How about "The Skeptic in Brisbane"?

Did his comments do anything to further the search?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 | 06:20 PM
An old "friend" Karma Singh (Harmony Chips) from back in 2005 now gives us new insights...including:

"Since April of 2009, there has been a great deal of publicity about a possible major world health hazard. The vast majority of this has, unfortunately, been propagated by those having a large financial interest in persuading us that we are in great danger and need to purchase their products to save our lives.

Modern scientific findings, however, place very great doubt upon the accuracy of many of these statements and suggest that "infectious diseases" in the way that we have been taught may not even exist!

In the final part, the work of Gaston Naessens, continuing that of Pasteur's great rival Piere B
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 | 09:08 AM
Off topic, I know, but Karma Singh is branching out into the German market, but I'm not too sure what he's selling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leDgjM3TK38&feature=related

Google translation of this reply:

"hm jemand bei laune und lust mit mir zu chatn hab auch bilder wenn ihr sehen wollt"

"hm someone with lust and moody with me to chatn've also seen pictures if you want"

Oh Karma, you are the lad!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 | 09:13 AM
OK, It appears that Karma Singh is now a clairvoyant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leDgjM3TK38&feature=related

"Due to the many questions that received the clairvoyant Karma Singh on his two videos on German politicians, he has now looked at the parties again and came closer to an interesting result. More information..."

I guess the Harmony Chips didn't work out.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 | 05:47 AM
Latest "DEMO" for a SCAM.

One of the funniest yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9Z6l5GAx0&feature=related

Enjoy!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 | 06:34 AM
Save your goldfish!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsADYw0UjnI&feature=related
jayessell
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 | 06:41 PM
I see some of the YouTube scammers have learned to disable replies.


I wonder if that magic pendant protects against gunshots?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 | 07:02 PM
jayessell

It's a conspiracy!!!

Ken Rasner has paid all these guys in Malaysia to post videos about all types of new age woo woo to take the gaze off his CieAura SCAM.

There are more and more every day.

Partial list:

CieAura, Power Balance, Mojo Future Tech, Advita Energy, 8ight, EFX, The Golf Chip, Fusion Excel, Biopro, Biodisc, Chi Energy Pendant, Q-Link, Nu Me Pendant, Zero Point Energy Wand, Scalar Energy Pendant, Amega Global, Aulterra, GiaWellness, AquaGia,
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 | 09:04 PM
I still like the Stirwand for one of my favorite scams (http://www.quantumagewater.info/). It was verified by the same fine scam laboratory as verified Lifewave, namely, Fenestra Research Labs (http://www.fenestraresearch.com/), which still has the disclaimer on its home page admitting to having falsified data for its customers.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 | 06:38 AM
Joel,

The great thing about all these SCAMS is that information is in plain sight for those willing to see.

Elegant!
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 | 07:42 PM
Dave/EDHUK - Yes, as you pointed out before, the marks are pretty self-selecting.

The easily fooled, the wanna-believers, and those who don't do their homework practically lace the hooks through their own mouths and then jump of their own volition into the nets of Dave Bullschmidt and the never ending stream of pixie dust peddlers just like him.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 | 04:14 PM
<b>A DOUBLE BLIND, PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDY OF LIFEWAVE PATCHES FINDS NO EFFECT</b>

The Kool Aid drinkers keep demanding to see a double blind, placebo controlled study that demonstrates that the patches have no effect. Well, here's one

<b>Effect of LifewaveTM Patches on Fat Metabolism in Moderately Active Women</b>
Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise:
May 2008 - Volume 40 - Issue 5 - p S327
("The official journal of the American College of Sports Medicine.")

<i>CONCLUSION: These data suggest that Lifewave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 | 05:38 PM
Joel,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a properly conducted scientific research study with results published in a widely accepted scientific journal?

"RESULTS: There was no significant interaction or any main effect for group or time variables (p>0.05).

CONCLUSION: These data suggest that Lifewave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 | 10:54 AM
Dave/EDHUK,

I couldn't say for sure whether this was a "a properly conducted scientific research study with results published in a widely accepted scientific journal."

It looks like they used only 17 participants, which is a pretty low number. But at least it says it was double blind and placebo controlled, unlike many of Lifewave studies which Lifewave claims in its promotional material to have been double blind and placebo controlled, but if you read the study write-up itself turns out to have been conducted by a Lifewave distributor and not double blind and not placebo controlled.

I have no idea whether the study was peer reviewed, and how respected the Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise journal is. But the American College of Sports Medicine, which publishes the journal, claims to have 20,000 members. http://www.acsm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=About_ACSM

Plus, this study agrees with known science, rather than with an ever-changing science fiction story made up by a guy like David Schmidt with a 2-year business degree from Pace University and no science education and with a string of rejected patent applications to his name, but yet who claimed in writing to be "Dr. David Schmidt" before he realized that he couldn't get away with that for long.
Mark
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 | 09:58 PM
Hi Everyone,

I was persuaded to try the Glutathione/Carnosine and Energy patches by my music teacher who is a distributor. When I reported to him that the patches had absolutely no effect on me, he actually seemed offended and said that I needed to give the patches more time to work (i.e. buy more patches from him). At nearly every one of my music lessons, he always manages to move the discussion from music to the latest bunch of people who are having miraculous results with the patches.

He's trying to convince me to become a distributor (under him of course) and even invited me to a presentation given by David Schmidt in Sydney tonight (to which I politely declined).

What the advocates of these patches fail to realise is that if by some chance they actually did work, they could do harm to people with serious illnesses. For example, blocking pain may prevent people from seeking treatment, and boosting glutathione levels in cancer cells actually makes them more resistant to chemotherapy.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 | 07:18 AM
Mark in Australia

The LifeWave SCAM, just like any one of the many SCAMS to have jumped on the woo woo band wagon, all have one thing in common.

They don't actually do anything!

David Schmidt can say what he wants safe in the knowledge that he will never be successfully sued for harm caused by a patch.

In a court of law he would fess up and admit the patches are just placebo devices.

However, your point is well made that people may postpone seeking medical advice while they try out the patches.

The response of your music teacher is typical.

LifeWave has a great deal of standard replies that distributors use.

You were not hydrated enough.

You need to move the patches to other positions.

You need to try them longer.

In some people, they might eventually feel an effect and then attribute it to the patches.

For the few people who continue to follow this SCAM, and some of the other SCAMS, we have read every excuse in the book over the past 5+ years.

In the next few days we'll probably see glowing testimonials following the Sidney presentation.

A presentation given by SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) Schmidt.

A man with a 2 year business degree who just happened to "invent" a new technology, which if true would revolutionize human health as we know it.

The pages of this hoax forum thread contain the whole sorry story for those willing to see.

Those who have self selected themselves as easy marks will be purchasing their patches and joining David Schmidt's ponzi scheme.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 | 07:22 AM
Mark in Australia

Just some of the other SCAMS:

CieAura, Power Balance, Mojo Future Tech, Advita Energy, 8ight, EFX, The Golf Chip, Fusion Excel, Biopro, Biodisc, Chi Energy Pendant, Q-Link, Nu Me Pendant, Zero Point Energy Wand, Scalar Energy Pendant, Amega Global, Aulterra, GiaWellness, AquaGia, Harmony Chip, S.W.A.T.S.,

8ight is Warren Hanchey's SCAM (he's ex LifeWave management) and CieAura is Ken Rasner's SCAM (he's ex LifeWave management also).
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 | 07:26 AM
Mark in Australia

You've got to hand it to Schmidt.

You even have to pay to get in to the presentation!

http://www.lifewave.com/meetingscalls/2010meeting-asiaaus.html
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 | 11:06 AM
Mark in Australia,

You raise an excellent point about the potential negative effects on the body of anything that impacts the body as significantly as Lifewave claims its patches do.

If you think about it, the heart of Lifewave's claims over several years now is that the Lifewave patches irradiate the human body with electromagnetic radiation, causing all manner of wonderful effects in a number of different cell types of the body. Now wouldn't electromagnetic radiation that affects human cell functioning in multiple ways normally be something to be cautious of, especially coming from someone who has no scientific training in anything let alone in how to use electromagnetic radiation in therapeutic ways? But here is (not a doctor or scientist) David Schmidt and his sidekick Dr. Steven ("I can't work as a psychiatrist anymore because I'm on medical probation") Haltiwanger claiming that the radiation emitted by the patches causes dozens of unrelated yet amazingly beneficial effects for the body, and does no harm whatsoever.

Yet Lifewave believers do not even stop for a minute to ask themselves, "Hey, does that really make sense? Does that pass the sanity check?"

Will even a single Lifewave believer stand up here and say publicly, "Yes, that all makes sense to me"?
R
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 | 11:23 PM
I'm not a Lifewave believer, but I stand up and say "yes, that all makes some sense to me". I yesterday encountered Lifewave in a news article saying that a swiss sports team is trying it out and now spent some hours on the internet looking into the scene.

Of course I can't answer the question if it's working or not. But I can see what happens.

To show my viewpoint before entering the logics to it: I can't dig all these "proof addiction testimonies". Why not let those who want to try and profit do that - whereever a possible effect may come from? The only thing I would ask to be scientifically proven is that it does, in the "normally testable field", NOT HARM. If it does need fullfill scientific evidence for positive effect is up to every single person to decide for his dealing or not-dealing with it.

I once had inside knowledge into a similar product. I had subjective first hand experience of myself and a lot of people who tried it. I saw sensational results, and I saw no change - both also on myself for several varieties and application situations of the product. P.e., little wounds of mine healed within hours instead of days, and I saw my then girlfriends skin difficulties in the face which she had for years vanish within weeks - but I also had no effects for my fat burning or for "hay fever" (don't know the correct word and am too lazy to look it up) healing of a close friend.

What was the same of these products was, that a kind of technical /scientifical explication was used for the public marketing communication, which was half (or even less) true (most of the products were plain water with a little alcohol to conserve it cleanly), and this was communicated correctly, together with explanations of "information level of matter and biological life". These public informations were mainly designed to transmit an idea to the public, and how good this idea was was the single criterion in it - as anyway nobody was up to understand the models which would have come closer to truth.

So I recognize a similar pattern in the whole make up of these patches. It's all fake what is communicated, including the patent writing which I have scanned through - the "true functional mechanism" is outside of all which could be explained in usual natural science terms, - if there is any true functional mechanism at all. This I can't judge on distance.

So it could be all fake and pure shit, or only the whole make up and communication fake, but some true gold behind it - I can't judge this without trying, and even with trying I could only come to my individual opinion, not to something "proofable".

I know definitely that for these products which I tried and saw applied by many, there was more than just fake and placebo-effect. I didn't read the whole discussion here, but I guess most of it could have been the same or very similar for these products I know. And for there, I would have known that all these purely rational, fully scientific comments would just have been besides the point. Well, Lifewaves problem, as they try to totally fixate it as not parascientific, but try to have it accepted as within the scientific field.

From the whole make up of it, I'd tend to see Lifewave as full pure fake with nothing behind too and feel no need to try it. But I don't share at all the conclusion which is drawn here by many from the example to a generality - that the scientific explainability and proofablity is the final test for "workingness" of something: There's more between heaven and earth than science can measure and proof.
Mark
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 | 01:41 AM
EDHUK,

I found it amazing that they had the nerve to charge for a presentation which probably was nothing more than a 3 hour sales pitch.

By the way, I forgot to mention in my last post that not only did I feel nothing from the patches, I actually fell asleep in front of the TV one night whilst wearing the "Energy" patches! (I forgot that I still had them on after wearing them all day.)

I can hear the LifeWavers saying that I probably didn't follow the instructions correctly. I can assure them that I did - I tried the patches on every acupuncture point that was recommended, and I was drinking so much water that I nearly peed in my pants.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 | 09:47 AM
Ruedu,

You ask what the harm is by using the patches. The primary harm is to a person's pocketbook. The patches are damn expensive. Some people can afford it more than others. For the ones that can't but are lured by the "miracle cures" that are the lifewave patches, they end up spending what little they have on what is essentially a big, fat lie.

Also, lifewave has made claims regarding much more serious illnesses, for example the claim that it will cure autism. Do you really think it's right for them to sell the patches to a parent of an autistic child based only on fraudulent claims?

You say that you believe the patches work even though no one knows how they work. Just because the mechanisms are mysterious doesn't mean it can't be tested. And yet, it hasn't. In the YEARS that lifewave has been hawking the patches to desperate customers, they have yet to run ONE simple double blind study on the patches. If they work, it shouldn't matter what the mechanisms are, the effects should still be able to be seen in a well-done study.

Jamie
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 | 12:20 PM
R
Mark
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 07:10 AM
Just imagine if discoveries such as antibiotics or the polio vaccine had not undergone extensive research and testing before being released to the public (as well as being sold through MLM - totally unimaginable!), and instead relied only on anecdotal evidence (testimonials).

I'm sure the LifeWavers would first demand to see scientific proof that these products not only worked but were also safe before handing over their money and using them.

So why shouldn't we require the same of them for their "discovery"?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 08:32 AM
The SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist but does have a 2 year business degree)Schmidt can carry out his SCAM in plain sight.

He spreads his SCAM worldwide and deals with problems as they arise such as the European legal problems.

As long as he is making money, Schmidt will continue to milk this MLM SCAM for as long as possible. After all SOCIOPATHS don't have morals or ethics to hinder them like the rest of us.

Just remember to look closely at his face when you see him in person or on video.

That's what a SOCIOPATH looks like.

And he looks like such a personable chap, right?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 10:17 AM
Mark in Australia

I see LifeWave has yet another explanation of how the patches work.

Must be a full time job coming up with this stuff!

"Lifewave patches emit light frequencies which communicate with the body, much the same as light frequencies from sunlight signal our bodies to make more Vitamin D, or make more Melanin. Different frequencies of light are what make up every thing in Nature."

I wonder if you can hold a patch by your car door to see where to put the key in!

http://www.feelbettertoday.com.au/
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 10:27 AM
LifeWave hits the big time in Australia:

http://thinkingisreal.blogspot.com/2010/03/woo-orama-ag-show-nonsense-for-sale.html

"Wagin is a small rural town in Western Australia. Each year it hosts the Wagin Woolorama, a major agricultural fair featuring everything from sheep to art to jam to educational opportunities to combine harvesters."

"So, one doesn't need to go to a psychic fair to get a dose of nonsense, it seems it's available anywhere there's a commercial opportunity to flog it to unsuspecting consumers."

Well done David Schmidt. From flogging your patches at weight loss classes in the US

http://www.worldwidescam.info/dscurves.htm

to hawking your wares at a sheep show in Australia.

Priceless!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 03:24 PM
http://lifewaveaustralia.org/

LIFEWAVE STOCK REDUCTION

We still have available a limited quantity of surplus Lifewave stock.

We are therefore offering Lifewave packs at a once only significantly reduced price until stock is exhausted.

Offer for AUSTRALIA ONLY.

First come first served. Icewave, Energy Enhancer and Silent Nights gettingvery low. No Y-Age left. Please note as this is a special there are no refunds.

Icewave packs usually US$89.95 per pack.

Now A$60

Energy Enhancer packs usually US$89.95 per pack.

Now A$ 60

SP6 Weight Loss packs usually US$89.95 per pack.

Dated March

Now A$ 35

get in there, Mark. What a bargain!
Mark
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 09:32 PM
Thanks EDHUK.

Like you said, what a bargain. I think I'll order a truckload...not.

By the way, I notice they're using the ".org" domain in the "lifewaveaustralia" link you quoted, as if to give it more credibility over the usual ".com" domain names. Very clever.
Mark
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 09:52 PM
From http://www.feelbettertoday.com.au:

"They are worn so as to utilize the energy system of the body, long known to Ancient Chinese Acupuncture and other Quantum physics Medicine Systems...".

"Quantum physics Medicine Systems"? This just gets better and better! I'm still laughing as I type this!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 10:32 PM
Mark
in Australia

ALL of the "new age" woo woo science like LifeWave, CieAura, Power Balance etc., is completely ridiculous yet it's out there.

Of course, it's illegal to advertise LifeWave patches in Australia since the ruling from your very own FTC a few months ago.

Websites in Australia can be reported to the FTC and face fines for misleading advertising.

The FTC has judged, correctly, that LifeWave is unable to substantiate ANY of it's outrageous claims for the products they sell through MLM.

Go get em!
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 10:59 PM
And here's a scum bag in Australia, Andrew Dykes at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), advertising that "Lifewave patches can be very helpful [in treating multiple sclerosis]." http://www.lifewavehome.com/Multiple-Sclerosis.html
Mark
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 | 11:31 PM
Joel,

Unfortunately, we have our fair share of scum/scam bags here in Australia. (They're not all in the US! 😊)

I knew it wouldn't be long before they targeted multiple sclerosis. Next it will probably be cancer, ADHD, premature ejaculation, and every other known disease known to mankind!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 10:22 AM
Joel and Mark

Maybe Dr."Fatty" Haltiwanger had a hand in spreading that piece of anecdotal information?

http://www.lifewavenc.com/leadership.html

"He specialized in treatment of Multiple Sclerosis,..."
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 10:45 AM
Mark, no offense meant to Australians in general. The chief scum bag, "Dr. David Schmidt," is from the U.S. of course, as is this whole Lifewave scam. Can I take this opportunity as an American to apologize to the rest of the world for this Lifewave scam?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 12:16 PM
Joel

No doubt, when the SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist but does have a 2 year business diploma) Schmidt dumped his family to move to LA and a new up tempo lifestyle, he made it part of the "settlement" that the ex Mrs Schmidt could not report his SCAM to the authorities.

As you probably remember, Bob Burtis, over at the WWSN in the days when Bob had more time to devote to it, had an email from Mrs Schmidt that talked about her husband mixing the contents of the patches on their kitchen table with the family, and the family dog, going about their daily business.

At the very same time, the LifeWave website talked about the manufacture of the patches in an approved facility!

Joel, you are more than generous to apologize for the existence of the SOCIOPATH Schmidt.

I'm not going to apologize for him, but then again, I'm not American!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 12:20 PM
R
jayessell
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 12:44 PM
Was that 'Woolorama' or <i>Wooorama</i>?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 01:56 PM
jayessell

I think the location and the sheep clinched it!

David
R
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 | 05:17 PM
EDHU - "I'm eager to read if you have had time to try out ..."

No, I didn't and won't try any of those - I'm not interested in this kind of stuff, was only because of the little publicity which LifeWave got in our press interested for it.

My reason for posting was, let's see if anyone here is interested in a more fundamental question to these all. Seems not, as no reactions to this aspect.

What all these things claim is, they can work wonders. Wonders don't follow known natural laws. So they are not to proof - if the "transmitter" works or not is also influenced by factors which are outside of known natural laws. (The only thing I'd damn LiveWave for is, that they try to make shining it's no wonder, they say it's just a within known natural laws advanced function.)

It's similar to the god (and devil) question - you will never be able to proof if all about it is fake or if the opposition just misses the point. So it's just to be let to the individual decision how to deal with it.

Hence I would never go so far as elect natural science proofs to the umpire if something may be sold or not, except it's very proven heavy damage to the buyer - but not in terms of money. For example, I smoke and am, from a pure scientific viewpoint, crazy and stupid to do that - but it should however stay my decision if I do and pay for it, pay for it probably more than a LifeWave believer for his pads which functionally probably do less harm ... It's my conviction that regulation in such things is just introducing and fixating more crazyness. For example the crazyness of a pharmazeutic market which is - indirectly - mostly regulated by those who produce and sell the pharma and by (the same or a close ally) the scholar medicine.

What happened with things like prozac, or with the production and politic dealing with meds for swine flue, or with the market / social politics of pharma etc is to my conviction much worse than what may happen with LifeWave & Co, despite those tokens have mostly passed scientific approvals.

A little bit arrogantly, I'd say that LifeWave&Co; are profiting from the stupidity of few, while a big portion of unneeded "serious" pharma is profiting from the stupidity of many.

Therefore my interest for LifeWave etc. has gone as fast as it came when I read about a swiss hockey team "going for it" - I was just curious and don't intend to become a missionaire or disputator for either side of these things.
Mark
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 | 04:48 AM
Joel,

No offense taken. Anyway, some of my relatives are American.
jayessell
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 | 07:03 AM
Ruedu...

Are you are saying they work by 'magic', and that is why
they can't be explained by physical laws?

Are you saying they can't be tested for the same reason
ESP can't be tested? It stops working when looked at?

Are you saying LifeWave is a Paranormal product?
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 | 10:36 AM
Ruedu,

You wrote: "My reason for posting was, let's see if anyone here is interested in a more fundamental question to these all. Seems not, as no reactions to this aspect."

Your fundamental point was that the patches work even if we don't know how they work. In my previous post I responded to this DIRECTLY. If you feel that we did not respond then you are either being naive or purposefully ignoring us.
AmosMoses
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 | 11:43 AM
Ruedu said:

Therefore my interest for LifeWave etc. has gone as fast as it came when I read about a swiss hockey team "going for it" - I was just curious and don't intend to become a missionaire or disputator for either side of these things.


Hmmmmmmm...disputator. Is that anything like a sweetpotator? 😊
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 | 04:20 PM
R
Dan Martins
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 | 01:20 AM
Rene Luther Hamilton is the same gut that was mentioned as a resident of Edmonton Alberta Canada. He is involved in the pornograpy business. He was charged as described. He at one time was also sell dream interpretations,and so on. You can find this flake on facebook also.Rene has his World Corporate headquarters located in a mailbox on Jasper Avenue in downtown Edmonton Alberta. The phone number you called in deed is a cell number. He hangs out with flaky guys like Russell Weir,Andre Hamilton his brother and Chris Lee Winters how is a bigger BS then him.
Candy Wrappers
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 | 11:51 AM
It's similar to the god (and devil) question - you will never be able to proof if all about it is fake or if the opposition just misses the point. So it's just to be let to the individual decision how to deal with it.
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