The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 | 12:22 AM
EDHUK, I've noticed that ALL of the videos of the Lifewave "PBS Special" seem to have been taken down, even the one at http://www.alifewave.com which was a site that was devoted to that clip.

I don't know whether the take-down was because the people at The American Health Journal realized that they had helped promote a scam and decided to correct their error in ethics/judgment/basic competence, or whether they simply issued DMCA notices to protect their financial interests in the clips, or whether Yahoo! (which seemed to be where all the clips were hosted) decided that they didn't want to be hosting clips that promote a scam, or what.

Does any Lifewave distributor out there care to tell us why the clips seem to have all been taken down in a hurry?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 | 07:24 AM
Joel,

Perhaps a certain reporter at Windsor Productions (The American Health Journal) actually has integrity.

Maybe the comments made about various videos on sites other than YouTube have consequences.

It could also be that Schmidt realized that the, so called, "PBS" tapes were hilarious.

Who can forget "fatty" Haltiwanger and Schmidt the SOCIOPATH peering down the eye pieces of a light microscope at a LifeWave patch!

Perhaps by wearing LifeWave patches they were able to see through the blackness down to the nano scale, normally reserved for electron microscopes?

Or, perhaps the news from Australia, that you shared with us, is having more serious consequences than Schmidt imagined?

Schmidt is no doubt firming up arrangements for the transfer of money to "safe" locations, just in case.

Let the truth prevail.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 | 07:33 AM
Joel,

Also interesting to do a Google search using the terms "LifeWave PBS".

First return:

http://www.scribd.com/word/removal/16199315?query=LifeWave+PBS

This site WAS giving out glowing information about the upcoming program. This is the cached info.

Discoveries in Alternative Medicine Western Nanotechnology Meets Eastern Medicine July 2009 An acclaimed television program shown on PBS stations across the U.S. will showcase LifeWave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 | 07:33 AM
Part II "PBS" info

The PBS program also features Dr. Steve Haltiwanger, LifeWave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 | 07:49 AM
You will notice that the link to WesternAcupatch.com is dead as well.

This site is still showing LifeWave info for the Western Accupatch folks.

http://www.merchantcircle.com/blogs/Western.Acupatch.Univera.Holistic.Center.714-586-0554

Also their blog:

http://www.merchantcircle.com/blogs/Western.Acupatch.Univera.Holistic.Center.714-586-0554/2009/5/Lifewave-NanoTechnology-Holistic-Health-Acupatch/241048


Google result:

Dr. James H. Nguyen (nanopatch) on Twitter
Nanotechnology, made of pure organic materials, programmed to communicate with the cells. They are activated ...7:31 PM Jun 23rd ...

However, when clicking on the link, the headline is......

"I just found out that Donald Trump is getting ready to launch his NEXT multi-billion dollar company. Check out http://bit.ly/fq8p1"

If you click on the link...

"http://WesternAcupatch.com- Nanotechnology, made of pure organic materials, programmed to communicate with the cells. They are activated ...
7:31 PM Jun 23rd from WP to Twitter"

"Oops! This link appears to be broken."

Can anyone say rats jumping ship?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 | 08:30 PM
Read it and weep folks.

http://secure.lifewave.com/leadershiparchives/leadership-award-07-09.asp

Lifewave Israel could not have been where it is today without the help of the lifewave phenomenon, the guidance of Peak Performance Ken, and the support from remarkable company leaders such as David Schmidt, Mike Collins and Dr.Steve Haltiwanger.

Lifewave Israel could not have been where it is today without the immense contribution and intense hard work of outstanding Israeli leaders such as Orna Gilad, Jacob Guttmann and many many others.

Thank you for the honor of being a Lifewave award winner!

-Dr. Ilan Gruenwald, MD

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 | 08:50 AM
In addition to the recent ruling in Australia that LifeWave was using false and misleading advertising, this information will be of interest to distributors down under:

Claims that a product is "TGA approved" are not permitted

18 August 2008

In complaint 2008-02-018, the Panel noted as follows:

Section 4(6)(b) of the Code prohibits representations that goods are endorsed by government bodies. While in one sense the words "Listed with the Therapeutic Goods Administration as a herbal medicine" may constitute an attempt to indicate compliance with the Act, they are likely to convey an implication that the goods so listed are approved by an Australian government agency to a degree that is not factually correct, particularly as regards the efficacy of the product. The complaint was therefore justified. However, for the advertiser's benefit, the Panel noted that s.42DL(1)(e)(i) of the Act, whilst prohibiting "a reference to the Act", does permit a statement to the effect that "Product X is listed in the ARTG, AUST L 123". The Panel also noted that such a statement makes no reference to any government agency.

So, I guess our Aussie LifeWave distributors who have already eagerly made the statement "TGA Approved" will have to think again!

Life is so unfair for a LifeWaver.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 | 08:59 AM
http://www.tgacrp.com.au/index.cfm?pageID=21

"The use of the words "clinically proven" should be carefully considered

When advertisers of therapeutic goods make representations regarding the efficacy of those therapeutic goods, they must ensure that the strength of the evidence is reflected in the strength of the representations.

Where evidence is very strong, strong claims may be justified. Where the evidence is of modest quality (but nonetheless supports claims of product efficacy), advertisers must take care not to overstate the quality and nature of the evidence when making claims about the product.

To do otherwise is likely to mislead the public and breach sections 4(1)(b), 4(2)(a), and 4(2)(c) of the Code."

To date there is NO evidence that LifeWave patches are anything other than placebos.

"Information on retailer websites is the responsibility of the website publisher

Publishers of websites should be aware that they are responsible for the material they publish, regardless of whether they have copied that material from product packaging or other websites.

Some online retailers appear to be of the view that it is acceptable to duplicate information from such sources for the purposes of advertising products for sale, but take no responsibility for the publication of the information.

In complaint 4-0707, an online retailer and advertiser argued that they had "absolutely no way of knowing whether [the product sponsor is] in fact justified in what they say about " the advertised product, and explained that "text on our website is originally all copied from the respective manufacturer
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 12:34 AM
<b>LIFEWAVE
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 12:35 AM
<b>LIFEWAVE
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 12:35 AM
<b>LIFEWAVE
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 12:42 AM
Oops, "session expired" for that link I just gave. Try http://services.georgia.gov/dch/mebs/jsp/index.jsp and type in Haltiwanger.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 07:25 AM
Joel,

Few, if any, LifeWavers will bother to read all of your post and try to understand your point.

Which is EXACTLY why they make such good fodder for SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist)Schmidt.

LifeWave has always used a great deal of pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo in their advertising literature. The prospective LifeWaver "tunes out" very quickly and focuses on the part about making lots of cash.

As you and I know all too well, the so called "studies" are a joke; but they are a joke that LifeWavers will never get.

"David Schmidt looks you straight in the face, and lies.

For money. Without flinching."

The classic sign of a SOCIOPATH.

Think back to various interviews of sociopaths on TV.

They look into the camera and state "I didn't do it" or "That wasn't me on the security camera video" even when the evidence against them is overwhelming.

As for "fatty" Haltiwanger.

He'd better get on with a traditional form of weight loss soon. The huffing and puffing while he just stands still on a stage is a very bad sign.

He should know...he's a Doctor you know.

On probation, yes but a Dr. nevertheless.

http://services.georgia.gov/dch/mebs/retrieveBoardOrder.do?licenseNumber=026292&boardTypeId=2

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Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 10:35 AM
EDHUK:

<i>"Which is EXACTLY why they make such good fodder . . . "</i>

Like lambs to the slaughter.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 11:45 AM
LIFEWAVE'S NEWEST SCAM SP9 PATCH

"The LifeWave Patch SP9 Complete Weight Loss system will be released in the fall of 2009. This entirely new concept of weight loss will be centered around a new LifeWave SP6 Patch that operates on the left side of the body along with a timed release series of nutritional components. . . . Dr. Steven Haltiwanger MD CCN announced that the weight loss that is to be expected within 2 days of starting the program will typically be 6-8 lbs!" http://quikonnex.com/channel/pagemain/barnone-lifewave

<i>"timed release series of nutritional components"</i> So this new patch will be a transdermal patch? Doubtful. Lifewave, I am sure, wants to stay off the FDA's radar.

I notice that Haltiwanger didn't announce that <i>he</i> expects to lose 6-8 lbs every 2 days on the new patches. Is any fat burning patch that works by resonant energy transfer (or was it "hot and cold patch," or "accupressure" today, I forget) strong enough to get Haltiwanger to diet and exercise?

Like most MLM's, Lifewave has to keep coming up with new products as the marks -- I mean, distributors and customers -- soon realize that their old products have little if any value.

Remember Lifewave's failed Okalani (Okabaloney) scam restructured water? ("STOP Snoring in 7-9 days especially after using the LifeWave Okalani water which enhances the effect of all LifeWave Patches.") http://quikonnex.com/channel/archive/519/2007-02

Remember Lifewave's failed face creams ("Lifewave's Nanotechnology Skin Care System Topical, Advanced C Serum, and Advanced Skin Renewal?") http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Papers/SciencePaper003-Cosmetic Formula Lifewave-final.pdf
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 11:51 AM
That last link doesn't work due to the presence of spaces in the PDF file name.

To retrieve that write-up by Steven Haltiwanger of the failed Lifewave Nanotechnology Skin Care System, go to http://lifewave.com/research.asp and click on the link for "LifeWave
Dr David
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 12:48 PM
Dear Joel,
No offense. I have a PhD in toxicology from a medical university. Hope that I qualify for still calling me a doctor.... Dr. Haltiwanger CV is a joke. The scientific papers he clams he published is either books (you can write whatever you want in a book without being accountable for it)or a non-scientific magazine. The lectures he has given are in alternative medicine conferences, sports centers or alternative medicine collages (which he likes to call universities) if he even dares to put a name and not only a country. What can I say... if you are a legitimate company who are performing research you either spent millions of dollars building up a research facility to do the research yourself or you collaborate with researcher at different universities. Either so your findings will show up in scientific medical journals at for example http://www.pubmed.com There is no scientific evidence that this has ever been done with Lifewaves products
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 01:56 PM
Dr. David
in Israel

In the early days, LifeWave made a point of saying that they could NOT afford to do research!

This was their stock answer when we asked for verifiable studies.

Haltiwanger would state that the company was starting out and didn't have the large sums of money needed to set up proper research studies.

It did't stop them selling the product though!

Back then, they explained that by selling the product for a profit they would then have the money needed for research!

In the meantime, and, of course, to this day, they continue to state that LifeWave patches work...because they say they do.

"Fatty" Haltiwanger's seen it. He doesn't need someone telling him they don't work.

Seeing is believing for Haltiwanger!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ix5rw4FSg

"That's where this is at."

No proof needed, right?

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Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 02:12 PM
Dr. David,

Thank you for your input and expertise.

I'm an electrical engineer, and so I know what nonsense Lifewave's "technology" of "frequency modulation of the body's own thermomagnetic field," "like a cellular telephone," "resonant energy transfer," and "gives off finely tuned frequencies of infrared light that gently stimulate accupressure points [from a distance, magically penetrating clothing and casts]" are.

Leaving Dr. Haltiwanger aside for the moment, generally speaking, how does a real doctor who is intelligent and rational enough to have made it through a college B.S. and medical school, get caught up in promoting (and maybe even believing?) such transparent hokum as Lifewave? There are many real doctors out there, in addition to many fake ones, promoting ridiculous and magical cures, pills, water, bracelets, medallions, electro-gizmos, resonant-frequency-adjusting cat smackings (holistic veterinary Dr. David Valentine in Santa Monica), etc.

Do a significant number of them actually believe in the snake oil that they sell because they really don't understand the difference?

Does the lure of money have that great an effect on people who would otherwise be smart enough to know the difference, that gold fever blinds them?

Do most of them know they're selling snake oil, but they don't care because they're simply amoral people?

Do they know that they're selling placebos, but they believe that it's ethical to sell placebos and they know that they minute they admit that it's a placebo the positive responses in the patients will disappear so they believe that it's ethical to lie wholesale?

That's one thing that I've been pondering myself a bit: Since the placebo effect is real, and can bring about real pain relief at least temporarily, is there any ethically acceptable way to harness the power of placebos to help people? I notice that there seems to be plenty of room for reasonable doctors to disagree on this.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 | 02:19 PM
Correction to my last post: That should have read, "Dr. Roger Valentine in Santa Monica."

My apologies to Dr. David Valentine, whoever he might be.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 | 05:50 PM
"LifeWave is the world leader in the emerging field of organically constructed nano-antennas for the passive frequency modulation of the human magnetic field.

These antennas, when properly constructed, we believe are capable of passively modulating the human magnetic field for the purpose of transmitting information to the human body.

The end result is that users experience immediate improvements in energy, stamina, loss of pain, weight loss and a good nights sleep."

I guess you put your money where your "belief" is?

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hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 | 08:59 PM
No, you're putting your money where THEIR belief is...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 | 06:50 AM
http://quikonnex.com/channel/archive/519/2007-02

"It is not at all uncommon for cigarette smokers to start smelling nicotine coming out of the pores of their skin within 5 minutes of application of this amazing LifeWave Glutathione Nanotechnology patch to their mid sternal region."

Good old "Peak Performance Ken" with more amazing reports about LifeWave.

As with all claims, a minute or two of study pays off.

Nicotine is colorless and odorless!

There is NO SMELL so what are you talking about ken?

More smoke and mirrors, forgive the pun!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 | 02:39 PM
OFF GRID POWER SYSTEMS

Probably not a good place to be posting as this thread is about a SCAM.

Wouldn't want to associate your website with a SCAM, would you?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 | 02:41 PM
Sheangigohito
in Ghana

Thank you for your kind offer to sell me a washing machine.

I am not in the market for one right now, but I'll be sure to keep your address on file should I ever move to Ghana.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 | 09:14 PM
More pearls of wisdom from "Peak Performance Ken".

"LifeWave LLC will in a few weeks be releasing to the currently LifeWave sales team an entire weight loss/detoxification system that will be unlike anything in the world.

Of course since LifeWave Patches have been released, they too are unlike anything in the world and the new SP6 Complete system promises more of the same."

WOW

The emphasis is, of course, on "unlike anything in the world".

More accurately, Ken, it should read "unlike anything in our universe".

You can't make something real by JUST saying it is, right?

Ken, do you sell used cars by any chance?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 02:03 PM
If you believe David Schmidt has genuinely created a patch system that performs as claimed, nothing we skeptics state here will change your mind.

For those inquiring minds performing due diligence here is more food for thought.

Watch and listen to Schmidt as he talks about flying saucers to a French audience.

http://lifewavetraining.com/french/video-conference.asp

David Schmidt, CEO/Founder @ 4.58

YES you heard Schmidt correctly. He stated that an "anti gravity" flying saucer HAS been made by engineers.

Why does he tell the audience this?

Because he wants us to believe that his patch system shouldn't work but it does. We just have to change OUR belief system to catch up with him.

He looks into the audience and continues his LIES, LIES, LIES and is STILL getting away with it.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 02:13 PM
Watch "Fatty" Dr. Steve Haltiwanger sweat his way through his presentation including "evidence" that the patches work.

http://lifewavetraining.com/french/video-conference.asp

Learn about "Kirlian" photography.

http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/Kirlian photography.html

Except that the phenomenon does NOT indicate proof of a human "aura" as Haltiwanger wants us to believe.

"Once highly regarded by the paranormalists, Kirlian photography has now been shown to only indicate variances in pressure, humidity, grounding, and conductivity.

Corona discharges are well understood and explained in elementary physics."

More LIES, LIES, LIES.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 02:15 PM
Listen to Schmidt introduce "Fatty" Haltiwanger as a "walking human encyclopedia" when he really should say "walking heart attack"!

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Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 04:17 PM
Listening to Schmidt about his "anti-gravity" story.

This is very nearly straight out of a science fiction novel I read years ago, wish I could remember the title.

It's interesting that when he started the "anti-gravity" story there was laughter in the audience, obviously they believed a joke was coming, then logic abandoned them and they swallowed it.

He is very good at public speaking, pauses at the right time when he expects an audience reaction, etc.

Pity the content is drivel.
jayessell
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 06:38 PM
:cheese:

Critter!
I know this!
(Well... I remembered the keyword that allowed Goggle to find it.)
Google said...

Question
Trying to find a 'back in teh day' short story on anti-gravity device.Basic outline is that scientists from various disciplines are shown grainy film of anti-gravity device, but inventor killed. Shown inventors study - books on range of disciplines e.g. physics, biology, religion, witchcraft and asked to try and re-create. Turns out film/ library are faked, but because experts thought it had been done once they were more open to success.

Answer:
The short story you're looking for is
Raymond F Jones' "Noise Level".

(Astounding Magazine, December 1952)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 07:37 PM
Critter and Jayessell.

This is what Schmidt does well.

He "borrows" from all kinds of sources, be they written or in the flesh, and then claims the info as his own.

Many of his ex-management team at LifeWave central have described how Schmidt is like a leech.

He'll suck you dry then spit you out to the curb.

No doubt the ex Mrs. Schmidt could share a good story or two, but I doubt she will.

Any money she receives from Schmidt to support the children is probably tied to a clause that prevents her from revealing what a complete low life this man is.

How many of his current team actually believe the storyline?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 | 07:43 PM
Critter

Remember this post from Lisa regarding the glutathione patches and the claims that children with autism will benefit?

Lissa
in Australia
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 | 04:19 PM

"Thank you for those responses, I am absolutely dedicated to continuing this and finding out if it really will be the help us mums & families need.

I am familiar with those sites you mentioned WWSN1, I have already made plans to contact them when I have had nick on the patches for one month,

I have printed out independant studies and information on the Glutathione Deficiency and I am gathering all I can to put together to take to my doctor & my autism support group.

I do plan to do exactly as you said, get my support group involved to test the effectiveness of this.

I got involved for this aspect, not the mlm, I want to bring health and wellbeing to my family and as many families as i can because the suffering from this disorder and from many others that are effected by glutathione deficiency should not be happening."

I wonder what ever happened?

Lissa?

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Amos Moses
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 | 04:37 AM
What's scariest about the number of people who believe this crap is that the claims have absolutely no basis whatsoever in truth, logic or science. I mean, look, if the concept behind the patches were ANYTHING that could even remotely start to work, I could maybe, just maybe, see some very few falling for it. But, these claims are an out-and-out joke perpetuated on those who believe any of this silliness.
Jo
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 | 04:57 PM
I have tried these patches and I love them.

The sleep patches are good for all-around stress or anxiety. Using them right before I go to bed puts me in a very deep state of sleep that I don't enjoy, so I use these during the daytime to take the edge off when I am feeling stressed.

The Icewave Pain Patches DO work. I have felt immediate relief when I use them.
I have even used the pain patches on my abdomen when I have bouts with my acidic stomach, and it most definitely relieves the pain.


This blog is about 4 years old now, as I am commenting.
I found this blog because I am looking to purhcase some more of the Lifewave patches.

A co-worker of mine introduced me to the patches during a grueling work-filled weekend.
And since then, I have traded graphic design or massage therapy, receiving payment in the form of Lifewave patches.

I recieve no monetary compensation whatsoever for the patches.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 | 07:07 PM
Jo
in Southwest US

Thank you for your annectdotal information.

Your points have been exhaustively covered in this thread.

You may wish to look at the placebo effect studies in particular.

Your heartfelt reports on effects experienced are caused by the placebo effect.

Ask SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) Schmidt to relabel his products with the disclaimer "RESULTS ARE CAUSED BY THE PLACEBO EFFECT" and we can all turn our attention to other SCAMS.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 | 04:09 PM
http://www.tgacrp.com.au/index.cfm?pageID=13&special=complaint_single&complaintID=1349

27. "The Panel was not satisfied that the material provided by the advertiser constituted even minimally persuasive evidence that the advertised products could have the therapeutic benefits claimed in the advertisements.

The Panel therefore found that the claims relating to appetite control, craving control, weight loss, detoxification, antioxidant boost, anti-aging, skin repair, pain relief, relief of pain from injuries, relief of chronic pain, relief of migraines, relief of arthritis, enhancing energy, enhancing stamina, reducing fatigue, and promoting restful sleep, had not been verified, were misleading, and were likely to arouse unwarranted expectations in relation to the products.

These aspects of the complaint were therefore justified."

b) "...to withdraw any representations that the advertised products are safe, or that they have benefits in relation to appetite control, craving control, weight loss, detoxification, antioxidant boost, anti-aging, skin repair, pain relief, relief of pain from injuries, relief of chronic pain, relief of migraines, relief of arthritis, enhancing energy, enhancing stamina, reducing fatigue, or promoting restful sleep;"

In Australia, they want REAL evidence about a product, not just testimonials and pseudoscience emanating from LifeWave central in the US.

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Jo
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 | 04:28 PM
Re: edhuk

Yes, I am well aware of your feelings and concerns about a product you have never tried.
I doon't care, and I posted it anyhow. If this is a discussion, there should be more than one opinion discussed, right?

I am also aware that you are for some reason obsessed with laughing at these products, that of which you gain a superior feeling by belittling any info concerning a product that should have no effect on your personal life whatsoever.
LET IT GO.
Yes, I am here to amuse you, glad to shine a little bit of light into your apparently wonderful existence.
Placebo effect. Yes, only stupid people are affected by the same placebo effect of a single product every time they use it.
We are smarter than our bodies and brains, and that's how we know everything there is to know in life.
Wow, thank you for shining your scientific light on puny, underdeveloped brains.
Now get a life and get over it.
Jo
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 | 04:36 PM
there are plenty of worse mis-labelings to rally for.
How about info the US pharmeceutical companies keep from the public regarding the saftey of their products?
I am not sticking up for Lifewave, merely stating that the products I have used have been acceptable to me, and pose no dangerous health side effects.
If I have repeated any "exhausted" diatribe, so sorry, but I am really not concerned about scientific proof vs what worked for me last week.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 | 07:44 PM
Jo
in Southwest US

"...I am really not concerned about scientific proof vs what worked for me last week."

I guess you have summed up your side of the "discussion" nicely.

Thank you.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 10:40 AM
Joel

Re: Your post of August 5 regarding Mr. Podolsky:

Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 | 07:27 PM

"EDHUK, let's not overlook Michael Podolsky, who was ORDERED in that decision to cease his advertising through the Lifewave website. His distributor page, http://www.lifewave.com/bodyinharmony, resolves to a distributor page for "Simon Podolsky" with an email address of .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

Hmmm . . . would that be Michael Podolsky?

Why, yes, the TGA panel specifically found that Michael Podolsky was using the name "Simon Podolsky" on that Lifewave page. (Paragraphs 23 and 24 of the panel decision).

It would appear that complying with the law, and even complying with a specific order from a government panel whose mission is to protect the public against misleading advertising, is low on Mr. Podolsky's list of priorities..."

It appears that Mr. Podolsky has taken down his website and complied with the Australian ruling.

What little money Mr. Podolsky made selling placebo patches obviously paled in comparison to the amount he would have had to pay in fines for non-compliance with the ruling.

NO doubt he is well into the next SCAM by now.

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Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 05:31 PM
Jayessell,

That was it!

Wow didn't realise it was that old.

So where is my anti-grav car? Maybe I should ask David, he has all the answers.
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 05:36 PM
EDHUK,

I remember all the autism posts.

The pattern continues, monotonously.

Please will some pro-lifewaver actually finish what they start and give us the proof so we can join in to give ourselves a better life?
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 05:39 PM
My wife, a nurse, has just been offered patches by another nurse, for whatever the current magic fix is. My wife asked her to do some research on them first and offered to help, but hasn't been asked yet. I should ask for an update.

At sport, the only people I notice with patches on are the two distributors. Everyone else is either quiet or just agrees with you.
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 06:00 PM
Jo in Southwest US,

"there are plenty of worse mis-labelings to rally for."

So you do believe there is a problem with the patches?

"How about info the US pharmeceutical companies keep from the public regarding the saftey of their products?"

Got to start somewhere, might as well start with one that affected me directly by trying to represent itself so badly that even I thought it was a scam, until I researched it, then I was convinced on the reports so far.

Still waiting to be convinced otherwise.

"I am not sticking up for Lifewave, merely stating that the products I have used have been acceptable to me, and pose no dangerous health side effects."

What about long term?

If they play with the body's functions by <insert latest way they work here>, then isn't it possible that the quick fix might lead to other problems.

No real studies done, no way to know.

"If I have repeated any "exhausted" diatribe, so sorry, but I am really not concerned about scientific proof vs what worked for me last week."

I suppose what bugs everyone here is that no one will go the distance and help us to believe by showing us valid data that helps the case for the patches.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 06:58 PM
Critter
in the Land of Oz,

"What about long term?

If they play with the body's functions by <insert latest way they work here>, then isn't it possible that the quick fix might lead to other problems.(?)

This is one area that has never concerned me.

If LifeWave has continued to manufacture non-transdermal patches containing glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) that work by various woo woo methods, (depending on which version of mode of action is in current use), I have no worries about short term or long term side effects.

Nothing enters the body and NOTHING actually happens...period.

Any effects felt by the user are the result of the PLACEBO effect.

That's why, 4 years into this SCAM, SOCIOPATH David (not a doctor or a scientist) Schmidt, is able to rest comfortably at night knowing he will NEVER successfully be sued for adverse side effects.

HOWEVER, if, as some have suggested, Schmidt has been selling transdermal patches that allow REAL chemicals to pass through the skin, that would be a whole new ball game.

Schmidt would also be of interest to the FDA IF that were true.

Time will tell on that scenario.

!
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 | 02:12 AM
How has Schmidt missed out on this:

http://www.pocketpaindoctor.com/

Clearly, it's the NEW WAVE of health scams!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 | 08:44 PM
WOW, WOW, WOW!

It's OFFICIAL folks.

This supporter of Ken Rasner (ex-LifeWave) makes the following statement on YouTube:

"Ken left Lifewave *because* it was a scam; they paid him plenty but he didn't want to compromise his morals."

There it is in black and white:

"...LIFEWAVE BECAUSE IT WAS A SCAM".

Who are we to argue with a fine upstanding member of the community.

Schmidt the SOCIOPATH better take heed and put away his shingle.

It's all OVER.

CIEAURA and Ken Rasner RULE baby!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 | 08:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmKzcEvBg1o&feature=related

Watch Ken shake some hands!!!

He KNOWS he's a WINNER!

!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 | 01:27 PM
On August 5, I posted the following list of Australian LifeWave distributor websites following Joel's info on the ruling in Australia:

Let's take a look...

http://www.lifewave-australia.com/

"This Site is Currently Offline!"

http://www.sydneymusicweb.com/lifewave.htm

Still online.

http://lifewaveaustralia.org/

Taken down.

http://www.gojijuiced.com.au/lifewave-patches.html

Resolves to the LifeWave page.

http://lifewavehome.com/

Still online.

http://www.wellness(fillin) centre.net.au/lifewave-patches-order-buy-now-online. cfm

This site turns up on a blacklist hence me adding (fillin)to get this to post.

Taken down.

http://www.lifewave.com/rep_page.asp

Still online.

http://www.lifewave-alternethealth.com/

Go Daddy holding page.

http://www.paconsulting.net.au/life-wave-products/

Still online.

I guess another email to the folks in Australia is needed.

!
Lizzy
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 | 10:05 PM
I was just told about an amazing opportunity envolving Cieaura or whatever it is called. The explanantion of the product was not clear but was given to me by an enthusiastic friend that I trust. I decided to do some research to see if it would be worth my time, money and energy, only because the friend is someone who is intelligent, and was directed to this site. You guys make research easy. I do not see anything wrong with MLM. However, there are so many scams, magical potions, and koala bear sweat, get rich quick schemes that give MLM a bad name. Even the most intelligent people, as EDHUK mentioned, can fall for the okie doke, but only because they want a cause to believe in. They are willing to defend that cause regardless of their knowledge of it and feel personally attacked if others don't see what they see. I do wish Veronica and others well in their endeavors and hope they find a cause that is worthy. I do believe the only way to find something worthy in this nature is by extensive research. Thank you EDHUK for the extensive research on this product. It saved me some time.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 | 07:15 AM
Lizzy
in here

Thank you for your kind comments. There are many more folks who stick with it over the long haul. They have posted a great deal of useful talking points and accurate, verifiable, information to help people conduct due diligence.

Bob Burtis, over at the World Wide Scam Network, will be cranking up the posts this fall and folks will have more resources to check on.

I would continue to post even if no one posted words of appreciation.

Your words, however, are very much appreciated.

Have a great week-end!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 | 11:05 PM
Mmmmm

Here's something I think we missed out on:

http://secure.lifewave.com/pdfs/Certificate-of-Registration.pdf

Looks like a few emails might be in order.

Or, should we just let them make complete fools of themselves?

?
jayessell
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 | 10:55 AM
"Seen by the Brussels Chamber of Commerce"?

I can see the moon, that doesn't make me NASA!
supernova
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 | 09:07 PM
I see a lot of ranting and raving from both sides here. Even if the "chips" work the same as placebos, so be it. If people are happy let them be happy.

The information that CieAura posted about the Food and Drug administration is the generic labeling that is required until it is certified. The Food and Drug administration has allowed a lot of harmful drugs into this country only to realize later that they were wrong. Because they cannot test every product (also read: cannot test every product correctly) they require a disclaimer.

Obviously these companies wouldn't intentionally undermine their sales pitch by adding "not intended to cure." They are forced to make this statement because the Food and Drug Admin says so.

The F and D Admin was originally designed to protect us, but now I'm not so sure they aren't looking out for their own profits first and foremost. Just because they haven't tested/certified something does not prove that the product doesn't work. That logic is invalid.

But like I said the first time... if pretending a drug cured his cancer, is it murder when you tell him it was only water and the cancer returned?

Just let people be happy.

Looking forward to your witty comments!
Deirdre
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 | 07:21 PM
"The F and D Admin was originally designed to protect us, but now I'm not so sure they aren't looking out for their own profits first and foremost."

Profit? The FDA?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 | 10:13 PM
Who remembers Al Ferguson from the early days of LifeWave?

Now he's promoting this "wonder".

http://www.enlyten.com/Default.aspx?ID=aferguson

Oh Al, what next?

?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 | 11:50 PM
Wow, you'd think Al Ferguson had never even heard of Lifewave. He claims his new "products" do all the same things without even mentioning nanotechnology or cellphones! Of course even with all the testimonials describing miraculous results this product comes with the standard disclaimer:

"<i>*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.</i>"

http://www.enlyten.com/NutritionAntioxidant.aspx?ID=aferguson
Amos Moses
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 | 02:53 AM
Supernova said:
"But like I said the first time... if pretending a drug cured his cancer, is it murder when you tell him it was only water and the cancer returned?"

That makes about as much sense as declaring that the FDA is out for "profit". It is reprehensible and unforgivable to out and out scam people on bogus medical products, and the fact that some are "happy" to be scammed in no way whatsoever mitigates that. This is an outright predatory medical scam, plain and simple, no better than wiping a glob of snot on your skin and slapping duct tape over it. Period.

It's truly scary that people fall for this, and due to that absence of that logic in some arises the need for this sort of regulation...if there were no regulation, these bunko artists would claim that these things cure EVERYTHING...anything to scam a buck from the gullible.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 | 04:45 PM
The thing I always find rather hypocritical is the way in which people supporting LifeWave or whatever the next new fad is always declare that doctors and pharmaceutical companies are all just in it for the money. It never seems to occur to those people that these things such as LifeWave are all about profit, too. In fact, they probably make more profit for every dollar spent than do the pharmaceutical companies: LifeWave never goes through years of development costs or testing costs, and uses nothing but cheap materials thrown together in a simple way. And I imagine that homeopathy, what with it really being nothing but little bottles of plain water, must be nearly pure profit once you find your market.
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