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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 08:15 PM
DATNIG

"...you get to wear a mask and say whatever you like and best of all you dont have to prove to anyone your education level."

Never fear, you have proven it!

As you are the annonymous contributor (if contributor is the correct term in your case) perhaps you would consider joining the forum as a member and providing your details like the rest of us.

Cranky Media Guy, WWSN1 and others, have no need to hide. They contribute to the debate in the full glare of the scam artists and their temporary supporters.

Even you will benefit eventually when this whole scam collapses, but perhaps you have already cast your eye over the next big MLM from the UK.

It's all about the MONEY ******
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WOW
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 10:17 PM
You guys just really don't get it ........LOL.
Football
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 10:20 PM
Well at least i JUST signed up 3 football teams to to Lifewave, by the way thats Coaches, trainer's & players. Tell me guys why are so many atheletes & pro's with more creditablity than ME or YOU, why are they all signing up ????? Please someone answer, i am waiting ? on a real answer, Not just a Slam on David, give me a REAL answer ???? Come on
Joe
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 11:22 PM
If I became a football player, would that then make me more credible? Would my argument against Lifewave be more valid?

ME, YOU & YOUR FOOTBALL TEAMS have no credibility, maybe at the sport they are playing, but not for "nanotechnology." The reason why those athletes sign up is because of this big crackdown on steroids. They are looking for something that will give them a boost without testing positive. All joking aside, the football players sign up because they don't know what they are getting. All they get is a sales pitch.

There are many products that I don't have to try in order to criticize them. I don't smoke. I don't need to smoke to criticize smoking. The side effects are known. I would encourage those Lifewavers to switch to cigarettes and alcohol. At least they have a real effect on the body. I notice a 40% increase in double vision when I consume alcohol and it isn't the placebo effect.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 12:47 AM
Datnig said:

"Hey Cranky Media Guy, unlike you, whenever I enter a debate with an opponet(s) I like to make sure that the other person(s) cant whoop my ass, cause if said debate reaches its boiling point,and they can, than I am in serious trouble."

So, when does the "ass whooping" begin? Mine seems to be intact.
shis
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 06:13 AM
LifeWave Energy Patches

Here
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 08:36 AM
SHIS,

Ah, a voice from the homeland.
Maybe you recognized the British sense of humor?

Respectfully, you may want to reconsider...

"(And I don
shis
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 11:21 AM
YESTERDAY, SOMEONE SENT ME THE LINK TO LIFEWAVE PATCHES & BEFORE I KNOW IT IM INTO A DEBATE ABOUT THEM

ANYWAY....

Some Good points
EDHUK

The quotes i made about the 'LIFEWAVE PATCHES WORKING' were purely on the evidence of those in the Forum that have had positive affects from them.

But the point is 'ETHICS' and Charges $$$$$


You could argue that NiQuitin or Nicorette patches sell for about
Product
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 11:30 AM
EDHUK, Your are completely arrogant for a guy that won't try the patches.

Its not all about the money.

Its all about the product. Its all about the product. Its all about the product. Its all about the product. Its all about the product. Its all about the product.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 12:29 PM
PRODUCT,

Thank you so much for once again making the point about the patches and amnesia.

Posted many times before, but you wouldn't remember, is the point that even if I were to use the patch and feel some effect, good or bad, I could not attribute the effect to the patch. That's why studies of products are conducted.

If I try the patches for a month and every time I use them I feel sick to the bottom of my stomach, throw up and fall over, can I say it must be the patches? Of course not.

If I try the patches, as described, and a large green raised area appears on my face, can I say the patches must have done it? Of course not.

The general public deserves to be protected from snake oil salesman (or should we say expensive glucose and glycerin patches).

As for the "completely arrogant" part. That's a first for me but presumably it means my words have touched a nerve.

Could you please explain to forum readers how being completely arrogant or modest, tall or short, fat or thin, red or green, a doctor or a dentist, a miner or a lumberjack, a Ford man or a Chevy man, gin or scotch man, fried green tomatoes or caviar man, has anything in any way shape or form, past or present, to do with
a company that sells glycerin and glucose patches for $90 a month that are purported to do the most amazing things that would change the world as we know it, YET NOT ONE SINGLE CLAIM IS VERIFIABLE.

HINT: This is the part where you say "How can you possibly know they don't work if you haven't tried them?"

Then I say the part about AMNESIA and talk about.......

Then you say "You are part of some big conspiracy along with WWSN1 and Cranky Media Guy etc. etc. You guys only know how to criticize and you won't even try the patches......."

I'm very new to the forum, WWSN1 and Cranky Media Guy and others have been down in the trenches much longer. How they don't succumb to battle fatigue is a mystery to me.

I admire the fact that you totally believe in the product, if in fact you do. In today's world it's a wonderful thing to believe in something. I have also posted more than once before that I genuinely feel for people who really believe they have come across a product that has, or will, change their lives. There are many people out there looking for the extra edge; that "something" that will push them into the next level of living and enjoyment.

SHIS has encouraged people to check out the alternatives before committing to such a large cash outlay. I would have said a lifelong outlay, but we all know (deep down even you PRODUCT) that won't be happening.

You say "It's all about the product"

WHAT PRODUCT?

THERE IS NO PRODUCT!


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shis
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 12:58 PM
Yeah It's all about your BELIEF SYSTEMS (By the way they can be changed)....

For me & what i know about Life..There is ALWAYS something SIMPLE going on...and there is ALWAYS ANOTHER way to get the same result

Take a slice of Lemon rind, Then crush a vitamin C tablet..Mix this High Quality mineral Water with some tea tree oil..Get a Cotton wool pad and soak it in and then patch this to your arm..

What will it do?

I don't know...Im just searching for the SIMPLE explanation why this product works

ITS MINDSET MINDSET MINDSET & knowing there are a thousand CHEAPER things to try before signing up to such COSTS...Num

MINDET Definition - if I look at the situation in this way, then thats how i'll approach other situations...

Lighten up

Anybody got a JOKE?...I need to talk to REAL people in the REAL world
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 04:30 PM
SHIS,

Trying to keep the forum discussion grounded in reality is a full time occupation for many contributors.

Your home-made remedy may well have had an effect, but, in fareness to LifeWavers, you would have had to have properly controlled double blind studies by reputable people to prove its efficacy! LOL

The difference is that LifeWave makes a point of reminding us that the patch is non-transdermal. Nothing in the patch passes into the body. The patch somehow "talks" to your body, a particular part, nay, a particular type of cell, and "tells" it to make more energy.

"The LifeWave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 | 08:03 PM
Interesting article in the online encyclopedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology">Wickipedia</a> about nanotechnology. I found it interesting there was no mention of Lifewave's revolutionary developments in this field.

The article has dozens of links to scientific journals and universities doing research in nanotechnology. I didn't have time to search them all but did try a few. Result: 0 hits for Lifewave Energy Patches.
milk
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 08:55 AM
is any one of you going to the las vegas convention?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 10:39 AM
MILK

The purpose of giving David Schmidt more money for nothing would be?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 12:23 PM
Back to reality:

Excerpt from James Randi website.

Letter to James Randi from Dr. Meyyappan

Dr. Meyyappan wrote me:


Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have given hundreds of talks all over the world on nanotechnology and I may very well have said something to this effect about NANOTECHNOLOGY, but not about any product, as most of us in the scientific community believe that nanotechnology will have an impact across the entire economic spectrum.
But I don't know what this company is about, or their product. They did not call me, or talk to me, or ask me for a quote, nor did they ask for permission to use my name in any of their promotions. It is clever of them to take something out of context, slap my name on it and try to get a boost for their product by associating a quote to their product. A quick reading of their website, as anyone who has even just a little scientific background will tell you, indicates what nonsense it is. NASA attorneys will immediately take action and stop this.

Once again, thanks for bringing it to my attention and also working to stop this kind of nonsense from deceiving the public.

Dr. Meyya Meyyappan, Director and Senior Scientist of the Center for Nanotechnology at NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field.

http://www.randi.org/jr/061005smug.html#11


Are we sure it's not all about the money?


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shis
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 01:21 PM
Is Dr Meyyappan truly a NASA scientist (I don't want to look silly if i email this link to someone..

You got any more reputable people (links) that have washed there hands of the product

Thx

Just to say that U R all great researchers.

P.S. Your emails crease me, but i can't help wondering what's your motive? what's your mission? why have you got so much venom towards the Lifewave company? How come u got so much time to give to such a trivial issue (I accidently got involved in this forum through a google search where i was considering whether to purchase the product). I was severely put - off by the price and and the obvious B***S*** on the website.
Joe
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 02:36 PM
As you said, "I was severely put - off by the price." That is why I think that many people spend so much time on this issue (WWSN1, EDHUK, etc.). I don't really think it is trivial since thousands upon thousands of dollars are being taken from people.

I've read all these posts and have kept up on the latest news from WWSN and have made a few comments, but I wish I could do more, but it is so widespread that stopping it through words alone is a challenge. The only thing to bring this to an end will be the collaspe of Lifewave.

I've tried programs such as Nitroclicks and other similar programs and with the time I wasted on those programs without compensation gives me a motive to stop other people from wasting their time. I tell friends and family that come along these programs while surfing the Internet to approach with caution and don't get caught up in the Website "language" and its extreme promises. If I spend an hour or two a week to stop 5 or 10 people from wasting hundreds of hours on a bad program, then I feel my time wasn't wasted.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 03:42 PM
SHIS,

The words I posted were from James Randi's website 10th June 2005. If you go to Mr. Randi's site you can read more material about LifeWave. He doesn't have the time to mention LifeWave further as you will see his is looking at a multitude of other spectacular claims.

This links to his LifeWave commentary page.
http://www.google.com/u/JREF?q=LifeWave

*
truthcat
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 05:19 PM
Have double blind studies been done with patches that look exactly like the real ones, but are just dummys? If they work well, you should be able to repeatedly put real ones and fake ones on a person, and each time the body will react completely differently. It sounds as if they do work, but such tests would do much to ally the doubters and skeptics. Better still, do experiments with animals pulling loads, like horses or sled dogs, and see if you get measurable results on multiple tests involving multiple specimins.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 06:29 PM
TRUTHCAT,

You've hit the nail on the head.

David Schmidt, "inventor" of this world shattering breakthrough technology, has been selling the patches for years to make enough money to do some trials. Sounds logical, right?

At the CONference in Las Vegas expect to be bombarded with PROOF that the patches do everything he claims. You will see bona fide double blind trials performed by "respected scientists".

Your suggestion about using animals sounds logical enough. The problem is, and this has already come up with people using the patches on horses, you cannot minimize the influence of the person putting the patches on the animal.

A serious study of the efficacy could be designed by those who are equiped to do so. Do I think this will happen? Of course not. What you will read about for months to come are the results of the "studies" carried out by LifeWave. Attach a "name" to the study and you have all the proof you need. Everyone here at this forum can pack up their bags and allow the innocent Mr. Schmidt to make his millions/hundreds of millions and improve the health of every man woman and child on the face of the earth, for a price.

SIMPLE. Any questions?
Waver
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 07:46 PM
EDHUK you are a blithering idiot.
Waver
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 07:47 PM
LifeWave to help with Disaster Relief

Company Sponsors Program

When disaster of the magnitude of Hurricane Katrina strikes, people are eager to help. The victims need food, clothing and other goods to meet their basic needs. The phone calls have flooded into LifeWave wanting to know how we can help the affected families begin to replace what they have lost.

On Saturday, September 10th during lunch at the national convention in Las Vegas our leaders will be collecting funds for the American Red Cross.

David Schmidt has made the commitment that LifeWave will match the donations gathered that day.

The American Red Cross volunteers have been deployed to the hardest hit areas of Katrina's destruction, supplying hundreds of thousands victims left homeless with critical necessities. By making this financial gift to Hurricane 2005 Relief, the Red Cross can provide shelter, food, counseling and other assistance to those in need.

LifeWave funds will be presented to the American Red Cross on Sunday, September 11th.

Members join in: LifeWave Grass Roots Support Grows!

Thomas Burke, a LifeWave Member, is asking everyone to send 3 sets of patches (not sleeves, but just individual sets of patches) out of their own supply to:

Thomas Burke - Relief 561-776-9478 .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
401 xxxxxxxxxxx
Juno Beach, Fl. xxxxx

Some distributors are sending more, but Thomas hopes for a minimum of three sets per Member.

Thomas is working with the Red Cross, WPTV-Channel 5, Doctors, and Pilots. The patches will be distributed directly to Emergency Response Personnel, flown in directly instead of it sitting in a warehouse to avoid delay. A log will be kept of all those donating and receiving the patches. Lifewave will also donate patches to this Thomas Burke program.


LifeWave Members are donating clothes and other needed items for the hurricane victims. Check your closets. We all have clothes that are good but no longer worn. What a better use for them than help others. Please give directly to your local relief efforts.

Ron Morefield has offered to contribute half of the profits from his new book ("Natural Energy Balancing) sold at the National Convention. Ron will also be happy to contribute $5 per book on behalf of Members who wish to contribute their convention discount to the relief efforts.

Many thanks to all! We have had many calls from our LifeWave family; concerned and wanting to get involved. Now we can all pull together.


LifeWave Support
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 | 08:20 PM
Congratulations WAVER,

You have indeed managed to tack yourselves onto such a disaster. You are indeed the lowest of the low.

From the blithering idiot.
Dr. T
in San Diego
 Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 12:01 AM
To: WWSN1 (Member),

Your "THIS JUST IN!" posting on Thu Sep 01, 2005 was priceless! Someone was quite creative in putting that satire together. The irony is that so much real truth was communicated.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 12:03 AM
Waver, exactly what is it your stupid phony patches are going to do for the poor unfortunate victims of Hurricane Katrina? Are they magically going to create insulin for the diabetics who can't obtain any? Are they going to fix the broken bones of those who've had debris fall on them? Oh, they're going to "give energy" to the victims? Yeah, that's what people who can't get out of a locked convention center need!

Why don't you do those poor bastards a REAL favor and simply donate money to the American Red Cross instead of trying to use them to hawk your quackery? Why drag those who have nothing left in life into your scam?
Dr. T
in San Diego
 Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 12:04 AM
WWSN1,
Your "THIS JUST IN!" posting on Thu Sep 01, 2005 was priceless! Someone was quite creative in putting that satire together. The irony is that so much real truth was communicated.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 04:51 AM
WAVER

Whilst in the midst of an early morning blithering session, the following came to mind:

Allow people to give what they choose/can afford to the disaster relief without the added step of associating their generosity with LifWave.

Do we really need to have RECIPROCAL ALTRUISM pushed into our faces to further illustrate your company's total lack of ethics/morals.


Setting up altruistic partnerships
Waver
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 07:08 AM
What part of this do you idiots not understand?

On Saturday, September 10th during lunch at the national convention in Las Vegas our leaders will be collecting funds for the American Red Cross.

David Schmidt has made the commitment that LifeWave will match the donations gathered that day.

The American Red Cross volunteers have been deployed to the hardest hit areas of Katrina's destruction, supplying hundreds of thousands victims left homeless with critical necessities. By making this financial gift to Hurricane 2005 Relief, the Red Cross can provide shelter, food, counseling and other assistance to those in need.

LifeWave funds will be presented to the American Red Cross on Sunday, September 11th.
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 08:12 AM
Edhuk was right!

Guys!!! If you want to help, donate directly to the Red Cross. DO NOT give your donations to the LfeWave leaders. Lifewave is a scam, always have been. They will just pocket your donations. I know it sounds rude, but everything I learned about them so far suggests that this is a very likely scenario.

"David Schmidt has made the commitment that LifeWave will match the donations gathered that day". Right, he will match them before depositing into his bank account.

By the way, even if magnetic field surrounds our bodies, why would it start moving to pass through patches? And how would the magnetic field move if it does not have legs?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 10:58 AM
WAVER,

What part of RECIPROCAL ALTRUISM do you not get?

IDIOT!

The greatest act of generosity you can provide is to cease and desist operating a scam company called LifeWave that has already conned thousands out of their hard earned money. Money that they would now have in abundance to offer to the emergency organizations coping with this disaster.

Which part of that simple truth do you not get?

Instead, LifeWave will use the conjuror's "slight of hand" technique and divert attention from their scam product at the Las Vegas CON..vention by attempting to show the world how generous they are in this time of need.

It's a little late to be thinking about ethics, morals, and helping your fellow man, having ripped off so many of them for the last four years.

Give me a break!

What part of that don't you get IDIOT!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 11:13 AM
By the way,

You only have till Sep-03-05 17:43:57 PDT
to snap up the bargain on Ebay. That's today. Act quickly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5610693632&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

CON SHY TOM (2) is trying to dump some LifeWave distributor supplies. WAVER, have the decency to buy them from him...only $75 opening bid.

I was interested in knowing why he is getting out so I emailed him.

Hi. Thank you for the question.
I was a distributor. I was not making any money.

Someone else might have better luck with your tools Tom. I hope my free advert helps you out. I guess you just weren't doing it right.

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shis
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 01:45 PM
Sorry what does MLM mean? (appologies im outside U.S.)
shis
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 02:02 PM
EDHUK said

"so Allow the innocent Mr. Schmidt to make his millions/hundreds of millions and improve the health of every man woman and child on the face of the earth, for a price"


It's "Ethics", Offering your services for the GOOD of mankind (NOT EXPLOTATION)...P.S. I am NOT at all religious (the word is HUMANITY)


WE ARE ALL "FORMS OF HUMANS" but unfortunatelty some of us are "LOW FORMS"...

this product is about money....I don't doubt that it WORKS...IN THAT SENSE I SUPPOSE I AM A "BELIEVER" but have patience and as always an ethical scientist/doctor or pharmaceutical company will come along with a comparable product at a fraction of the cost(Yes they are out there (well in the UK they are-especially in the alternative medicine field).

P.S. I search for my answers (tiredness, alertness, brain food, cell nutrition) with ethical products.....your NOT searching thoroughly some of you
datnig
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 02:23 PM
Just curious, does anyone in this forum believe in God? If you do could you please provide me with some links that give scientific evidence and double blind placebo controlled clinical studies that will undeniably prove that there is one. Please do not include the bible or other religious testimonials as this is not sufficient enough proof. Although everyone in this forum has differing opinions I think that we can all agree that a large majority of the population believe in some form of a higher being with little to no scientific validation to back up this belief. Many people on this forum probably believe in God. Does that make them an idiot? have they been scammed every time they put a donation in the offering plate? Should we view every member of the clergy as a con artist? They are advertising and selling a product without a great deal of proof that this product exists. I dont think so, because I know that for many, this belief has a very positive impact on their life. They are giving their money and efforts towards a product that they feel is beneficial.

Here is my point (regardless of how invalid, simplistic etc. you think it is) if you give someone a product (such as the Lifewave patches) and they use it and enjoy the experience that they have with it, then have they been scammed? some of you might say yes because there is not enough scientific data to support the claims of the company ( I am interested, much like everyone else, in reviewing all the scientific research and data that the company is presenting at their conference, but for the time being and for the sake of argument let us give them the benefit of the doubt. In a few weeks, when all this info and research emerges, we can end the speculation). At the same time you might say yes because of the price. I wouldnt consider myself anywhere near an expert in business but I do know for a fact that a lot of companies produce products for relatively cheap and sell them at 5,10,15 times of the amount of the production cost. why? probably because there is enough of a demand to facilitate this price cost and they can make more $$$. You might argue that is unethical or immoral but last time I checked, Lifewave wasnt the only company in the world that used this business format.

As far as David Schmidt is concerned, please forgive me, in my earlier posts I did not mean to insinuate that he was anywhere near the same level of Bill Gates. The point I was trying to make is that just because you dont have a curriculum vitae at the level of others that does not necessarily mean that you are not capable of being at the intellectual level of those that do. My argument was trying to highlight the fact that there were probably a few people that had a curriculum vitae much stronger than Gates' and on paper it would appear that those people should have been more likely to figure out the things that a 20 year old kid did before them.

As far as him selling the patches in other companies unsuccessfully in previous years I must ask this question; Does inventing a product that has the POTENTIAL to be successful ensure its success. The answer is NO. It doesnt matter what product you attempt to sell if you do not properly market and advertise the product then there is a good chance that you will be unsuccessful.

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datnig
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 02:24 PM
However if you realize your faults and do things that will aid in the marketing and promotion of your product, such as aligning yourself with people, in Schmidt's case Doctors and Scientists that do have well established and respected credentials, then you are more likely to be successful. Just cause I can make food that is better than McDonald's does not ensure that I will be as successful as they are.
WWSN and CMG etc. I know that you guys love to over ANALyze posts from people that dont willingly submit to your views. WWSN if your child came home with a bag full of cocaine and a bag full of lifewave patches(two products that you have CLAIMED to never use), and he asked you to chose which one to sample, my bets are you would probably tell him not to use the cocaine and to sample the lifewave. Just a guess though.

Even if cigarettes arent FDA approved, they still contain tobacco (which last time I checked was a drug, but if im wrong Im sure you will direct me to a website to refute this claim) and their properties are transmitted to the body AND there is scientific evidence and studies which show they provide more harm than good AND they are relatively expensive. My point is that you are so quick to attack a company like Lifewave and say they are a scam, but yet you pay other companies that sell products that actually KILL people no attention. Thats pretty interesting dont ya think. A little suspicious too. Has to make you wonder what your motives really are
shis
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 03:19 PM
Datnig...what happens if 50% of sales people are Greedy and are just out for themselves and care nothing about their customers and 50 % of sales people are FAIR minded and care about the people they serve.

And What happens if 50% of companys have money/earnings as top of the priority list with environmental polution much further down and 50% of companys have it the other way around.

And what if 50% of people were broadly good people with a good heart and 50% of people wer broadly evil people with selfish intentions.

How do you think that you'd spot these peple/businesses. The real INSIDE of people/businesses.What symtoms, credentials would seperate the Good from the Evil.

Do you think they go around and broadcast what lies in the depths of internal corriders? Or do you think they try hard to mask and cover up the real Them.

And thats the struggle of Life for us all

People/Business appear the same from the outside. They can say anything and portray any image they wish on the outside. But what Lurks beneath the smile (person)/beneath the Free gifts(from the company). Im talking about the the REAL person...the REAL company

spotting the good from the bad..spotting the nicely wrapped up outside but ugly/dark/evil horrible INSIDE.


So PLEASE don't compare LIFEWAVE to other companies (OF course there are others). Develop a strategy for spotting the wrotten eggs people and companies. Look underneath the exterior. AND try to get to the REAL PERSON, the The REAL company the REAL MISSION/PURPOSE...You will then start to develop a 6th sense..tell tale signs..And you will learn how you can get to the core...Frightening what you find sometimes

REMEMBER THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE DOING GOOD THING ON THIS PLANET AND THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE DOING BAD THINGS..THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME ON THE OUTSIDE

LIFEWAVE LOOK BAD!!!
shis
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 03:25 PM
SORRY LAST LINE SHOULD HAVE SAID LIFEWAVE LOOK BAD ONCE YOU START PEELING
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 04:02 PM
DATNIG

I know that you guys love to over ANALyze posts from people that dont willingly submit to your views.

I read and try to understand what point a forum contributor, like yourself, is trying to make. Your posting is as important as anyone else's here. If you call that over analysis, then so be it.

As for people being made to "submit to your views", you are beginning to lose me there.

There are any number of reputable companies in business worldwide, offering products for sale through the Multi Level Marketing format. They came up with a product, had it verified as being real, not a scam, and moved forward. You won't see WWSN1 and others writing about these companies. You will see WWSN1 successfully hold scam companies to the fire until they get burned.

The notion of a secret ulterior motive behind anyone who tries to warn others about scams has been discused in this forum many times.

What is the ulterior motive? Anyone?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 05:38 PM
SHIS,

Apologies to you if I lead you to believe I supported the LifeWave pyramid MLM scam. I do not, as regular readers of the forum have noticed!

I sometimes use less than direct ways of getting my point accross and a quick reader might miss my point.

The Multi Level Marketing method of selling products is probably bigger over here than in the UK. You can Google MLM to read all about it...the good and the bad. Many people would argue that there is no such thing as a good MLM. I don't know. Is there? Anyone?

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 07:08 PM
SHIS,

Here's an interesting site for the UK and Europe.

http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/3_UK_EUC.html

Cheers.

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Product
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 09:25 PM
Well said Datnig. I completely agree with all of your statments. EDHUK, CMG, and WWSN all have something personal against Lifewave and in particular, Mr. Schmidt.

Keep up the good work!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 | 09:27 PM
Let's never forget the power of the placebo effect.

New reasearch:
http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4316165

I have consistently stated that there are many believers out there who pay good money and feel some benefit when they use the patches.

The "belief" is the key. But why pay $90 for a 30 day supply of band-aids?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 01:23 AM
Product said:

"Well said Datnig. I completely agree with all of your statments. EDHUK, CMG, and WWSN all have something personal against Lifewave and in particular, Mr. Schmidt."

I know nothing about Mr. Schmidt other than what I've read on this site. I do, however, know a fair amount about scams, hoaxes and fraud, since I've been reading about them (and in the case of hoaxes, participating in them) for most of my life.

There is nothing really new about the LifeWave scam other than the absolute specifics of it. In other words, it's the same old crap in a new package.

I understand why you'd have to grasp at the straw that I must "have something" against the "inventor" of this nonsense. It allows you to feel that you can dismiss what I (and other skeptics here) say. If your words were intended to hurt me, you have failed. They only bring into even sharper focus just how deeply in denial you are.

Call me whatever names you want. Try as you might to change the subject of the story, nothing you can say will change the FACT that the patches are a fraud which will be revealed in time.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 01:37 AM
datnig said:

"WWSN and CMG etc. I know that you guys love to over ANALyze posts from people that dont willingly submit to your views. WWSN if your child came home with a bag full of cocaine and a bag full of lifewave patches(two products that you have CLAIMED to never use), and he asked you to chose which one to sample, my bets are you would probably tell him not to use the cocaine and to sample the lifewave. Just a guess though."

I'd take both the cocaine and the LifeWave patches to the police along with my child so he could tell the cops who gave them to him. I would then swear out a complaint against whoever did it. Does that answer your question?
Product
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 08:35 AM
No matter what comes out of all of your questions that have not been answered, I truly agree with Datnig that I would not ever feel scammed with this product because it does work.

I don't care who invented them, how they work, why they shouldn't work, that they are in an MLM, etc. etc. All I know is that the product does work and can be demonstrated.

Why don't you guys try them for yourself? I think this question has been asked a few times and I guess I am just waiting for someone to actually try it rather than giving us all reasons why you won't try it!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 09:11 AM
PRODUCT

Deja Vu.

Thank you again, and again, for demonstrating the LifeWave patch amnesia effect. (Sorry, my little joke. I'm not sure if there is placebo amnesia).

You say you use the patches and feel something. You attribute what you feel to a product manufactured by LifeWave. You believe paying $90 per month is a fair price for the effect you feel.

Please read this article very carefully:

http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4316165

This new reasearch indicates you are not imagining your effect. What it also indicates is that the placebo effect (mentioned many times in this forum) is taking place.

If you are happy to pay $90 for a placebo effect so be it. You have freedom of choice.

What I object to is LifeWave, and David Schmidt, not truthfully advertising that his patch is a placebo product that can, in the right people (ie believers) bring results, albeit of a limited kind).

If David Schmidt advertised the LifWave Placebo Patch I would not have a problem with his company. I don't hold a personal grudge against anyone who tells the buyer the truth about a product and lets them make a choice about buying it or not.

In fact, when the LifeWave company goes bust, or is closed down, I would welcome Mr. Schmidt opening a new company called LifeWave Placebo and offering his patches to the many people who currently get a genuine effect (placebo based though it obviously is).

At least the company would cater to the "believers" who are getting an effect. The problem is, of course, how easy will it be to remain a "believer" when the truth about this scam becomes front page information?

$90 a month + S&H is a little hard to swallow when it probably cost ? $3. Don't forget though, that the brown patch contains glucose. Collect it in a jar and you'll have one of the most expensive sweeteners around! $1000, $2000, $3000 a jar? Anyone?

Truth in advertising anyone?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 09:28 AM
Reductions in pain ratings when administered a placebo with expected analgesic properties have been described and hypothesized to be mediated by the pain-suppressive endogenous opioid system. Using molecular imaging techniques, we directly examined the activity of the endogenous opioid system on
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 11:19 AM
WWSN, just looked at the "dark energies" sabotaging Smog Busters. Wow! Even better than Lifewave! Great stuff!

Product, you are right!
I do not know about Edhuk and WWSN, but I do have something personal against LifeWave and David Schmidt. I hate scammers.

As I noted in my previous posts, I am confident that the vast majority of the positive testimonials are not due to the placebo effect. They are FAKE. Please follow my logic:
1. After one recognizes that the product is a scam, it is only logical to conclude that his inventor is a scammer.
2. Scammers lie to sell their products. That is why we call them scammers.
3. Testimonials is just part of other lies (science, history of invention, FDA approval, clinical studies, etc.)
4. With very few possible exeptions, people protecting LifeWave here want to sell the patches. If they wants to sell it, see item 2.

Stop blaming the placebo effect, start blaming scammers. The simplest and most probable explanation: fake product, fake claims, fake testimonials. Great entertainment, though.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 04:27 PM
Sorry the link didn't work to the Economist. here is the article about placebo effect.


Pain perception

Mind tricks

Aug 25th 2005
From The Economist print edition


Suggesting medicine will help does result in physical changes in the brain

THE placebo effect, long considered nothing more than psychological suggestibility, does now appear to be genuine. Researchers this week demonstrated that when a person is treated with a substance which he or she believes to have the power to relieve pain, the brain can be tricked into setting in motion some of that pain relief.

While the Latin word placebo literally means
Product
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 04:50 PM
The product is not a placebo effect. It works on animals and last time I looked animals were not susceptible to the placebo effect.

I was also not aware that people could stop snoring in their sleep because of a placebo patch.

I was also not aware that the placebo effect could change the BMR of someone.

I was also not aware that the placebo effect could cause measurable changes in your body.

I was also not aware that the placebo patches would make some people very ill - they are not supposed to do this. They are advertised to increase energy. If this was a placebo effect then why do some people get toxic effects?

I do admit that a placebo effect is powerful but not to the extent or duration that anyone who actually tries the patches will notice.

Dr. Boris why do you call lifewave a scam when you haven't even had a chance to try the patches yourself.

I think EDHUK, WWSN, DR. Boris are all just really jealous that they haven't become involved in lifewave.

Now after bad mouthing it for so long they are afraid to try the patches!!

I'm sorry but the only losers in this situation are those of you who don't become distrubutors.

Its a great product and you can earn some money along the way. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. This will make you happy EDHUK since your $$$ key seems to be stuck!!

Nanotechnology is here!! Wouldn't you want to be a part of this trillion dollar industry in 2015. I'm glad I am!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 05:48 PM
PRODUCT

You're really not aware of very much are you?

Try reading material that doesn't just have colored pictures on the page.

Animals can, and are, influenced by humans trying out various "treatments" that's why designing a good study of a product is so difficult. It's also very difficult to objectively interpret results.

If you have read the latest placebo research you will see it is very possible to experience real effects from a placebo(see above).

As I have said before, if distributors feel comfortable being part of a placebo product company, then good luck to you. I just believe it would be more appropriate to label your product truthfully as a placebo(now there's a concept).

By the way, why on earth would anyone be jealous of a scam? Anyone?

It's still all about the money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 07:05 PM
PRODUCT


The product is not a placebo effect. It works on animals and last time I looked animals were not susceptible to the placebo effect.


I respectfully suggest you look again.

http://www.achenet.org/articles/placebo.php

One of many articles avilable for review on-line.


Decades of experiments with animals have shown that they can be conditioned to respond in specific ways to a given signal or stimulus. The most famous example is Pavlov
Product
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 08:12 PM
Come on EDHUK. You are not even close with Pavlov's dog. You are so old school it makes me laugh.

You never will get it. When you put a pari of patches on a horse or dog and you see dramatic effects it has nothing to do with conditioning effects.

Of course my dogs and horses can't talk so they can't tell me what they are experiencing but it is easy to see the difference. Anyone could spot the difference, even someone with your pigheadedness and lack of intelligence.

Try it for yourself!!! Or for your pets!!! They won't be scared to try it!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 09:29 PM
PRODUCT

"Old school"

Give me a break. So according to you humans can have no influence on their animals, right?

How many times are you going to use tired old phrases from your Schmidt bible..."You're all too scared to try it". I'm trembling in my shoes knowing that I have given up the chance to stick (not very well) a brown (glucose) patch and a white (glycerin) patch on my body and given Schmidt $90 + S&H towards his retirement. I think I'll continue to give it a miss and just tremble with fear...or wasn't I supposed to be jealous?

You have amply demonstrated your level of intelligence by getting suckered into David Schmidt's pyramid MLM scheme.

I'm not sure if you genuinely believe this stuff, in which case you do only have half a brain, or you are like so many of the "believers" who know it's a scam but are going to make as much money off other suckers as they can before the whole thing collapses like all other scams before it.

I wonder what other "treatments" you try on your animals without knowing what, if anything, they do...good or bad. There is such a thing as animal cruelty. Check out "Animal Cops". Maybe we'll get to see your smiling face on tv.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 10:45 PM
It would seem that a significant outlay of cash is an essential element of the placebo effect.
Give up
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 11:15 PM
you guys are JUST mad that evryone is liking the Patches & etc. just give up, and by the way you can't fool my dog who is doing great & it comes out in the VET JOURNAL next month on how they are working & then i will continue to laugh at you PUNKS who have nothing in your life to do but talk BAD about lifewave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 11:44 PM
My neighbor's dog is doing great too, even without the $90 a month patches.
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 | 11:53 PM
Product:
Why would I send my money to a scammer to try his scam product?
And please do not tell us stories about their "ironclad money back guarantee". Every single failed MLM promised it.
And about the effect on animals: just another lie.
Give up: I will not hold my breath about what is coming out in the VET JOURNAL. By the way, there are many vet journals. Which one should I look at?
To all true believers: I am not arguing with you. I am here for entertainment only. And boy, do you provide it!
Pulsating magnetic field passing through patches. Gives me chills.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 | 12:58 AM
You know, funny thing: When we ask what "nanotechnology" means in the context of the LifeWave patches, you supporters fall silent. When we ask how some simple plastic patches can affect the "magnetic field" around the human body, you fall silent. When we point out how the LifeWave scam closely resembles every other "amazing" MLM scam to come along in the past 10 or 20 years, you fall silent.

For people who say that the shit you sell does remarkable (and physics-defying) things, you sure don't seem to have the slightest idea how they work.

As for the "why don't you try them?" "argument," I've already said several times that I was given a few pairs of the patches and gave them to my wife to try. They did nothing at all.

If you're so anxious to have ME try them for some reason, buy them and send them to me. If I see some actual improvement, I'll pay you for them. If not, I don't pay. How's that for an offer? You guys are the ones who believe in them so much, right? Therefore you should be the ones to take the financial risk.

If you're 100% sure they will improve me in some way, then you should be willing to put the money up. Why is it reasonable for ME to buy them when I DON'T believe in them, but NOT reasonable for YOU to pay for them? You're the ones who drink the Kool-Aid; you pay for it.
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