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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 | 06:22 PM
Edhuk,

I cannot believe there is enough idiots to by into the load of BS. I think very few unfortunate people really believe in the product. Most of them know it does not work, it will never work, it cannot work. Like other MLMs, LifeWave is just about a "busyness opportunity". Their product is a disguise. People jump in to make money out of suckers that come after them (and most of these suckers know they are being scammed and hope to scam others). They do not care what the product is.

There is no point in trying to convince them the patches do not work. They know that. But it is fun to read their explanations. A little laugh will not hurt anyone for sure.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 | 07:28 PM
Dr. Boris,

I first took an interest in LifeWave when I asked a friend of mine what he was wearing on his upper chest. I first thought it was a smoking cesation patch. He explained briefly about the product, but, to his credit never tried to sell me any, or ecourage me to buy any.

Within days, I learned that someone else in my circle of friends was interested in the product and was convinced that it was genuine because friend #1 used them. I tried in vane to convince her that this was a scam, but had no luck. Over the following weeks, and even now, I have read various items about this MLM scam.

My point is that both of my friends really do believe the patches work. They say they feel great etc. They are both into things like whole foods, magnetism, yoga, vitamin supplements, working out at the gym etc.

I've always found it fascinating that some people who claim to be so healthy using alternative methods, seem to be on an insatiable quest for better health and energy. Just how much energy and health is enough?

Do they expect that at some point they will wake up one day and actually be younger than when they went to bed? Now there would be something worth buying! Mind you, when would you stop using the product. Personally, I was glad to get beyond the bedwetting stage!
NanoMan
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 | 08:29 PM
They do work!! Just try them for a month and see for yourself. You have nothing to lose as Lifewave stands behind their product. 100% satisfaction or your money back.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 | 09:01 PM
"LifeWave stands behind their product 100%..."

But will they stand behind you 100% NanoMan when they go belly up and you and all the other distributors of the "product" are left holding the can!

Complicity to defraud NanoMan...doesn't look too good on the resume.
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 | 10:45 AM
The only reason I could see this company going belly up is if the FDA shuts them down because of all the great things that they do for people. They wouldn't have to stand behind me. I am a user of the product and don't sell them to anyone. To me it would just mean that the government pulled something else of the shelf.

I hope that if they do have to shut down that they give me enough notice to order enough patches to keep me going for my lifetime.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 | 03:54 PM
Oh Nanoman,

You've been conned and you just don't get it. Your words betray the well known FDA paranoia spread throughout David Schmidt's empire.

The chances of the FDA doing much at the moment are probably slim, that's what Schmidt relies on. Registering his "invention" as a disposable heat patch was so clever.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/search/search.cfm?db=LST&ID=96034

Not too much to get the FDA in a spin there.

If you think about it for a minute, you would realize that if people like WWSN1 and myself didn't give a toss about people like you, we would just sit back and let you throw away your money without comment. Perhaps that is what I will do.

Please, buy up thousands of the patches. Take out a bank loan why don't you. After all it's money in the bank isn't it. Besides, you will be sitting on a "hot ticket" item when they are no longer available because those awful folks at the FDA couldn't stand to see a great product being sold through a pyramid MLM to the public.

As you know, that's what they do all the time. Just make life difficult for any company to make a buck, right?

I'm glad you feel wonderful, and hope you continue to feel better every day. I think it's marvelous that you feel your monthly sum of $89.95 plus S&H for your glucose and glycerin patches is a bargain. Beats buying vitamin pills I suppose.

I wish you continued good health.
Don't forget to place your big order.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 | 08:07 PM
I love conspiracy theories. The FDA scours the internet and shopping centers looking for things that might be good for you. When they find something they immediately ban it. That's the idea, keep the people dumb and sick. Lifewave Energy patches? Make you stronger, help you loose weight. Ban 'em. Right now! What next? Hey how about whole wheat bread?

Seriously, I would be surprised if the FDA did anything since the patches are only sugar and water and do nothing for you. They are physically harmless so it's out of their jurisdiction. The MLM scam is another matter though. I'm sure false advertising is serious business for other government departments.
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 | 08:13 PM
EDHUK,

Thanks for the kind words!! And a big thanks for thinking about me and my spending habits. I have lots of money in the bank for my retirement and I am willing to spend it on something that takes away my pain and agony that i have had for many years. No other product has stood up to this and I have tried many. And by the way they are only 69.95 for me.

Why don't you try them for yourself?? You really need to give these a try. It sounds like you really could use the lifewave effect in your life.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 07:27 AM
Nanoman,

Pretty much the reply I expected. "Why don't you try them?" is the catchphrase for LifeWave.

I sympathise with anyone who experiences chronic pain. I am glad you have found a method to relieve your suffering. I would urge you to resist the temptation to spend your retirement money just yet. Why not see how things pan out over the next few months?

I also read that the patches have given you special powers. From a few words you are able to deduce that I need the "LifeWave effect". I think that someone with such special powers doesn't need Schmidt's scam product. You could just as easily turn those powers inwards.

"Physician, heal thyself" and save $69.95 a month in the process.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 09:04 AM
WWSN1

As always you are right on target.

However, in the case of NANOMAN we have an example of what I have previously written about.

She/he may be another typical scamster who is making up a story of how the patches have cured their chronic pain (and nothing else has ever done that) or may be a genuine person who has been duped by this whole process.

If it is the former, then we know they will not be investing their life savings in the patches. If it is the latter, then we have a person who is genuinely getting pain relief and is totally convinced that LifeWave patches are responsible.

So the stage is set for psychological conflict. If Nanoman was ever convinced that the patches were in fact worthless, would the pain return? Nanoman must do everything possible to fend off anyone or anything that can challenge their "pain killing belief" because to loose the battle could mean the return of chronic pain.

Interesting dilema. Should those who obtain genuine relief from pain etc. have their beliefs shattered in the cause of truth.

I truly wish we could have our cake and eat it!

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Nanoman
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 10:20 AM
WWSN,


"It sounds like you really could use Tahitian Noni in your life."

"It sounds like you really could use a good woman in your life."

"It sounds like you really could use Jesus in your life."

I take offense to all of these. I don't need Tahitian Noni becuase my skin looks great. I do have a wife whom I love, and I do have Jesus in my life. Not sure what this has to do with the patches helping me. Are you stating that miracles cannot happen and that people cannnot be healed? Are you saying that it is just a placebo effect?

The studies are being conducted now and will be published soon.

Try them for yourself as they are a 100% money back guarantee. If you feel this is just a sales pitch then why are you so afraid of trying them? If you can't afford them, I understand. But even when they do work you could say they didn't and get your money back if that is your biggest fear. Or perhaps you fear that all this time you have spent writing and researching will have been a waste of time?? Sorry for your dilemma and fear of what they can do for you.
EDHUK
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 10:26 AM
EDHUK,

I have seen what the patches do for me and a number of other people and animals. I have also seen the effect that they have on the bodies energy levels as measured by machines that you can't afford.

I really don't care if they are honey and molasses, who invented them, how they actually work. The bottom line is that they do work!! Do I really care what my fax machine is made of, or who invented it, or how it works?? No - just accept it and enjoy it!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 11:44 AM
I'm not quite sure who posted the previous but it is it not me!

LifeWave has produced a totally worthless set of patches and is defrauding the public.

Please have the decency to post under your own name.

Thank you.

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Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 04:36 PM
To the fake EDHUCK:
You said: "Do I really care what my fax machine is made of, or who invented it, or how it works?? No - just accept it and enjoy it!!"

And how exactly do you enjoy a fax machine?
milk
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 04:46 PM
I would like to know if anybody experienced any side effeccts using the Lifewave patches..
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 04:58 PM
To the fake EDHUCK (continued):
That is right that most of us do not know how things we use work. That of course includes fax macines. However,
1. They are patented. And LifeWave patent application is a total joke. Have you bothered to read it?
2. They were researched first and then sold.
3. We do not buy them from an MLM company.
4. They DO Not violate laws of physics.
5. The studies are being conducted now and will be published soon. How do you know? Can you give any SPECIFIC information on where the patches are being studied?

Wonder how many believers know what magnetic field is?
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 05:00 PM
milk:
The only side effect to worry about is the balance on your checking account.
milk
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 05:42 PM
Thank you Dr.Boris.
The thing is I got a set of patches given to me and I don't tend to keep buying them after, but thought I might try them out since I got them for free. Are they really expensive?!
I just don't want to try them if they're going to harm me in any way..we'll see..
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 06:03 PM
MILK

A side effect, as you know, is any other effect from using something other than the intended effect. Over the years, a bothersome side effect may become the intended use of the drug. In the UK, Diphenhydramine "Nytol" (Benadryl to you and me) is marketed as a sleep aid. We all know how drowsy you can get using Diphenhyramine. Other, non-drowsy, antihistamines have taken over where Diphenhydramine left off.

And so to the LifeWave brown patch(glucose) and white patch (glycerin) carefully housed in a protective shell and glued on to your skin with a 3M (supposidly) adhesive. By the way, if it really is a 3M adhesive they need to bow their heads in shame, (and LifeWave needs to get their money back). Have you noticed how many users of the patches have to use a band-aid over the top of the patch to keep it from falling off!

Let's not forget the proven statement that the patches are non-transdermal. The glucose and glycerin do not enter the body. Good news for all you diabetics out there, and good news for those on a calorie controlled diet. Wouldn't want to sneak in extra calories would we?

You want to know if anyone has experienced side effects from the patches. Well, many people "believe" they have experienced the intended effect. Logically, some people will "believe" they have experienced an unwanted side effect, but have not mentioned it to anyone. Who would you report it to anyway? It's not like telling your doctor who is then supposed to fill out a required form that finds it's way to the drug company. Vioxx anyone?

So, if the patches do nothing, and the effects are all placebo, hard though that is for many to accept, do you get the equivalent of a "placebo side effect?" Why not?

If I feel more energy within minutes of wearing my non-transdermal patches of glucose and glycerin I know it's a real result of wearing the patch, right?

If I get a strange urge to throw up after wearing the patches for an hour and after finishing a very large portion of questionable oysters, it's an unwanted side effect of the patches, right?

If I go to bed wearing the patches and after refusing to use my blood pressure medication for two weeks, wake up in the morning with a blinding headache and a numbness down the left side of my body, it's an unwanted side effect of the patches, right?

If I put on the patches and swim in a local competition and come third, but usually win, it's an unwanted side effect of the patches, right? Nothing to do with me competing every day for the last week and having run a marathon this morning.

Can you get an unwanted side effect?

Yes you can.

You can also win the lottery, look taller, be attractive to the opposite sex, have intelligent things to say at dinner parties, have an irresistable urge to contribute to the Hoax Forum, that's HOAX as in SCAM, have a smaller bank account but not give a toss, feel an overwhelmimg feeling of superiority over your fellow man...especially those poor, miserable non-believers who need something "extra" in their lives (for $89.95 a month, or reduced to $69.95 a month, or shortly to be free with a giant bottle of WHIZZO the amazing drain cleaner.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 06:26 PM
MILK,

One last thing.

As has been said many times on this forum the only harmful effect will be on your bank account, that is the ONLY thing you can count on for certain.

Other's have asked the same questions in this forum and have also been "given" some patches for free. (sound familiar?)

Here's the problem. You try the patches, and guess what? You feel great! So, it's the patches, right? How do you know?

You wear the patches and don't feel great...in fact you feel awful. It's the patches, right? How do you know?

Try standing in front of David Schmidt and saying "Your patches made me ill and I want substantial compensation for my distress and suffering". Stand well back folks, there's a Schmidt coming through.

You get the idea?

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milk
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 07:01 PM
I understand your point, thank you EDHUK.
I'm really not serious about these patches though, I don't do any sports anyway and I don't need to feel better or whatever Lifewave is supposed to do.. I also usually don't believe in this kind of dodgy products and I don't understand the science wither. like I said before, I have a set lying around so I might as well try them to see if any miracle happens(!)....nothing will probably happen, but I will report if I suddenly become wonder woman! (*v*)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 08:44 PM
MILK

Being serious or not isn't the point. You must be looking for something otherwise you wouldn't have even bothered to accept the free patches.

As I have previously posted. What if you do feel like "Wonder Woman". How do you know it was because you wore the patches?

LifeWave distributors are trained in methods to reassure users and to very cleverly instigate thought processes that result in the "us and them" mentality. Anyone who questions the patches becomes "them" and those who are "believers" becomes a member of the "in crowd". We can all remember what it feels like to "belong".

You will see the thought process in action throughout this forum. Go back to page 1, when you have the time to read it carefully, and read all 22/23 pages.

You will see the usual

"Well you haven't even tried them"

"What are you afraid off?"

"...just accept it and enjoy it!!"

"I do not know how they work, I just know that they do."

"If you want to try them..."

"Has anyone here (the forum)tried them?"

"I just think that if you don't like them fine, but don't criti(ci)ze those who beli(e)ve in them and who are physically and mentally better because of them."

"Anyone can be a skeptic. It's easy. Did any of the skeptics try the Lifewave Energy Patches?"

"I do not know how they work. They just do."

"Obviously, the 1200 + Healthcare professionals, Medical Doctors, Chiropractors, Naturopathic Doctors are convinced of the efficacy of the Lifewave Energy Patches."

"I'm hearing many positive comments from people who have tried it and had good results, on the other hand I only hear the ranting of one or two who have not tried it, and do not have any "FACTS" to disprove any of the claims."

"Good points!
Have you tried them?"

"I have had at least 25 people that gotten patches from me tell me stories you wouldn't believe about what they have done for them."

You get the flavor.


It's a bit like raising teenagers. The more the parents tell the teens not to do something the more they want to do it. Maybe we should encourage all you "believers" to buy buy buy! But then you might start to think the we all really work for David Schmidt and are cleverly getting you to buy the patches just to "prove" us wrong. Now that really would be clever!

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milk
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 10:59 PM
Hi EDHUK

being serious or not isn't the point? well what's the point then?
are you basically saying that I shouldn't bother trying them?
You say that I wouldn't bother to accept them if I wasn't looking for something. so everytime I accept a gift from someone is because I'm looking for something?! I didn't even know what the patches are- I only read it after on the leaflet and thought its very dodgy so I found this forum.
I could throw them away and it wouldn't affect me cos like I said I'm not looking to be more energetic or feeling young or whatever, i'm young and heaalthy anyway.

but say if I do become wonder woman after using the patches, I'm not the kind of person who suddenly becomes a 'believer' and start promoting the patches all around. I might be a teenager, but of course I question everything, not just these new produts but everything that happens. So I really don't understand your point. It seems like you just want everyone to be against everything. I thought this was just an open discussion forum.

I'm also quite surprised by how much knowledge you have being so against lifewave! I guess you need knowledge to back up your argument? 😉

I've read through the first few pages of this forum and the last pages, I can't be asked to read every single page..sorry.
Now I really can't be bothered to try them out cos I didn't realise that you have to stick it on your skin-ughhhh
Troy
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 11:02 PM
Just a quick contribution from someone who is a skeptic, but spent a few bucks on a trial kit of patches...

Some friends of mine "drank the koolaid" or so to speak.... They threw around terms like "nanotechnology" as if that were the explanation as to how the patches work. Then they said something about an antenna that reacts with the body's magnetic field. I replied, "Oh, so they have carbon nanotubes grown in a specific length/diameter tuned to the frequency at which the body's magnetic field switches or resonates, or something to that effect?". That was pretty lost on them.

As is pointed out so often here, not they or anybody else has stepped up to the plate to explain how the oxygen and amino acids are formed into nano antennas or how/why they interact with the body's magnetic field.

Just for kicks I dropped $30 for a trial kit (5 pairs).

My method of trying them was using my mountain bike on a paved path that I ride almost daily. It is mostly flat and I have a bike computer and heart rate monitor. I understand my performance limitations very well.

The results: for a short 7.4 mile ride I went from 16.2 to 16.9 miles per hour average. For my size/weight/bike tires/tire pressure this represents an average power output of 112 watts vs. 100 watts previously. Or, about 12% increase. My hydration levels and diet were approximately the same. I placed the patches on the "lung" points near the shoulders. This was my third day in a row on the trial and the temperature was a bit higher and more uncomfortable. All else equal, I should have been a bit slower.

The next day I did a 12.1 mile ride (encompassing all the 7.4 mile path plus some additional distance). This was done on an empty stomach, but I was hydrated. My fourth riding day in a row. My average went to 17.2 miles per hour. This is equivalent to 115 watts average power maintained for almost twice the distance. I had some energy left at the end and was able to accelerate to 27.8 miles per hour for the last 100 meters or so. Normally I only achieve about 24 to 25 miles per hour during the final sprint. The patches were worn on top of the left foot and inside the right ankle for this ride (the liver/kidney positions). So 15% more power for 63% additional distance.

Obviously this is far from a statistically significant scientific study. I don't expect anybody to take this as proof of anything. Just my two cents from an unbiased person who isn't making a dime from this. I am an engineer (mechanical), not that this should matter - but it seems like everyone on this board likes to throw around their degree. When in Rome... Ha!

I do plan to do some anaerobic excercise (weights) to see what it does there for max reps and/or weight. Seems like this is the test they talk about the most. Very little as far as specific claims for aerobic enhancement other than the Stanford swim team thing...

Also, I agree that it should be Lifewave's responsibility to provide the proof and some reliable studies for people to base decisions on. Having said that, I think this discussion could have been about 20 pages shorter if the main skeptics would have ponied up a couple bucks to try it out. I realize you probably don't have the money to buy every MLM product out there and test it, but this one must have sucked at least 40 hours of time out of the main detractors of this product. Could have saved yourself 35 hours or so by just trying it. Again, I can understand that it is just probably a point of principle of not giving the MLM's one red cent until they prove everything beyond any shadow of a doubt...

Would be entertaining though if people on the board would volunteer to try some of this stuff out and report the results rather than spending 10's of hours answering moronic personal attacks...

Cheers,

Troy
xaverlex
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 | 11:34 PM
Actually I doubt the skeptics trying the patches would have made this thread any shorter at all. Unless the patches worked undeniably perfectly first time there would have just been pages of believers trying to explain why they hadn't worked and which different tests will provide better results. Either way it runs 23 pages.

Besides, the point of principle over who gets money is I would think slightly less important than the due diligence thing. If I say that I drink rat poison every day and it makes me 1000% healthier and there are studies coming out next month that prove me right I can't imagine there are many people who are off on the rat poison drinking craze before the papers are out....
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 09:46 AM
Troy, if everbody anted up a few bucks to try the patches, David Schmidt would be able to retire richer than Bill Gates. Why contribute to that if they don't work? Yes, I'm not giving him one red cent and I'm still going to discredit him because he insists on insulting my intelligence with his bullshit.

The fact is, there is nothing to try since there is nothing in them that will do the things they claim. It doesn't take a degree in biology to know the human body does not have a magnetic field that can be manipulated by nanotech radio transmitters. And since you have a degree in mechanical engineering, you should know making nanotech radio transmitters is not yet possible. Why can't people recognize these basic facts?

Somehow, all these "believers" are convinced David Schmidt, with his background in junior business administation, is able to accomplish miraculous engineering feats that others cannot. Like you said yourself, your tests prove nothing. There are so many variables you did not eliminate, there is no way you can attribute any performance gains to the patches.

Even if you did conduct a proper study, you still have to explain this mysterious magnetic field around the body that has eluded everyone except David Schmidt for so many centuries. So please excuse me if I don't step up to the plate and buy some patches to try. The way I see it, Lifewave's arguments don't even get to first base.
kay
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 11:17 AM
I have used the patches, both energy and sleep

they do work I didnt have a blast of energy but my focus was better the sleep patches are great you put in on your knee and watch the clock because with in 15 min. you will be ready for bed
mark
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 12:34 PM
k,

I slept with my "energy" patches on.


And slept just fine..............hummmmmm?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 12:39 PM
You know the old saying "You can do anything you put your mind to".

It's true with the patches. You can sleep with the "energy" patches, have bundles of "energy" with the sleep patches.

Wearing any of the patches you can bake a cake, watch tv, carry out "scientific" experiments. The patches know no limits. The transmissions abound.

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BIO DYNAMICS INSTITUTE
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 02:49 PM
We have worked with more world-class athletes in the last 20+ in more sports than virtually anyone else in the sports performance business.

We were approached by an MLM "opportunist" wanting to cash in on our years of hard work and contacts.

Because we have a performance lab in our headquarters, we were immediately able to test the product.

The LifeWave "Representative" left with their tail between their leg.

Perhaps the most impressive test that we did, right there in front of the Lifer, was without any type of machinery or electrodes, etc.

We gave it the ol' human try.

We tested the patch against Ken Baum, author of "THE MENTAL EDGE-Maximize Your Sports Potential with the Mind-Body Connection", the best selling-sports psychology book ever written.

Ken was consistantly able to get the subjects to out perform their base performance and their patch results with simple mental exercises and the power of suggestion.

When tested against the patch, the athletes were often able to get as much as a 100% increase when coached by Ken with just a short serries of commands and suggestions.

While our testing methods may not match that of NASA, or the NIRA, our conclusion led us to <strong>PASS</strong> on "the patch".

In fact, because of the insignificance, we have chosen not to use capital letters when identifying the glorified Band-Aid
Michael F. Luisi
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 03:14 PM
Kevin trudeau has a book out.."NATURAL CURES" They don't want you to know about...and there's a slew of other "guys" out there promoting their books,on the same matter...and they don't have a Medical Degree...My brother-in-Law,graduated from a very prestigious School of Medicine,and he's not an MD but an ND..specializing in Chinese and Accupuncture.and he takes the patches,and finds them very useful...me I use them for my "Opera" Singing,they give me stamina!,more breathing support..and lasting determination wether I performing or doing Gardening work around the house...I can go for hours..I'm a Diabetic!...when I get pain...I use the the Beige Patch right on where it hurts!...and take the white patch and move it around,to eleviate what pain I have...from
Gout!,in the foot,toTendonitis,in the elbow.to pain in my Jaw!....I don't sell it that way..This is a personal Testamonial...It works Wonders
turdie
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 04:37 PM
I'll wait for the Penis Enlargement patch, that'll be the money make.
sallyb
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 06:49 PM
hello, I've never chatted on the internet but I really do notice a difference in my energy level when I wear the patches. I play tennis a lot and have noticed that I am playing longer and harder without exhausting myself. I can feel a difference in my energy level when I go for my bike rides. I did sign up for a distributorship. I enjoy being able to participate in a lot of exercising and I am no spring chicken! So, I'm Happy I've found something that works for me. thank you
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 07:30 PM
Do any of you Lifewave faithful know where the patches are made? Have you been to the factory?

Certainly they must have a research lab where all this cutting-edge technology is developed. Does Lifewave give tours to prospective distributors so they can see it's for real?

Then again, maybe David Schmidt gives you the "I could show you but then I'd have to kill you" routine.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 08:03 PM
Thank you Bio Dynamics Institute for your welcome shred of sanity in the delusional world of LifeWave. However, as you will read, if you care to look at the forum from time to time, the LifeWave scam relies on the gullibility of the human mind. It also relies heavily on the "us" and "them" paranoia that turns genuinely nice people into...I'm not sure what.

Any study you performed will be relegated to the nonsense pile, such is the amazing power of the LifeWave patches. Believers find pages of advertizing from David Schmidt to be the only "evidence" they need to hand over the cash, or "blow $30 just for the heck of it".

I use this forum as my equivalent of a daily crossword puzzle. I enjoy reading people's comments, and try as hard as I do not to, I manage to offend some individuals along the way. Sorry MILK, I never for one minute meant to cast aspertions on your desire to try something new. It's just that there is a world of new things to try that don't involve handing over your hard earned cash to a con merchant.

It's also fascinating that from time to time we read from contributors who use the line..."I was as skeptical as the next man, but I tried the patches and now I can...etc. etc." I often wonder how far up in the pyramid these people are, or maybe they are just perfectly genuine people who have been duped. Eventually, as had been said many times in this forum, the s*** will hit the fan, and not everyone will come up smelling of roses. In all likelyhood David Schmidt will do well out of scam #3...others may not do quite so well.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 08:08 PM
Oh, and the comment about the tv supreme king of the scamsters, Kevin Trudeau.

PLEASE! Now we really are scraping the barrel. It just goes to show what you can do with money. As has been said previously in this forum, advertisers don't really care where the money comes from and so people like Kevin (the face of sincerity)Trudeau can spout their drivel to those most vulnerable in our society...but that's another forum.

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Confused
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 | 09:44 PM
EDHUK & WWSN,

I am confused as too whay you haven't tried the patches?? You are so quick to cut them down but yet you know so much about them.

WWSN - I love your site. Anyone with half a mind realizes the bogus you put on your site. I actually refer prospects to your site and it helps me close them. Keep up the great work in promoting lifewave!!!
still confused
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 10:03 AM
All of these questions have been answered in this forum if you read carefully.

And why can't you answer my question??? Why haven't you tried the patches??

Thanks again for your great advertising. Keep up the great work.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 10:17 AM
Other things I haven't tried:

Walking off the edge of the earth.

Earning $10,000 a month from home, stuffing envelopes.

Buying a "share" of the Eiffel Tower.

Travelling back to 1066.

Eating a hamburger while being submerged under water for 20 minutes without oxygen.

Turning powder into water, by adding water.

Reversing the rotation of the earth by standing on my head.

Trying to change a belief in a delusional person/patient.

Making a large boulder move by shouting at it.

Bringing a dead cat back to life by blowing in its ear.

Sorry, LifeWavers, but all of the above make more sense than sticking a brown(glucose) and white (glycerin) patch on my body so that they can "talk" to my cells and cause them to make more energy in a way that is neither comprehended, demonstrable, makes use of any known science, but is "believed" to occurr by LifeWave.

David Schmidt has nothing but the deepest contempt for the intelligence of his customers. Yet, despite treating them like dirt, they come back for more in a manner reminiscent of an abusive relationship. Don't friends try to help a woman, or man, to escape from the abuser? What should we think of "friends" who just sit back and watch the bruises (physical, psychological, financial) mount up?

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Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 10:52 AM
Here is the truth about Lifewave that continually gets twisted up in the minds of those who are blind to progress. All of the questions that continually get asked in this forum and pasted over and over by WWSN have been answered. I caution all the readers of this forum to keep in mind that the WWSN has its own personal agenda against some individuals in Lifewave and he is a disinformation specialist.

Lifewave has sent over 40 pages of documents to WWSN and these have not been acknowledged.

Here are some facts about Lifewave:

1.David Schmidt has presented his curriculum vitae and it continues to get bashed. When someone invents something it takes time to establish a curriculum vitae that the annals are looking for.

2.It is typical for academics to ask for double blind placebo studies, however these cost money that a new company does not have yet. Even if one or two studies are completed, scientists turn around and say they need more peer reviewed studies.

3.Now that the company has been around for almost a year, Independent clinical studies are currently being conducted by top scientists and Doctors from around the world. Some of these scientists have published over 100 articles in peer reviewed journals. The results of these studies will be published in about 4 months.

4.Many highly respected Doctor
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 11:10 AM
Nanoman,
There is no such thing as a respected acupuncturist. That's a scam too. It's not surprising those quacks are involed with Lifewave. They go hand in hand.

You said:
"Some of these scientists have published over 100 articles in peer reviewed journals. The results of these studies will be published in about 4 months"

If these studies were published in peer-revieved journals, then they are already released, are they not? Why wait 4 months? especially when we've been told we were going to see them at the September convention. Sounds like you just cut and pasted out of the Lifewave response manual. Don't you do any thinking for yourself?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 11:10 AM
Nanoman,

When you put it that way, I must rush out and buy some patches right away.

Your connection to LifeWave is?
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 11:26 AM
sorry for the misunderstanding Captain Al,

These researchers have published over 100 other research studies. They have submitted the Lifewave studies for peer review and they will take about 4 months to appear in journals.

The fact that you dispute acupuncture as a viable treatment modality in today's society goes to prove my point about those skeptics out their. No wonder you don't think the patches work if you can't even accept Acupuncture.

Lifewavers out there..... I think we see that these type of people will never fully comprehend or appreciate other forms of healing. We are fighting a never ending battle!!
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 11:28 AM
EDHUK,

I'm glad you are seeing the light!! Let me know how they work for you!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 11:45 AM
Oh dear,
I guess my sarcasm was too subtle!

Let's beat this dead horse one more time.

If I buy a box of patches, or a box of anything, and following use find an effect, I CANNOT reliably attribute the effect to the use of the product. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. UNLESS...the product, item, medicine, etc. has been properly tested for its claimed effect and proven to meet its claims without unwanted harmful side effects. The testing having been carried out in a manner that allows the world and their mother to examine the results and read the opinions of respected peers in that line of product.

In the real world, as opposed to the delusional world of LifeWave, correctly conducted trials must prove or disprove that a product does as it claims.

People such as Nanoman continue to push the "us" and "them" jargon in the hope of increasing sales.

I continue to "do no harm" by writing. By continuing to distribute these scam patches and actively encouraging people to use and buy them, in this publicly recorded forum, you are complicit in the fraud and are culpable in the deception.

Are you carefully covering your tracks?

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Waver
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 01:25 PM
What in the world does the Harmony Chip have to do with LifeWave? Just more junk thrown out there by WWSN to confuse the issues.

As for me being anonymous on here, well I have corresponded with several of the "anti" LifeWave gang on here using my real name. I have even had several exchanges with you, Bob, on another forum.

I have to admit that I do love stopping by here every few days to get my daily quota of laughs. Great entertainment here.

Bob, you must be proud to have such a fervent convert here in EDHUK. The guy must be on the same payroll you are.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 01:59 PM
Oh Poor Waver,
Once again using flawed logic. Didn't you think I WAS WWSN? And how do you even know I'm a guy? If there is a payroll, I haven't seen any cold hard cash yet. Are you working for LifeWave?

The Harmony United Chip, having just read their site, is like a posh version of the LifeWave patches. It will surely finish off LifeWave, because everything stated on their site MUST be true, right?

"In the everyday sense of the word, the Harmony Chip doesn't DO anything, i.e. it doesn't seek to impose a given condition upon an existent system. All it really does is to dispose of accumulated rubbish and, thereby, to ALLOW the system with which it is in contact to express it's own unique optimal function and purpose."

Ah yes, the good old "you can't touch us because our product doesn't actually do anything" approach as championed by David Schmidt. Why do you think it's taking so long long to put that man behind bars?

Here we are talking about this scam in late August with a "promise" of convincing "studies" to follow in 4 months. That takes us to December, then on into 2006 with David Schmidt hardly being able to contain himself as the money rolls in...or maybe you'll choose the harmony chip. Sounds a little more upper class.

By the way, would it be logical for me to say your ardent fans are Nanoman and Scubasteve, I think not. Please try to kick it up a notch.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 02:07 PM
If Nanoman can't figured out acupunture is pseudo-science then it's no wonder he was fooled by the mumbo-jumbo spewed by Lifewave.

Nanoman, read the theory behind acupuncture and then go to your doctor and ask him to explain Chi, the life giving force that flows through the body. Ask him to point out the meridians, those points where lines of Chi cross. Then tell him if you ever need your appendix removed you want him to use acupuncture for anesthesia.

When he stops laughing he will probably tell you acupuncture was developed long ago by people who knew nothing about how the human body operates. They did not know about germs, viruses, blood circulation, the functions of vital organs, etc. And you are willing to let them be your guide to how we should conduct medical treatment? After centuries of real research, thousands of real scientists have uncovered many of the body's secrets. Not one of them has ever found any Chi or meridians in the body. There is still a long way to go but we are light-years ahead of traditional Chinese medicine which is based solely on superstition.

Acupuncture only exists today because there is a market for things that make big promises. This market is a gold mine for those who have good business sense and no conscience. Hence we have acupuncture, chiropractic, astrology, homeopathy and Lifewave Energy Patches.
Kirk
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 04:11 PM
Hello! I know there are skeptics out there, but hey all I can say is give it a try for yourself. Make sure you drink water and you are on your way! I just got mine yesterday and I am flying! You just gotta try it for yourself before you knock it. I see there are a couple of sample packs up on ebay now so get them while you can!.
Regards,

Kirk
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 04:13 PM
Nanoman:
You said "David Schmidt has presented his curriculum vitae and it continues to get bashed".
Can you please provide us a link to it? Well.... did not think so.
Also, can you please name one of those "top scientists and Doctors from around the world" that studied the patches. Just one name!?

BTW, I like Harmony patches better. When they try to explain how their patches work, they are honest. They say: IT IS A MIRACLE. Cannot argue with that.
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 04:25 PM
A comment to whoever it was that pointed out that we "enjoy" fax machines, even if we don't know how they work...

Even though I myself don't know how they work, SOMEONE does...

And, has anyone heard from Mark lately? Last I read, he was sleeping with his energy patch on. Maybe he's sleeping with more vigor than ever before, and someone should go wake him up...
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 04:59 PM
hcmomof4,
you are right about fax machines. Anyone can go learn how they work. You can also buy parts and build one yourself to prove it. And if anyone would dare deny they work, it would be so easy to prove them wrong. A simple scientifically verifiable demonstration would not be hard to do. Can't say the same for Lifewave patches.

Mark should be up by now. A one month supply of patches contains 15 pairs so they must only last 2 days. The Harmony patch is guaranteed for 10 years. Is David Schmidt's technology obsolete already?
Tank
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 05:16 PM
interestingly there is a lot of documentation in China, a few thousand years worth, on the efficacy of Accupuncture....and whilst western medicine cannot quite get it's head round how it works there is still quite a lot more supporting evidence, and a sound theory of intricate workings to explain it....a possibility for discussion and debate.

Lifewave still has little I'm interested in - appart from this 'debate' but I watch on ever in hope.

oh and also Nanoman said:
1.David Schmidt has presented his curriculum vitae and it continues to get bashed. When someone invents something it takes time to establish a curriculum vitae that the annals are looking for.

Some people have listed some things that he has done..not quite a full CV (but I may have missed something here) and his CV should really have his past achievements on it not so much stuff about his new invention, so it should take no time at all.

couldn't resist returning my oar here,
;o)Tank
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 05:25 PM
KIRK,

Sorry you didn't get to read the previous postings. Your point has been covered ad nauseum. But, here goes one more time.

The fact that you bought an item, stuck it on a body part, drank some water and felt good, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS as any kind of accepted method of "proving" cause and effect.

That is the reason skeptics, such as myself, would not use the patches if you sent me a years supply for free.

You have no idea what has "caused" your feeling of well being; it may or may not have been the placebo effect.

The argument from LifeWavers that "you can't knock it if you haven't tried it" is complete nonsense, but as the product is also complete nonsense, such arguments are totally predictable.

I'm glad you feel great, and I hope you continue to feel so, but at some stage be prepared to feel like a complete idiot who has been duped.

That will be the time when you, and other LifeWavers, will turn your thoughts away from finding fault in the naysayers and aiming them at David Schmidt. Unfortunately he will then be "forwarding address unknown."

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 | 07:39 PM
Tank,
Check out the other side of the story. You will find there is NO SUCH THING as Chi or meridians in the body. Period. A few thousand years of documentation? So what? There are a few hundred years of documentation on astrology. Does that mean it must be legitimate? If acupuncture had any sound theory behind it, the debate would have ended long ago. Enough said, this is off topic. Let's deal with one scam at a time.
Waver
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 | 07:43 AM
Sorry Bob, I'm not Al Ferguson, although I did find it amusing that you made him cry on mlm.com for using his website. Sad.

The gall of David Schmidt and Lifewave affiliates is unmitigated and unprecedented. And the gullibility of the consumer successfully rises to the challenge.


Your rightous indignation is something else there Bob. Nobody gets as worked up over something for as long a period of time with no vested interest. Maybe one day we will found out what yours is.

And it looks like the one LifeWave badboy, Stuart "SkyBiz" Purcell may be leaving/forced out of LifeWave. No official word from anyone, but their are rumors to that effect.
Waver
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 11:13 AM
belch, yawn..............

Nothing new there, just the same old tired rehashing as always.
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 11:52 AM
Oops sorry about the repeat here. Just following the tactics of repeating Bob!!


Here is the truth about Lifewave that continually gets twisted up in the minds of those who are blind to progress. All of the questions that continually get asked in this forum and pasted over and over by WWSN have been answered. I caution all the readers of this forum to keep in mind that the WWSN has its own personal agenda against some individuals in Lifewave and he is a disinformation specialist.

Lifewave has sent over 40 pages of documents to WWSN and these have not been acknowledged.

Here are some facts about Lifewave:

1.David Schmidt has presented his curriculum vitae and it continues to get bashed. When someone invents something it takes time to establish a curriculum vitae that the annals are looking for.

2.It is typical for academics to ask for double blind placebo studies, however these cost money that a new company does not have yet. Even if one or two studies are completed, scientists turn around and say they need more peer reviewed studies.

3.Now that the company has been around for almost a year, Independent clinical studies are currently being conducted by top scientists and Doctors from around the world. Some of these scientists have published over 100 articles in peer reviewed journals. The results of these studies will be published in about 4 months.

4.Many highly respected Doctor
Waver
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 12:36 PM
better be careful nanoman, you'll be consigned to deprogramming like I've been by BSing Bob.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 02:09 PM
Yeah, check out that Spectravision link supplied by Nanoman! The explanation of how their machine works is a potpouri of pseudo-scientific terms targeted at a Star Trek educated audience.
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