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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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sirk
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 12:38 AM
Over the next 15 yrs there is going many changes ya cant imagine u numb skulls light and energy is proliferated into the atmospheres and free redicales to be wiped out by the great dr shimdt. and also toth patches and make us super mens and womens
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 01:43 AM
kris, that's pretty funny. Your Random Blither Generator had us going for awhile, thinking you were serious.
kris
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 05:49 AM
hey Joel, I found and studied the info for myself - you can do the same, eh!!
Sian
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 09:13 AM
Hi, all, I have cancer and I just had these products recommended to me by an independent financial advisor, whose wife had cancer, and she now uses these and sells them. He may be a salesman, but he seems like a good guy (yes I now that's his job, but still); and he states that the effects (as in, seen working on his wife) are just incredible. This thread is very very old, but... if anyone knows of any progress made, either in proving it's all bunkum, or in showing it isn't, I'd be really pleased. Thanks
Sian
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 09:15 AM
(oh sorry, just saw that there are several pages to the thread and it is still alive... and huge! reading... comments still welcome...)
Sian
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 10:50 AM
OK - so I think my question is now - is there any reason to doubt that the actual products may have qualities - whether presenting them in patch form works or not, whether lifewave are the people to get it from or not - looking for example at the wiki page for carnosine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosine

There are enough studies there - and a good number of them that are bona fide scientific studies - to show that the product is receiving scientific interest, and some proof that in animals there are some benefits shown.

That is what I'm interested in having comments on - not on the lifewave hoax itself, which I believe is just pyramid selling preying on people's credibility.

Thanks for any thoughts, maybe this should be its own thread.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 11:58 AM
Sian in France.

I am so sorry to read that you have been diagnosed with cancer.

Having been diagnosed with cancer in December 2008, and successfully treated, I know what it's like to be told you have cancer.

You have read this thread and can see that it's been going since Feb 24, 2005, over 5 years.

If you've read the entire thread, which must take hours now, I applaud your diligence.

The thread clearly falls into two camps.

LifeWave patches are a SCAM, and...

LifeWave patches work.

IMHO I believe they are a SCAM.

You are the very reason I keep on posting here, and on other Hoax Forum threads I started on CieAura (Ken Rasner from LifeWave) 8ight and Mojo Future Tech (Warren Hanchey from LifeWave) and a few others.

It pains me to see desperate people, who are willing to try anything, get scammed by the likes of SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) Schmidt.

LifeWave has also made outrageous claims about Glutathione and the treatment of Autism (even though the fine print states use in adults 18+)

"OK - so I think my question is now - is there any reason to doubt that the actual products may have qualities - whether presenting them in patch form works or not, whether lifewave are the people to get it from or not - looking for example at the wiki page for carnosine"

Don't forget that LifeWave patches are NON-TRANSDERMAL. That was an essential part of the early scam as Schmidt could bypass legal requirements if his patch had been transdermal.

NOTHING from the patches enters the body, indeed many posters mention that the patches can be placed on your shoes or clothing with equal effect!

After nearly 5 years of posting here a number of us are getting weary.

My previous posts detail my reasons for not believing anything David Schmidt says.

If you haven't read Warren Hanchey's interview this might be a time for you to get some insight into the mind of David Schmidt.

However, bear in mind that Warren Hanchey worked for David Schmidt, then formed his own company 8ight, also a SCAM IMHO, as well as a company selling bracelets containing holographic chips, just like Power Balance (Mojo Future Tech).

http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Warren/E/Hanchey/1065/0/

You will notice that Warren does not state that LifeWave patches are a SCAM. How could he make that statement as he has now started his own SCAMS essentially copying LifeWave but this time using a "new" technology in the form of a holographic chip.

David
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 12:14 PM
Sian in France.

http://www.lifewave.com/yage_info.asp

I presume this is what caught your attention.

"This is the proven method for natural health enhancement. You can now experience how natural Homeopathic medicines can greatly empower your body
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 12:22 PM
Sian in France,

Remember, everything that David Schmidt says is true, right?

"WHAT IS HOMEOPATHY?

Homeopathy is a scientific system of healthcare that activates the body
Sian
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 02:02 PM
Dear Edhuk- thanks for the responses; and - please note I say clearly in my last post, "the lifewave hoax itself, which I believe is just pyramid selling preying on people's credibility." - I do not intend to buy or try anything from livewave or from any of the other linked/related companies, which your diligence has brought to the fore, and others like you. I am very grateful that there are people like you out there, who help to show this sort of hoax up.

But I think I expressed myself really badly, when I said "is there any reason to doubt that the actual products may have qualities" - saying 'the actual products' gives the impression I mean the patches, and I really didn't. What I meant was the substance that the products (purport to) include - for example carnosine. I do not necessarily mean in homeopathic form, either - I mean in whatever dosage is felt to be safe and effective. going on from carnosine, I have also been looking at beta-alanine, a component of carnosine. So far, nothing has in any case convinced me that this stuff would be good for me, even if we did know it worked. The best (least biased) feedback I've read yet was here, http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/carnosine - and no, I'm not vegan or veggy and I am wary of vegans tending to believe in anything alternative - but this is pretty calm stuff.

As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on homeopathy - I know the British government is trying to close the homeopathic hospital down etc. - frankly, I don't believe there is as yet enough information other than it is expensive - believe me, since I am English, I know the state of the health care system in the UK, and what the government will do to save money; some MPs saying there it is too expensive and doesn't work isn't enough for me, I want further medical input. I now live in France, and the French healthcare system uses homeopathy widely - and it is, trust me, an excellent healthcare system over here! So I don't consider homeopathy itself in any way a hoax, although it may or may not actually work.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 02:13 PM
Just looking in on Lisa in Australia:

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 | 03:42 PM

Just an update, I have sent off a couple of emails to real doctors within the autism field to ask them of their interest in doing a double blind placebo study on the glutathione patches, to date

I have had no replies.

I can not approach Lifewave with a request without first having a research doctor on board. I am also following up on having autism australia perhaps conduct a double blind study so I will keep you informed of that when I have more."

So, it's been almost 10 months and I don't think we've had a reply.

Lisa, could you please give us an update on your attempt to get a reputable study of the LifeWave Glutathione patch conducted.

Hope you and your family are well.

David
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 02:27 PM
Sian in France.

You might be right about the need for a new thread about Carnosine etc.

Perhaps you could start one with your basic question about the supposed efficacy of certain substances like carnosine in the treatment of cancer?

"As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on homeopathy..."

Mmmmm and you watched the videos I listed?

"I know the state of the health care system in the UK, and what the government will do to save money; some MPs saying there it is too expensive and doesn't work isn't enough for me, I want further medical input."

I worked in the NHS some years ago so I guess I have a little working knowledge of the NHS myself.

http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_technology/s_t_homeopathy_inquiry.cfm

I believe homeopathy has been put to the test many times over the years and has NEVER proved to be any more effective than placebo.

"A hoax is a deliberate attempt to deceive or trick an audience into believing or accepting that something is real, when the hoaxer (the person or group creating the hoax) knows it is false. In the instance of a hoax, an object or event is not what it appears or is claimed to be; for example, "snake oil", which was sold by 19th century traveling salesmen in the United States as a cure-all. A hoax differs from a magic trick in that the audience is unaware of being deceived, whereas in watching a magician perform an illusion the audience expects to be tricked."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

"...when the hoaxer knows it is false."

So, I guess some of the homeopathy folks do not meet the criteria as they believe in homeopathy.

Nonetheless, I am sorry to read you are on the fence about homeopathy as it will influence your decisions about a number of claims you will read over the next few months.

With a diagnosis of cancer, making the wrong choices could prove costly in more ways than one.

Please be well and let us know here if you start a new thread so that those who choose may join the debate there.

David
AmosMoses
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 | 08:07 PM
Sian,

I, also, am sorry to hear about your health misfortune, and I wish you nothing but the very best.

Basically, as EDHUK says, the most important factor here is that these patches are nothing more than plastic, hermetically sealed "envelopes" that DO NOT put any "dose" of carnosine, or anything else for that matter whatsoever. You get no more good from these patches than you would from carrying a medicine bottle of carnosine around in your pocket. I am quite sure there will be some argument launched vehemently defending these patches, comparing it to some sort of "invisible force", not unlike magnetism, as the source of all of these "miraculous benefits". That said, these patches do nothing beyond the effect of any placebo in certain individuals.

Now, I am quite sure that there will be, and have been, arguments made commending the "benefits", even if it is 100% placebo effect, and therefore commending the use of these patches. However, the damage that "Dr." Schmidt can do in his infinite greed far outweighs any such "benefit", as Schmidt urges one to forgo conventional medicine in favor of his voodoo. Well, that's not really fair to say - these Lifewave patches would give voodoo a bad name!

There's no "homeopathic" argument to be made, either, in defense of these ripoff artists, because just because a "treatment" is unconventional or novel does not make it homeopathic, and it SURELY doesn't make it legitimate.

Of course, your posts indicate that you realize this, and that what you are looking into is certain non-conventional treatments / products that just so happen to relate to the sealed some of contents of these obviously bogus patches. I think that it's both wise and useful to look into anything that may possibly have benefits for you and others similarly situated, but at all times maintaining your common sense, and maintaining conventional healthcare treatments while doing so.

In other words, just because the charlatan vulture Schmidt chose to wrap one of his scams around a certain dipeptide, or any other potentially valuable substance for that matter, does not mean that you should wholly disregard the substance...just disregard "Dr." Bullschmidt's ridiculous lies as being what they are....the fraudulent ravings of a sociopathic con man and hustler based totally on a motive of profiteering.
kis
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 03:07 AM
Sian - because Lifewave chose MLM to promote the patches and get the patches straight to the people on this planet, instead of selling out of a retail outlet does not mean its Pyramid selling - the acutal plan for the patches is nothing like a pyramid.
kris
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 03:16 AM
EDHUK you wrote:
After reading the articles and watching the videos please let us know what you think about LifeWave non-transdermal patches, that claim to be homeopathic, now.

The ignorant statements on this forum are never ending - but this one makes me laugh! How can a patch be homeopathic? Ya dont even know what form homeopathy comes in? A patch? There is an explanation for this stupid statement, but Im not going to sort it for ya, except to tell you that the Lifewave does not claim that the pathes are homeopathic - totally wrong
kris
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 03:21 AM
AmosMoses - this is a completley incorrect statement.
Basically, as EDHUK says, the most important factor here is that these patches are nothing more than plastic, hermetically sealed "envelopes" that DO NOT put any "dose" of carnosine, or anything else for that matter whatsoever. You get no more good from these patches than you would from carrying a medicine bottle of carnosine around in your pocket.

But yr right about one thing - there is no Carnosine in the Carnosine patch. Ya just dont understand the technology thats the problem
kris
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 03:32 AM
Sian, I too have had cancer - I did not go down that conventional road. Do not discard the patches Sian - The Glutathione and Carnosine patches do wonderful things for people.
I wish I could have a chat to you about this and take away the grey areas.
However, buy your self Suzanne Somers book KNOCKOUT - SHE TOO HAS HAD CANCER.
She has travelled the world studying alternate medicine and interviewing Dr's and specialists. You may not want to follow her learnings, but you do have a choice.
Suzanne was first introduced to LifeWave in 2006. After trying the patches and seeing their effects first hand, she became an avid supporter. In her latest bestseller Knockout, Suzanne says, "I love these patches. They are nondrug and do the job perfectly. I couldn
kris
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 03:41 AM
Sian the patches work on a cellular level - thats every cell in ya body. Carnosine is an antioxidant and protein (for damaged cells) Glutathione also helps with protein but is a huge antioxidant, fighting free radicals.
A free radical is a damaged cell which has lost a neuron and so it steals neurons from healthy cells - creating more free radicals. Free radicals accumulate together and create lifeless matter - then you have a wonderful breeding ground for most diseases. Carnosine and Glutathione detox and fight this situation. Good luck Sian
Sian
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 07:12 AM
Thank you all for your answers and good wishes. I shall not be buying via Lifewave or related companies. I shall continue to investigate carnosine and glutathione before deciding whether to purchase any, in what form and from whom.

I don't actually know how to start a new thread, but I would like to do so on these substances - can anyone tell me how, please?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 08:57 AM
Sian,
This is the old forum and does not accept new threads. Go to the new forum at:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums

Select a category and click on New Topic at the upper right corner of the page.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 12:49 AM
Remember Rich Lang, who was in on the ground floor of Lifewave as one of the earliest distributors? He doesn't even mention Lifewave patches anymore on his website http://www.energyrich.com. Instead he now sells holographic collars for dogs, but no patches.

Remember retired Lt. General Teddy G. Allen who was going to sell patches in bulk to the U.S. military? Looks like he's given up on that mission too - his website at http://www.lifewavenc.com now redirects to lifewave.com. I guess convincing the military that Lifewave was anything but a scam was a job that was too much for even a retired 3-star general. Heck, one of my clients just got his products into the PXs, and he doesn't even have any prior connection to the military.

Al Ferguson (http://www.mlm.com/mlm/user/viewthread?thread=7604)? Gone too.

What does that tell you when all these people who got in on the ground floor of Lifewave, just like Lifewave told you you ought to do in order to avoid missing out on the next Microsoft because Lifewave patches were going to completely revolutionize medicine, have all bailed?
AmosMoses
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 03:06 AM
Sian,

Wise choice about Lifewave. I wish you a speedy and successful recovery. I think that you are doing the best thing that you can do in your situation....read, read, read, and then read some more! You can quickly disregard the kind of crap Schmidt is peddling, and maybe find other novel treatments that have some actual potential value.

Best of luck.
AmosMoses
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 03:18 AM
kris,

I don't really give a shit what's in or what's not in these little scam scabs Schmidt is hawking. There is no "technology" to these patches, so there's nothing to understand or not understand. Notwithstanding, let me explain a little something to you about free radicals, (or radicals), since you seem to think that you understand how these patches "work". I think that you should do a little research into radicals before "ya" start cranking out the horseshit. It's been a long time since I even thought about this stuff, but as someone who has had his turn in the barrel with Organic Chemistry, let me teach "ya" a little something.

Your comment:

"A free radical is a damaged cell which has lost a neuron and so it steals neurons from healthy cells - creating more free radicals. Free radicals accumulate together and create lifeless matter - then you have a wonderful breeding ground for most diseases."

is absolutely preposterous. You are so very fundamentally wrong with the most basic part of what you said that you illustrate why you believe these patches actually serve some beneficial purpose. It's been quite a long time since I delved into this boring and forgettable subject matter, but trust me, unlike yours, my explanation is at least fundamentally credible! Your statement is ludicrous.

A free radical, or a radical, MOST DEFINITELY is NOT a cell, plain, pure & simple. A radical is a molecule (or even an atom) that through homolytic cleavage of a covalent bond (relatively "hard" to do, requiring lots of energy because of the stable structure of the molecule or atom), or through single electron oxidation or reduction, winds up with a free, unpaired electron in it's outermost valence shell. This is of course the property that makes a radical so highly reactive. In this very reactive state, as a [free] radical, the molecule, atom, or ion serves as an intermediate in reactions in which it participates.

Radicals are, again, very transient reactive intermediates, highly unstable, and they do not exist "on their own", per se, for the scope of this explanation. You couldn't acquire, say, a bottle full of free radicals, as they are here one second and gone the next, doing their thing as a participant in a reaction in their own search to find a stable configuration, which they will find, and they will then no longer exist in their radical state. Now, there do exist a few certain fairly persistent radicals, this due to reasons rooted in stereochemistry and steric crowding, but that's beyond the scope of the instant explanation, and not very germane here.

The idea that you would say that a free radical is a damaged cell is beyond laughable, but I realize that you are only trying to regurgitate Bullschmidt's propaganda bunk regarding his take on free radical biological effects and aging, so I blame him, not you, for your stupendous ignorance. Now, I generally don't say things like that, but since "ya" keep lecturing anyone and everyone here who disagrees with you, trying to ridicule them while telling them how THEY don't understand this "technology" (laughable in and of itself), well, I figured that what was good enough for the goose....

You are so very misinformed in your commentary that it's laughable. Free radicals do have many biological effects, but like any confidence man, Schmidt takes a grain of truth and runs away with it. Trust me, the idea that free radicals are damaged cells is ludicrous enough, but saying that such obviously transient entities "accumulate together and create lifeless matter - then you have a wonderful breeding ground for most diseases" is beyond extremely stupid.

I can gather what talking points you are TRYING to throw out, but you need to go back and take LifeWave 101 again, because you just made a big, fat "F" on your quiz!
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 11:33 PM
What "technology of the patches"? David Bullschmidt made it all up. Just pulled it out of his *ss. He admitted to making it all up in a signed writing. I have a copy.
AmosMoses
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 05:41 AM
Don't get your panties all in a knot just because you got checked on your ridiculous drivel.

OK...Let me see how this works... you can tell me I am incorrect, when I'm not, but I can't tell you you are, when you are. Yep, that's LifeWave!

You obviously have no idea what a free radical is, and you made up some bizarre bullshit to "fill in the gaps", as it were. And you say you puked up that garbage because it's "obvious that Sian doesn't understand". You surely do sound like your mentor.

Oh, someone doesn't understand, all right, and it's NOT Sian. Seems to me that Sian is a thoughtful, discerning individual who assessed LifeWave, called that spade a spade, and went onward with further thoughtful investigation.

You, on the other hand...well, we all know what you are doing. I'll give you this much - you are quite amusing - to anyone who is not blinded by vague, ridiculous bullschmidt and propaganda. Amusing like the mouse is to the cat as he bounces him from one paw to the other.


Oh, if you want to converse with someone who "knows the technology", you are a bit too late. The Heaven's Gate clan boarded the last spaceship out quite some time ago. Nanoo, Nanoo!
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 10:11 AM
cleon, are you saying that David Schmidt did <i>not</i> admit in a signed writing to pulling the "technology" of the patches out of his *ss, and that I don't have a copy of that document? I'd offer to send you a copy, but it wouldn't make any difference to you, now would it? I know, I know, don't confuse cleon with facts.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 07:23 PM
Kris

Apparently you totally misunderstood my statement.

I'll let you ramble on some more.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 07:26 PM
Kris

"tell you that the Lifewave does not claim that the pathes are homeopathic - totally wrong."

http://www.lifewave.com/yage_info.asp

"INTRODUCING LIFEWAVE PLUS HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINE"

"LifeWave Plus products are formulated based on the principles of Homeopathy."

You were saying?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 08:21 PM
kris
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 | 10:27 PM
"there ya go - it should sink in now Good bye"

But, you just couldn't go could you?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 08:26 PM
kis
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 | 02:07 AM
"Sian - because Lifewave chose MLM to promote the patches and get the patches straight to the people on this planet, instead of selling out of a retail outlet does not mean its Pyramid selling - the acutal plan for the patches is nothing like a pyramid."

Mmmm I think Warren Hanchey would disagree with you there.

http://www.qalias.com/view_profile/Warren/E/Hanchey/1065/0/

"The reason I had gotten involved, along with the original founders, was to create a company to help people with good products. Lifewave seem(s) to me to have evolved into just a ponzi pyramid scheme b(u)y 2006.

Ponzi Pyramid Scheme. If sales are being made in a company doing multi-level marketing, and the reason for the sales is to commission out other people, with the product taking a secondary role, then the pyramid definition seems to fit if the drop out rate is high.

Other indications of this would be that if downlines are manipulated for upline benefit, distributors are cut off without notice, and policies and procedures are changed to further the goals of management a pyramid scheme would seem to be the result."

Perhaps you'd like to drop Warren a note explaining what an idiot he is as well.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 | 08:33 PM
"A free radical is a damaged cell which has lost a neuron.."

I think someone has lost a great number of neurons!

Presumably our buddy Kris meant electron?
AmosMoses
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 02:10 AM
kris/cleon:

Good Lord you are ignorant! THEY DO NOT WORK! Get it!? THERE'S NOTHING TO THEM! PERIOD! That's what everyone keeps telling you, and to support your "argument", you keep telling us to "tell [you] how they work". How dense can you be?

THEY DO NOT WORK! If you are waiting on someone to tell you how they work, you will be waiting forever! THEY.....DO.....NOT....WORK! Get it?!

I mean, I know that some people are thickheaded and dense but you take the cake.

You are the one harping on all the good they do...again, YOU tell US how they work. But, save the "damaged cell lost a neuron" silliness if that's all you have to say. Do you even realize that a neuron IS a cell!? I mean, do you even realize that most very basic, fundamental fact? A NEURON IS A NERVE CELL! How does a cell get damaged by losing a cell?!

Now, again, defend your "argument". TELL US how they "work". You are the one harping on and on and on about how much they do....well, pray tell, please explain it to us, but explain it in terms that are at least slightly logical. Good Lord..."a free radical is a cell that has lost a neuron". This is no exaggeration - you are not even on third grade level basic science! I am honestly embarrassed for you.

NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW THEY WORK BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WORK!
AmosMoses
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 09:29 AM
"Lifewave patches communicate with the body through the human electromagnetic field. This is known as resonant energy transfer. It
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 11:25 AM
Amos Moses

I'm not quite sure what's wrong with Kris, Kis etc. but it appears to be clinical!

He/she/it is quite a believer, apparently.

Luckily, the rantings of the said person do more on this forum to put people off buying into the LifeWave dream than we could ever achieve so I welcome the drivel.

Flow on.

!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 11:30 AM
Cleon.

"Scientist now have discovered the means by which they can communicate with the body's billions of cells. We can now better manage the human body through using Nano technology non transdermal patches on the meridians of our bodies."

A very interesting statement.

A statement that, I presume, explains how the LifeWave patches work.

Scientist (I presume you meant scientists, but maybe you just meant one scientist, the not a scientist David Schmidt)

"...now have discovered..."

Please direct me to the research behind this amazing discovery so that I may learn.

Thank you.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 12:07 PM
BTW Cleon, I suggest you read my posts a little more carefully.

Your posts indicate you misunderstand them frequently.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:18 PM
Cleon

Does your mommy know you're using the computer?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:30 PM
Cleon.

Perhaps when you are in school on Monday you can ask the science teacher to help you understand some basic science.

Kris previously posted:

"A free radical is a damaged cell which has lost a neuron and so it steals neurons from healthy cells - creating more free radicals. Free radicals accumulate together and create lifeless matter - then you have a wonderful breeding ground for most diseases."

It is Kris's assertion that a free radical is a CELL that has lost a neuron..." which has resulted in posts questioning what on earth Kris is trying to say.

Ask your biology teacher to confirm that a NEURON or NEURONE is indeed a NERVE CELL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

For Kris to be talking about NEURONS in the context of free radicals makes no sense.

That is what Amos Moses and others are pointing out to those who can understand.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:34 PM
Amos Moses.

Just when you think you have seen the kookiest posts from LifeWavers ever, along comes someone to blow that thought out of the water.

Let's face it, there have been some dandies, but Cleon takes the biscuit!

I wait with keen anticipation to further my LifeWave education at the feet of a master.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:41 PM
Cleon,

I should have remembered you from last year:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/8237/P11/

Welcome back, I think!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:54 PM
Cleon.

Are you referring to this Resonance Energy Transfer and if so, how do you explain its relationship to a brown plastic patch containing only glucose and a white plastic patch containing only glycerin, as per David Schmidt's own text?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:58 PM
Cleon,
Just for the record, because you have proved to be the MOST difficult poster to date to understand your intent.

Please state clearly:

Do you believe the LifeWave patches are a genuine product that perform just as described by the self titled "inventor" David Schmidt or...

Do you believe, as we skeptics do, that David Schmidt is a SCAM artist who has successfully scammed the public of, perhaps, millions of dollars worldwide.

Please leave an unambiguous answer.

Thank you.
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 07:01 AM
kris/cleon/whatever name "ya" are using at any given point - I'll answer one more time, and I will keep it as simple as possible. Please get a dictionary, as some of the words I will use will have three or more syllables:

kriscleon:" Oh I thought ya knew all about the patches. Surely some one here knows how they work?"

It's bizarrely pathetic that you feebly attempt to defend this quackery, all the while begging and pleading for someone to deliver unto you any explanation of how this scam product "works", and that explanation is simply something which does not exist. Your desperate pleading does, however, illustrate exactly what sort of defect that it takes to fall under Bullschmidt's mesmerizing spell.
*****
kriscleon: "Drugs and Doctors, bad! LifeWave and Suzanne Somers, GOOD!"
Not exactly that - but I thought we were able to have a choice?

You do. My point was that confidence men like Bullschmidt prey on marks like yourself, individuals lacking in sophistication and absolutely blinded by feel good propaganda, too-good-to-be-true promises, outright lies, and the Magical Pixie Dust he farts for you. Even worse, and to my point, he suggests that the cons that fill his pockets should supplant conventional medicine, victimizing those like yourself. I defend your right to choice, but I pity you in your victimization, too.
****

kriscleon: ""Yep, there's a special place in Hell waiting for Bullschmidt, that's for damned sure. He ought to be ashamed for doing this to these people, but that's a real laugh, isn't it??"

"How pathetic'"
&
"Amosmosis (sic)
"A NEURON IS A NERVE CELL! How does a cell get damaged by losing a cell?!
Thats (sic) pathetic to (sic)"

I applaud your first small step the in the right direction. The first hurdle toward any objectivity in individuals like yourself regarding matters such as the instant one can be the largest - that, of course, being at least some admission and real recognition on your part of your indefensibly silly statements. I know it must surely be exceedingly embarrassing to have your child like commentary regarding the "loss of a neuron by a cell" and other similar nonsense visible for all to see, but your recognition of that is very important. The fact that you realize how pathetic your statements are is that first step in the right direction.
****
Who says I dont comprehend -

Well, I do, and you proved it with your silly and incredibly incorrect statements, like the "neuron" statement.

"And if you dont like what I wrote (because you dont agree), perhaps you should take it up with qualified people and researchers and then have a go! If you were that good, you'd be in amongst it all"

I only disagree with your statements because they make absolutely no sense whatsoever, and there is absolutely no doubt that "qualified people and researchers" would agree wholeheartedly. Again, if you can locate any legitimate, double-blind placebo controlled studies regarding this quackery, I would be very interested in reading same.
CONTINUED
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 07:02 AM
****
kriscleon: ""Granted, it's fairly easy to make someone believe what they want to hear, and the power of placebo is valid"

Thats crap, the patches are not placebo, and you know that - or perhaps you dont. I know they're not - Ive proved it."

You are so ignorant of anything even remotely scientific that you have no idea what does and what doesn't constitute "proof". This is, of course, how Bullschmidt operates - preying on the deluded, the gullible, the dimwitted. What he does is disgusting, but it works good for him.
****

I honestly wish that the posters here could have helped you to find enough objectivity to at least consider logic and fact. But, regretfully, no. I am quite sure you...or "ya"... will reply with the same silly statements you keep making, and more of the begging and pleading for someone to "tell you how these patches work", but that won't happen. If you have anything logical to say, I will address it, but I refuse to waste any more bandwidth telling you the same thing over and over, as it is clear that you have been gut hooked by Bullschmidt, and, quite frankly, it's clear that you are so sorely lacking in any fundamental knowledge that helping you is beyond the scope of this forum.

I honestly wish you well, and I hope that you do not decide to totally forgo conventional medicine should you become seriously ill.
AmosMoses
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 08:08 AM
EDHUK:

You are so very correct about the kookiness!!

After a while, I actually sort of started waiting for some of these poor deluded individuals to finally drop a laughing post that showed that they had been pulling our collective legs with their commentary - it was that far-fetched and bizarre! kriscleon's whole "neuron" thing is what really had me doubting the veracity of what seemed to be the poster's genuine lack of ANY sort of knowledge on this subject matter. In the back of my mind, the stranger the comments became the more I thought that maybe, just maybe, someone was trying to post progressively more outlandishly ignorant comments just to see how far they could take the joke.

Notwithstanding, a quick look back at the posts pretty well cinched it - kriscleon is as serious as can be with these posts!

I don't know if you watch "Pawn Stars" or not (a TV reality program that I think may be on The History Channel), but recently, one of the pawnbrokers on the program did a quick assay of a sculpture for the would-be seller/owner of the piece. The pawnbroker carried out his assessment while narrating clearly, logically and objectively his observations, very politely explaining to the potential seller that he (the would-be seller) was the owner of what was most surely a duped, relatively low quality casting, and NOT an original worth thousands of dollars. The pawnbroker explained this in detail, actually pointing out integrity issues (cracks, etc) and stamps/markings that flatly belied that the item was an original piece, and/or that it was even contemporaneous to the period of the original piece as the hopeful seller repeatedly claimed. From the pawnbroker's first comment that questioned the authenticity of the supposed original sculpture, the would be seller immediately began flat out refusing to see that which was right in front of his eyes, his speech and manner going from vehement to obnoxious, and then on to downright aggressive, nearly requiring the intervention of store security (a first time for me to see on the program, and I have seen quite a few episodes). The seller railed on and on, calling the pawnbroker a "liar", among other things, and saying that it made no difference what the pawnbroker said, he (the seller) "would NEVER believe him!!!".

This wholly uninformed shoot-the-messenger mentality is very similar to what we see here. No reason, no logic, just rabid, senseless and repetitive yammering of the same stupidity over and over any time that they do not hear what it is that they want to hear. In answer to documented fact they spew the unverified claims of their mentor, regardless of how ambiguous and goofy those claims are. When told anything that contradicts their deluded perceptions, they screech out with absolutely baseless defiance, and facts, logic, and evidence (or lack thereof) mean absolutely nothing to them when directed against their warped viewpoints.

And, that, my fellow hoaxbusters, is the paramount resource exploited by Bullschmidt and those of his ilk. These sheeple are easily led, and where they are led they follow, damn the consequences. But, what can you do? I feel sorry for them, and of course their dead-set refusal to consider anything factual aggravates me, but all one can do is try. At some point, however, you have done all that you can do, and that is the point where kriscleon stands now. I personally feel that Bullschmidt is solely to blame, not his delusional followers. Hopefully, he'll get so caught up in his own scheming lies, frauds, and cons that it nets him a twenty year vacation at Uncle Sam's Crossbar Motel. He most assuredly deserves it...and, he's earned it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 09:31 AM
AmosMoses

"These sheeple are easily led, and where they are led they follow, damn the consequences."

Ken Rasner is relying on the self selection process when he officially unveils CieAura (his "upgraded" version of the LifeWave patches SCAM) this week.

http://guest.cvent.com/EVENTS/Info/Summary.aspx?e=5d7a2e5f-4590-4efa-810c-39b2f5b44055

All that enthusiasm in one room.

Plus you get flat footed Ken rallying the crowd.

Priceless, but not free.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 09:37 AM
Amos Moses

As for our buddy...

"Well I have acheived what I wanted. No one on this forum knows anything about the patches. I was hoping that at least one person could tell us how the patches work, but no joy here."

Funny, I thought LifeWave has just spent the past 5 years explaining how they worked and "proving" it in double blind studies.

Admittedly the explanation has changed a number of times...I think we're using the patch with a bead in it that directly presses on an acupuncture point right now, or is that just the Australian market?

Perhaps our buddy didn't bother to read the LifeWave info!

Amateur!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 11:14 AM
Cleon <i>Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 02:53 AM
Scientist now have discovered the means by which they can communicate with the body's billions of cells. We can now better manage the human body through using Nano technology non transdermal patches on the meridians of our bodies.
</i>

/*cold mechanized breathing voice*/ The force is strong with this one.
jayessell
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 | 07:41 AM
I'm not a smart man, but if the LifeWave patches actually worked, there would be no doubt that they worked, wouldn't there?

They would change the world.
It would be on the news.
Factories around the world would make them.
Everyone would have them.

I'm sure there's some logical fallacy in latin for what I'm saying.

But...

Between a world where they work, and a world where they don't work, our world looks like the latter.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 | 10:09 AM
Jayessell said, "I'm not a smart man, but if the LifeWave patches actually worked, there would be no doubt that they worked, wouldn't there?"

More to the point, there would have been scientific studies done correctly by now, to show HOW they worked...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 | 04:17 PM
Cleon.

Dear boy/girl or whatever.

We just don't know what it is you want.

We believe the patches are a SCAM.

To ask us to explain to you is not logical.

If you mean you would like us to regurgitate the explanations from LifeWave, then just read this entire thread.

The explanations, and let's not forget they have changed numerous times, are here for anyone to read.

I agree with you on one point.

"It's boring".

Quite right.

It's mind numbingly boring reading the same old same old from posters like you, but you are precisely why we post.

The latest version of the patch, in the Australian market, has a little bead inside the patch to physically press on acupuncture points on the body.

We've moved on from the original nano-antennas that "talk" to your cells...

http://www.energypowerpatch.com/lifewave.htm

"It is believed that the patches communicate the information needed to initiate the transport of fats to the cells for ATP production (the basic unit of energy in every cell). Clinical studies have shown an increase in energy and strength endurance within minutes of use."

...via heating and cooling effects...

http://www.lifewavenc.com/nanotechnology.html

"When placed above the body the LifeWave NC
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 | 06:06 PM
kriscleon keeps asking how the patches work, after we've regurgicated for him using any of Schmidt's numerous unrelated fair tales, and after we've explained that they don't work and to the extent tha they do, it's merely the placebo effect in action and not anything in the patches.

Nevertheless, I'll take a stab at one more explanation from a different perspective:

kriscleon, the patches "work" by David Schmidt finding gullible, uneducated, and uneducatable people such as yourself.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 02:15 AM
cleon said:

"Ive just proved over and over that not one of you knows how they work, so why call it a hoax?"

I'm going to type this slowly in the hope that you will be able to follow it, cleon.

THE...PATCHES...DON'T...WORK. THERE..IS...NOTHING...TO...EXPLAIN. THEY...DON'T...WORK. SINCE...THEY...DO...NOT...WORK,...THERE...IS...NOTHING...TO...EXPLAIN.

Got it yet?
Smerk
in to mischief
 Member
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 06:18 AM
Sorry to disappoint, Cranky, but Cleon will no longer be gracing us with his presence.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 12:21 PM
Smerk

"Sorry to disappoint, Cranky, but Cleon will no longer be gracing us with his presence."

I'm sure Cleon will register under another name soon. He loves to read his own banal comments!
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 12:40 PM
That's too bad. I found his posts hilarious.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 01:41 PM
Did we frighten him with those scary FACTS? I hope there's a version of the patches that "cure" panic.
AmosMoses
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 01:42 PM
EDHUK,

Just when you think you can't be more surprised and/or disgusted....

I followed your link, the one that pointed to where kris/cleon/Schmidt Jr. posted last year, and I must admit, upon doing so I was both of the above. Maybe it's some inherent optimism that leads me to think that no one can be a 100% totally dirty, rotten, no-good, worthless, useless, evil and depraved son-of-a-bitch; maybe it's my own naivete, a teeny tiny little micro-dose of what afflicts and so severely debilitates kriscleon and his ilk; maybe it's just that I am not geared to consider the worst of the terrible things that people do to one another in the name of greed until it's thrown in my face; maybe it's something else, I don't know - but, this much I do know - Schmidt sunk to a new low for me upon reading that section of the thread, which is something that I will admit that I thought was essentially impossible, considering the heretofore unprecedented depth that he enjoyed at that point. When I saw the commentary concerning Schmidt's hawking of his snake oil to parents of autistic children, I was truly stunned.

I mean, I knew of his unmitigated dishonesty, I had a pretty good take on his absolute greed, and I could readily understand (if not absolutely disagree with his total lack of any sort of conscience, but I never thought that even he would stoop to the things he did. Although Schmidt is an obvious textbook representation of a dangerous sociopath, he can quickly recognize in others that which does not exist in him, namely compassion, care, empathy, and concern for others, especially for children. And, upon such recognition, he will not hesitate to exploit it.

There is undoubtedly a special place in the hottest corner of Hell for Scmidt, and I hope there's a HUGE, sexually frustrated and tireless demon who will be over Schmidt...LITERALLY!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 | 09:12 PM
I see Cleon was posting on the Glutathione thread and got booted off there for the same juvenile behavior:

"cleon
Posted: 15 March 2010 07:48 PM [ Report ] [ Ignore ] [ # 61 ]
Jr. Member


Total Posts: 28
Joined 2009-03-06
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 | 03:58 PM
I wonder how SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist)Schmidt feels about his ex-employees Warren Hanchey and Ken Rasner?

Both Warren and Ken have started their own SCAMS selling holographic stickers through MLM.

Ken Rasner is officially launching his CieAura product as I post.

Perhaps some of the LifeWave crowd have moved over to the updated SCAM.

The holographic sticker SCAM has become so mainstream now you can buy products on Amazon.

Imagine that!

Amazon giving an air of legitimacy to SCAMS!

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Balance-Wristband/dp/B002X4WQZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1268949439&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Force-Power-Balance-Wristband/dp/B002NKV3UG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1268949439&sr=8-3

Whatever next?
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