MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

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EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 \| 05:23 PM Enjoy! http://www.lifewave-australia.com/ "This Site is Currently Offline!" !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 \| 05:33 PM Check out the videos: http://lifewavehome.com/Lifewave-Special-TV-Report.html Mmmmm !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 \| 05:35 PM http://www.lifewave-alternethealth.com/ Gone!
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 \| 05:41 PM http://www.gojijuiced.com.au/lifewave-patches.html Clicking on LifeWave logo resolves to Ian's website in Australia. http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp Nice try Ian, but you are still breaking the law as per the Australian ruling. Email is on its way! *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 \| 05:49 PM What a clever boy that Schmidt is! http://lifewavetraining.com/news/?p=136 *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 \| 05:53 PM Does this company have to stop using the name LifeWave or does David Schmidt? http://inventorspot.com/articles/lifewave_bed_sore_treatment_shows_promise_21437 ?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 \| 10:09 PM Oooh! http://quikonnex.com/channel/item/34421 Nice one Ken. "LifeWave Patch Scam Idea Should Not Be Hard to Counter Friday, August 21, 2009 Essentially since the beginning of the LifeWave LLC company in 2004 there have been people and websites/forums dedicated to publishing their opinion that LifeWave LLC and the LifeWave Patch technology is nothing but a scam." And your point would be what exactly? "No longer is the LifeWave Patch technology experience limited to a few LifeWave reps telling their stories because now multiplied tens of thousands of testimonials have been given around the world by some users including some world class scientists and physicians who now understand the importance of Energy Medicine." So, essentially, MORE testimonials works better than less, right? !
Joel Member	Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 \| 10:34 PM "Suzanne Somers - Lifewave, on her book, Breakthrough which is her 18th book, in chapter 33 she explains that after using lifewave products for 2 years she is completely convinced . . . " Suzanne Somers may be the only person who has written more books than she has read.
Joel Member	Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 \| 09:34 PM Lissa from Australia, You advised us in May (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P4960/) that you were trying to arrange for real doctors to perform clinical tests to determine whether Lifewave patches are effective treatments for childhood autism, as claimed by Lifewave. You said that David Schmidt had promised to fund such clinical tests. Do you have any progress to report? I'd love to hear how you're coming with that.
StallionMarine	Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 \| 08:44 PM Maybe the schysters that are marketing these wonderful healing holograms can wad them up and shove them where they may heal hemmoroids. IMHO
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 \| 09:36 AM StallionMarine in Utah Your post illustrates how many of these scams are out there. David Schmidt "invented" the non trans dermal sticky patches. That's much too "old school" for his ex-employees Warren Hanchey and Ken Rasner. They are into the bright flashy holographic chip "technology". Meanwhile we can use derogatory terms till the cows come home to describe Schmidt et al. He'll never take anyone to court as he doesn't have a case. He really is a liar, cheat, swindler, scam artist, piece of low life pond scum, and you can't win a case against truthful statements. !
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 \| 08:56 AM Interesting article about the "Nocebo" Effect, closely related to the placebo effect: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1929869,00.html
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 \| 10:16 AM Thanks, hcmomof4. Interesting indeed. Especially: <i> "in extreme cases, ailing patients who are mistakenly informed that they have only a few months to live will die within their given time frame, even though postmortem investigations show that there was no physiological explanation for early death." </i> Wow.
Doc	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 \| 12:36 PM A scam? I don't even use LW and I can see this post is filled with borderline slander and liable. Everything has a disclaimer for a reason, people like to sue. I don't agree that they sell on the ideas of peoples problems. But come on... they have disclaimers for a reason. As for the Placebo effect... How is that even part of the arguement? So many things offer a placebo effect, including the drugs you take, chairs you sit in, tv's you watch.. It's almost impossible to find a product not making a far reaching claim, or twisting to appear that way. If it works for some people and isn't killing people... why would you care? I'm more amazed someone actually put this much energy into, an energy product.. Get a life, seriously. Maybe they have a smoke a joint patch or something?
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 \| 02:12 PM Doc, I don't spend much time at all fretting about the Lifewave patches. It's just that I get frustrated at the thought of a group of people totally ripping other people off.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 \| 03:15 PM Doc in Tucson. Presumably you are not a real doctor, just a fake doctor like "Dr." David Schmidt, the SOCIOPATH (not a doctor or a scientist) you appear to support. Your lack of knowledge on the placebo effect rules you out as a medical doctor. Every few months this thread receives a post just like yours. No logical thought process and poor spelling. Not quite sure how your mind jumps from sitting in a chair to selling useless pieces of plastic containing (according to Schmidt himself) glucose (brown patch) and glycerin (white patch). Your entire argument is... provided the product doesn't kill anybody why shouldn't a SOCIOPATH make a living scamming people? You, sir or madam, are precisely the reason a few posters will persist in making comments about this scam until Schmidt is brought to account.
Joel Member	Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 \| 05:32 PM Doc in Tucson wrote, <i>"I can see this post is filled with borderline slander and liable.</i> As EDHUK pointed out, "Doc" is presumably not a real doctor. Doc is also is not much of a lawyer, although he throws legal terms around. Even though he can see that posts here are "borderline slander," they're not because slander is a spoken statement. The posts aren't "liable" either, because the cause of action is libel (not liable). In any event, slander and libel both require a false statement of objective fact (not merely subjective opinion, for example that David Schmidt is human pond scum), and Doc hasn't provided any indication of what statement he thinks is a false statement of objective fact, and why he believes that. Thanks for playing, Doc. Johnny, do we have some lovely parting gifts for Doc?
Doc	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 06:36 AM Hahahaha..... EDHUK, No... my name is Doc. My actual middle name is, and everyone calls me Doc. But thanks for acting like being a doctor makes a difference, as if you
Doc	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 06:42 AM Joel, It
Doc	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 06:50 AM You know, it seems odd that these guys know when new LifeWave sites get published, even off URL's not listed yet. It's like.... someone is using the authority/value of this 260+ page post, to link out - give authority - and help promote... LifeWave. After all, every link posted here.. gives value to LifeWave in the eyes of the Search Engines. New sites, not in the engines... posted here. You guys actually own LifeWave don't you?
Joel Member	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 05:57 PM Hey Doc, glad to see you'll be sticking around for awhile. I'll issue the same challenge to you that I have issued as a standing open challenge to all Lifewave believers out there. I'll bet you $5,000 cash that you can't consistently tell the difference between placebo patches and real patches, based only on the effect you feel from the patches without being able to see which is which. We'll film you trying to decide which is which, and categorizing them ("this one reduces my pain, so it must be a real Lifewave patch, but my pain is coming back with this one, so this one must be a placebo"), then we'll open up the packages and reveal which is which and film your reaction. We'll put the video on Youtube. This will be fun. If the patches are real, here's your chance to make the easiest $5,000 you ever made. Are you up for it? Nobody has ever taken me up on my offer. That's how I know that, deep down, all of you Wavers know in your hearts that it's a scam product. Otherwise I would have had at least somebody accept my offer, and we would have a resulting video on Youtube that would be fun for the whole family, and somebody would be $5000 richer. Pick any patch you want (pain, sleep, energy, diet, anti-radiation, anti-malaria, breast enlargement, whatever), and any test subject you want (you, your friend, Haltiwanger, a horse, Haltiwanger on a horse, whatever). You can even use a machine such as "Dr." Sherry's EIS 8-organ function detecting whiz bang electro-gizmo with plates on your feet and forehead to make the patch/placebo decisions for you. Whatever. Just consistently differentiate between placebo patch vs. real patch. This will be fun, won't it Doc?
Joel Member	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 06:07 PM BTW, Doc, I'll be in Arizona next weekend with a friend of mine who's a court reporter, so we could do this next weekend.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 08:55 PM Doc "No wonder people don
Doc	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 09:12 PM Joel, I really don't care if a product has a placebo effect or doesn't. Most people buying 'hope' products, hope the placebo effect works, they hope anything works. I like products that give people hope. If a person wants to follow a rock, because that gives them something to believe in..... then it's cool with me, even if the rock cost them money. It's not like Placebo's haven't actually helped people. So are you denying people something that 'might' help them? Kind messed up Joel. Even if one person was saved, who are you to deny them? Placebo effect wise, why not go rant against the church? Come on, faith miracles.. payments, all that.. it's billions in dollars a year for b.s. results that haven't done crap in 2000 years. How much more placebo can you get? So unless you think the majority of the population is stupid sheep.... Placebo's are what the cool kids are doing.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 09:26 PM Doc, "Most people buying 'hope' products, hope the placebo effect works, they hope anything works." Why would purchasers of LifeWave products "hope" that they work? SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) has told us they DO work, so it must be true, right? "...hope the placebo effect works..." The placebo effect occurs when a person believes a product is the real deal. If they think it's a placebo to start with, it won't "work". But, you knew that, right? BTW, I presume you will be meeting with Joel to take that easy $5000. Why wouldn't you? ?
Doc	Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 \| 11:57 PM EDHUK... Well, a hope product is.. "Hope this shit works" People hope all types of stuff works, meds, headache pills, diets, books, coaching, mentoring and so on. When it doesn't, you get a different one. It works for some, it doesn't for others. Online Products for sure, have a money back guarantee for a reason. And that guarantee is why so many people buy products like this and - lots of random trash online. I assume David is the owner or creator of the lifewave products? Personally, I don't feel you need to be a doctor or a scientist to be an inventor. Sure it helps, for sure if your splitting atoms... but in the case of lifewave.. just reading the disclaimer, not approved by anyone, doesn't cure anything, blah blah blah. Yeah they have a few tests done, but nobody thinks this is a cure for cancer. Come on.. is anyone but you guys expecting this stuff to actually be anything, but a hope product? As for Joel's offer, why don't you two get together and actually do a controlled test that can be published? If you really have $5k to toss around. Otherwise, you can paypal me the $5k, save me the time. I will say I did the test and I felt nothing, then I will come here and post and say you were correct....
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 \| 01:59 PM "Your lack of knowledge on the placebo effect rules you out as a medical doctor." "Placebo effect rules, it has rules... hahaha. It does eh?" I presume that's a good example of the accuracy of your due diligence on this product?
Joel Member	Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 \| 03:50 PM Doc, "<i>So are you denying people something that 'might' help them?</i>" I'm not denying anyone anything. I'm <i>giving</i> people information and reasoning, for anyone who's interested in doing a little bit of due diligence and avoiding scam products. "<i>If a person wants to follow a rock, because that gives them something to believe in..... then it's cool with me, even if the rock cost them money.</i>" So you'd have no problem if someone sold thousands of dollars worth of "hope products" to your mother suffering from cancer, or to your sister looking for a treatment for her child's illness, or to your wife? Well, anyway, at least you and I seem to agree on one thing: Lifewave is nothing but a placebo. The only thing we disagree on is whether it's slimy to sell placebos.
Joel Member	Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 \| 10:57 AM Doc, <i>"As for Joel's offer, why don't you two get together and actually do a controlled test that can be published? If you really have $5k to toss around."</i> Because my offer, and the fact that no Lifewave distributor wants to take me up on it, gets to the core of things cleanly, elegantly, and instantly. People who have bought into Lifewave don't know the difference between a formal independent double blind placebo controlled study published in a peer reviewed journal, and a non-blind non-placebo controlled bogus study by a "Lifewave leader" using a hilariously bogus electro-gizmo, anyway. But the fact that no Lifewave distributor actually believes he/she can tell the difference between Lifewave patches and fake patches, can be quickly understood by even the simplest among us. And I get to keep my $5,000.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 \| 11:13 AM So, in a nutshell, the main points of our latest fly by poster, Doc, are: "If it works for some people and isn't killing people... why would you care?" "I
Doc	Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 \| 11:37 PM EDHUK, what due diligence do I need to take? I can find opinions going both directions all over the Internet. Again, Placebo effect wise, we're talking about things that get sold to us like? Religion, god, self help books, tv evangelists? EDHUK, I guess I look at it.. these things provide whatever the people, think, they need.. and it's no different from a stupid sticker to the bible. Joel, I'm not a Lifewave distributor. Ever ate a Carl's Jr Burger? Did you feel that your heart was dieing the next day, that it actually damaged your body? No... odd, guess we don't always feel things that are going on in our bodies. As for my mother, she is a grown women able to make her own choices in life and believe in whatever she feels will make her happy. Much like when she visited Sedona Az. Buying those stupid rocks, feng shui, stupid card things... it was a real Placebo nightmare. She things the rocks and her house in order makes a difference. Some people think a book written by men 2000 years ago makes a difference. Others think a sticker makes a difference. The brain is a powerful thing. You guys are simply pissed at the switch that is turning it on.
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 10:41 AM <i>"Joel, . . . Ever ate a Carl's Jr Burger? Did you feel that your heart was dieing the next day, that it actually damaged your body?</i>" Doc, it is the people peddling Lifewave that claim that a person can feel the difference, or can detect it with one of several electrogizmos any of which I will allow someone to use to tell the difference between Lifewave patches and fake patches. It's Lifewave's distributors who have said here repeatedly in essence, "All I know is that I feel so much better when I wear the patches, so I don't need any stupid science or any stupid studies to tell me anything, it's so far beyond what those stupid scientists can understand anyway, and they're all in conspiracy with big pharmaceutical companies, I'm not listening Na! Na! Na! Na!" So my response is, "Alright, y'all claim that people can feel the difference, let's go with that. Trot out one single person who can actually feel the difference between Lifewave patches and fake patches." And we know that they can't. And they know it too.
Doc	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 11:08 AM Joel, They have a 30 day guarantee. I would assume if you don't like it or you don't think it works, then you can return it. It isn't very logical to think everyone that has something positive to say is a distributor. For sure when we can see people not selling the product, backing it up. I checked out the Lifewave site, based on your statement. I didn't see where they said the patch works, now - instantly, or that you would 'feel' as in a 'touch' of something, when you put it on. Saying a product improves your energy flow in the first day, doesn't mean you will "feel it" in the first day. I also noticed they sell the products under the "Homeopathic" idea. So, more Holistic medicine than Placebo. You may want to change your test idea, probably why nobody responds.
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 11:24 AM Doc, Dont' just read the site, watch the videos. You'll see Lifewave and its people claiming that in in a number of cases the patches take away pain almost completely and almost instantaneously. If you watch carefully, you'll see a number of other false claims. Plus, I personally attended a Lifewave dog-and-pony show in which Schmidt demonstrated the amazing supposed instant pain-relieving ability of the patches, and personally sold patches based on that dog-and-pony show. Besides, Lifewave works by its distibutors making lots of claims that Schmidt and Haltiwanger don't want to be caught saying in print. I sat in on a conference call in which David Schmidt with Haltiwanger present said, "We can't claim that Lifewave patches work for x medical condition because we haven't finished our formal testing yet, but boy we sure are getting all kinds of reports that Lifewave patches work incredibly well for treating x, and the preliminary results from our formal tests underway are saying the same thing." Then its distributors quickly put on their websites that Lifewave patches are a great treatment for x. It's all very deliberate, all based on plausible deniability.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 11:25 AM Doc, "They have a 30 day guarantee. I would assume if you don't like it or you don't think it works, then you can return it." You might assume wrong. If you had read this thread you would have seen a post from someone who tried to get her money back. She had to work with her credit card company in the end to get her money. LifeWave did not honor the guarantee. The homeopathic additions to the "product" range have been fairly recent. David Schmidt didn't want to miss out on the chance of making an extra buck from this area. *
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 12:42 PM To paraphrase Tim Minchin, "You know what a homeopathic remedy that works is called? Medicine."...
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 12:44 PM Actually, let me edit that a tiny bit, I kinda left out a whole lot in the paraphrasing. It should have been... "You know what a homeopathic remedy that has been proven to work in scientific double-blind studies is called?"
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 \| 09:44 PM I should clarify my last post by saying that the words that I attributed to David Schmidt in the conference call, although I placed them in quotations marks, were not a direct quote. Rather, that was what I believe to be a fair summary of what Schmidt said.
MaLuisa	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 \| 03:47 PM Lifewave patches have been FDA approved in Australia as personal use Acupuncture units, medical device 1. It seems that this is contrary to anything 'nanotechnology' and a patch is not an acupuncture unit. I did not know that acupuncture was a unit. The claim is that since you attach a small ball to the inside of the patch and then apply it to an acupressure point and leave it on it;s an accupuncture medical device which is non invasive. People swear it works. My theory is that by appling pressure to an acupressure point as they do in old school it gives a person relief from what ever is wrong with them. You would have to be a trained acupuncture specialist to know all the correct point. Anyhow if you try some of the point that are given to you by Lifewave for pain say and apply a small ball with any bandaide to hold it on the acupuncture point you get the same result??? Has anyone tried this? So why do you need to spend big bucks on these patches?
AmosMoses	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 \| 04:50 PM MaLuisa Down Under- You are correct. These "patches" are nothing more than duct tape. Well, they are significantly LESS than duct tape, and most assuredly nothing more. Ever try to fix a busted radiator hose with "Lifewave Patches"?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 \| 07:09 PM MaLuisa, "Lifewave patches have been FDA approved in Australia as personal use Acupuncture units..." I'd be interested to see that link as I thought the FDA was an American agency. LifeWave has had FDA Class 1 approval for some years. ANYONE can get Class 1 approval for their "device". Band aids etc. = Class 1 device. Hardly earth shattering inventions. In Australia, LifeWave has been BUSTED by a regulatory body for "false and misleading advertising". As we know all too well on this forum, LifeWave has been unable to produce one single study that proves efficacy of their patches...not one. Australia came to the same conclusion. Maybe the USA will finally wake up and acknowledge what a SCAM LifeWave really is. !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 \| 07:14 PM This website appears to clarify the Australian position: http://www.energydrugfree.com/ "All 6 LifeWave Patches available in Australia have been registered with the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration as a Class 1 Medical Device. They may be found by searching for Acupuncture and were registered by the name Cosmetic Concepts, not LifeWave. The link below will take you directly to the TGA to view the registrations:" https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/ebs/ANZTPAR/PublicWeb.nsf/publicSearch?openAgent&id=S~cosmetic concepts~0
Joel Member	Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 \| 11:18 AM EDHUK, Thanks for that very interesting information. Yes, here is Lifewave's newest explanation: "<i>The LifeWave Energy Enhancer is intended to provide mild and temporary stimulation of accupressure points resulting in improved energy flow. The device is an adhesive patch that is non transdermal and contains <b>an inbuilt bead</b>. When the patch is applied to a pressure point it temporarily <b>provides a mild and temporary stimulation</b> resulting in improved energy flow.</i>" (emphases added) https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/servlet/xmlmillr6?dbid=ebs/PublicHTML/pdfStore.nsf&docid=156515&agid;=(PrintDetailsPublic)&actionid=1 , or if that doesn't work, then follow the links from http://www.energydrugfree.com/ That's it, folks. Lifewave has told the Australian government in an official filing that ALL of their stupid patches are nothing more than band-aids with little beads built in them. Lifewave provides the exact same explanation to the Australian government for how all of their anti-aging, pain relieving, anti-snoring, better sleeping, weight loss appetite suppressing, autism treating, energy giving, strength increasing, and fat burning patches work. And of course, "improved energy flow" is transparently new age woo-woo B.S. There's obviously no need for anyone to buy their stupid expensive patches. Just get beads and Band Aids or adhesive tape and make your own. I guess that Lifewave thinks that adding little beads to their stupid patches will help them overcome this major problem that they had from the Australian government, which concluded that in response to inquiries from the government, Lifewave had failed to produce one shred of evidence that their stupid patches actually do anything. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/08/01/lifewave-website-gets-a-smackdown-from-the-tga-for-misleading-advertising/ http://www.tgacrp.com.au/index.cfm?pageID=13&special=complaint_single&complaintID=1349
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 \| 02:39 PM Joel, And yet.... In spite of this latest information showing clearly that LifeWave is a SCAM, there will still be people who will buy into this woo woo. I would welcome comments from any of our LifeWave posters on the latest CHANGE in how the patches are supposed to work. I cannot remember how many versions of the story there are, but this must make at least the 5th or 6th version from Schmidt. Yet, the company keeps rolling on. As Doc says, who cares, right? !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 \| 02:44 AM Dr. Lauren DeRock It's been a while, so I thought I would check in on Dr. DeRock. Yes, it appears she's still hard at it, trying to convince the world that LifeWave patches bring about miraculous results in horses! http://www.drderock.com/ "YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THESE VIDEOS" Well, there's a point I can agree on! "This is nanotechnology, working with atoms. Through resonance, or frequency modulation, there is a way of affecting the body's energy field to give signals to perform certain healthful functions. The patch, which is placed on certain acupuncture points on the surface of the body, will actually act like needle-less acupuncture with some incredible added benefits." It appears that Dr. DeRock hasn't caught up with Schmidt's latest Australian version of the patch using a tiny bead under the patch. "The LifeWave Energy Enhancer is intended to provide mild and temporary stimulation of accupressure points resulting in improved energy flow. The device is an adhesive patch that is non transdermal and contains an inbuilt bead. When the patch is applied to a pressure point it temporarily provides a mild and temporary stimulation resulting in improved energy flow." Mmmmm "temporarily provides...temporary..." http://www.energydrugfree.com/ I wonder how long that is? "This company had some growing pains and some glitches at first, but now we are going strong, have much better management and the website is excellent and works. So if you are new to the concept, or just got discouraged with all the growing pains, get in touch with me, come on in and lets see if we can work together to provide a sustainable income for you." Whoa Dr. DeRock, that's all sounding a little REAL! Careful, don't want to break the illusion upon which the SCAM is based. Poor Dr. DeRock. She's as delusional now as she was when she wrote her infamous horse study. All very sad. !
PainReliefBetterSleepandMoreEnergy	Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 \| 07:11 PM Amen Veronica. Hey Freaky-Deaks, why don't you bunch of complete idiots get lives and knock off the profuse crap that's spewing from your tiny little brains. Heaven forbid someone should actually try to achieve something in their lives, which has obviously caused malicious jealousy in each of you. The reality is, the stuff works. So who cares how it makes it into the public realm as a product? If it works, it works. That's all. So don't go away mad, just go away.
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 \| 10:08 AM Hey PainReliefBetterSleepandMoreEnergy: "The reality is, the stuff works." Are you saying that these patches do everything that David Schmidt says they do by any effect other than the placebo effect? If so, on what are you basing your conclusions? Qualified knowledge of the supposed "technology"? If so, what are your qualifications to judge the "technology," and which of the 5 or 6 different vastly different technological explanations that David Schmidt has asserted over the years are you saying you agree with? Are you basing it on any of the 30 or so double blind placebo controlled studies that Lifewave told people years ago had been conducted and would soon be published in peer-reviewed journals, but not one of which has ever actually been published in such a journal? Are you basing it on watching David Schmidt perform his "muscle testing" parlor trick? Are you basing it on your agreement with a previous poster here on this forum who said in effect, "People who use the patches get headaches and nausea using the patches, so the patches MUST be detoxifying their bodies exactly as advertised because there is no other possible explanation?" Do tell, oh wise one.
sarum	Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 \| 09:52 PM Wow. Are you all a bunch of healthy people with lots of time to spare? My husband who has diabetic neuropathy which is not neuropathy and therefore cannot fit a code to be treated by the doctors has been walking around on wooden stumps for feet and legs - at least that is what it looks like. We have been seeking an answer for years and have done all the things we can figure out to ease his pain like make sure he has no aspartame in anything he ingests, cooking from scratch to eliminate chemicals, MSG or anything in the food that could be causing his symptoms Whatever . . . . he got introduced to the patches this weekend. As a former Navy Seal and POW I would not consider him highly suggestible. They put the patches on his pants and in a few short minutes he could actually wiggle his toes. It no longer hurts to watch him walk. It no longer hurts him to walk. It has been 3 days and the effects are wearing off. We have absolutely no understanding of how they work but he wants those patches and I have seen the results so although bucks are really really tight I think the expense is justified. I don't have to understand how everything works. But they DO work. Don't you have someone in your life who is suffering? Buy them a box of the patches and find out what they think of them. Then come post.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 09:31 AM "But they DO work." Proof enough. Rush out and buy them folks.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 12:21 PM sarum said: <i>As a former Navy Seal and POW I would not consider him highly suggestible.</i> Please explain how being a Navy Seal or a POW makes one immune from the placebo effect. Do Navy Seals get baloney detection training? Try a simple experiment on your own. After the patches "wear out", secretly switch new ones with old ones and see if your husband still gets any benefit.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 01:54 PM Captain Al, Sarum in Az gave us their word that "they DO work". That should be good enough for us and anyone, right?
Sarum	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 04:45 PM Nope. Generally they are not highly suggestible and you can't hypnotize most of them either. You have to demonstrate a certain aptitude to be chosen and then you must have a strong sound mind to succeed and remember they are highly trained for the event they are captured and tortured. This is OT and this is not the place to teach you respect for that which you are ignorant of. I doubt anybody's word would be considered worth anything to anyone here. Your have demonstrated your purpose and your caliber. Goodbye.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 06:22 PM "Your have demonstrated your purpose..." Aah, the good old conspiracy rears its ugly head yet again. "Generally they are not highly suggestible..." Therefore, generally, they are somewhat suggestible, right? "...you can't hypnotize most of them..." Logically meaning you CAN hypnotize some of them, however, what has that to do with the placebo effect? "...they are highly trained for the event they are captured and tortured." Well, we've seen the patches compared to many things, but, torture is a first! "I doubt anybody's word would be considered worth anything to anyone here." Funny, I thought I had just posted that your word was good, just as you stated. So, in summation, what exactly have you brought to the discussion on LifeWave patches?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 08:54 PM Sarum said: <i>you can't hypnotize most of them</i> I would think you can't hypnotize anyone who doesn't want to be hypnotized and as EDHUK pointed out, this is unrelated to the placebo effect anyway so that that particular claim is irrelevant. <i>this is not the place to teach you respect for that which you are ignorant of </i> This is the perfect place to teach you that which you are ignorant of. Plastic pouches filled with glucose and molasses can not form a radio transmitter that sends signals to the body, even if they are worn by a Navy Seal or a POW. That's a fact. So all you are left with is the power of suggestion working on someone who admittedly does not understand how they are supposed to work and doesn't seem to care. Lifewave has built their entire business on people like you. Before you respond, think about it. If the patches really did work, proper scientific studies would easily prove it. But Lifewave refuses to submit to this. <i> I doubt anybody's word would be considered worth anything to anyone here.</i> It's not that we think you are dishonest. The problem is you make certain assumptions, based on personal biases, that are not true. This shows you haven't done your homework on basic scientific principles. If you don't care about scientific truth, fine, but don't criticize us for pointing it out.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 \| 09:00 PM Dave @ EDHUK said: <i>Captain Al, Sarum in Az gave us their word that "they DO work". That should be good enough for us and anyone, right? </i> Dave, how many times have we been told "they DO work" despite the physical impossibility of it? It's like these people think the laws of the universe have changed just because they have a problem that needs to be solved.
Accipiter Member	Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 \| 03:07 PM Having worked closely with a number of Navy SEALs, I can assure you that their officers are highly suggestible, when they think that whomever is giving the suggestions have the authority to do so. Their enlisted men are a lot more free-thinking. I'm not sure what they do in their officer training, but in a way they sort of. . .well, almost brainwash them. Which made working with their enlisted men a real pleasure, but working with their officers a real chore.
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 \| 03:28 PM Good point, Accipiter. Military men are taught to accept, incorporate, and follow orders from authority figures. You can't really have an effective military if its members second guess their orders. Perhaps the image of David Schmidt wearing a white lab coat and goggles to prevent sugar from the brown patches from splashing into his eyes, and peering through a light microscope to watch atomic scale nanotechnology FM antennas furiously balancing the body's own energy field (or was it, pressing down on an accupressure point by a bead?), was, for Sarum's husband, quite authoritative and convincing. I know it made a believer out of me.
picklebutt	Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 \| 02:48 AM Don't know what's in 'em but do know they work. Apparently there is much healing to be had from common household items. Here is a doctor in Italy curing cancer with baking soda. http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 \| 06:12 AM picklebutt Nice name. Meanwhile, back on planet earth... http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/altseek.html !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 \| 07:01 AM picklebutt Since you didn't bother to carry out even the simplest due diligence on your Italian Doctor, read this: "Cancer Quack "Dr."Tullio Simoncini claims that all cancers are fungal colonies. It might be worth mentioning upfront that his license to practice medicine has been withdrawn, and in 2006 he was convicted by an Italian judge for wrongful death and swindling." http://www.mymalignantmelanoma.com/2009/01/tullio-simoncini.html "Don't know what's in 'em but do know they work." Right! !
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