The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 02:23 PM
Meanwhile, while we all play "My dad's bigger than your dad," David Schmidt continues to rub his hands in glee. So much money, he doesn't know what to do with it.

The stakes are very high. If it were you, wouldn't you have a few people to keep an eye on forums and post various "pearls of wisdom" from time to time. Continue the debate that allows Schmidt (if that's his real name) to rake in the cash without actually answering one question.

Nanoman

"David Schmidt has presented his curriculum vitae.."

If you truly believe that the information posted is a CV, then that says everthing that need be said about you.

Onwards to the Convention where people will have the opportunity to BUY BUY BUY, not that there's any harm in making lots of money. It'll be coming from the likes of Nanoman, so that's all right, right?
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 03:04 PM
Captain Al,

You think everything is pseudo-science unless it is your family doctor prescribing something to you.

It is people like you that think that as long as they don't have to go to the doctor then everything must be fine!!

I hope that in the future your health remains with you and if it doesn't that your MD can prescribe the right drugs to ease your pain.

If they can't ease your pain, it would suck for you to have to swallow your pride and go to a Physioptherapist, an Acupuncurist, a Chiropractor, a Naturopath, or apply the lifewave energy patches to help ease your pain.

I encourage you to hook yourself up to the spectravision machine. It will give you a very good idea of your current health status. I'm not a big fan of star trek and I'm sorry that the language used for describing the spectravision is above your head. What it provides is an internal snapshot of your bodies functioning organs and reveals how the lifewave patches provide balance of energy throughout all of your organs. (this is what Eastern Chinese Medicine believes is the key for prevention of disease). But of course that is all pseudo-science and all of North America is much healthier than Asian cultures right??
Waver
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 03:52 PM
I swear, either whoever's payroll your on pays you by the word or you just like to talk to hear yourself talk.
Charlie
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 05:27 PM
WWSN,

Sounds like you have something personal against David Schmidt.

If it would make things easier for you then lets assume Haltiwanger invented them. I really could care less who invented them.... they are a wonderful product!! Try them for yourself!! What are you scared of?
lifewave4life
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 05:48 PM
the patches work peroid
oooops
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 05:48 PM
they work period
waveinc
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 05:50 PM
Lifewave Rules, get ready guys 4 high schools are on board including my debate class HAHAHAHAHA & yes we are all TRUE believers
DOIT
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 05:51 PM
ANTI-STEROID = LIFEWAVE 2005
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 06:46 PM
Actually Nanoman, I don't have a family doctor. And I don't take drugs of any kind. (Well maybe one kind. I do enjoy a beer every now and then.)

I'm sorry if you or someone you know is banking on Lifewave as a last ditch attempt at pain relief. Luckily that is one situation where the placebo effect can help, at least for a while.

All the David Schmidt's, acupuncturists, chiropractics and naturopathists or whatever they call themselves, know a desparate market when they see one. They only have to make big promises. No proof necessary. Claim you are being persecuted by the establishment. Make yourself out to be the underdog, the one fighting for the commom person, and everyone will sympathize with you. "Real cures are being kept secret." We all "know" that.

Do I think everything is pseudo-science unless it is prescribed by a doctor? Not on your life. But Lifewave and the Spectravision obviously are so don't bore me with crap like "energy balance" in the body. That's pure bullshit and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

By the way, check the statistics. I think you will find, on average, people in North America live a lot longer than those in Asia. What does that say about the state of Eastern Chinese Medicine?
Nanoman
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 07:01 PM
I'm glad you are healthy thus far Captain Al. My assumptions were completely accurate. You are not a person who has had to understand the way our bodies operate.

Just how many beer do you have prior to writing in this forum. Drink a few more until you are thinking straight again.

I'm sorry you don't believe in energy within the body. I'm afraid you are slightly out numbered here. I really have nothing further to say to you. You are not even close to comprehending the elaborate processes that are occuring in our bodies at a cellular level. Yu have never had to an dhopefully you won't have to. My wishes to you for a life of good health!!
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 07:15 PM
Wow! Five new Lifewavers and only one of them knows anything about grammar and punctuation. That's about average. Maybe it's because they spent all their study time concentrating on Biology class.

Hey Nanoman! Since this controversy began, have you even bothered to go down to your university library to check up on the present state of nanotechnology to see if something like Lifewave Energy Patches are even possible at this time? Would you believe them if they said nobody has even come close to making a useful device with nanotechnology? And after doing this minimal amount of simple research, would you conclude that maybe David Schmidt has not been totally honest with you about his product and that it might not be a good long term investment?
LifewaveSchool2005
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 08:36 PM
our school just came on as a 100% Lifewave School, we are all sports players & this is GREAT, we also invite all of you to come on board as the ANTI STEROID campaign GROWS, 5 more schools coming on this week......WOW....... Dennis---Team QB
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 | 09:55 PM
WWSN1, I suspect the schoolboys know the real story. They are just a bunch of hired guns with their eyes on some easy cash.
Waver
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 | 07:36 AM

I wonder why they don't do something so simple that would shut me and the growing number of critics up for once and for all?

You, Jersey Lamb, and EDHUK are a growing number of critics? only in your own minds.
mayo
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 | 01:37 PM
Acually i went to the mayo & has tests ran & it showed between 20 & 22% increase in energy when the patches were worn, I am getting them to fax over results & i will scan them & post them Here....
AnotherLifewaveschool
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 | 01:40 PM
We just had our back to school BASH & we ( FOOTBALL PLAYER'S ) are supporting the patches. Even the band that played our bash was wearing patches , the bassist & drummer
Nanoman
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 | 04:22 PM
Dear LOUD critic,

You can bash lifewave all you want to the MLM community. Everyone in the MLM community knows about you and your personal agendas.

Keep up the great advertising. Lifewave is on pace to be the fastest growing MLM company in history. Why don't you join the wave?!?! Or better yet try the patches.....this question will not go away.


By the way, BioPro and VitaGenix were companies that were already in existence and selling other products before David brought the patches aboard. Their failure had absolutely nothing to do with the energy patches. I thought I answered this one already....or maybe I'm being ignored??

P.S. I feel left out from your last forum. Am I being consigned to deprogramming?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 | 05:31 PM
WWSN1

Once again I take my hat off to you.

To have various "believers" bash you as some sort of person with a hidden agenda (whatever that could possibly be) on an ad nauseum repetitive basis is tiresome to say the least. Yet you press on in the knowledge that exposing this scam is the ethical thing to do.

David Schmidt is a very clever businessman, very clever. Not ethical or moral in any way shape or form, but he sure knows how to fool most of the people most of the time.

He can also be confident in the knowledge that not one person will ever successfully bring a law suit against him due to the patches causing harm. He is 100% confident because he knows they do nothing, harmful or otherwise. It's a neat deal.

I'm at the stage where I have other things more pressing right now in my life, so I'll leave it to the "experts" to discuss at continuing length and maybe I'll dip into the forum from time to time to see if there is anything other than "LifeWave Rules" and WWSN1 bashing.

Cheers Bob, keep up the excellent work.

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Nanoman
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 | 10:41 AM
WWSN - Why don't you try the patches?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 | 02:10 PM
Nanoman said:

"WWSN - Why don't you try the patches?"

That question has been asked and answered several times already. I realize you're not getting the answer you want ("I'm scared to use them, Nanoman") but you've gotten your answer; it's time to move on.

Since you're into question, here's one for you: Are you prepared to prostrate yourself and apologize when (not if, but when) LifeWave collapses, as is inevitable?

As WWSN has pointed out, this scenario has played itself out many, many times. Do you think the people who sold Laundry Balls with their "structured water" weren't just as fervent in their defense of that nonsense as you are of LifeWave's nonsense? And that's just one example.

Yeah yeah, I know, that was "different" somehow, in some way that you can't quite explain. From the outside, to those of us who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid, it's the same story in new packaging. The people who were taken in by that scam (and countless others) were just as positive that what they were involved in was "revolutionary" and "destined to change the world" and are just as hurt, financially and emotionally, by the collapse of their delusion.

This movie never changes fundamentally, the ending is always the same: the true believers who sunk their life savings into the scam are left by the side of road to wonder how they got taken. LifeWave will be no different.
Nanoman
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 | 03:07 PM
I don't feel I've gotten an answer. The one you posted above may be one of the reasons, but that has never been stated until now. Does this mean you are scared to use them Cranky media guy??

I really think you could use them in your life.

I also completely disagree with your statments above. This product is proven to work by many studies and testing instruments. I have also seen first hand what they do for me and also as number of other people use the product.
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 | 05:21 PM
When anyone with some education and a bit of common sense looks at the LifeWave home page, he immediately recognizes that the company is a scam.
Even if magnetic field exists "above the human bodies", why would it pass through the patches ? What makes the field move? Whatever it is, it needs the source of energy. Ever tried to used your cellphone without batteries, Nanoman? If not, why? Are you afraid to try?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 | 06:50 PM
Nanoman said:

"I don't feel I've gotten an answer. The one you posted above may be one of the reasons, but that has never been stated until now. Does this mean you are scared to use them Cranky media guy??"

Why do you always go to that "are you scared?" thing? I don't use them for the same reason I don't pour mayonnaise on my head: it's stupid and won't accomplish anything good.

Actually, if you look at some of the earlier postings on this thread, you'll see that I actually was sent some sample patches by one of your fellow LifeWave evangelists. My wife wore them as recommended for several days and...well, and nothing. No change in energy, no change in feeling, no nothing. Yeah, I know, she put them on upside down, the moon was in the seventh house, Pluto was in retrograde or some other excuse, right?

"I really think you could use them in your life."

Since we've never met or even spoken over the phone, how could you possibly make that determination? Is this one of those Bill Frist video diagnoses like he did with Terri Schiavo?

"I also completely disagree with your statments above. This product is proven to work by many studies and testing instruments. I have also seen first hand what they do for me and also as number of other people use the product."

I know you can't possibly imagine that what you believe you feel as a result of wearing the patches could possibly be the placebo effect, but I think that's exactly what's going on here. In time this will shake out and you may end up feeling foolish. I sincerely hope that that is all the damage you suffer.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 12:10 AM
Although I haven't spoken much. I must say I am surprised that the lifewavers are still so vigilant in their preaching. Even more so, I am surprised (and impressed!) that people like CMG, WWSN, and Captain Al are still around even trying to argue with them. I would have given up long ago.

People like these lifewavers won't accept any proof you give them because they are "believers." Sure this belief is foolish and has all odds against it, but then again, they couldn't prove their status as true believers if it didn't have that element of faith.

Anyways, you three (and any others as it is hard to tell who is saying what as I mostly read comments in my email) receive all the praise I can give. You are all way more patient then I could ever be, but it's good to know there are people out there like you who will endure endless blabbering and personal attacks while being ignored in turn, just to fight in the name of truth and knowledge and the protection of the ignorant.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 01:10 AM
Razela said:

"Although I haven't spoken much. I must say I am surprised that the lifewavers are still so vigilant in their preaching. Even more so, I am surprised (and impressed!) that people like CMG, WWSN, and Captain Al are still around even trying to argue with them. I would have given up long ago."

Thanks for the kind words. As for my personal motivation, I was sort of an odd kid who was interested in quack medicine, scams, hoaxes and the like so I've been reading about this stuff for decades now. An advantage I think that gives me is that, when I read about yet another of these things, I can see that it fits the same pattern as all the others. The "true believers" are almost certainly people who don't share my peculiar interest in this sort of thing so they see whatever scam they are involved in as a unique thing rather than just another in a long series of similar frauds.

It doesn't make me "better" or necessarily smarter than the "true believers" but my unusual knowledge of this subject allows me to see more clearly what's happening, I believe, than they can. It's as if I can see the train barreling down the track but the person standing on the track can't. You yell at them but they just don't believe there's a danger. Eventually, of course, they find out--the hard way.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 08:59 AM
I'm surprised Razela doesn't think we are totally crazy for spinning our wheels with the Lifewave believers. I sometimes wonder why I bother. Maybe I just can't stand the thought of someone like David Schmidt thinking he has fooled me. There may be some people who aren't sure what to think. So when they do an internet search all they come up with is hundreds of Lifewave dealer sites, all gushing hyperbole about countless studies by "scientists" claiming they "work". At least they have this one and WWSN to give the other side of the story.

WWSN has posted that this is the best debate on the web about the patches, so they have circled the wagons hoping to deflect any rational thought that could affect their cash flow. As time goes by I'm convinced they do know the patches are bogus. How else can you explain their main response: "Just try them. What are you afraid of?" They just see it as easy money.
Dr. Schmidtenstein
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 12:02 PM
(1) they are activated by the infra-red light given off the body as body heat

(2) in reality the patches are good for 16 to 18 hours of use, however the adhesive on the backing will stop sticking at around 12 to 14 hours

(3)burn fat 2.345 gh

HGH 2.9873 gh

serotonin 2.6745 gh
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 12:22 PM
Hmm...so let me get this straight. By sending out magnetic pulses that equal certain frequencies, the human body will react in different ways.

What if David Shmidt made a giant patch (or some sort of magnetic satallite system) that could send these waves over large distances. This could be a panacea for human kind.

He could put large cancer protecting nanotechnology satallites in the center of cities and no one in the city would ever have to worry about getting cancer again.

In fact, he wouldn't even have to use it in a good way. He could use these giant patches to mess with people's brainwaves and make giant armies that never sleep and have unlimited amounts of energy and then use them to take over the world! Also he wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing his technology because he is obviously the only person on this earth smart enough to even understand how they work.

Oh the possibilities of nanotechnology!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 12:25 PM
Oh my word!!!

I know I said I didn't have time to post right now, but this is getting funnier by the minute!

ABC hasn't got a prime time comedy that even approaches the insane humor and delusional content LifeWave has brought to the table.

Back in 1972 when I watched Monty Python brighten the humor on TV I marvelled at the crazy stuff they got up to. And then there was LifeWave.

Fantastic stuff......

Keep on going guys and gals.

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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 01:01 PM
Exactly my point =)
Dr. T
in San Diego
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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1) Has anyone come up with anything to substantiate the claimed bio of David Schmidt?
2) If he did work with the government to successfully develop an energy producing patch, is it possible they would allow its proliferation thru civilian enterprises?
3) Has anyone found any CONTROLLED tests that were performed and published?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 02:51 PM
Dr. T.

You are asking real questions. This forum has proven time and again that reality flew out of the window on a wing and a prayer as far as the LifeWave pyramid MLM is concerned.

Hey, how about "LifeWave" the movie. Starring David Schmidt in the leading role as the possessed scientist whose only aim in life is to do good and bring health and energy to the planet.

(I really must get on with my work and stop dipping in to the forum...but it's such a temptation!)


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Dr. T
in San Diego
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 03:41 PM
EDHUK:

Hummm, might make an interesting SciFi movie at that.

In any case, I have observed a fairly universal truth about product viability and MLMs, i.e. if it is a product only available thru MLM, it's probably bogus and for sure is overpriced.
Dr. T
in San Diego
 Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 03:42 PM
EDHUK:

Hummm, might make an interesting SciFi movie at that.

In any case, I have observed a fairly universal truth about product viability and MLMs, i.e. if it is a product only available thru MLM, it's probably bogus and for sure is overpriced. :exclaim: :exclaim:
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 | 04:03 PM
Dr T.

Even if the patches did anything (which anyone with even half a brain realizes they don't) the discussion about them wearing out makes for interesting thinking. If there is nothing to wear out and it's them falling off...back to bad old 3M company and their sorry glue...that's the problem, then buy a box of band aids (which is how most people stick them on anyway) and ...

Buy a box of 30 (15 sets) and you have enough for yourself and 14 buddies...FOR LIFE...voila!

Great isn't it?

I shall now ruminate on the age old problem of cleaning a cat's ears without getting scratched to hell.


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oldcoach
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 | 08:29 AM
I had the opportunity to try these patches and feel that it is a total hoax. I watched as the seller had one of my co-workers do bicep curls to failure. He then waited 10 minutes. The seller set him up for another set of curls, but added the magical patches to the top of his shoes. No skin contact needed as nothing is transfered. He did 5 more reps. I attribute this to 1. the placebo effect. 2. he had warmed his muscles. 3. Adrenaline released from the first set being performed. The seller then made me stand with my feet together and arms at my side. She stood beside me and told me not to let her raise my shoulder. She put her hand under my fist and lifted up. I lost my balance fairly easily. She then repeated with the magic on my shoes. She grunted and strained but could not budge me. (She was not applying the same pressure) I think the placebo effect made her weak. She assured me that she was trying harder the second time, but I can assure you she wasnt. To disprove the test I asked if I could try it on a co-worker she had already hooked. I knocked him over the same with and without. Absolutely no difference. The best thing about these things is they show the power of the mind, and the power of believing. Its just a shame that people will pay that much money to do it. My favorite part of the brochure is in the FAQs. "What will I feel?" The first sentence of the answer is "You will probobly feel nothing." End of story
Dr.Boris
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 | 09:05 AM
Dr. Schmidtenstein, good one! LOL.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 | 11:59 AM
A short financial review.

Box of 30 patches, 15 white(glycerin) 15 brown (glucose) $90

1 box X 1,000 mugs = $90,000 per month

1 box X 10,000 mugs = $900,000 per month

1 box X 100,000 mugs = $9,000,000 per month

Get out there distributors, there's money to be made for your revered leader.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 09:22 AM
Excerpt from:

Report of Results: MVA6158

Patch Permeability

Prepared for:

Lifewave Products, LLC
1000 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
Suite 6-321
Suwanee, GA 30024


Respectfully Submitted by: ___________________________

Richard S. Brown
Executive Director
MVA Scientific Consultants

23 November 2004


"A reagent was chosen, based on information provided by the manufacturer, that would react with substances present in the brown (glucose) patch and in the white (glycerin) patch. The reagent chosen reacts with glycerin and with glucose to form a white precipitate."

Pleased to see some of the money has been well spent.

Very much looking forward to the spellbinding reports of the clinically verifiable double blind scientifically approved protocol studies that will shake the very foundations of science as we currently understand it.

The conference will truly turn out to be as important/more important as finding out:

The earth is not flat.

The earth isn't the center of everything whizzing around out there.

The discovery of the double helix.
http://www.nature.com/genomics/human/watson-crick/index.html

I can hardly contain myself.


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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 12:41 PM
Oh dear,

Say it ain't so.

Anyone need supplies going cheap...slightly used!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lifewave-Energy-Patch-Distrubutor-Supplies_W0QQitemZ5610693632QQcategoryZ47103QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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jack
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 02:00 PM
It seems cranky media guy gave these to his WIFE to test??? They work if you are actually doing something physical. If you are just laying around in the afternoon and watching soaps--------well of course you will not see any change in energy level----there isn't any energy being expended!!!
Come on now media guy-----have the courage to try them yourself. Are you afraid to find out they work???
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 02:40 PM
jack said:

"It seems cranky media guy gave these to his WIFE to test??? They work if you are actually doing something physical. If you are just laying around in the afternoon and watching soaps--------well of course you will not see any change in energy level----there isn't any energy being expended!!!
Come on now media guy-----have the courage to try them yourself. Are you afraid to find out they work???"

And on what do you base your ridiculous assumption that my wife lies around, watching soap operas? As a matter of fact, if anything, she is more active than I am, so your "point" is completely wrong.

Seriously, have you LifeWave supporters not even begun to realize yet that you're making more and more absurd excuses for your voodoo patches? "Try them!" you say. When I tell you that my wife tried them and they did precisely nothing, you have to pull a rationalization out of your ass.

Here's the bottom line: They were tried and they failed. They do not work as advertised, they CANNOT work as advertised and you can't accept that simple truth.

Eventually, one or both of these two things will happen:

1. The government will do its job and shut this fraud down.
2 The "inventor" of these fake patches will disappear with the money you and others have invested in them.

That's how it's going to go down and it won't be pretty. All your rationalizing won't change that one bit.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 03:45 PM
JACK clearly demonstrates the most serious side effect of the patches to date. AMNESIA!

No matter how may times this point is made, the distributors say "Why don't you try it? What are you afraid off?"

Once again:

If I, or Cranky Media Guy did try the patches and felt extra strong within minutes, we CANNOT attribute the feeling to the patches. Without proper testing (not the sham trials about to be hoisted onto believers at the CON-ference in Las Vegas) no one can say definitively that the patches do anything, good or bad...period.

And for our LifeWavers, you might want to make a note of this page # so that you can look back at the explanation tomorrow when you "forget" it.


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Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 04:49 PM
Jack, you are wasting your time with guys like Cranky media guy. They don't even believe that chiropractors or acupuncturists can be a viable treatment modality in the 2000's. I'm not sure what rock they crawl out from under from day to day??

For those of you who know anything about BMR - you will not "feel" your BMR go up. The patches are balancing your bodies energy and providing fat as a source of energy when it is required. Fat is not the prefered energy for our bodies to burn. When someone is not active, they likely will not notice anything from the patches as they are using the CHO (sugar) that is floating around in the bloodstream. If you perform vigorous, high intensity exercise over a long duration you will definetely notice the difference with the patches on.

Cranky Media Guy said "Here's the bottom line: They were tried and they failed. They do not work as advertised, they CANNOT work as advertised and you can't accept that simple truth."

Try them yourself Cranky media guy!! They do work as advertised, they work as advertised, and I accept this as the truth. The studies will reveal this and be published. Naturopathy and Homeopathy never get accepted as real science and studies are never published in peer reviewed journals. Does this mean they are a scam??

Lifewave offers a money back guarantee. Why not try a month supply for yourself and feel the difference. Nobody will make any money from you and you don't even have to admit it to us when they do work!! LOL

Your wife trying them has nothing to do with you. My guess is she tried them for one or two days. Am I right? Most people will need to wear them for at least one week in order for their body to be balanced and have the patches do their thing. I agree that the Lifewave site is misleading - Only 10% of people experience the dramatic lifewave effect when wearing them for the first time. 15% will feel nothing as they are either dehydrated, toxic individuals, have mineral deficiency, have improper patch placement, or
have reversed polarity because of neck injury.

Try them already!!! Its been so long since we've been waiting that I feel like I have amnesia!!

Why won't you try them???

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 06:13 PM
Nanoman,

Thank you for demonstrating the amnesia effect of the patches. My posting is just before yours yet you forgot that:

Once again:

If I, or Cranky Media Guy did try the patches and felt extra strong within minutes, we CANNOT attribute the feeling to the patches. Without proper testing (not the sham trials about to be hoisted onto believers at the CON-ference in Las Vegas) no one can say definitively that the patches do anything, good or bad...period.


GROAN...............


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Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 06:25 PM
EDHUK,

I realize your post is before mine. I don't feel you have answered the question. Why don't you try the patches?

After you wear the patches for a month and feel good all the time, have no pain in your body, sleep well at night, stop snoring, lose weight, and put muscle on your body and still feel like
you "CANNOT attribute the feeling to the patches" then just get your money back. Its quite simple.

The studies are from very highly respected and credible scientists. So what make them sham trials??? Is this similar to the sham treatment modalities of chiropractors, acumpuncturists, Naturopaths?? I think I once again see your point.

Do you suffer from narrowminded analism?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 07:11 PM
Nanoman,

I'm sorry you seem incapable of grasping this fundamental point. A point that guides scientific research worldwide.

If I try the patches for a day, for a week, for a month, any result CANNOT be conclusively attributed to the patch. What is so difficult for you to comprehend this basic point?
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 08:06 PM
I completely comprehend your point. I don't think you comprehend my point. You are quick to ridicule any evidence that exists about the patches.

1. Studies are being conducted by highly respected scientists and some have already been submitted for peer review.

2. No matter what studies come out, people like you will ridicule and deny all results. This is very similar to studies and treatment modalities that are not conventional getting ridiculed. Acupuncture or Chiropractors for example have never been scientifically proven as per your standards. (they are the ones who are located on every city block and they also drive the nice cars 😊) Lifewave will continue to be around just like Acupuncture and Naturopathy. I really don't care if you don't think it works.

3) Thousands of people (including many notable professional athletes, hall of famers, doctors, etc) have tried the patches and have experienced the lifewave effect.

Try them for yourself!!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 08:14 PM
Nanoman,

As per previous postings your formulaic arguments haven't changed, presumably because of the amnesia effect.

At least one person has seen the light...

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Nanoman
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 09:32 PM
My arguments don't change because I am providing useful information for everyone to consider.

What does ebay have to do with anything??

You are digging really deep now!!

Keep digging and then maybe you can hide forever!!
hcmomof4
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 | 09:49 PM
"Naturopathy and Homeopathy never get accepted as real science and studies are never published in peer reviewed journals. Does this mean they are a scam??"

Ummmm... Nanoman, why would you set yourself up by asking this question here?

I am trying ever so hard to avoid making any judgements about the patches until the long (long, long, long) awaited results of the studies conducted by the highly respected scientists have made it into the peer review journals. But promising that it's about to happen isn't quite the same...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 01:13 AM
Nanoman said:

"Try them yourself Cranky media guy!! They do work as advertised, they work as advertised, and I accept this as the truth. The studies will reveal this and be published. Naturopathy and Homeopathy never get accepted as real science and studies are never published in peer reviewed journals. Does this mean they are a scam??"

The short answer is yes, they are a scam. Know why they aren't published in peer-reviewed journals? Because they aren't science! When they have been tested properly, they have failed. Sorry, but that's the truth. For the record, there have been other things in the past that scientists doubted; when they were proved to work, they were then accepted. Funny how that works, huh?

I was sent a pair of LifeWave patches. My wife volunteered to test them. They didn't do anything. Now, all of a sudden, they don't work on women...or whatever lame excuse you are attempting. If I had tried them and they didn't work, it would be my "bad vibes" or something else.

This scam WILL collapse eventually. I'm just wondering if you'll have the good grace to admit you were taken when it does or if you will just slink away, ashamed to face us.

By the way, I have some "laundry balls" to sell you. They change the molecular structure of water, eliminating the need for soap or detergent. Hey, they were advertised on the Internet and those crazy mainstream "scientists" said they couldn't possibly work. What more proof of their efficacy could you need? Oh, they were a multi-level marketing deal, too.
xaverlex
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 06:18 AM
"Naturopathy and Homeopathy never get accepted as real science and studies are never published in peer reviewed journals."

I beg to differ on the second point. A search of Pubmed(the national library of medicine's database) provides 1090 articles discussing homeopathy and 584 discussing Naturopathy. Perhaps the studies may have shown placebo effects or results that were impossible to repeat, but both of those areas have atleast been subjected to studies and peer review. A search for lifewave provides 0 studies.

"(they are the ones who are located on every city block and they also drive the nice cars)"

Here we call those people "used car salesmen". (Incidentally, I usually get my mechanic to look over a used car before I buy it too.)
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 01:57 PM
When government regulatory agencies finally get around to dealing with Lifewave, I wonder what, if any, legal liability will be placed on Nanoman, Jack and all the other distributors? After all, they are promoting it and making fanastic claims too. Shouldn't they be as legally responsible for misleading the public as Lifewave is?
Datnig
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 05:05 PM
Just curious if any of you guys have a curriculum vitae for Bill Gates. A fishing buddy of mine told me he didnt even finish college and it made me sick to my stomach. I cant believe that I would ever purchase a product from a college dropout. I would have thought that he would have gone to school for years to be able to create his product. Geez, I feel like I have been scammed.
Joe
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 05:36 PM
I would buy these Lifewave patches if there were studies backing up their claims. I'm sure I bought Windows 98 (although it wasn't the best operating sytem) after it had been tested to make sure it worked. If it didn't work, I don't think Bill Gates would have told me my computer tower wasn't in the right corner of the room or that I needed to wait 1-2 weeks before it starts working.

If there were studies (good ones) backing up the Lifewavers' claims, then I don't think the curriculum vitae wouldn't be that necessary since the studies would establish the credibility.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 05:48 PM
Datnig said:

"Just curious if any of you guys have a curriculum vitae for Bill Gates. A fishing buddy of mine told me he didnt even finish college and it made me sick to my stomach. I cant believe that I would ever purchase a product from a college dropout. I would have thought that he would have gone to school for years to be able to create his product. Geez, I feel like I have been scammed."

Whenever I go into a debate, I try to always assume that my "opponent(s)" are of at least average intelligence. I would like to believe that of you as well, Datnig. Unfortunately, your "point" here argues against that assumption.

What, may I ask, has Bill Gates (or Microsoft) invented that defies the known laws of physics? Bill Gates has been hugely successful, arguably by building on top of what people before him accomplished, but in any case, he has brought NOTHING to the marketplace that breaks the laws of science. The same cannot be said about the LifeWave "inventor(s)." This is such a simple point that you almost HAVE to be deliberately ignoring it.

It is theoretically possible for a garage inventor to come up with a working model of a computer which operates faster than any one has ever done before. So far as we know, it is NOT possible for the same inventor to build a time machine. Bill Gates did the equivalent of the former; David Schmidt is claiming to have done the equivalent of the latter. If he, as you claim to believe, really has done this, there isn't a scientist worth the name anywhere who doesn't want to learn about it, nor should he not be awarded every accolade available, including the Nobel Prize.

Rather than run to CNN with the proof of his fabulous breakthrough and claim the praise he is due for this unprecendented discovery, David Schmidt chooses to sell his patches via multi-level marketing, the historically preferred business model for scam artists. This doesn't strike you as, uh, "interesting?"
Joe
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 05:49 PM
Correction:

If there were studies (good ones) backing up the Lifewavers' claims, then I don't think the curriculum vitae would be that necessary since the studies would establish the credibility.


To WWSN1:

Keep doing what you are doing. I've enjoyed being informed of different scams over the past few years through the WWSN newsletter. I've felt that you have been objective in evaluting these products and demanding necessary answers that most companies would be willing to give to establish their credibility. I also think that there are good people left out there, like you, that don't need a hidden agenda to help people. Too bad you can't write this off as charity on your taxes because you are making great contributions. (Kinda corny line there, but I'm an accountant, so that is all I have.)
datnig
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 06:09 PM
Well said broseph, Im not a big computer guy, but like you I bought windows too, tried it out and enjoyed the results I got when I actually used it. If I didnt like the results I would have returned it and got my money back. no harm no foul. Too quote Tommy Callahan(edited to approve forum requirements) " I can take a crap in a box and mark it guaranteed, but all ive sold you is a guaranteed piece of crap." The reality is that we live in a world where you can find credible people to argue for or against the legitimacy of any product(obviously for a fee in most cases, and regardless of whether they have actually used the product.) The fact of the matter is that if you have not personally used the product you are not it any position to criticize it. Plain and simple.

I would advise all the Lifewavers out there to stop distributing the product and start selling products like cigarettes or alcohol (both FDA approved, with certain age requirements of course) so u can get the WWSN off your back. You could probably make a whole lot more money and contribute too many more illnesses (which Im sure the medical industry will appreciate because its a great revenue booster) and deaths (population contol at its finest). That way you wont have to worry about being called a scam or a fraud and best of all your product wont be mentioned on any of these cool websites.
datnig
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 | 06:22 PM
Hey Cranky Media Guy, unlike you, whenever I enter a debate with an opponet(s) I like to make sure that the other person(s) cant whoop my ass, cause if said debate reaches its boiling point,and they can, than I am in serious trouble. Thats why I love these forums, its kinda like being in the Klan, you get to wear a mask and say whatever you like and best of all you dont have to prove to anyone your education level. But let us be honest here, if we were all as intelligent as we think we are, then we would probably be doing something more constructive than arguing over Lifewave
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