The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:30 PM
A little dip into the thread past posts:

"Scott Miles
in Hawaii Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 | 01:04 PM
We athletes too stupid to know what work.

Have you guys ever tried the patches?

I don't know about making money with the company but they work well on me. What would pocess a person to spend so much time posting negative things about a product like this? I like the fact that David Schmidt doesn't have the schooling.
Scott"

" Travis
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 | 11:07 AM
It's not a placebo. A friend of mine participated in a demonstration and he thought he had the patch, but actually the polarity was backward, which made him really weak instead of strong. He thought it would make him stronger, but it made him weaker. Then they switched to polarity and he was able to lift more weight than he did without the patch or especially with th e patch polarization backward. These things really do work."

"Mr T
in Australia, Victoria Melbourne
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 | 06:51 PM
Hi
Just heard of this product.
There is a DVD called "What the bleep do we know" watch it.We only use 8% of our brain capacity and it doesn't matter if the product works or not if you are using your 8% towards discrediting products rather than living whilst the clients of lifewave products seem to be making the most of there lives indicates you do not have much of a life and might need to try the product on your brain to see if it really works."

Precious stuff!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:37 PM
Diane,
Before you leave us, I don't think we gave you this link.

You really shouldn't waste time with David Schmidt and LifeWave.
Go to the company set up by a disgruntled ex LifeWave management person.

His product is sooooo much better than cheap tacky patches.

Enjoy and, don't forget, all this stuff is REAL you know.

http://www.8ight.com/

Regards,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:59 PM
Diane, just one more friend of ours.

Karma Singh from the UK. His website doesn't appear to push his personal information any more so look at his website first:
http://www.karmasingh.com/

Then look at the Harmony Chip. It's also REAL, of course.

http://www.harmonyunited.com/start.html?host=hu&lang_id=gb

Please, let's be clear about this. David Schmidt might have his place in the big picture.

Warren Hanchey at 8ight may also have his place.

But, Karma Singh, now there's a REAL miracle worker.

Make sure you read about how to cure cancer:

"Cancer is a completely natural and harmless phenomenon; it is your body's way of temporarily dealing with a much greater problem. Remove the real problem and the cancer will no longer be required and will naturally disappear."
http://www.cancer-so-what.com/

Diane,

Are you beginning to get the slightest idea of WHY so many SKEPTICS who post here are just a tadd JADED about all these SCAMS with their outrageous claims.

Dave
Joan Malick
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 | 09:51 AM
Sounds like a great product. How is it going for you so far?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 | 03:01 PM
Joan Malick in LA (Home of LifeWave)

What are you talking about Joan?

Dave
Joan Malick
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 | 03:46 PM
Oh so sorry Dave. I apologize, I was trying to post on two different forums and got mixed up. Please ignore the comment. 😊
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 | 05:54 PM
The internet is full of misinformation:

"...it has been proven that thimerosal (mercury)
in vaccinations causes autistic spectrum
disorder in children!"

http://autistic-child.info/

When you are selling a "treatment", giving misinformation comes easy.

And yet:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-autism-vaccines-13-feb13,0,4833824.story

This is just an example.

LifeWave has for years spewed out a litany of lies and misinformation but written in a matter-of-fact style that is impressive to some.

"Wow, sounds complicated so it must be true!"

And so it drags on, but the money keeps rolling in and, let's not forget, it's all about the money.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 | 09:04 PM
It's been more than 5 years now that LifeWave has been selling patches on the promise that they command your body to burn fat, and it's been about a year and a half now since LifeWave has been selling their "Y-Age" patches that "aid in weight loss and appetite suppression."

Judging from the photos take in October 2008, however, "Fatty" Haltiwanger is as corpulent as ever. http://www.lifewavetraining.com/insidepages/storypage17.asp,

So much for the fat-burning and appetite suppressing power of glycerin-and-sugar, nanotechnology, frequency modulating, bioresonating, thermomagnetic energy bending patches.

Hey, Haltiwanger, put the fork down and step away from the french fries, for chrissake!

Perhaps Haltiwanger suffers from reverse polarity, such that Lifewave patches actually make him pack the pounds on.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 07:48 AM
Joel,

Your link to the 2008 Lifewave training pictures is interesting in many ways.

Poor Haltiwanger. I guess his addictive personality (getting himself struck off for drug problems)includes a carbohydrate addicition.

The conference room pics never seem to show more than the first few tables. Gives one the impression that they were packed out, but were they really?

The many pictures of smiling faces and groups of people giving us the impression that there MUST be something to this LifeWave thing.

They've been around for over 5 years, they sell in many countries, they have all these nice people working for them.

How could this possibly be a SCAM?

So VERY clever.

So sad to see Richard Quick in the photos. What a comedown. Nuff said.

Funny how there is NOTHING about the amazing LifeWave patches in his profile:
http://gostanford.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/mtt/quick_richard00.html

or Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Quick

You would think that a man who is endorsing such a miracle invention would be singing its praises at every opportunity.

Mmmm
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 11:34 AM
One of my clients is in the fitness industry, and says that he knows Richard Quick somewhat and would be surprised if Quick were involved with a scam product. So I was surprised to see that Richard Quick is still trying to make a few extra bucks by putting his credibility on the line with the SCAM LifeWave product. He's the swimming coach at Auburn now, but you sure don't here anything about LifeWave being used at Auburn, or at Stanford anymore.

Perhaps I'll call up Quick and/or the head of the Auburn Athletic Department and ask him how Lifewave patches are working out for the Auburn Swim Team.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 12:19 PM
Joel

Looks like Richard's story just got complicated.

http://auburntigers.cstv.com/sports/c-swim/spec-rel/123008aaa.html

Dave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 01:51 PM
"<i>Looks like Richard's story just got complicated.</i>"

I guess it's case closed for those early commenters that claimed Lifewave could cure cancer.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 07:02 PM
Ah Suzanne.

http://cmyhero.com/smss

"The scientist in this book is Dr. er, David Schmidt and I said I don't even know what nanotechnology is. He said... "well I was asked by the US Navy Seals to design an energy patch because they have to stay up for, um, sometimes 24, 36, even longer hours and they don't want to put the money into that kind of drugs.""

I guess Suzanne, like all the other hangers on trying to make a buck, didn't bother to do any fact checking.

Thanks to WWSN for this insight:

http://www.worldwidescam.info/aaginfo.htm

"By now you've probably heard stories about David Schmidt and the Navy Seals, how he developed an "amazing oxygen generator" for the U.S. Navy,..."

Apparently Suzanne hadn't heard that one. She believed Schmidt's current lie of the moment that had him developing energy patches for the Navy Seals.

She could have asked an expert like this person did back in 2006:

Answer: "The inventor of the Lifewave patch, David Schmidt, has no apparent history, no formal education, no professional experience in his field, no documentation, records, or published peer review of any research into nanotechnology, resonant energy transfer, frequency modulation, electromagnetic induction, wireless communication, biomagnetics, quantum physics, or any science whatsoever, except for vague and unverifiable rumors regarding the U.S. Navy and the Navy Seals (who deny his story).

He has never responded to requests for a copy of his curriculum vitae, sources state that none is available."

http://www.justanswer.com/questions/cs5n-david-schmidt

Over the past 5 years we have witnessed just how easy it is for David Schmidt to lie.

Like any other sociopath, lying comes easy. We've seen the videos of people on tv who have been caught out in a lie. They look at the interviewer or the camera head on and state they "never did it" "it was someone who just looked like them".

Schmidt has every trick in the book at LifeWave central and he's adding to them daily.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 07:06 PM
Yes, that should put to rest the cruel claims made by amoral pond scum that Lifewave patches cure cancer, such as this:

<I>"Japanese doctors are using a combination of the Energy Patch and the Glutathione Skin Patch to get rid of cancers in record time." </I>

<I>"One terminal patient was purple from head to toe from coagulated blood under the skin. He is now cancer-free and his skin is no longer purple."</I>

http://golfcalc.com/lifewave/
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 07:16 PM
BTW, I know someone who was personally involved in promoting a hair growth formula. To the people who asked, this person gave the answer: Yes, the "Before" and "After" pictures used in the marketing materials were absolutely real.

Except that, as this person confided to me, the "Before" pictures were taken right after the subject's chemotherapy treatments had ended, so of course the subject had very little hair. The "After" pictures were taken after the subject had been using the hair growth formula for awhile, AND the chemo treatments had ended long ago.

Yup, it's that easy to give the appearance of efficacy to a scam product, even with real "Before" and "After" photos.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 | 06:34 PM
Diane in Australia.

I wonder what image of David Schmidt you conjure up when considering the miracle of LifeWave.

I presume some sort of clinical laboratory with David hard at work supervising the development of his next great breakthrough.

Please share this insight from WWSN back in Nov 2007:

http://www.worldwidescam.info/dscurves.htm

"In some ways, however, it was pathetic. Lifewave had told people that it was going to be the next Microsoft and people had better get in on the ground floor before it
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 | 10:39 AM
This is an open question for any Lifewave distributor who cares to respond.

The most outrageous claims about LifeWave (i.e., that it cures cancer in "record time" and that it is an effective treatment for childhood autism) never seem to be made in print directly by LifeWave. That is good for David Schmidt and Dr. Haltiwanger because they know that they could face criminal charges if they made those claims.

So how is it that distributors end up making these claims? Do Schmidt and Haltiwanger tacitly encourage distributors to make those claims? Do Schmidt and Haltiwanger tell distributors in private where their words are not being recorded that Lifewave cures cancer and autism, expecting distributors to repeat those claims while giving Schmidt and Haltiwanger plausible deniability so that they can say, "We NEVER said anything like that. We NEVER encouraged anybody to claim that LifeWave is an effective treatment for cancer or autism. You can't pin that on us."

Or do LifeWave distributors make that shit up out of whole cloth, inventing it out of nowhere?

Like that crap quoted three posts above about LifeWave curing cancer.

Did an imaginative distributor simply invent that all by himself out of whole cloth? Or does Schmidt actually tell people B.S. like that, hoping that they will use such stories to sell more patches?
QXCharles
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 | 05:50 AM
Доводилось ли Вам спать на металлической кровати, пользоваться ветошью? Если нет - обратитесь в местный кружок спорта. Мне недавно посчастливилось говорить с нашим физруком, этаким альпинистом-энтузиастом из 80-х, проводящим занятия. Поставил в угол добрый объём раскладушек, и командует (помните дудку на груди наставника)? 😊 подопечным: всё перетащить в другой угол. А помещение - почти наш школьный спортзал. Вот они, бедные, таскали всё это: <a >раскладушка</a> - я байку эту нашел на wetosh.ru.
До седьмого пота впрягались. Когда поняли, что ветошь от этих шкрябаний и перемещений (уже не первый год он народ тренирует!) скоро придёт в негодность - только тогда восстали и призвали энтузиаста к порядку. Он вспрыгнул на груду раскладушек и остался очень доволен собой и воспитанниками. Особенно после того, как они всё убрали.
jayessell
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 | 05:51 PM
QXCharles.... Google translates as follows:

Have you sleep on a metal bed, use cloth? If not - contact your local sports club. I recently was fortunate to speak with our fizrukom, этаким mountain climber enthusiast-from the 80's, conducting classes. Delivered to the angle of a good amount of raskladushek, and the team (remember the tune on his chest mentor)? ward: all drag in another corner. A premise - almost our school gym. Here they are, the poor, pulled all of this: <a> cot </ a> - tales that I found on wetosh.ru.
Before the wet shirt harness. When realized that the rags from those shkryabany and displacement (is not the first year he coached the people!) Will soon come into disrepair - only then revolted, and called to order enthusiast. He vsprygnul raskladushek on the chest and left very pleased with themselves and pupils. Especially after they are removed.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 | 05:55 PM
Google isn't the best translator, huh?
JustgotTricked
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 | 11:43 AM
I was at one of the home presentation and I volunteered to do one of their claim the fame "Muscle test". Well I was amazed that with the patches on, I resisted a 235 lbs man pushing my right arms extended outward down. Was that a hoax? I don't know but my wife who witness it said that the man was faking his strength while pushing my arm down. I though I was a superman at that time I even danced. Then they put patches on one of my trusted friend who claims she have pain in her left arm. She then told me that not just on her arm that the pain vanished but also her lower back pain was gone. I was puzzled. Here I am now reading all of these negative things about Lifewave. I am really turned off.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 | 01:42 PM
LifeWave didn't invent that "test." Other quack "alternative" "therapies" use it too. Those don't use patches, so what is REALLY causing the perceived effect?

Well, one answer is that the testee simply reacts to the "therapy" as he/she is expected to.

It would be fascinating to try the same test with placebo patches and see if the same thing happens. If so, that would pretty much confirm that it isn't the "real" patches causing the perceived effect, wouldn't it?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 | 01:45 PM
I forgot to mention that Ellen DeGeneres used to have a joke in her act about being taken to some "alternative" therapist (I forget which particular therapy, but it isn't LifeWave) and taking the same "test." The joke is that she reacts differently to pants than she did to a skirt.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 | 05:47 PM
JustgotTricked
in So. Cal

"I am really turned off".

But, are you going to do anything about it?

Here's the same test you had done to you seen in a "YouTube" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDTuoXygZKk

This example shows "magic crystals" but the product can be anything. However, in this clip, our good friend James Randi exposes the crystal lady as a fraud despite her excuses.

Here's a scam artist using the same "test". He's hoping you want protection from dangerous magnetic fields. Funny, I though "Dr." David Schmidt was relying on magnetic fields around your body for the patches to interact with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxLvLHdiCo

Here's another "testing" session. This time the products include "essential oils".

Of course you can sign up to become a distributor and sell the product to your friends once you have impressed them with the "test".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asHk-nUwESk&feature=related

https://www.youngliving.org/michaelwashingt

This clip uses the same "test" to sell you on the idea of an energy pedant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJS9DdAgC-Y&feature=related

Watch the videos and I think you'll get the point.

Each one of these SCAM ARTISTS uses fancy words to give a pseudo scientific feel to the sell.

And, guess what?

For a LOT of people the sales pitch works!

How do you think that "Dr." David Schmidt is still in business selling patches that "talk" to you body?

People are out there looking for cures to all sorts of things. They will try anything.

Enjoy the videos and perhaps you might consider what you are going to do to help stop just one scam artist.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 | 06:05 PM
One more video.

Cute girl with a mic uses the test. This time the "product" holographic discs, comes courtesy of an ex member of the Schmidt LifeWave team. He wanted to get in on the racket but with his own business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_8cJpGAMpE&feature=related

It's all so EASY!

D
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 12:58 AM
Thanks, Bob. "Applied kinesiology" is exactly the term I was trying to remember.
jayessell
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 06:40 AM
EdHulk... That's me as the commenter!

Speaking of Holographic disks, 5 years ago or so,
"SmogBuster" disks were being sold as a method of increasing MPG and reducing emissions.
They worked by shooting 'holographic frequencies' into the fuel tank, altering the fuel's molecular structure.

I despaired that no evidence remained on the 'Net (except for the debunkers. ) but I found this abandoned webpage.
(All the links are dead of course.)

http://www.energels.com/SmogBuster.htm

KIFI deleted the video from their archive.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 09:11 AM
jayessell
in Chester, NY, USA

"...That's me as the commenter!"

Where?

"...They worked..."

Surely you are not suggesting the smogbuster disc worked, right?

Dave
jayessell
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 10:50 AM
EhHulk...


My YouTube and flickr name is jsl151850b.

**********

Oops!
I meant to say <i>They claimed to</i> work by shooting 'holographic frequencies' (whatever that might be) into the fuel.

There's "works like magic" and then there's "works BY magic".
The SmogBuster was the latter.


(No... they didn't work.)
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 11:07 AM
jayessell
in Chester, NY, USA

Many thanks, all is now clear.

EDHUK
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 08:49 PM
While we are looking at other scams, here's a nice one courtesy of the link provided by jayessell above:
http://www.energels.com/SmogBuster.htm

http://www.energels.com/33001.htm

Feast your eyes on this 22 inch wonder for only $116. What a bargain!

Our buddy from the UK could purify a whole swimming pool with his magic discs.

Is there no limit to people's inventiveness?

I guess not.

Enjoy.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 | 08:57 PM
BTW just like the Schmidt LifeWave patches scam, the energels website uses pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo to make their product appear scientific and important:

"All water in the home will be raised to the positive energy level of approximately 10,000 - 12,000 Bovis units, up from the usual 3-4,000 Bovis units found in tap water, with 6,500 units being neutral"

WOW...Bovis Units.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovis_scale

Oh dear...

"The unit of the Bovis scale has no known definition and isn't in any way based on physics."

Of course, no surprise to skeptics here.

Just another example of how easy it is to sell junk to the masses.
Diane
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 | 05:58 PM
"I am really turned off"

You went to a presentation, and a trusted friend told you that it removed her pain.

Who do you believe? These skeptics that just enjoy doing what they do here, are not interested in whether it works or doesn't work. They just love hanging out here and bagging something they can't possibly comprehend how it works.

Believe your trusted friend!!!

By the way David Schmidt does not promote himself as a Doctor and in fact tells everybody he is not.

Or if you have pain...try them for yourself.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 | 07:33 PM
Diane

Come come Diane. It is usual protocol to declare a vested interest in the sales of the scam patches.

Schmidt may not promote himself as an MD now. He DID sign a document to the USA Patent office as Dr. David Schmidt, but that's just a minor detail, right?
Diane
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 | 09:50 PM
How do I have a vested interest if somebody buys a patch in the States from whoever... they are nothing whatsoever to do with me.

I love these patches for what they do...take away pain that people have...in some cases had constantly for more than 10 years and so called Doctors had not been able to help with. Do you realise that when you go to a doctor with something wrong...you are getting his best guess on what is the problem. Then he prescribes you some drugs and you go home and take them without question. Do you know how many people die each year from prescribed medication? Give me those facts.

I don't know where you got the idea that I paid thousands of dollars to David Schmidt from, go check out what your talking about before you talk bullshit.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 | 12:58 AM
"Who do you believe? These skeptics that just enjoy doing what they do here, are not interested in whether it works or doesn't work. They just love hanging out here and bagging something they can't possibly comprehend how it works."

So, Diane, since you're not one of those bastard skeptics who just want to tear things down and don't understand how LifeWave works, explain to us all HOW IT WORKS.

I mean, you DO understand, right...or else your criticism doesn't really make much sense.

I'm fascinated to see your explanation of the Miracle Which Is LifeWave.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 | 09:14 AM
WOW, I TOO HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR THE <i>CAMBRIDGE WHO
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 | 01:01 PM
Diane said,
Do you realise that when you go to a doctor with something wrong...you are getting his best guess on what is the problem. Then he prescribes you some drugs and you go home and take them without question.


I went to the emergency room three weeks ago. The doctor gave his best guess as a kidney stone with resulting infection. However, he then sent me for a CAT scan, x-rays, took my blood pressure, and did a complete blood work up before he prescribed me (literally, in my case) life-saving antibiotics and started a IV with fluids and plasma because the infection had entered my blood, put in a stent because my kidney wasn't draining, and scheduled me for an operation to remove the kidney stone.

I have SEEN the stone, I don't HAVE to just believe the doctor. He has good, tested science that he used to confirm his best guess. If I had decided that LifeWave patches had been in my best interest, I'd likely be dead now.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 | 01:46 PM
Diane
in Melbourne

From such a promising start you sink in to the gutter.

Your words have been used many, many times previously by disgruntled LifeWavers, but you wouldn't know that because you are so busy with your business interests.

"By the way David Schmidt does not promote himself as a Doctor and in fact tells everybody he is not."

Again, if you had read this forum you would know that David Schmidt did IN FACT sign as "Dr. David Schmidt" when he applied for a patent. He later stated that he only did that because he thought the patent office would take him more seriously.

Why someone would take a person who lies about being a doctor seriously is beyond me.

Schmidt's patent application was denied and of course, for those who actually think about these things, the granting of a patent would not have given authenticity to the patches, just that he was the first to do it.

"Or if you have pain...try them for yourself."

Ah, your fatal mistake.

You are promoting the patches.."try them".

You are also on record in this hoax forum including your contact information.

You can be held accountable, but I doubt you even considered that. I imagine there's a lot you haven't considered.

Meantime, I will continue, along with the other "skeptics" here, to post comments in response to those who either promote or have been "taken" by Schmidt and his SCAM.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 | 11:41 AM
Diane:

<b>These skeptics that just enjoy doing what they do here, are not interested in whether it works or doesn't work</b>

I think the skeptics here all agree that it does work but only by the placebo effect. I believe that it is <i>you</i> who are profoundly uninterested in whether LifeWave patches work other than via the placebo effect.

Did you try that little test I suggested? What were the results? Could you consistently tell the difference between envelopes or bags containing real Lifewave patches from those containing something similar, without being able to see or feel what's in them and based merely on the pain-relieving effect they have on you or some other test subject?

I've always wanted to do some scuba diving in Australia. I'd be willing to come to Australia where you are and perform that test on you or a subject that you say is in pain for, say, a $5000 wager. What do you say? Wouldn't that be the easiest $5000 you ever made?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 | 03:21 PM
Joel,

As with all the other information we are rehashing for the umpteenth time, Diane has no interest in actually READING this thread. She would have read the pages and pages of posts from many sources, you and me included, talking about the power of the placebo effect.

And YES, the placebo effect is experienced in animals and babies. In fact, research has consistently shown that the placebo effect in babies is MUCH stronger than in adults due to the effect of the parents interpretation of results.

But, of course, Diane will have no interest in details such as these.

It always tickles me when posters such as Diane turn up and basically claim to be knowledgeable about the LifeWave patches. (Of course the "knowledge comes directly from LifeWave and it's distributors.) They give advice to people to "give them a try and make up your own mind". They post for a few weeks, maybe a few months, then disappear.

Most of us have been posting here for years and have researched a great deal about this company and this scam.

I have personally emailed many people around the world. Scientists who work in the field of nanotechnology, doctors who had realised this was a scam etc. etc.

But, hey, that's small change when compared to someone who states "they work, use them and decide for yourself."

We'll never match that kind of "science"!

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 | 05:43 PM
OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANY LIFEWAVE BELIEVER

Since Diane didn
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 01:01 AM
I like you, Joel. You have balls. Not that you really need them to win this bet, of course. It's a sure thing--assuming that any LifeWaves take you up on it, which I doubt they will

That will speak volumes. You'd think they'd be jumping at the chance to prove their revolutionary product works.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 10:53 AM
CMG - Thanks.

Who needs the JREF challenge? We've got $5000 cash on the table right now. Anybody?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 03:59 PM
If these Lifewave believers won't do a test for $1,000,000 I doubt they will do it for $5000. However, they will continue to tell us we have no reason criticize the patches if we haven't tried them.
smurf
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 07:57 AM
Can anybody please help? I remember reading somewhere that David Schmidt previously pushed his products under two other company names prior to LifeWave but I can't find that info. again. Any suggestions? Thanks.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 02:54 PM
smurf

Try this:

http://www.lightbodypath.org/harmonypatch.html

Harmony Patch with some of the old and current names listed. Haltiwanger was probably still in his struck off status back then. Poor guy, he's as fat as ever. So much for the fat burning properties. Maybe he had them on the wrong way around, or perhaps he wasn't hydrated enough!

"The Harmony Patches use the electronic and magnetic features of the body like a cellular radio to transmit information from the patches into the body to enhance the production of energy and stamina. This technological discovery applies research from many fields of science to promote the burning of fat as an energy source to produce greater strength-endurance."

-Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, MD CCN

Perhaps Bob, Joel or someone else can remember the other business names.

Cheers,
Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 03:02 PM
Smurf

Then they went to this:

http://www.newlifeenergy.com/

Good old Haltiwanger earning a meager crust to keep that poor old body intact.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 03:07 PM
Smurf

If you really want to be confused, here's a website promoting LifeWave:

http://www.healpastlives.com/affiliate/nrgpatch/nrgpatch.htm

At the bottom of the page we read:

"These are the opinions of Ellen A. Mogensen, Holistic Healer, and do NOT represent the opinions of the makers of the patches.

Ellen's opinions come from a spiritual-energy-holistic viewpoint and not from physical-matter-mechanistic viewpoint.

Only you can decide which viewpoint you agree with."

"...not from physical-mattermechanistic viewpoint."

Mmmm So is she saying it's more of a faith thing, like PLACEBO?

Enjoy
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 03:10 PM
FREE OFFER

If we are to believe Ms Mogensen, and it's still a current offer, get free patches here.

http://www.healpastlives.com/affiliate/nrgpatch/freepatch.htm
Lindsey
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 10:32 PM
Pretty Boring I must say - I too was skeptical, but at least I have given them a go, and experienced amazing and unexpected relief in less than 5 minutes. I suspect most of the people who have posted also find it hard to believe meridians in the body? N'est pas?

Don't take my word for it - try it yourselves before you make such silly comments. At least do everyone the favour of making an informed decision.

There are plenty of double blind research studies that prove the efficacy of these products. Just check out the research tab under testimonials on the Lifewave.com site.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 11:14 PM
Lindsey - I think your ability to detect a scam is about as good as your French, n'est-ce pas?

<b>There are plenty of double blind research studies that prove the efficacy of these products. Just check out the research tab under testimonials on the Lifewave.com site.</b>

Yes, and David Schmidt is a "Dr." according to his own written affirmations, n'est-ce pas?

Poor Lindsey. He believes everything he reads posted on a website written by a phony doctor.
Lindsey
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 11:42 PM
Happy Lindsey actually - I have tried them and had amazing results - have you at least tried them? I suspect not.

Placebo Effect? - I don't much care ...

I had pain, got patched, no more pain ...works for me.

Pretty good hoax I say - perhaps we should invest in a few more like this one.

BTW. I understand the energy patches are great for treating negativity and depression ...just a thought.

I read how acid your comments are and wonder why you are so damaged ... would you care to be honest about the source of your negativity? Why are you so anti- something that gives such relief? Are you a frustrated innovator perhaps who wish you had figured this out? Are you part of a rival business network? Maybe that's it... bag it at all costs. Really struggling to understand your position.

I am sure that you know this but in Australia at least they come with a TGA approved certificate - Class 1 medical device? I checked (see I have a healthy skepticism too!) but boy yours is way out there...

Signing off

Happy Lindsey.

Find something that works for your pain - I have found one that works for mine.
Laura in the OC
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 11:52 PM
I have to say, for the last few days I have had amazing energy. I've been really happy, slept really well, and just feel, well... FANTASTIC. More so than usual.
I was chuckling to myself this afternoon, thinking that HAD I bought into the Lifewave scam, I would surely be giving them all the credit right about now.
However, NO patches... Just life.
Some days are just better than others. Yanno?
Lifewave folks must be laughing all the way to the bank. I'm just laughing at the absurdity of the idea that a good day must be due to a patch. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Lindsey
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 12:00 AM
Like I said - if you got it and it works for you great. I notice that you have only had amazing energy for the last few days how were you before that?

You obviously have never lived with ongoing pain. Until you tried it - don't knock it.

I tried it, it works - enough said. At least I have an informed opinion.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 11:58 AM
Lindsey,

Are you suggesting that a huckster should be able to sell any snake oil imaginable as a pain reliever, as long as it makes some effective use of the placebo effect? If that were the legal rule and the extent of people's ethics, the market would be flooded with tens of thousands of fake pain relieving products.

It's not legal to sell such a thing in the U.S. It's been adjudicated by the courts to constitute fraud. So if you're shelling out your own money and it works for you, Good on ya, Mate, I'm glad that you're feeling better. But if you're a distributor . . .

Knowledge that can be completely captured in 5 words, "I tried it, it works", cannot be called an "informed opinion" by any stretch. But thanks for your 2 cents.
Laura in the OC
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 02:24 PM
Bob~
You know what comes to mind when I read some of these so-called "testimonies"..... The last line in the book, The Thornbirds....
"And still they do it, and still they do it."
Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same.
There will always be suckers who are willing to pay out their hard earned money for snake oil, and there will always be "Schmidt types" willing to take it.
But, FORTUNATELY, there are now sites like this, so people like me can avoid being taken!
Thank you for that.
Laura
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 02:52 PM
Laura,

LifeWave seems to go through phases. At the moment, Australia appears to be flavor of the month.

It's always interesting to me how an American can rip off people in other countries (because the grass is always greener etc.) and those very same people defend the scam. Precious!

The latest defender, Lindsey, is no different from all the other LifeWave defenders.

Again the level of arrogance is predictable.

"I tried it, it works - enough said. At least I have an informed opinion."

Sorry Lindsey, but you cannot have an "informed" opinion when EVERY scrap of information comes from the scammer and his network of fellow scammers. Surely that simple concept isn't beyond your level of education...or is it?
Diane
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 04:58 PM
Lindsey it is a waste of time talking to these people...don't bother....doesn't matter what proof they were ever to see or hear. That's why nobody bothers to take up their challenge...

If it were placebo...every time a doctor has given you medication you should be better. The pain should go and you should be healed...why doesn't this happen.....please explain.

According to them...placebo... even a baby or an animal knows what your expecting when you use it.

I am happy to be a lifewave user and if I can help people get relief from pain after 10 years of being on pain therapy that has cost them over a $1000 per month, wouldn't they be happy to use a few patches at a fraction of the cost.

I wouldn't call that being scammed...I call that saving...and also being pain free. How good is that.

Lindsey we know they work...don't bother trying to convince them...it's a waste of time....they love bitching about Lifewave...mustn't have anything else to do.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 07:24 PM
Diane

"...mustn't have anything else to do."

Yet you appear to have the time also?

Perhaps you can dig deep into your thoughts and post something that hasn't been posted here over and over and over again by LifeWavers.

You really cannot imagine how utterly frustrating and boring it is to read the exact same comments from good people just like yourself.

"According to them...placebo... even a baby or an animal knows what your expecting when you use it."

Hardly, I am not a published researcher. There is, however, plenty of published scientific studies that prove the placebo effect is alive and well in animals and in babies.

It would be a totally different thought process if ONLY animals and babies were present but, unfortunately, adult humans are present to confound the studies.

"...if I can help people get relief from pain..."
Once again you openly promote this SCAM. It will come back to bite you.

"Lindsey we know they work..."

More correctly, you "know" something happened. That you believe, as in have faith, it was the LifeWave patches that caused the "effect" is the point in dispute.

I, and I know most of the other posters here, have plenty to do but I will always find time to speak out against ignorance, naievity and arrogance.

Dave
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