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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 08:43 AM
Except... nicotine patches ARE transdermal. That's how they work...
Amos Moses
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 09:35 AM
You know, after you get past laughing at it, it tends to piss you off. I don't know what aggravates me more...that these scammers can make these bizarre, outrageous claims or that a significant %age of the populace evidently falls for it...enough to make it highly profitable for them.

Hmmmmmmm....How about Uncle Amos' Miracle Patches and Tires Mounted and Balanced While U Wait - Take a sticky little piece of plastic and stick it to your knee and win the lottery, the girl of your dreams, and the admiration of millions.

Poor deluded fools.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 03:39 PM
Energy Enhancer.

Step right up folks and try the product that's been around for ages. Much better than LifeWave's paltry patches.

http://www.elsbethshields.com/Energyenhancer.html

"After extensive testing and double blind studies, the little units Dr. Gersch calls the "ENERGY ENHANCER" is made up of "Nature's Medicine Chest" (organic and inorganic materials.) Dramatic improvements in energy and mental levels can occur when using these units to balance reversed polarities in the human body.

Although we are not making any health claims, the effect of the ENERGY ENHANCER strengthens a person's muscles and enhances his/her own energy field to protect against Electro-Magnetic radiation.

The ENERGY ENHANCER can help to recover one's strength which improves his/her energy field.

When this happens, the body's immune system can work at its best and has been enhanced.

That's why it is called an ENERGY ENHANCER!"

WOW It's pre-LifeWave so it MUST be better, right.

All the right buzzwords.

Hey, you'd think Schmidt used this to model LifeWave.

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Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 03:40 PM
WIN THE GIRL (OR GUY) OF YOUR DREAMS - MAGNETICALLY

Amos Moses, you don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 04:43 PM
Told you it can get wackier!

This guy (Madison Cavanaugh) can cure everything:

http://www.oneminutecureforalldiseases.com/clickbankpitchpage.htm?hop=milehimike

Use this approach with the LifeWave products and you will be totally invincible!

Read all about Otto Warburg:

"Two-time Nobel Prize-winning doctor, Otto Warburg..." (who died in 1970).

Oh dear, not a good start as he only won one Nobel Prize, but heck, that's pretty amazing anyway.

Still, some interesting reading as insight to the mind of this particular gem of a distributor.

Stop Swine Flu Pandemic . com

Perhaps the owner of the website can discuss their ability to stop the flu pandemic when the CDC calls.

Cheaper than vaccinations eh?

Or would it?

Elegant in the field research though.

LifeWave patches nil

Dead from the flu .......?

"Field research stopped due to zero efficacy of patch".

Duh!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 04:52 PM
Ooops.

Sorry Madison, my bad.

Assuming you were a man is pretty bad.

"The product she has developed has potential to cure practically every single known disease out there, from cancer to AIDS."

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jayessell
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 05:33 PM
Ed... At the end of the page...

<small>
Amos Moses
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 05:41 PM
I'll believe it when Schmidt straps on however many of his Lifewave patches he wants....I don't care if he COVERS himself with them!...and french kisses someone with Ebola, or volunteers to do some invasive, messy, bloody work on AIDS patients with zero protection other than his little "magic patches", or sleeps with flu victims for about two weeks.

Hey, I'll gladly admit when I am wrong, and with all that bullshit they sling, they oughtta HAPPILY do any or all of the above to prove my cynical, skeptical, uneducated, backwoods, redneck Louisiana ass wrong, wouldn't you say???

How's about it, "Doctor" Schmidt?! (Doctor my ass!)
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 | 11:20 PM
"You simply apply a quarter sized non-transdermal patch
NBBSS
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 | 05:43 AM
*sigh* I wondered how long it would be before these vultures would claim Swine Flu (H1N1) virus as something they can defeat.
I hope some of those distributers trying to help the world one person at a time have been civic-minded enough to donate a truckload of the patches to thw WHO to stop the epidemic dead in its tracks.
Haven't heard it on the news yet, though.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 | 07:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU&eurl=http://www.skeptic.com/&feature=player_embedded
Veronica
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 11:31 AM
Hello to all ...

I have worn LifeWave patches since early 2005. They are absolutely fabulous. The longer you wear them the more your body begins to heal. It assist your body to naturally restructure the DNA to a healed state instead of a dis-eased state.

Not everyone has the same results. Normally a person who sees no results that they can attribute to LifeWave it is because they do not hydrate or nurish their bodies properly. You don't put vinegar in your gas tank to run your automobile properly and you can't put toxic food and drink in your body for it to perform correctly.

Your body if in a state of distress did not get that way in 3 months and it may take 3 months to start a defined healing process.

There are remarkedly easy and inexpensive techniques to jump start the patch into performance.

Contact me for any information you need.

http://www.lifewave.com/veronica
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 12:14 PM
Veronica:

Congratulations on being able to spell DNA. Now, do you know what it is?
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 01:36 PM
At first "Dr." David Schmidt's explanation of the patches was that the patches are tiny cell phones that send FM signals to the mitochondria in the body, then it was "unique heating and cooling effect," then it was IR light (that magically penetrates through clothing and casts) to stimulate accupressure points along energy meridians in the body, and now the patches restructure the wearer's DNA. Will this circus never end?

We return to the brilliant words of Judge Frank Easterbrook when commenting on the pseudo-science drivel used by Que Te Park to make tens of millions of dollars selling his supposedly pain relieving scam Q-Ray bracelets to gullible people all across this country:

<i>Defendants might as well have said: Beneficent creatures from the 17th dimension use this bracelet as a beacon to locate people who need pain relief and whisk them off to their home world every night to provide help in ways unknown to our science.</i> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/01/qray.html

Perhaps that will be Lifewave's next explanation.

Lifewave's "science" is complete and total drivel. It's pseudo-science gobbledygook. It's total garbage. Lifewave is a SCAM, a hoax, a joke. And David Schmidt, not content to be an ordinary con man, is human pond scum for targeting the parents of autistic children with his scam.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 02:42 PM
Joel,

We are often left wondering how on earth people can fall for the drivel spouted by SOCIOPATH David (not a scientist or a doctor) Schmidt.

Veronica is a perfect example of how he does it.

Presumably English is Veronica's second language so I can't be too hard on the spelling. I only speak English and I admire anyone with multilingual skills.

This new twist; no doubt Veronica has managed to misunderstand the many explanations from LifeWave about mode of action, is really getting down to the nitty gritty.

Causing cells to "make more energy" is one thing but to "restructure DNA" is pretty remarkable.

Veronica's understanding of disease is in itself pretty remarkable even if misguided.

Well, Veronica, David Schmidt certainly owes you a great deal of thanks for the money you have spent in the past 4 years. Money he has been squirreling away in his offshore account against the day when he will be brought to account for this SCAM.

Good luck in trying to get your money back.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 03:04 PM
Veronica,

One more thing.

"I have worn LifeWave patches since early 2005. They are absolutely fabulous. The longer you wear them the more your body begins to heal. It assist(s) your body to naturally restructure the DNA to a healed state instead of a dis-eased state."

So, presumable you never bothered to read the LifeWave disclaimer?

"DISCLAIMER: These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.

The LifeWave patches are not intended to treat, prevent or cure any disease.

The LifeWave patches are intended for healthy adults, age eighteen and over.

The guidelines on this website are solely for educational and informational purposes.

This information is in no way intended to be medical advice.

Please consult a medical or health professional before you begin any new diet, exercise or nutrition program, or if you have any questions or concerns about your health.

Individuals that are quoted on this website have experienced results that may not be typical results and as such their results will not be the same as your individual results.

LifeWave does not assume any responsibility for your use of information on this website.

LifeWave patches are not intended to be used in the cure, treatment or prevention of disease in man or animals."

O.K., now that you have read the disclaimer you must realize that you claim to have done something with the patches for the past 4 years that LifeWave states it does NOT do.

So, what exactly HAVE you done/experienced?

Like ALL people who have any kind of effect from wearing the patches, and not everyone does, you have experienced the placebo effect.

Now, don't for one minute think I'm implying it's all in your mind.

I have posted, numerous times, research that demonstrated research subjects experienced REAL pain control from a placebo IV drip (saline).

PET scan imaging in real time displayed REAL activity in the human brain giving rise to pain control.

In Schmidt's LifeWave SCAM the patches do not directly DO anything. They never have. That's why Schmidt KNOWS for CERTAIN he will never be prosecuted for a harmful side effect from his patches.

You have been giving Schmidt the SOCIOPATH you hard earned money to bring about a self induced effect.

Yep, YOU did it all for free after giving your cash to this low-life pond scum and outright LIER.

How well do you feel now?

?

p.s. Studies, just a few:

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/04/03/placebo_effect.html

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20040219/revealed-how-placebo-effect-works
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 03:55 PM
EDHUK, Thanks as always for the research.

Veronica, EDHUK's second link shows that even a Columbia university professor was surprised at how strong the placebo effect is.

So if even a Columbia university professor was surprised at how strong and how real the placebo effect is, how hard do yo think it has been these past years for Schmidt to harness that surprisingly strong and real effect to make people think that the patches are actually doing something?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 04:17 PM
Veronica,

The major difference between skeptics who post here and Schmidt the SOCIOPATH is that we give links to REAL scientific research.

http://www.placebo.ucla.edu/

http://www.wrf.org/alternative-therapies/power-of-mind-placebo.php

Of particular interest to those LifeWavers who quote the amazing "man in the wheelchair who walked" incident.
jayessell
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 | 07:49 PM
David....

I hadn't heard that story about the gullible cancer patient before.

It sounds like the Poe story about the man hypnotized into not dying... until he wakes up.

The Dr. should have made up a drug name so Mr. Wright couldn't hear that it had been discredited.

If only there were a drug to amplify the Placebo Effect.
(But how would you double blind test it???)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 07:41 AM
jayessell
in Chester NY USA

"I hadn't heard that story about the gullible cancer patient before."

Gullibility is not the issue here. The story illustrates how people can bring about REAL changes in the body when they believe the treatment is REAL.

I have posted many times about the apparent dichotomy of intelligent people falling for scams.

Intelligent people fall for scams every day.

Were the people who lost their money with Bernard Madoff all stupid and gullible?

There were some pretty impressive names on the list. Steven Spielberg isn't too shabby a thinker.

This is a link to a summary of a recently published report from the UK government's Office of Fair Trading and created by Exeter University's psychology department on why people fall for scams:

http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2009/05/the_psychology_of_be.html

For the full report use this link:

http://www.oft.gov.uk/news/press/today?prid=633536

I have always believed, and stated here many times, that there are LifeWavers who know it's all a scam and are in it to make money, and there are those who believe the patches do something ( because of the placebo effect) and want others to know about it.

Enjoy

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 07:48 AM
jayessell
in Chester NY USA

By the way, the info about the cancer patient implies that Klopfer was "treating" the cancer patient. This info from Wikipedia mentions a colleague was treating the cancer patient. Klopfer was a psychologist carrying out a study on the patient.

Klopfer, B., "Psychological Variables in Human Cancer", Journal of Projective Techniques, Vol.21, No.4, (December 1957), pp.331-340. (This paper is also significant because it contains an account of the impact of the treatment of a lymphosarcoma upon Mr. Wright, a patient of one of Klopfer's colleagues (Dr. Philip West) with a bogus medicine, "Krebiozen'". Klopfer's account of Wright's progress is often referred to in the cancer literature, but the actual reference is seldom cited.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Klopfer

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Veronica
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 08:50 AM
WOW ... with all the hate pouring from these pages I can see why no miracle would work on any of you. Maybe you should first work on yoursevles before trying to help anyone else. All that negative acidic hate is leaching into our spaces all the way through these magical Internet waves that you can not see ... but evidently work just as good as my LIFEWAVE PATCHES DO ... TEE HEE HEE
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 10:14 AM
Veronica,

I was hoping your next post would be something substantive. Not the tired old argument, posted here many, many times, about how we don't know how a TV or a computer works etc. so why should we question the LifeWave patches.

The flaw with your argument is that we DO know how a TV, a computer, the internet, WI-FI etc. etc. work.

It's all solid science. Verifiable, repeatable science.

LifeWave patches are a SCAM. They DO nothing except elicit the PLACEBO effect in SOME people.

The mode of action has NEVER been demonstrated in a verifiable, repeatable, scientific study.

NEVER, not one single time.

PLEASE save us the gut wrenchingly, yawn inspiring complete waste of time by NOT attempting to give us the links to "The Studies" which are ALL "in house" or is some way connected to LifeWave.

As for the "hate".

Yes. I "hate" that SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) Schmidt is still in "business" after all these years peddling his SCAM to the next willing audience.

As for the "magical Internet waves".

The fact that you appear to think of it as magic gives us an insight as to why you believe LifeWave patches do anything at all.

Thank you for stopping by.

David

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Veronica
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 12:40 PM
To edhuk ... the member who doesn't share his real identity and is so busy slamming everyone else that he forgot to take a good look at himself.

Any normal person can see that you are a sad, sorry person with nothing better to do than to try to disfame, degrade and discourage others in their life.

Please act like an Ostrich and go put your head in the sand. If those of us who wish you away are lucky maybe you will fall asleep from the boredom you create in your life, by running good people off ... and the ants will turn you into something useful.

Life wave is only one great product to look to for relief. There is also http://www.veronica.cieaura.com ... there is a lot to increasing your glutathione ... that is why I like MaxGXL as well ...
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 02:33 PM
Veronica, you're only responses are ad hominen attacks? That's really not helping your case any. We are willing to debate and generally chat with any other "true believer" as long as it is done in a respectful manner. Just because we disagree doesn't mean that we need to resort to personal attacks. Frankly, your comments just come across as rude and have no place in a debate on lifewave.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 05:23 PM
"To edhuk ... the member who doesn't share his real identity. . ."

His identity is just as revealed by his user name as is that of most other people. Casually giving out your personal information to one and all on the Internet is not a smart move.

". . .and is so busy slamming everyone else that he forgot to take a good look at himself."

And that argues against what he's said how, exactly? How does your concentrating on EDHUK's introspectiveness support LifeWave's claims? It doesn't.

"Any normal person can see that you are a sad, sorry person with nothing better to do than to try to disfame, degrade and discourage others in their life."

"Disfame" means to falsely accuse. Can you show anything specific that he's written that is false?

"Please act like an Ostrich and go put your head in the sand. If those of us who wish you away are lucky maybe you will fall asleep from the boredom you create in your life, by running good people off ... and the ants will turn you into something useful."

You're hardly providing a good example in your own actions here.

"Life wave is only one great product to look to for relief. There is also http://www.veronica.cieaura.com ... there is a lot to increasing your glutathione ... that is why I like MaxGXL as well ...:

So, it looks as though you have a personal vested interest in LifeWave and its kin. This makes you more objective that EDHUK in what way, exactly?

If you want to argue against what EDHUK wrote, then argue against what he wrote. Don't just call him names.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 07:28 PM
It's too bad that we have been visited by yet another Lifewave distributor whose best evidence and logic that Lifewave patches are anything other than expensive placebos is belligerence.
jayessell
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 08:05 PM
edhuk...
Maybe I should have used a different word to mean "to believe what one is told".
Credulous?

The Edgar Allen Poe story I referred to is
"The Case of M. Valdemar"
in which a dying man is kept alive
(after a fashion) via hypnosis.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 08:34 PM
Veronica,

Thank you so much for your kind words of wisdom.

You are certainly living up to our extremely low level of expectations.

On a separate issue.

Thank you for bringing our attention to your new venture.

http://cieaura.com/home/

I imagine you have experienced a little dejavu listening to the sales pitch.

It does sound SO similar to the LifeWave pitch back in 2005 that I'm sure you remember so well.

I presume you've made a bundle riding the "LifeWave Wave" these past 4 years.

As you have been so kind to give the link, I think I should repay your kindness by starting a new thread.

We can all discuss the new business there.

Follow this link folks if anyone has the interest in reading more pearls of wisdom from Veronica and ilk.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/10252/

David

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Veronica
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 09:32 PM
Mr. Cranky Crusty Old Codger:

#)I did not get involved with LifeWave to earn money. I bought into my site to save money on my own purchases. I also had friends and relatives who purchased from me at my discount.

#2) Now that I am well enough to "CATCH THE WAVE" that is my intentions and I love these new CieAura patches ... they are fabulous and my husband is taking advantage of not having to take pain meds that he used when we first met. He is now leaning on the holistic program and off the roller coaster from the medical world.

If you want to be a victim of the medical roller coaster that is your business, but for those of us who have illness that we want to heal without being a slave to the doctors and insurance companies then that is our business.

You actually sound like a mean old alcoholic or drug abuser. 😊I know a bunch of hateful evil people like you. I stay away from them.

Maybe I will find a hungry attorney to sue you for harassing me.

😊
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 10:14 PM
Veronica,

I think thou protesteth too much!

We really have rattled your cage haven't we?

Word to the wise.

YOU chose to post on this forum thread about the LifeWave SCAM patches.

YOU chose to come back again and again.

We deal in FACTS on this forum thread.

Facts make you very uncomfortable.

As for your new venture. You appear to have skipped even the most basic due diligence.

The holographic discs thing is OLD news. One of Schmidt's finest jumped ship a while back to start his own company.

http://www.8ight.com/

Holographic discs, and they have been around longer than your start up company.

Of course, had you read this forum thread you would already know that.

Your use of the tired phrases about the insurance and doctor conspiracy theory is just that and has been posted here many, many times by other LifeWavers.

As for harassment...you are soooo funny. Good one.
Wouldn't the "hungry attorney" be part of the doctors and insurance conspiracy?

Of course there are other MLM companies selling similar products but they haven't caught your eye, yet.

If you still feel harassed, there's a patch for that!

Duh

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Accipiter
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 10:59 PM
Wow, Veronica. You've gone from a self-interested sales pitch full of claims that you don't bother to support, then to purely personal attacks, then to personal threats, all in the space of about one day. And as you act that way, you wonder why the level of respect people here have for you keeps dropping?

Why, exactly, did you choose to post on a discussion about LifeWave if you're not willing to actually discuss LifeWave? You call EDHUK a hater and complain about him giving off some sort of "bad vibes", but at least he's willing to actually discuss LifeWave in an informed manner. He provides information to back up his claims. He addresses the points that people make and answers the questions that they ask, even when they're asked by people with opposing views.

The best you've done is to give us your sales pitch. All the rest of what you've contributed here is hatred and evasion. Why not actually do something wild and radical and, oh, discuss LifeWave instead of EDHUK on the LifeWave discussion thread? Or are you too consumed in hate and bad vibes? Because the latter is certainly the impression that you're going to leave with everybody if you keep on the way you are going. Is that the impression that you want the world to have of you? It probably won't help your marketing.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 | 11:06 PM
Accipiter,

Take a look at the new thread about CieAura.

It's Ken Rasner at the helm of this new scam.

Yep, from LifeWave.

Now there's a surprise.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/10252/

Enjoy.

David

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Veronica
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 | 06:33 AM
That is right, I came on here to protest your total ignorance to the reality that these patches, both of them, are truly helping people to achieve more energy, better sleep and less pain without drugs.

So go back into your dark ages where you prefer to slump and live your life as you desire. The rest of us are happy to experience more energy, better sleep, less pain and a healthier life without drugs any chance that we can. Although niether of these patches is completely new on the scene, they sure beat the Fentynal/Morphine, Opiad patches that make you sick and ruin your health to kill pain. I don't have to say more to the likes of you.

FYI: in my above statements I was 😊ing as I stated the harassing sentence. I guess you guys are so far gone that you don't know when someone is joking.

Have a nice life in your hateful misery, because we know misery loves company ... and as seen above, you already have that on here ... we know although you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink it ... so, as it is to be ... you all can wallow in your own negativity.

BA BYE ...
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 | 08:03 AM
"That is right, I came on here to protest your total ignorance to the reality that these patches. . ."
-- Posted by Veronica

No, you didn't. If that were the case, you would have done things such as provide some relevant information, attempted to answer questions, and so on. You did none of that. What you came here to do, apparently, was to try to distract people by making personal attacks against EDHUK (which are totally irrelevant, because the character of EDHUK has absolutely no bearing at all on whether LifeWave is genuine) and to sell LifeWave. If you were here to do anything about ignorance, you would have done more than just insult people and then run away when asked questions.

". . .you all can wallow in your own negativity."

Let's see, what all did you write? "So go back into your dark ages. . .Have a nice life in your hateful misery. . .You actually sound like a mean old alcoholic or drug abuser. . .hateful evil people like you. . .you are a sad, sorry person. . .Please act like an Ostrich and go put your head in the sand. If those of us who wish you away are lucky maybe you will fall asleep from the boredom you create in your life, by running good people off ... and the ants will turn you into something useful. . .All that negative acidic hate is leaching into our spaces. . ."

And you're trying to portray everybody else here as being negative?

We actively asked and encouraged you to share your information. We asked you to provide us with all the amazing research that shows how LifeWave works. We want you to share your information with us. Yet somehow that is being negative and close-minded and refusing to see?

On the other hand, I notice that you ignored everything that was said to you here, and all that was asked of you. Did you actually have anything to contribute here other than an attempt to get people to go to your webpage and buy your products?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 | 09:08 AM
Accipiter,

Veronica, like many of the other "drive by" LifeWave posters, feels she is functioning on a very high level.

In reality she has managed to shoot herself in the foot and emphasized the single aspect of ALL these SCAMS.

MONEY.

It's ALWAYS been about the money.

David Schmidt

Warren Hanchey

Ken Rasner

Next please!

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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 | 11:34 AM
Wow...Veronica is personally insulting us and then trying to get us to buy her patches. If this is her marketing strategy, so wonder she is only selling to herself and family.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 | 01:04 PM
So we now have 8ight.com scam holographic disks by former Lifewave CFO Warren Hanchey

. . and cieaura.com scam holographic disks by former Lifewave Executive V.P. Ken Rasner.

. . . and let's not overlook Lifewave distributor Rich Lang who for a short while sold 8ight.com scam holographic disks before publicly declaring that 8ight disks don't work, and has now switched to selling scam Advita holographic bracelets that bear an amazing resemblance to off-the-shelf children's novelty bracelets. http://www.energyrich.com

Some people say that our prisons are training grounds for future criminals.

I'd say that Lifewave has become the preeminent training ground for future con men.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 | 05:01 PM
And don't forget the holographic collars for your pets, which rich Lang also peddles. http://www.energyrich.com link to http://www.healthynews.info link to http://www.healthypetholograms.com.

Well, if David Schmidt can peddle his scam patches as horsy patches or iguana patches or whatever, I suppose this new entrant for The World's Most Patently Ridiculous Scam can peddle holograms that give Fido more energy, eliminate "toxins" and parasites from him, speed the healing of his trauma wounds, and improve his hormonal balance.

I'm not making this up.

As my favorite curmudgeon H.L. Mencken said: "No one ever went broke under-estimating the stupidity of the American Public."
Amos Moses
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 12:43 AM
This "Veronica" is precisely what I was talking about earlier.

All kidding aside, and as crazy as it is, she actually BELIEVES this ridiculousness!

I am all for free speech, but there are reasons that one can't legally scream "FIRE!" in a crowded auditorium, nor legally spread pathological, dangerous lies regarding certain "medications" or "treatments". But, as far as the latter goes, there's no way to put any teeth in this law without limiting free speech when dealing with the "new age/alternative/holistic 'medication'" bunko hucksters, because they will always find a way around it.

It's extremely easy to whipsaw around this law, exploiting technicalities because, let's face it, anyone who falls for this kind of thing anyway is so very unsophisticated and simple minded that they will cling to anything that they want to believe...as long as it's "unconventional" ... the crazier the better.

You can't reason with them, and shrill, screeching ad hom will be your reward should you try. Some people are just so simple, so gullible, and so very naive that they actually can't be helped, and believe me, they are NOT going to come to their senses anytime soon - because they don't have any.

From Clark's Snake Oil to Scmhidt's LifeWave patches....there's a new customer born every minute.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 06:59 AM
Amos Moses

"You can't reason with them, and shrill, screeching ad hom will be your reward should you try. Some people are just so simple, so gullible, and so very naive that they actually can't be helped, and believe me, they are NOT going to come to their senses anytime soon - because they don't have any."

This forum thread is full of posts like Veronica's.

Yet, we continue posting facts as they come up because there are those who haven't made up their minds yet. Some of those folks decide to pass on LifeWave after conducting due diligence.

I, for one, continue posting for those folks, some of whom have expressed their thanks on these pages.

Ultimately, Veronica will be faced with the reality of LifeWave and CieAura.

These scams cannot last as none of them do.

*
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 04:04 PM
WOW,

Yet ANOTHER holographic disc company.

Reads just like LifeWave:

"What should I feel when wearing the Holographic Disc?

You probably will feel nothing.

The Holographic Disc is not a stimulant nor a depressant, like caffeine or alcohol.

What you should notice is very constant and stable levels of deep rest, allergy relief and overall enhanced health".

http://restquiet.com/index.htm

For those following the holographic disc debate and, in particular CieAura, the new thread is over at:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/10252/

*
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 06:29 PM
Given that there is NOTHING to wear out/be used up in a holographic disc, why does 8ight.com state"

"It is recommended that you wear the action
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 06:41 PM
Yet ANOTHER holographic disc:

http://www.worldschoiceproducts.com/slim-10-pack-holographic-disc-p-39.html

Notice the typos in the hastily prepared site.

"slim
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 06:55 PM
World Choice Products

Dr. Albert Sanchez:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok0zASKHtTg

"...and that was to change my life 360 degrees".

Doesn't that put you back where you started?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 07:00 PM
BTW

The Poly MVA cancer treatment Dr. Albert Sanchez is promoting in the YouTube video is discussed here:

http://www.ratemds.com/social/?q=node/32285

Once a scammer always a scammer apparently.

!
Amos Moses
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 08:46 PM
I wish the very best for Dr. Albert Sanchez and the other scammers described in this thread -

I wish upon them the fastest growing, extremely metastasizing, pancreatic ductile cancer in existence. Hey...no biggee for them! They can simply wave two chicken bones over their heads, slap a strip of duct tape on their asses, and BAM! CURED! Then, they can sell chicken bones and duct tape!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 | 09:04 PM
Amos Moses,

Tell it like it is!

We need your insight on the new holographic discs forum thread:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/10252/

There's WAY too much of my posts so far.

The holographic believers will start to think I'm employed by a giant company to besmirch these innocent entrepreneurs.

*
Dr David
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 11:19 AM
Steve Haltiwanger, Dean Clark or any of the other "doctors/reseachers" Lifewave refers to in their propaganda have never published any scientific papers in their life. The research they are referring to doesn't exists!!!!
Publishing/posting documents on the internet and claiming its research can anyone do...
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 01:10 PM
<b>NO SCIENTIFIC PAPERS (EVER) BY DR. STEVEN HALTIWANGER?</b>

Dr. David in Israel,

Thanks for joining the forum and adding your perspective.

Are you a real doctor? Please don
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 03:19 PM
If that book shows up in the regional library system, I'll read it and let you know what (if anything) of importance it has to say on the topic.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 07:35 PM
<b>LIFEWAVE GETS SMACKED DOWN IN AUSTRALIA FOR MISLEADING ADVERTISING</b>

A Complaints Resolution Panel in Australia has investigated Lifewave and concluded that Lifewave has no credible evidence to support its claims, and hence that Lifewave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 08:47 PM
Joel,

Don't ya just love it!

http://scepticsbook.com/2009/08/01/lifewave-website-gets-a-smackdown-from-the-tga-for-misleading-advertising/

So, essentially, Australia can do in a few months that which the US has failed to do these past 4 years or so.

Does that mean the guys below are breaking the Australian laws?

http://www.lifewave-australia.com/

http://www.sydneymusicweb.com/lifewave.htm

http://lifewaveaustralia.org/

http://www.gojijuiced.com.au/lifewave-patches.html

http://lifewavehome.com/

http://www.wellnesscentre.net.au/lifewave-patches-order-buy-now-online.cfm

http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp

http://www.lifewave-alternethealth.com/

http://www.paconsulting.net.au/life-wave-products/

Just a few of the many sites out there.

Finally a reminder as to why the die hards here continue to post:

"Greg Simpson
in Lismore, Australia

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 02:24 PM

Although I don't post, I still watch this forum with interest and receive email notifications.

I was sucked in by Lifewave and had to conquer my greed before I would admit it was an obvious scam.

Don't give up guys, you are doing a great job and I love reading your answers to the aggressive imbeciles who refuse to admit it is all just a big con playing on peoples ignorance and greed."

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Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 09:27 PM
EDHUK, let's not overlook Michael Podolsky, who was ORDERED in that decision to cease his advertising through the Lifewave website. His distributor page, http://www.lifewave.com/bodyinharmony, resolves to a distributor page for "Simon Podolsky" with an email address of .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

Hmmm . . . would that be Michael Podolsky?

Why, yes, the TGA panel specifically found that Michael Podolsky was using the name "Simon Podolsky" on that Lifewave page. (Paragraphs 23 and 24 of the panel decision).

It would appear that complying with the law, and even complying with a specific order from a government panel whose mission is to protect the public against misleading advertising, is low on
Mr. Podolsky's list of priorities.

EDHUK, what did you say it was all about for Lifewave? I forget.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 09:34 PM
Joel,

It's ALWAYS been about the MONEY!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 10:55 PM
Go Australia!!
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 11:45 PM
Joel, EDHUK, my australian friend and I have just been talking via skype. He wants to help submit complaints against the websites you listed EDHUK, and any others that we find. We've got a copy of the therapeutic goods act and think that we could easily fit the websites that are still up to sections of the law that got the other one in trouble.

Thing is, do separate complaints really need to be made against each one individually? Is that because they are owned by individual distributors rather than by lifewave?
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 11:48 PM
The second question is, does the US have a law like this that would cover lifewave? And, if so, has anyone ever tried to make a complaint? And if not, where is it so I can do it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 | 06:34 AM
Razela,

Joel was kind enough to include a link for sending complaints in Australia.

This is the online form.

http://www.tgacrp.com.au/index.cfm?pageID=12

The fact that they have already ruled on LifeWave makes it easy for them to follow precedent.

I included the sites I listed to get the ball rolling.

Perhaps an email to the FTC is appropriate with a link to the Australian ruling?

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 | 08:31 PM
The "PBS Special".

We all remember the big hype about the , so called, PBS special which turned out to be a paid for infomercial and NOT a PBS production at all.

This person seemed to take words of criticism very hard.

The three videos of the program have been removed by the user.

!

http://istadia.com/blog/TheEnergyGuy/568

I guess things are finally beginning to come together on this SCAM.

Finally.
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