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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Lissa
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 | 07:59 AM
Thankyou so much for finding the Dr Holt information, that was a real bonus and I appreciate it so much. Just thought I would post his direct site link here also since this may be important for alot of people.

http://www.holtclinic.com/index.html

If the stupid government and selfish medical associations had not tried to keep this all quiet, you just never know if my brother may have been helped by this treatment. So to anyone with cancer out there I recommend you investigate it.

Lissa
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 | 09:02 AM
Lissa in Australia

Thank you for the Holt Clinic link. I can understand your level of frustration about this treatment and its availability. You will always have that thought that just maybe your brother could have been saved.

If you want to discuss the Holt treatment for cancer may I suggest you start a new thread on the Hoax Forum. That's not to suggest it is a hoax but it's a way to continue the discussion worldwide. If you need help starting a new thread I would be happy to.

From time to time the LifeWave hoax thread becomes a little side tracked by discussions of other, worthy, subjects.

We try to keep this thread on the topic of the self proclaimed "Dr." David Schmidt and his claim to have "invented" a totally new technology.

A technology he sells through Multi Level Marketing. A technology he chooses not to test by accepted scientific methods because it would be "too expensive" for his company.

Let me know if you would like a new thread started about the Holt treatment.

Best wishes,
Dave
Lissa
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 | 04:48 PM
Hello,

I have spoken to my sponsor and yes the information regarding the hospital studies and funding came from David at the Gold Coast Conference. I am seeing him this afternoon and he said he would fill me in on the exact details so I will keep you posted.

Lissa
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 | 05:35 PM
Lissa in Australia

Thanks Lissa. That information is truly amazing and it's a first for LifeWave.

In the US Schmidt has made promise after promise at conference after conference (all documented here in earlier posts) about studies being conducted and about to be published soon. Then a year goes by, and another, and another without anything being published.

Hopefully it's not just a tactic that he didn't expect anyone to follow up on but I guess only time will give us that answer.

Thank you for hanging in with us.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 | 10:51 AM
Lissa,

To help in your investigation, and in bringing Lifewave patches to the attention of doctors and autism support groups so that they can investigate the patches, I'll email to you (and anyone else who requests) a copy of the provisional patent application by "Dr. David Schmidt" where he lays out in detail his ideas about how the patches work, namely, by creating counter-rotating swirling energy vortices around the body. Just drop me an email at lifewavedocuments at yahoo.com.

- Joel
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 | 11:47 AM
Lissa in Australia,

Thoughts on Glutathione.

This study about Glutathine is very interesting but is does pose some questions.

http://ajpgi.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/259/4/G524

Basically they measured plasma levels of GSH after giving dietary GSH and found a substantial increase.

However, the study further states:

"Administration of the amino acid precursors of GSH had little or no effect on plasma GSH values, indicating that GSH catabolism and resynthesis do not account for the increased GSH concentration seen. Inhibition of GSH synthesis and degradation by L-buthionine-[S,R]-sulfoximine and acivicin showed that the increased plasma GSH came mostly from absorption of intact GSH instead of from its metabolism."

Why is this statement of any importance when considering "Dr." David Schmidt's claims that a non-transdermal patch can increase the levels of glutathione in the body by 300%?

Because the study shows that any increase in GSH levels does NOT COME FROM PROCESSES AT THE CELLULAR LEVEL.

"...indicating that GSH catabolism and resynthesis do not account for the increased GSH concentration seen."

"Dr." Schmidt bases his claims about his patches SOLELY on the assertion that they bring about changes at the cellular level. "Nothing enters the body" is the claim about ALL LifeWave products. Everything occurs at the cellular level.

Take a look at these statements from the LifeWave website:

http://www.lifewave.com/yage_info.asp

"There are other Glutathione supplements on the market, but clinical research shows that common Glutathione pills, powders and drinks can only elevate blood Glutathione levels by little more than 10% in 30 days."

Notice they do not give any source for making this assertion.

"Because LifeWave technology is capable of triggering metabolic changes within the cells, our Glutathione Booster has been clinically shown to elevate your blood Glutathione levels by over a whopping 300% in just 24 hours!"

Notice the lack of verifiable support for this statement.

LifeWave is claiming that the patches bring about "...metabolic changes within the cells..."

This assertion by LifeWave contradicts the research findings in the study I have cited above.

Of course, it would be all too easy for Lifewave to make the comment that research rats were used for the study I cite above. But, aren't research rats used for a whole range of studies?

Food for thought...no pun intended.

Dave
Vale
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 | 01:34 AM
Yes I am a human and so are those around me, though many on earth are inhumane !

All the info on this site is OLD OLD stuff
Look at life-wave sites now:-

in particular Sir Albert Martin Caine (KRO)
of Gidegannup WA :-
who had long term medical treatment for a wound, which got infected, and would not heal before using the patches
Look at the photos pf before and after and his own story
keep an open mind if it's possible for you guys to?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 | 08:09 AM
Vale

"All the info on this site is OLD stuff"

Not quite sure what you mean Vale.

http://www.lifewave.com/yage_info.asp

Are you saying this info is OLD?

Or are you referring to the fact that over the years "Dr." David Schmidt has changed his website frequently and also changed the information about the basics more than once. The information here in earlier posts is therefore OLD because Schmidt, the Cameleon, changes to match his new target audience.

As for your healing wound...it's annectdotal information and I presume you understand the relevance of such info.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 | 12:25 PM
Vale,

Why would you want to buy LifeWave patches when, according to the inventor and the testimonials, the Harmony Chip does so much more. http://www.harmonyunited.com. It takes away pain instantly, cures cancer, fixes your computer, gives your car better gas mileage, and so much more. Plus, for the cost of only 2 boxes of Lifewave patches, the Harmony Chip is guaranteed to last for 10 years.

As you say, keep an open mind . . . but I would add, not too open. A completely open mind is a completely empty mind.

Cheers, Mate.
Lissa
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 02:42 AM
Hi all, just an update on the hospital funding issue I raised earlier. I have spoken to my sponsor and he said "yes, David himself told him at the gold coast conference that lifewave would fund hospital studies. I asked him if that would include autism groups that perhaps wanted to do a clinical trial and he said he is sure it would however david didnt say that, only said about the hospital funding, but my sponsor said he didnt see why it would be any different as long the group had the medical proffession involved. So I am going to go ahead and after my son has been using the patches for one month I will present my own findings with my son to the sunshine coast group and see if we can get a study funded. Again thankyou for your comments both good and not so good, all information either way leads to a better understanding..
NBBSS
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 03:06 AM
I have to wonder how many of the Lifewave customers and/or distributors are women.

The latest (perhaps) claim, put forward at the seminar I attended was that wearing the patches (the y-age ones if I recall correctly) will enhance breast development! But that 'secret' (the secret being the protocols for placing the patches in order to develop bigger 'boobs') would not be expanded upon at that seminar. Instead we were encouraged to come along to the next seminar (the following week) to find out.

As I didn't attend the second seminar (once was more than enough) I have no idea if there are now women out there who are increasing their cup size due to these fantastic little miracles. And perhaps even cheaper than implants.

I'm sorry, but this claim just adds to my distruct (and distaste) of this product.
NBBSS
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 03:08 AM
Oops, of course, it's distrust!
jayessell
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 06:05 AM
If only this forum were searchable, I'd find my comment about 'male enhancement'!

(I think I said I was surprised they had not yet made <i>that</i> claim!)
lissa
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 07:06 AM
I have a list of things that is said that can be treated by the patches, however this is not a lifewave product it was created by someone upline from me. I am not stupid enough to make claims to my freinds about things that 'might' be effected by the patches and I am sure that if lifewave finds out these claims are being made that particular member will be in big trouble, it clearly states when you join up and read the terms of membership that they make no claims other than what the patches are designed for and claim to assist on the packaging. I may be a member of this company, but I totally disagree with the marketing hype crap meetings.. it takes away from any good the patches could do.. its disgusting.. and thankyou for the harmony chip link.. i will be looking into it.

Lissa
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 10:16 AM
Lissa in Australia,

"...thank you for the harmony chip link.. i will be looking into it."

At one point, a while back, I started a new thread to discuss Karma Singh, a Yorkshireman from the UK, and his Harmony Chips that appeared to do almost everything.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/

Discussions on the LifeWave thread were being dominated by information about Karma so a new thread seemed to be in order.

I think you'll find, at the very least, that he's quite a character. Whether or not you'll be sending him your money is for you to decide.

Enjoy,

Dave
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 10:52 AM
Lissa in Australia,
For the sake of completeness I thought it would be a good idea to include a link to another alternative to the Lifewave patches.

This company was started by an ex-LifeWave employee.

See what you think.

http://www.8ight.com/

You may also be getting the feeling that the skeptics on this LifeWave patches thread are not, contrary to popular opinion, just holding our magnifying glass over the LifeWave company. We are more than happy to take a look at other interesting claims.

Over at WWSN, Bob has been doing this for many years and has exposed many scams, and also in contradiction to popular myth, has never been successfully sued for his assertions.

By the way,take a look at the YouTube video on this webpage from the 8ight company and you may recognise the strength test being conducted by the young lady. It's the same strength test used at the LifeWave demonstrations.

http://www.8ight.com/category_s/62.htm

Bob, at WWSN did a nice piece on the inner battle over money at LifeWave and the formation of the new 8ight company by Warren Hanchey.

http://www.worldwidescam.info/whvsrl.htm

Of course, as a busy mom, you may not have time to read all these links but it would help you to see LifeWave in the context of this type of "business" as a whole.

I posted a note on the new 8ight company back in June 2007.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P4220/

Dave
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 | 12:42 PM
Lissa in Australia,

I started a new thread for the 8ight company shortly after the above comments.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/4333/

Enjoy,
Dave
NBBSS
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 07:27 AM
Following an email exchange with the Theraputic Goods Administration here in Australia regarding Lifewave sites claiming 'TGA Approval' or 'TGA registered' I received the following email (unrelated sections deleted):

This advertising material will be assessed in terms of the provisions within the Therapeutic Goods Act 1989 and Regulations, and where breaches
are identified, appropriate action will be taken against the product sponsor/advertiser to ensure future compliance with the legislation.

For Lissa's benefit, the 'claim' that Lifewave patches could 'rectify' (he was careful to avoid the word cure, though the inference was obvious) Autism came not from an iladvised distributor but from 'Michael' the presenter from Melbourne, supposedly a big man in the Aussie Lifewave network.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 09:34 AM
NBBSS

"For Lissa's benefit, the 'claim' that Lifewave patches could 'rectify' (he was careful to avoid the word cure, though the inference was obvious) Autism came not from an iladvised distributor but from 'Michael' the presenter from Melbourne, supposedly a big man in the Aussie Lifewave network."

Mmmmmm

RECTIFY = Remedy

Remedy = "a medicine, application, or treatment that relieves or cures a disease"

Words, smoke and mirrors.

Dave
Jane
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 09:43 AM
I tried the Lifewave patch for several weeks and felt no change. I tried it in all the places suggested and followed the structions very carefully. Others I spoke with who tried it could not tell any difference when using the Patch.

I think the people who sell it, really believe in it. Maybe they feel something. I suspect it to be all in their head, but I do not know for sure. They are very expensive for both the customers and the distributors. I feel that I wasted a tremendous amount of money for something that did not work. The ingredients do not seem to be anything that would make any difference. I would not recommend this product to anyone.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 11:22 AM
Jane in Los Angeles

Careful! The LifeWavers will accuse you of being a skeptic in sheeps clothing!

I have always believed that there are LifeWave users who experience something and LifeWavers just in it for the money, period.

Those who experience something make the cardinal mistake of assuming it MUST be attributable to wearing plastic circles containing glucose (brown) and glycerin (white).

If there were a genuine effect from the patches, David Schmidt would not have stalled on producing bona fide verifiable and repeatable studies.

He would be overjoyed to share such studies and be well on his way to being a Billionaire. Such an "invention", were it real, would bring profound changes to our world.

However, in the harsh light of day, Schmidt is just a simple con-man, a chartlatan.

This week's email from James Randi includes a note from an Australian who did his bit to alert the Australian media to the Peter Popoff TV shows. There are probably the same as the shows here in the US on overnight TV.

The ABC "Mediawatch" program did an expose on the Popoff scam artist. Nothing unusual in that you might think but the fact that James Randi successfully exposed Popoff years ago, and ey here he is stealing money again, shows how hard it is to stop a co-man.

It will take someone or something pretty extraordinary to stop the scam artist Schmidt. Either that or the implosion of the LifeWave company due to bad debts etc.

Jane, thank you for taking the time to post here and essentially admit you were duped. Very few people have the courage to do so leading others to believe the patches must be real.

Dave
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 12:09 PM
Jane in Los Angeles

Even though this is strictly off the topic of LifeWave, it does address the point of how difficult it is to stop a scam.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2553918.htm

The reporter in Australia mentions that the UK banned the Popoff TV commercials 2 years ago. God Save The Queen!

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 | 05:30 PM
Schmidt the cameleon is at it again!

http://www.lifewaveplus.com/lifewave-plus-energyenhancer.asp

Rest assured, David Schmidt, non-scientist with a two year business degree, won't be letting the grass grow under his feet any time soon.

The latest version of his SCAM is the field of HOMEOPATHY.

"LifeWave Plus products are formulated based on the principles of Homeopathy.

Homeopathy works differently than biochemical remedies such as allopathic drugs.

Instead, Homeopathic products work by activating the body
NBBSS
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 | 01:55 AM
The new homeopathy range of medicines (they are using that term!) are quite interesting, but I have to ask... if the patches are so fantastic, and have such wonderful results "with nothing actually entering the body" why has Lifewave found it necessary to produce orally taken products? Surely not an admission that maybe they are not the be all and end all. As well, if the products are so "safe, effective, powerful and simple to use. And ALL with NO side effects" why is it necessary to have the disclaimer at the bottom of the ad which says "Warnings: If symptoms persist or worsen, seek the advice of a physician. If pregnant or nursing, take only on advice of a Healthcare Professional. Keep out of reach of children. Tamper resistant for your protection. Use only if safety seal is intact."

I can understand the need to advise about the tamper resistant cap, but why would these completely safe, effective etc. etc products be a risk to nursing or pregnant mothers?

The frequent comment from Lifewavers is that the whole non-acceptance of their products is a plot/conspiracy by the pharmaceutical companies. It seems Lifewave, then, has decided 'if you can't beat them, join them' and are no producing their own pharmaceutical products.

Credibility = ZERO!

Oh, and I'm still waiting for the announcement of the Lifewave-funded studies. I'd have thought such an offer would have been scooped up instantly by the medical profession, if only to improve their reputation (but of course, that would only be those recalcitrant doctors who don't yet promote the benefits of these little miracles.)

Still sceptical and shy!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 | 11:28 PM
NBBSS
in Australia

LifeWave has never worried about telling the truth in the past so why start now.

More misinformation:

http://autistic-child.info/research_on_life_wave_glutathion.html

"IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT THIMEROSAL (MERCURY)
IN VACCINATIONS CAUSES AUTISTIC SPECTRUM
DISORDER IN CHILDREN!"

Mmmmm Really?

"DETOXIFY YOUR (autistic)CHILD WITH
NON-TRANSDERMAL CHELATION.
DISORDERS WITHOUT NEEDLES, OR DRUGS NATURALLY!"

So, there you have it!

LifeWave speaks and it MUST be true.

Really?

?
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 | 07:17 PM
WHO IS BEHIND http://www.child-autism.info?

Peddling stupid lifewave sugar-and-glycerin patches as a cure for autism is disgusting. But who is behind that website http://www.child-autism.info?

The
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 | 03:04 PM
G'day All,

I was introduced to Lifewave a short while ago, and they are a fantastic company.

In doing some "research" I found this forum, after reading a couple of pages I just had to read the rest, just hit page 200.

I have no idea how some of the skeptic posters can keep going so long and not give up. So much proof and yet you still keep going. I am amazed.

After reading these first 200 pages I just have to read the rest, so many laughs, so many "bang your head against a wall" moments, what choice could I have but to complete it.

Lifewave patches are just unbelievable, their distributors know that they are, the skeptics know it as well. So now everyone agrees they are unbelievable?

Lifewave patches - a scam.

Ian.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 | 07:44 PM
Critter,

Ah, the innocent bystander who just happens to hail from the latest center of the LifeWave scam assault.

A bystander who, at least, has read this thread...kudos. But, that said, a bystander who did not comprehend what they read.

"I have no idea how some of the skeptic posters can keep going so long and not give up."

Really? The reasons are included in this thread.

"So much proof and yet you still keep going. I am amazed."

Ah..."the proof".

Would the bystander please offer ONE piece of verifiable, repeatable and universally accepted "proof" that adheres to the accepted standards of scientific research.

Just ONE.

I am not amazed to read your post. It follows the time honored guidlines from LifeWave 101.

But, you would know that having read the thread.

I guess comprehension was not at the top of your scholarly achievements.

I wait with great anticipation to learn more about how we "skeptics", or seekers of truth, have been wasting our time.

G'day all.

*
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 | 08:07 PM
EDHUK, maybe it's just because I'm eternally optimistic, but that's not how I read Critter's post....

I got the opposite, although fairly sarcastic, feeling from it.
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 | 09:08 PM
I thought the last line gave it away actually.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 | 10:04 PM
Actually, it was this one:

Lifewave patches are just unbelievable, their distributors know that they are, the skeptics know it as well. So now everyone agrees they are unbelievable?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 | 08:23 AM
Critter,

It's not the first time that I have misinterpreted a post and it probably won't be the last!

Now that you have read so many posts you will, no doubt, understand how easy it is to think it's yet another fly-by LifeWaver making a point.

These "bang your head against a wall moments" have obviously had a collective impact on my brain!

I hope you'll keep your ears open for any new "converts" so that you can ask them a few questions about our 2 year business degree "scientific" genius.

Apologies tendered.

Dave
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 | 04:41 PM
No apologies needed.

I have now completed reading all of the 247 pages of this thread, even if the last 50 pages I was tending to skim over them, so I am now aware that Lifewave has hit Australia and my post was a bit out there. I should of read the rest of the thread before posting in that manner but I was pretty cynical by that point.

The pro Lifewave brigade are very environmentally aware, they recycle their rubbish. How many times did they bring up the mobile phone analogy? How many of them were skeptical but have now been shown the light? It must be a script they are given, taught, whatever, as the overall formula remains the same.

I will post my initiation into Lifewave a little later, it will be nothing overly riveting to you, but I found the night entertaining in a frustrating sort of way.

I am glad my 15 year old daughter came to the same conclusion, without my help, though I know she would of been influenced by me. She now has a new saying, "There's a patch for that!".

As for most of my friends - not so good, they believe it, but they also think the patches are far too dear so that will not be buying any.

I have told people of this thread, hopefully they will read it.

Ian.
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 | 04:47 PM
Correction:

As for most of my friends - not so good, they believe it, but they also think the patches are far too dear so _they_ will not be buying any.

Why is it only after you hit submit you see typos, not while in preview?

Ian.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 | 05:35 PM
"Why is it only after you hit submit you see typos, not while in preview?"

Y'know, I think that they have a patch for that. . . 😉
The skeptic
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 | 04:19 AM
Just wondering if some of the distributors out there could let me know truthfully how much money there currently making from lifewave?

Im just about to sign up for bronze purely on the fact that 2 of my karate sensai's belive in the patches and the income potential.

from my own experiece i've found:
* pain patches do work but not much more then panadine.

*Energy patch was a hard call because i already felt energetic at the time and anything else might have been a placebo effect, i did find myself having alot of energy when i combined with a red bull.
Also i noticed an increase in clarity and positive thoughts.

*Sleep patches did seem to work but i usually dont have trouble sleeping. I did have a great sleep and felt immediatly energetic when i woke at 7am... still its a hard call to say the patches worked

I still have skeptisism
Feel free to give me comments on my post

Cheers Levi
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 | 04:51 PM
G'day Levi,

You sound like you have been introduced to Lifewave through the same people I have.
Are you an instructor or a student?

They gave us a seminar one Thursday night instead of training.

I'm very new here, this only being my 4th post, but I suggest you read this thread from the beginning and make your judgement then.
It will take some time, but if you intend to make money from these patches then a bit of research on the negative side is in order.
There was a distributer who gave some figures into the money side, I believe it was around 7% profit, but don't take my word for it.

This thread is very slow these days, I'm not sure if there is an Australian version, I haven't found one yet.
NBBSS
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 | 06:03 PM
G'day Critter and Levi. Glad to see a few other Aussies in this thread.

I too found this thread after attending a Lifewave seminar. I did as I was requested to... I took along my scepticism, but sadly (for them) it worked in my favour and I watched a somewhat entertaining show that did absolutely nothing to convince me the patches work.

Indeed, as the show went on the claims got more and more 'out there', culminating in the claim that they can enlarge a woman's breasts - I can only assume it would work for men too, so be careful where you place the patches. I don't know the 'protocol' for breast enlargement as it was necessary to attend another seminar to find out, and that was one night I wasn't willing to waste.

Yes, Critter, they are amazing, but what I find even more amazing is the fanatical belief these people have, and how 'the patches work', but if you don't get the relief you are looking for then 'maybe things have to get worse before they get better' as was stated at the seminar I attended when one person said they didn't feel any better!

One of the distributors here in Australia now uses the statement 'Healing the world one person at a time'. I found the statement on one of the Lifewave web sites. Could 'healing' actually be a claim??

I still stand by my question - if these patches are so miraculous why has Lifewave found it necessary to go into orally ingested medications?

To Levi I would urge caution - don't go into being a distributor just to make money. Unless you actually believe in the products you'd just be cashing in on people's weaknesses or desperation, a not particularly ethical move. Having said that, almost sounds ideally Lifewave...

I love the way many of these products - Lifewave, the magnets, and some of the other products around, like to use that 'strength test' as proof of the product's powers. Let's see how they'd go if the test was done ten times, with the participant blindfolded so that they couldn't see the placement. If it seemed to work then I might be less sceptical. Bet they wouldn't do it though.

Finally, there's no equivalent Aussie-based thread that I know of, but I like this forum because it just shows that some Aussies are no more gullible than others around the world.

Not Bitten But Still Sceptical.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 | 06:38 PM
One of the nice things about the internet generally, and forums specifically, is that a thread doesn't need to be country-centric, we can share experiences world-wide.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 | 10:49 AM
As hcmomof4 in So. Cal. pointed out, people from all around the world post on this thread.

Many of them have been skeptical also.

They can't quite reconcile the idea that a man who went to a 2 year college to take a business degree (and let's face it a 2 year degree is only a beginning) could somehow, through a series of amazing chance occurrences, end up as the inventor of a technology which, if true, would be the biggest breakthrough in science in a VERY long time.

For those willing to read this thread and THINK about it, the truth is amazingly simple.

David Schmidt (NOT a doctor, or a scientist) is a simple CON-MAN. He is a LIER and a CHEAT. He has connected with various people in recent years, sucked them dry of their insight and knowledge, and then dumped them as he makes "friends" with the next person who is going to help him make more money.

And, let's make no mistake about it, this is about the MONEY. It always has been.

It's NOT about helping people become healthy. It's not about curing autism. It's about the MONEY.

So, welcome to our Australian posters and I hope you will post here freely in order to give your fellow Australians the information they will need to challenge the outrageous claims made by this American huckster.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 | 06:17 PM
Bob/WWSN,

Thanks for the link to the "Baloney Detector." One of the logical fallacies listed on that page is the fallacy of:

<i>Post hoc, ergo propter hoc </i>- "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect.

This is the fallacy that virtually every LifeWave believer has fallen prey to. "I put on Lifewave patches then I felt less pain (or I did more reps, or I recovered from my cold, or whatever); therefore, the Lifewave patches were the cause."
Critter
in the Land of Oz.
 Member
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 | 08:05 PM
I was looking through all the hits on Google AU with Lifewave and was dismayed as I could only find very few skeptical about the patches, hence the comment about finding an Oz forum about them.

I was hoping for more Lifewave Oz skeptics, hiding in a little known forum, somewhere, oh well.

I'm sure the number of pro Lifewave web sites, in Oz, has multiplied since I last looked, which only seemed a couple of weeks ago - money talks.

Ian.
Freddy the Checker
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 | 05:37 AM
X why do you use such bad grammar? Are you embarrassed?

You wrote:
"Well Joe, that's interesting, when will your report be out on the new rocket fuel your developing."

For your edification - it's supposed to be "you're developing" NOT "your developing" say it aloud... you are really saying "you are developing". So 'you are' gets abbreviated to "you're". Got it?

Good grief! Why can't people use correct English any more? Or rather - why can't they check their work before submitting?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 | 07:03 AM
Freddy

Agreed, but we've been there and done that...to death.

Meanwhile, back in Aussie land, LifeWave is currently targeting people who are having a hard time. Australia has been hit hard by the worldwide recession. The opportunity to make money is hard to resist even if the sales pitch sounds a bit dodgy.

Enter LifeWave with promises of riches while helping people "one person at a time".

BTW, CRITTER, if you Google "LifeWave HOAX" or "LifeWave SCAM", you'll get plenty of returns.

As a general rule I use this technique when checking out any "too good to be true" proposition.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 | 11:42 AM
EDHUK,

It's too bad that when you Google "LifeWave HOAX" or "LifeWave SCAM", you get so many hits from LifeWave distributor sites that include text such as, "Is LifeWave a hoax [or scam]?" then going on to say what a genuine miracle the patches are.

It seems to me that LifeWave is deliberately "Google bombing" by telling distributors to put such language on their sites so that when people who are trying to do their due diligence by searching for sites debunking the Lifewave scam such as this forum, they instead get directed to Lifewave distributor sites.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 | 10:41 PM
Yay, I love Aussies! I'm going to start reading this thread with an Australian accent in my head.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 | 04:17 PM
Joel,

We have always known that LifeWave reads this HOAX forum thread on a regular basis.

How strange that in all this time David Schmidt (not a doctor or scientist) has not sued this site for deformation of character.

That's because he couldn't win a court case. In calling him a lier, a cheat and a scam artist we are only stating the truth.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 | 06:22 PM
EDHUK,

I don't normally point out typos, but your "deformation of character" was an amusing malapropism. The legal cause of action is "defamation."

As I've said before, I would almost welcome David Schmidt suing me for defamation. It would be great fun to depose Schmidt, Haltiwanger, and others under oath, and to obtain discovery of documents from Lifewave, with the deposition transcripts and most pertinent documents becoming public record for all the world to see. Schmidt knows that those deposition transcripts and documents would bring LifeWave crashing down. He knows it would be the end of his business.

BTW, Schmidt cannot legally sue the Museum of Hoaxes. Federal law provides complete immunity to operators of online forums such as this one, in order to help ensure the continued vitality of places like this in which people are free to post information and express opinions.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 | 07:04 PM
Those deposition transcripts and documents would probably also give numerous LifeWave distributors the ammunition they would need to sue Schmidt for fraud and request punitive damages.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 | 07:56 PM
Joel,

Ooops,

I guess it was unwise to post so soon after surgery. Anesthesia does make you do funny things!

Dave
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 | 11:07 PM
Oh, EDHUK, good luck with your recovery.
Purely Simple
Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 | 01:06 PM
Greetings. I have just recently been approached by an individual regarding the Lifewave patches. This individual has a belief in the product which as observed, can be classified as "religious fervor"

In fact, it is quite annoying, as I cannot have an intelligent conversation with her, regardless of topic, as the conversation eventually degrades to the Lifewave product, blah, blah...ad nauseam.

To date, has anyone actually taken a patch apart to see what is inside, if anything? Are there any chemicals present? Are there any substances at all? Is it just plastic and vinyl with a little glue/adhesive?

What is the final irrefutable conclusion?

I have noticed that the people that buy into these "Lifewave" (Monavie, Goji, Noni, Cynergenics(?), and others) products are somewhat desperate, and are from the blue-collar working class (the main target of all MLM companies). MLM companies are usually formed by seasoned ex-MLM execs from the white-collar elite class. Interesting pattern, yes?

I find it incredible that this topic/thread has persisted for so long.

Any comments or retorts are welcome.
Sincerely, ARG
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 | 03:37 PM
Purely Simple in California.

The contents of the patches has always been known.

When David Schmidt used a company to verify that the patches were NON-transdermal he had to identify the contents so that they could set up a test.

He described a brown patch (glucose) and white patch (glycerin). There has always been talk of an organic "substrate" which gives the whole idea the woo woo factor.

Here is the LifeWave, current, pared down version of the MVA study:

http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Abstracts/Abstract005-MVAScientificConsultants.pdf

The original study had much more info and pictures all designed to reinforce the notion that this "invention" was based on "science". Heck, the company was even called MVA Scientific Consultants, so it MUST be real science, right?

This thread contains many posts from people who have wanted to look at the contents etc. One poster was convinced that the patches reduced in thickness over time showing that the glucose and glycerin somehow evaporated.

This "evaporation", if true, could only be from the back of the patches as LifeWave continues to assert the surface next to your body is non-transdermal.

You will also notice on this thread that any discussion about the construction and design of the patches unwittingly helps infer a sense of "science", a freebie if you will for our con-man.

Nonetheless, bit by bit, people around the world are beginning to wake up to the reality of the SCAM.

Thank goodness!

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 | 10:44 AM
<b>NEW LIFEWAVE "STUDY" BY "DR." SHERRY BLAKE-GREENBERG
- PART 1</b>

Oh boy, we have a new Lifewave study that proves the power of the phony "Dr." Schmidt's patches. Let's take a close look at this study and have some fun, shall we?

<i>GLUTATHIONE STUDY FINDS INCREDIBLE ORGAN DETOXIFICATION RESULTS.
April 29, 2009.
Principal investigator Dr. Sherry Blake-Greenberg found that within a month of use, the Glutathione patch significantly removed toxins from the body, producing improvement in all eight organs of the body studied.
Dr. Blake-Greenberg of Health Integration Therapy in Palos Verde Estates, CA, tested the patch on a sample size of 30 subjects. Over a period of four weeks, ten subjects wore the patch every day, while the other 20 wore the patch for five days a week. Both study groups experienced measurable improvements in organ function,
For all the subjects, Dr. Blake-Greenberg tested eight digestive and endocrine system organs and glands before, during and after the study, evaluating the results using an Electro Interstitial Scanning (EIS) system. The EIS measures and interprets resistance to the flow of electric current through fluid between the body's cells. Dr. Greenberg found that after wearing the Glutathione patch, subjects achieved an impressive reduction in toxins in their organs.</i>
http://lifewavetraining.com/news/?p=142

<b>Was this study blind? No. Was it double blind? No. Was there a control group? No. Was it unbiased? No, Lifewave calls Sherry Blake-Greenberg one of its "leaders." </b> But this is what Lifewave touts as a "formal double blind placebo controlled study" by Blake-Greenberg. http://www.examiner.com/x-10040-San-Diego-Alternative-Medicine-Examiner~y2009m5d7-LifeWaveNeedleless-Acupuncture Well . . . except for the "formal" part, and the "double blind" part, and the "placebo controlled" part, yeah, it's a formal double blind placebo controlled study.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 | 10:45 AM
<b>NEW LIFEWAVE "STUDY" BY "DR." SHERRY BLAKE-GREENBERG
- PART 2</b>

THE EIS GIZZMO

Well then, just how did Blake-Greenberg measure the "reduction in toxins in [the subjects'] organs"? She used the Electro Interstitial Scanning (EIS) system. This device apparently has six electrodes that you hook up: two on the head, and one on each hand and each foot. The device applies 1.28 VDC (http://www.drcelltox.com/scanners.asp ), which is the equivalent of about one AA battery, across those 6 body points and measures the electrical resistance of the body between those points, and then amazingly diagnoses hundreds of conditions within the body based upon that measurement. http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/eis/eis.shtml
Or, according to Dr. Blake-Edwards herself, the EIS is "a French devices that uses electrodes attached to the forehead and plates for the hands and feet to analyze the functioning of the organs." http://www.easyreader.info/peninsulapeople/tearsheets/0109/Pages17-24.pdf The device "is not legal to market in interstate commerce in the United States." http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/eis/eis.shtml

According to Anthony Speroni of LD Technology of Sarasota, Florida which manufactures the device, the EIS and its system "are not designed to and do not diagnose, prevent, treat, cure, mitigate, or prevent anything (including, but not limited to, diseases, ailments, disorders, and medical conditions)." http://www.dranthonysperoni.com/EIS/downloads/EIS_Intake_Form.pdf Indeed, the official brochure for the device gives this disclaimer: "This device is not intended to be used for diagnosis." http://www.ldteck.com/ > download the brochure > file EIS2.pdf.
Gosh, and here Blake-Edwards is using the EIS to diagnose the health of 8 different organs - exactly what the manufacturer says the EIS should not be used for.

The Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics, which is the "Gold Standard" for new drug review within the medical community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Medical_Letter_on_Drugs_and_Therapeutics) advises doctors to tell their patients that devices used for electroacupuncture and electro interstitial scanning "lack a scientifically plausible rationale and should be regarded as bogus." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroacupuncture

So it looks like the EIS, on which Lifewave's newest "study" depends completely, is yet another completely quack and completely bogus electro-gizmo whiz-bang woo-woo device. But hey, it sure has some cool flashing LEDs, huh?

You can see this lady talk about her Lifewave "study" at http://www.electromagnetichealth.com/dr-sherry-greenberg-explains-lifewave-research-results/ Too bad she completely ignores how this bogus electro-gizmo actually gathers all that information from only one AA battery's worth of DC (with the DC measuring only static resistance between the body points and not even measuring any reactive component) applied across 6 points on the body. The video is pretty funny. She mentions that she "snuck in" to the U.S. some electro-gizmo devices from Russia that she uses on people in her practice.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 | 10:47 AM
<b>NEW LIFEWAVE "STUDY" BY "DR." SHERRY BLAKE-GREENBERG
- PART 3</b>

WHO IS "DR." SHERRY BLAKE-GREENBERG?

So who is this latest Lifewave researcher who doesn't know a thing about how to conduct a valid study?

Dr. Sherry Blake-Greenberg's practice is "far from conventional." http://www.easyreader.info/peninsulapeople/tearsheets/0109/Pages9-16.pdf. Her practice "transcends common modalities of medicine." She "retrain[s] the body's information carrying-systems." Ibid. According to her, "It all comes down to, what frequency do you want to live on."
http://www.easyreader.info/peninsulapeople/tearsheets/0109/Pages17-24.pdf
She sounds like a perfect fit for LifeWave, doesn't she?

Well, at least Dr. Sherry Blake-Greenberg, unlike "Dr." David Schmidt, is a real doctor, right?

Well . . . maybe not. According to the California Medical Board physician look-up page at http://www.medbd.ca.gov/lookup.html, there's no such person licensed to practice medicine in California. OK, so the "Dr." part must come from the "doctorate" that she claims that she received from the British Institute of Homeopathy (BIH), http://www.theqxci.com/practbios.html , which is an on-line correspondence school (http://www.bihusa.com/ and http://www.britinsthom.com/ ) offering courses in subjects such as Living Flower Essences and Advanced Aromatherapy (http://www.bihusa.com/course_listing.html).

Well . . . maybe not. I wrote to BIH and inquired about what degrees Blake-Greenberg had received from them. They had never heard of her, and suggested that maybe she had attended BIH using a different name, or at a different office (I sent my email to the London office, and receive the reply from the U.S. office). Her CV posted at http://www.tlcta.com/greenberg.pdf states that she received a "homeopathic medical doctor" in 1993 from "Hahnemann Coooege of Homeopathy," whatever a "Coooege" is. No mention of BIH on her C.V. Assuming that in her bio she meant to write "Hahnemann College of Homeopathy," the website for that fine institution of higher learning apparently is http://www.hahnemanncollege.com with a telephone number of 510-232-2079 according to http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/hahnemann_college.html. But there's no Hahnemann College at that website, and there's no answer at that phone number. According to http://www.yellowbot.com/frances-general-gardening-richmond-ca.html, that phone number now belongs to Frances General Gardening service in San Francisco. So you have to wonder where "Dr." Blake-Greenberg gets the "Dr." part from: from an on-line correspondence school that never heard of her, or from a "coooedge" that no longer exists and whose phone number is now a gardening service?
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 | 10:48 AM
<b>NEW LIFEWAVE "STUDY" BY "DR." SHERRY BLAKE-GREENBERG
- PART 4</b>

But even if she's not a real doctor, and even she got her supposed doctorate by taking on-line courses like Advanced Aromatherapy from someplace that hasn't heard of her or someplace that no longer exists, and even if she doesn't know that studies should be double-blind and placebo controlled, Hey, at least she's brilliant, right? According to Dr. Blake-Greenberg, "The patch boosts the antioxidant production at the cellular level, which increases cell energy to push out toxins from the organs." I mean, who else but somebody who is absolutely brilliant could make that diagnosis merely by hooking up a AA battery to 6 points on the body using a machine that its manufacturer says "[is] not designed to and does not diagnose . . . anything," and interpreting the results? Brilliant! There must be <i>many</i> academic papers published by this brilliant "doctor" available on the internet, and she must have received many legitimate medical and scientific awards, right? Well . . . not so much. You can hardly find any mention of her on the web as having actually done anything.

Well, at least she has a thriving practice, right? Well . . . maybe not so much. It seems that she previously had a website at http://www.hitdn.com (http://www.theqxci.com/practbios.html ), but that domain is currently "for sale."
She also previously had a website at http://www.healthintegrationtherapy.com , (http://www.gonelocal.com/?owner=129 ) but that domain "does not exist or is no longer available." Does she even have a current website?

David Schmidt claims that "the results of this study show that when you wear the Glutathione patch every single day, <i>all</i> organs in the body will improve!" http://lifewavetraining.com/news/?p=142 (italics added). I KNEW the penis enlargement claims were coming soon! And "Dr." David and "Dr." Sherry determined all that simply by passing 1.28 VDC through the body. Truly amazing, isn't it, folks?

In any event, Lifewave promises that Dr. Homer Nazeran of UTEP is writing up Blake-Greenberg's study "as a scientific paper" that will be "officially published." http://lifewavetraining.com/news/?p=142. Oh dear, isn't that the same Homer Nazeran who collaborates on papers with Steven Haltiwanger's wife Emily Haltiwanger and who, according to a LifeWave affiliate, was denied tenure at UTEP due to questions surrounding his involvement with LifeWave? http://www.worldwidescam.info/inresponse.htm . If I could offer some friendly advise to the good Dr. Nazeran: For the sake of your academic career, DON'T DO IT!

One more piece of information about "Dr." Blake-Greenberg:

<i>"See that tower up there," said Blake-Greenberg, pointing to a wood-covered device on an upper shelf? The object protects her office - and others within a 60 meter radius - from electromagnetic disturbances.</i> http://www.easyreader.info/peninsulapeople/tearsheets/0109/Pages17-24.pdf

She doesn't know that she could save money by simply wearing an aluminum foil hat instead.

Geez, where does Lifewave find these people?

Personally, I believe it all comes down to: What planet do you want to live on?
br d
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 | 11:50 AM
*Applause*
Great writing and great research Joel. So another 'scientific' study of Lifewave leaves something to be desired. Shock.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 | 01:55 PM
Lissa in Australia,

Hi Lissa,

Are you making any progress in your attempt to arrange the very first genuine research study of the patches in relation to autism?

Cheers,
David

ps

Joel,
As usual sterling work!

And yet, and yet...there will still be those who believe the "study" word for word.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 | 12:54 AM
Here is Lifewave's written claim that the patches create bigger, firmer breasts for women.

<i>". . . ladies where having good results for improving firmness and breast size by using the Lifewave patches.

Then again Michael Georgiou mentioned it again at a meeting I attended in February. . . .

I have noticed on the Current Affair programs, ladies are spending tens of thousands of dollars on cosmetic improvements and implants. Look at our market potential when you can offer your clients an alternative by using the Lifewave patches. " </i>

http://lifewavesouthwest.com/
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