The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 01:00 AM
Jim D said:

"I have never tried the Lifewave stuff--but it seems possible that since the skin is the biggest organ of the human body and it absorbs just about everything, maybe there is something to this."

Not only have you not tried it, you apparently haven't read anything about it, either. They have consistently claimed that LifeWave in "non-invasive" meaning that nothing from it enters the human body. Therefore your point about skin absorbing "just about anything" is irrelevant.

"As your job losses mount, ask yourself how it all happened....educate yourself--look at all of the people dying from prescription drugs every year...that is where you should critically evaluate the so called "science"---its a big scam and thats why we have so many sick people in this country--they are brainwashed and in comas -fat, dumb and happy."

Your "logic" here seems to be that since there are some excesses in the pharmaceutical industry, something "alternative" like LifeWave MUST be better.

"[L]ook at all of the people dying from prescription drugs every year"

Would you like to go back to the time BEFORE prescription drugs, before that evil science that you dislike? You know, when the average life expectancy was something like 35 years. Yup, those were the Good Old Days, all right.

Um, how about this: While there are certainly things which should be corrected about Big Pharma, that does not mean that any "alternative" snake oil that comes along must work.

LifeWave is snake oil. Non-invasive snake oil, but snake oil nonetheless.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 08:23 PM
WWSN, in all the 236 pages of this thread, I would say that that is probably your best worded post. Well done.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 | 08:48 PM
Razela

I totally agree.

Bob has been following scams for many years and busted many of the biggest.

Jim D
in West Coast USA

I am always highly suspicious of people who just happen to find this thread and just happen to be from the West Coast where David Schmidt has his base of operations.

Maybe Jim D is a genuine seeker of the truth...I doubt it.

More likely to be one more post from the LifeWave scam organization hoping to prolong this scam in order to make as much money as possible.

Patches that "talk" to your body.

What did they tell you, Jim?
Jack
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 05:29 AM
Edited out spam but left post so EDHUK doesn't appear to be talking to himself. 😉

Charybdis
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 | 06:49 AM
Jack

Thanks for the Monday morning laugh!

It's good to reflect on how much crapola is out there.

Oprah and her yo yo weight problem just highlights how these loose weight fast scams are just not worth their weight in berries!

Thanks again.

ps Got any more?
Toni
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 | 03:23 AM
New to this but wanting to add my 10 pence worth. I would like to commend forums like this and all you sceptics!!!
I recently was diagnosed with terminal SCLC and was approached by a "friend" about lifewave. After asking minimal info about my condition he said " not wanting to go all business on you but you must try this....it is amazing....it will help you feel better..read all the testimonials...watch the vids..."
Instead...thankfully I googled and came across your forum.
I am disgusted that this so called friend, wanted me to waste my time, energy and money on something that should clearly be exposed as a scam and this man appropiately dealt with for feeding off innocent, confused, sick people like myself.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 | 06:24 AM
Toni,

Thank you for taking the time, and energy, to post here.

You have highlighted one of the reasons why "we skeptics" have continued to post about the fake "Dr." David Schmidt and the scam LifeWave patches year after year.

In many of my early posts I talked about my disgust that innocent people with parkinson's disease etc. were being offered false hope.

I continue to be frustrated that in 2010 we can somehow expect people like Schmidt will be exposed when in reality it is more than possible that he will continue his scam until the bitter end.

His suppliers will ultimately close him down due to non payment of their invoices.

The FDA and other authorities seem to judge him as small fish in the huge pond of fakery, that's even if he is on their radar.

It shouldn't be this way but the reality is that he's been getting away with it for years now.

Your "friend" may well have been duped and may genuinely think the product "works". They may have experienced an "effect" and been convinced it was due to patches that "talk" to the body but do not pass any substance into the body.

This thread has given volumes of information about why this "effect" can come about.

I am so sorry to hear about your diagnosis and hope you can come to terms with your condition and are able to live your life, however long that might be, with the maximum level of comfort.

Again I appreciate you taking the time to post here.

David
Toni
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 | 08:09 AM
It has been very interesting to me throughout these posts at the amount of " it does noone any harm" writers.
With my illness I have been able to see the other side of the story.
When first diagnosed I was inundated with miracle cures, symptom relievers and alternative remedies. I spent hours, googling, reading amazing results,testimonials and duping myself into believing all I needed to do was spend a "little" money and I would be saved, (I'm a single-mother of three!)
The day I decided to quit chemo made me realise that I maybe didn't really know what I was doing.

I woke up, put away my credit card and stopped reading all the information.

Now I concentrate on the things we all know are good for a happy, healthier life and enjoy living.
Please keep up the good work guys, these parasites need to be exposed.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 | 01:52 PM
Toni said:

"I am disgusted that this so called friend, wanted me to waste my time, energy and money on something that should clearly be exposed as a scam and this man appropiately dealt with for feeding off innocent, confused, sick people like myself."

I am sorry to hear about your condition, Toni. Your point, of course, is well taken. Yes, it's very upsetting to know that there are humans in this world who are more than happy to make money by offering false hope to people like yourself. I would say that they have their own kind of sickness.

It takes a great deal of courage to reject a "what have you got to lose?" panacea. Good wishes to you and your family.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 | 05:49 PM
Toni said, "It has been very interesting to me throughout these posts at the amount of " it does noone any harm" writers. "

There is a site dedicated to showing what kind of damage can be caused by simply not thinking:

http://whatstheharm.net/
jayessell
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 | 03:10 PM
I thought this was a
Discworld novel!

False Profits

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0964879514?tag=whsthha-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0964879514&adid=0VE3B772PQ57KCY280YA&
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 | 05:39 PM
That book False Profits looks like a good read.

I first started reading and then posting here because I wanted to first understand, and then to help expose, the stupid Lifewave crap that a Lifewave zombie tried to sell to me.

I stuck around because I've been fascinated by how people can so completely delude themselves, and have their moral compasses so completely discombobulated, by their desire to get rich quick via an MLM.

I wonder how many ex-Lifewavers eventually sit down and put their heads in their hands and ask themselves, "My god, how could I have been so stupid, so gullible, so blinded by my dreams of getting rich quick, that I either didn't ask the questions I knew all along I should have asked, or refused to listen to the answers. More importantly, how could I have so completely jettisoned my personal ethics as to try to profit by selling stupid sugar patches to desperate people as cures/treatments for their cancer, their Parkinson's, or their child's autism?"

I would recommend that before anyone gives a single dime to Lifewave, they:
1. Watch the movie "Believe" on DVD
2. Read the book False Profits
3. Read the Lifewave patent applications (we've posted the links here before)
4. Ask anyone they know who possesses a college science degree, whether the Lifewave "technology" makes any sense at all or whether it's complete and total horseshit; and
5. Read at least a good portion of this hoax forum thread.

I doubt that anyone with even 20 neurons to boast of would spend another minute thinking about becoming a Lifewave distributor or customer after doing those things.
Diane
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 08:49 PM
I can understand people being skeptical, believe me I am one of the biggest, but check things out properly before you go shooting your mouth off. Lifewave patches have been scientifically proven and are registered by the FDA and TGA as a medical device. Toni I feel sorry for your friend, as they were trying to offer you something that possibly could help you and all you can see is they were trying to make money off you.

Believe me I hate being scammed and would never scam anybody either, faithfully believe "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Go back to them and try...there is a 100% money back guarantee...what else can you ask for. Have you tried them or spoken to someone who has.

To me it seems like a case of the Tall Poppy Syndrome...by some of you here who need to go and get a life.

I looked at these patches over a few months before deciding to get involved and needed to experience them for myself.

These patches are nothing short of miraculous, ask somebody in pain, who has tried everything including neurologist, acupuncture, etc and then you give them a glass of water and a patch and they get instant pain relief.

So maybe instead of just getting a life you try a Lifewave and see what happens!
Diane
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 10:18 PM
Hi, Bob-

As I said...Tall Poppy Syndrome...

Go to Google and type "lifewave clinical studies" and you may get quite a few results including thermal imaging results. I have a relative who is a doctor, a specialist in his field and he only will look at anything that has "double blind studies" done and these do.

Also the patches are registered through the TGA as "a medical device" not as a "bandage".

Ask the animals it has helped about placebo affect. That should be interesting.

As I said....go get a life. What you do by carrying on like this is stop people who believe this crap your writing at having a chance at pain relief, etc.
Laura in the OC
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 10:20 PM
I must offer my 2 cents once again to remind everyone that Lifewave did NOT give me a refund when I asked for it (after I sent back the product UNOPENED and UNUSED, I might add.)
My credit card company stepped in and charged back, giving me my money back, and they were not hearing of this refusal to refund for the first time from me, either. They are well versed in LifeWave's methods.
Bottom line: LIFEWAVE does NOT have a 100% money back guarantee. Those are just WORDS, like everything else they say.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 10:23 PM
Diana, I decided to Google "Tall Poppy Syndrome" and can't figure how it could come close to applying.

The only "TGA" I could locate was a file format.

Perhaps you should ask the animals *anything* and see what they tell you...
Diane
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 10:32 PM
Are you not aware of the expression "Tall Poppy Syndrome"? It has nothing to do with patches.

TGA stands for Therapeutic Goods Administration which is the Australian equivalent of the FDA.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 11:24 PM
I wasn't aware of the the expression, but now that I am, I don't think it has anything to do with Bob, either.

Didn't know about the TGA before, but now that I do, I see that "Medical Devices" covers a HUGE range of products...

Medical devices include a wide range of products such as medical gloves, bandages, syringes, condoms, contact lenses, in vitro diagnostic devices, disinfectants, X-ray equipment, surgical lasers, pacemakers, dialysis equipment, baby incubators, heart valves


...so it seems to me that being registered as a "medical devise" doesn't say anything about it's ability to cure.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 | 11:26 PM
Gahhhhhhhhhh.... submitted without previewing, and I spelled "device" wrong and will now go (not so) quietly insane because I can't fix it!!
jayessell
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 06:50 AM
An excerpt from the Tall Poppy Syndrome page from Wiki
(for what <i>that's</i> worth!)

But where once the "tall poppy syndrome" was a source of pride for many Australians, it is now widely viewed as an obstacle to success, wealth creation and excellence. None other than [former] prime minister John Howard has argued, "If there's one thing we need to get rid of in this country it is our tall poppy syndrome."


[Oh! I was confusing it with 'Topsy' who just grew.]
Juxtapose
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 08:01 AM
Diane said "Toni I feel sorry for your friend, as they were trying to offer you something that possibly could help you and all you can see is they were trying to make money off you."
How can you make this assumption and feel sorry for someone who so obviously wasnt interested in my actual symptoms and was professing that this patch would ease them all....wow stop the worlds suffering we have all been saved. Also what gives you the right to then suggest i take up the "100% money back" offer when clearly it has been shown on this site that, that isnt the case.
p.s Do u sell them, maybe you can send me a free supply and we can monitor my miraculous recovery on these posts.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 10:23 AM
Diane,

>>
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 04:06 PM
Diane in Australia

Having followed the link in your name to your website, "Retire Weathly Club.com" I guess we can all ask you for a loan as you are fabulously wealthy!

I note from your picture that you would never be confused with a tall poppy.

I find it interesting that posters, like yourself, who come along every few months posses a degree of arrogance that beggars belief.

You are clearly prime meat for online scams. Your posts reveal a less than stellar performance in reviewing this SCAM despite claiming that you took a look at it over a few months.

Did you place the patches, brown (glucose) and white (glycerin) as revealed by "Dr." David Schmidt, on your kitchen table and wait for some kind of inspiration?

You obviously have not done your homework but display all the hallmarks of a person seeking to get rich quick. I doubt that your latest venture with the Retire Wealthy Club is your first attempt to get rich.

You will not get rich with LifeWave but WILL open yourself up to legal claims in the future. As a distributor, you are directly telling your buyers that the product works as described. You become equally liable when the s*** hits the fan.

In the meantime please continue your posts, naieve though they are, as it gives many of the regulars here something to get their teeth into. None of us have lives you know. We all get paid fabulous sums of money from all types of businesses and corporations who are quaking in their shoes at the prospect of "Dr." David Schmidt ruling the world as KING of the scientific community.

Good on yer you old bute.

Dave
Laura in the OC
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 04:13 PM
This is all so entertaining. Please.....don't stop. I'm enjoying this immensely.
Diane
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 04:51 PM
Do you know how a mobile phone works? Do you know how electricity works? Do you care? No. You turn the phone on a make a call. You flick the switch and the light comes on.

Well, if somebody places a patch on you and it relieves pain immediately, that you have been having for years, months or weeks do you care what's in it. NO. Let me tell you I have experienced this for myself and helped others as well. Some of these people also thought it wouldn't work, but it did.

It doesn't matter what makes it work, the fact of the matter is it does.

Dave - "You obviously have not done your homework but display all the hallmarks of a person seeking to get rich quick. I doubt that your latest venture with the Retire Wealthy Club is your first attempt to get rich."

I am not into "get rich quick" and you would know that if you looked at my site properly, and definitely not into scamming anybody.

Dave - "You will not get rich with LifeWave but WILL open yourself up to legal claims in the future. As a distributor, you are directly telling your buyers that the product works as described. You become equally liable when the s*** hits the fan."

Do not assume that you know what I am telling prospective buyers about this product. There is no way that I can be sued for what I say.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 05:13 PM
Diane

As I mentioned in my previous post, your arrogance and lack of basic understanding beggars belief.

The mobile phone and electricity poser is straight out of the LifeWave Answers 101 book. You couldn't even come up with something original.

Do we know HOW a mobile phone works, or a computer, or electricity, or the internal combustion engine, or an electrical motor, or how a plane flies and a ship floats?

YES WE DO.

The science behind these things is well explored and tested and prodded and probed and published in peer reviewed publications way back in the day.

You have been politely asked to move on from your naieve remarks to providing concrete EVIDENCE that is accepted worldwide that LifeWave patches do ANYTHING at all.

Please submit VERIFIABLE scientific PROOF that the patches cause ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PLACEBO EFFECT.

You are of course very familiar with the placebo effect having already experienced it with the patches. As I stated previously you are "prime meat" for online scams. You have the type of personality that is easily swayed by jargon, hearsay, fake "studies" etc. etc. etc.

To admit to yourself that you have been TAKEN, CONNED, DUPED by an American is impossibe. Your ego won't allow it.

Do yourself a favor. Read every page, every comment in this thread.

Try to be clever then.

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 05:15 PM
It looks like our new poster Diane is, sadly, already acquainted with the frustrations, false promises, and disappointments of MLM. She shares a bit of her bad MLM experiences at http://dianeagussolspiderweb.blogspot.com/

I
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 05:23 PM
Diane.

p.s.

Please don't insult us by offering this as your list of "studies".

http://www.lifewave.com/research_info.asp
Diane
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 05:41 PM
Obviously you guys have nothing better to do that sit on this site all day long and bag a product that has helped a lot of people.

I am not trying to show you any "studies" as you put it, I go on personal experience. If something works then I am not going to question what makes it so.

So if you have all the time in the world to do follow up on me go knock yourself out.

EDHUK - "To admit to yourself that you have been TAKEN, CONNED, DUPED by an American is impossibe. Your ego won't allow it."

Oh..I will admit I have been conned by an American, not David Schmidt though...a company called PushTraffic, run by a person by the name of John Raygoza. For a substantial amount of money. If you want to put your efforts to work, track me down his personal phone no. would be good as I can't get through to his company and your Better Business Bureau is useless.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 | 09:10 PM
The pattern is all becoming all too familiar, isn
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 | 09:31 AM
Joel

Agreed, of course.

Hence my usual request for the newbee to actually READ this forum thread so that they can read about themselves; more acurately read about the other newbees.

Diane won't read this thread in its entirety. She'll post that she has a life and doesn't have time to read it. She didn't have time to do her due diligence on LifeWave and now she has been sucked up in the "Wave".

Quodos for her admitting to being conned in the past. But, of course, that was different "LifeWave works" I can hear her say.

The fact that we have given links to the new research on placebo effect demonstrating REAL effects in the human body by using a PLACEBO will be of little interest to Diane.

She has already told us she doesn't care if it is a placebo. As far as she is concerned it's worth her money.

So, I guess our "Dr." David Schmidt has stuck it to an Aussie and SHE doesn't care!

Mmmmm Maybe the severe drought in Australia is getting to Diane. Drink a glass of water, put on a patch and hey, I feel better. Also sounds familiar.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 | 11:16 AM
Just when you think LifeWave can get no funnier:

https://extranet.securefreedom.com/lifewavenano/Shopping/ShoppingCart.asp?Cat=IceWave|ALL

Item #: 14004.222.001
IceWave PLUS Homeopathic Spray Product
This incredible product alleviates aches and pains through the ancient technique of Homeopathy.

1 bottle of IceWave Homeopathic Spray Product
1 Brochure for Homeopathic Products
BV of 23
Your Price: $29.95 Add to Cart View Details Tell A Friend

"...the ancient technique of Homeopathy."

Mmmmm I guess LifeWave is a little confused here with the other "ancient" technique of acupuncture.

Homeopathy, also a hoax, has only been around for a short while (around the late 1700's), hardly ancient.

If you believe in LifeWave patches that "talk" to your body like a transistor radio (and I never quite got how a transistor radio talks to your body) you'll LOVE Homeopathy.

OR, you could do some research, your due diligence, and find out the truth about the homeopathy scam.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

Check out Mr Randi's insights on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

Then there is the LIFEWAVE SCAM

Go to your search engine and type in LifeWave SCAM

or LifeWave HOAX.

Enjoy and be enlightened. At the same time you might just avoid your wallet from being lightened!

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 | 08:12 PM
At last, a spray that improves doctors' handwriting.

"Dr Haltiwanger stated that upon awakening he used the LifeWave YAGE Plus homeopathic spray and then very quickly noticed that his handwriting was significantly improved. Dr Haltiwanger said that this was a clear indication of better brain/nerve-muscle communication."

http://quikonnex.com/channel/item/33138

That stuff is abso-frikkin-lutely hilarious!

David Schmidt and Steven "Ok so I self-prescribed a little injectable Demerol, so what?" Haltiwanger kill me. Those boy are comic geniuses!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 | 09:33 PM
Joel

Surely someone's having a laugh.

I followed your link above and then on to the website "about me" page.

http://www.lifewave.com/aboutme.asp

No mention of who "me" is but a long list of jobs with fancy descriptions is given.

What about PPK Enterprises?

Anybody's guess.

So, we have yet another amazing professional who is soooo knowledgeable in various biological and computer software fields, and states..."I firmly believe the future of human health and performance as we now know it will be permanently changed. What is more amazing to me is that ANY mammal can experience the LifeWave phenomenon!"

It gets whackier by the day.

Perhaps he trained with "Dr." David Schmidt!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 | 09:45 PM
Yet ANOTHER example of David Schmidt trying to seem "special".

http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/cambridge.pdf

Wow...inducted into the Cambridge Who's Who. That MUST mean he's the real deal, right.

Sorry...nope it doesn't.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/281/RipOff0281272.htm

Yet another online SCAM.

Schmidt, of course has given the company his dollars to add his name to this scam company because he knows that the likes of Diane in Australia will lap it up.

Like I said, whackier and whackier.

Yet, he's still selling his worthless patches.

Go figure.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 | 04:55 PM
Gosh, with sugar and glycerin patches that increase your strength immediately by 20%, and now with a spray that immediately produces dramatically "better brain/nerve-muscle communication," what MLB slugger would possibly need steroids? An MLB player could just put a couple of these nifty patches on, have somebody spray him with this new spray, and no doubt he could immediately hit curve balls like never before, and knock out 80 homers in a seasons.

Watch for Lifewave patches and Lifewave homeopathic spray to be standard tools in every major league dugout for the 2009-10 season, at least if a team wants any chance at all of being in contention.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 | 08:02 PM
So where does someone spray the homeopathic spray if he's one of those unfortunate people suffering from reverse polarity?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 | 08:42 PM
Joel,

I guess David Schmidt will offer polarity reversing magnets to stand on!

On a more serious note, I hope our recent LifeWave poster, Diane, from Victoria in Australia is not one of the many people who have been affected by the terrible fires.

Diane, I hope you and your family and friends are ok. Feel free to leave us a note.

Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 | 10:50 PM
You have to pay pretty close attention to the lyrics, but this song says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlQv4dTtYHc
Miki
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 | 10:01 AM
I'm using the Lifewave product.

After a year of hearing good things about the product I decided to try it.
I had a small wound on my lip for 3 to 4 years and doctors examined, provided all kind of ointments, medications the wound will go away for couple of days and then come back.

Since I began using Y age product of the Lifewave after about 2 weeks the wound was gone and now 3 months later its still gone.
My skin looks better even my finger nails are better.

Last week I also got the energy product.
Usually after lunch I'm very tired and tend to fall a sleep at my desk so I take a walk or do some pushups etc.

Now that I use these energy patches I have clear focus and never tired during the day. No more fatigue .

I don't market or sell this products.
They work for me and I'm using them.

My friends wife has insomnia so she tried their patch for that problem and the first application 10 minutes later she was sleeping.

This product works.
I don't know if Lifewave realy know how this works but once people try it they usually see good results.
I no longer see this as gimmick or hoax.

And my friend who told me to try it he will not harm the life long friendship over this .
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 | 01:50 PM
Miki in NY

Let me be the first to jump in on this one.

It's great that you have achieved some "results" from using the patches.

Had you read a good deal of this forum thread you would have some insight into why this can occur.

Unfortunately, one thing we can be crystal clear on, is that the patches did nothing. They can DO nothing. LifeWave produces a range of placebo products and if they were to advertise them as such I doubt any of us "skeptics" would have a problem.

To promote a "new scientific discovery" involving non-transdermal patches of glycerin (white) and glucose (brown) that "talk" to your body giving cells instructions to make energy etc. is to say at the very least disingenuous.

Having read this froum, you would also have noted that your own results are worthless in the attempt to prove efficacy.

As with other "believers" in the product please understand we skeptics are not trying to set up a you versus us stage. We are attempting to guide you to the eventual realization that it is more of a you and us versus LifeWave and in particular the barefaced scam artist "Dr." David Schmidt.

I hope you continue to do well but make no mistake YOU are 100% responsible for any "effects" you are experiencing.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 | 02:03 PM
Re: Diane in Victoria, Australia.

Just had a brief chat with Diane online through her website. She reports that the fires are not anywhere near her.

Dave
Diane
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 | 02:56 PM
Firstly, thanks Dave for your concern for mine and my families well being with the shocking bushfires that we are currently experiencing here in Victoria. Last Sunday, I slept at my daughters overnight and had to detour on my way home the next day due to fire going through not far from them, but thankfully it was contained in their area.

Gosh the placebo affect is amazing. Even my 15 month old granddaughter knows how that works.

She is teething and had not been sleeping and was ripping at her mouth continuously, so placed a sleep patch behind her right ear, without her knowledge, to just help relax her. Within seconds she relaxed and went to sleep, did not wake during the night and slept until 9am the next morning.

Was it worth the cost of the patch?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 | 03:27 PM
Diane,

You are welcome. I just found the abscence of your posts a little worrying due to your location.

I believe young children can be judged in the same light as the placebo effect in animals.

Your results, gratifying though they were, cannot be attributed to a patch behind the ear "talking" to your granddaughter's cells telling her to "go to sleep".

If it were all that simple there would be no need for this forum, now on page 238 and going strong since the first question back on Feb 24th, 2005.

The debate will continue.

Cheers,
Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 | 07:16 PM
Miki and Diane,

I
Laura in the OC
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 | 09:35 AM
And....I've asked for free samples of this product so I can try them out for myself, with no risk, but I haven't had any takers either! Every reputable company I know of, will send a free sample. Why not Lifewave?
If you are a Distributor and you "know" they work, then why not send me a sample?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 | 02:05 PM
Laura,

They can't make a buck from a free sample and, let's not forget, it is ALL about the money.

David Schmidt has his LA lifestyle to fuel from his ill gotten gains.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 | 09:37 PM
"The LifeWave Glutathione and Carosine Booster Patches are found to have a calming effect on children with autistic spectrum disorders when nothing else made a difference. This non-drug option is so needed at a time when the instances of autism among children is on the rise occurring in 1 out of every 166 children in America.

Until we find the cause, LifeWave has a gentle treatment alternative."

A "TREATMENT"

Surely this rattles someone's cage?

http://hubpages.com/hub/lifewave
Diane
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 | 11:40 PM
Laura - when you go to the doctor does he give you a free sample of the medication?

I pay for these patches and I actually will fit them on somebody before they pay me a cent. If they didn't help, they wouldn't buy.

You go on about studies, double blind studies have all been done, nothing will convince you guys....you just love being skeptics.

For he who has faith - no proof is necesary.

For he who has little faith - no proof is possible.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 03:17 AM
Diane said:

"You go on about studies, double blind studies have all been done, nothing will convince you guys....you just love being skeptics."

Diane, you have the rare opportunity to convert us skeptics. All you have to do is actually PRODUCE those double blind studies you claim have been done. Since you say they exist, that should be a simple matter, right?

"For he who has faith - no proof is necesary.

For he who has little faith - no proof is possible."

To that, I would add, "A fool and his money are soon parted."
Juxtapose
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 04:01 AM
Diane have you actually read these posts???
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 11:58 AM
Diane,

"You go on about studies, double blind studies have all been done, nothing will convince you guys."

As we have pointed out before, one "laboratory" used by Lifewave for its supposed studies, Fenestra Research Labs, later had to publicly admit on its website (which no longer exists) that it had been in the business of falsifying test data for its clients. That's what the phony "Dr." David Schmidt calls a "highly respected laboratory."

But if you like Lifewave, I'm sure you'll LOVE another product that was proven in "clinical trials" performed by Fenestra, the Stirwand. http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/wellness/stirwand.html.

Perhaps the harmony chip is more your style - does so many more things than Lifewave patches, and has a 10-year guarantee. http://www.harmonyunited.com/start.html They have MLM associates in Australia.

Opportunity awaits. Don't listen to those negative, pessimistic, ignorant, nit-picking, dream stealing skeptics. You go, girl.
Laura in the OC
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 12:57 PM
Actually, most MDs are more than happy to give you drug samples. The drug reps provide them free so that the doctor will hand them out like candy (and many do).
That is a whole other Forum topic, however. Don't get me started on Big Pharma!

My only request from Lifewave, is that if they are so sure their products work, and have nothing to hide, then why not send out samples? IF they are so life changing, then surely you'd have tons of new customers. If they worked, I'd buy them.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 02:35 PM
Lifewave has no interest in people who seek free samples so that they can perform a fair, personal evaluation.

Rather, Lifewave wants suckers who will swallow the bait - hook line and sinker - and invest themselves both financially and psychologically based merely on the Lifewave sales pitch without further question.

Identifying the most gullible portion of the population, and getting them to make that psychological investment, is critical to the way Lifewave "works."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 03:26 PM
Joel

"Identifying the most gullible portion of the population, and getting them to make that psychological investment, is critical to the way Lifewave "works.""

Absolutely Joel.

It's a self selection process and, you must admit, it is pretty elegant.

You just sit back and wait for a certain type of person to buy into your product and its promises of making a fortune. Once hooked they will bend over backwards to "prove" the product is the miracle the company claims it is.

It takes a very strong personality to finally admit they were duped. We have seen a few here on this site.
jayessell
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 05:24 PM
Hopefully old magazine articles on Quackery are On-Topic at the Life-Wave forum.

From Page 23 of the December 1927 Popular Science:

So the Quacks Get Rich

Magic Collars, Electric Belts, and Mysterious "Cure-Alls"
LureThousands, Who Might Have Real Wonders for the Asking


http://books.google.com/books?id=CSkDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=popular+science&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0_0#PPA23,M1

**********

From Page 9 of the July 1932 Popular Science

Radium: Life Giving Element deals DEATH in Hands of Quacks


http://books.google.com/books?id=SSgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA9&source=gbs_toc_pages_r&cad=0_1


(At least there's no RADIUM in the patches!)
Diane
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:00 PM
Laura - "My only request from Lifewave, is that if they are so sure their products work, and have nothing to hide, then why not send out samples? IF they are so life changing, then surely you'd have tons of new customers. If they worked, I'd buy them."

Why don't you check in your city if they hold public meetings where you can go along and get patched. No charge. We have them here in Melbourne.

If we just sent out samples and you put it on the wrong place, or your not hydrated, you wouldn't feel the benefit then you will say...see doesn't work. I know from experience, I had to really know exactly where my shoulder and neck pain was coming from and took me a couple of goes, but once found the right spot pain totally disappeared instantly. Other patches need to go on acupuncture points.. so you need to know where to place them. It's not like a tablet that you just take.

Also speaking of samples... it's very rare you get them from Drs. these days as drug companies have become quite tight.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:25 PM
Laura,
As you can see, Diane has swallowed the LifeWave SCAM hook line and sinker.

Elsewhere in this thread, the same words have been used time after time:

"...put it on the wrong place, or your (you're)not hydrated, you wouldn't feel the benefit then you will say...see doesn't work."

This is straight from the LifeWave 101 book of answers to people who question why the patch didn't "work" for them.

As with any scam, a great deal of attention is given to information that "believers" can use when they hit resistance to the sales pitch.

"...once found the right spot pain totally disappeared instantly."

Particularly amazing as LifeWave doesn't push the "instant fix" notion.

"Other patches need to go on acupuncture points..."

Which, of course, relies on a belief that acupuncture is part of established medical science, which it is not.

Off subject for a moment. We are asked to believe that acupuncture is thousands of years old and came from China.

How did they make the thin needles back then?

This question and many others have already been answered.

"...it's very rare you get them from Drs.(drug samples) these days as drug companies have become quite tight."

Perhaps in Australia but not here.

We see in Diane's posts the exact same rationalizations given by EVERY other LifeWaver who has come before her (and EVERY LifeWaver who will follow).

Diane may stick it out for a few more posts before the inevitable post.

Diane, you know this isn't personal, but let me write it for you.

"I'm far too busy to spend time posting here any more to a bunch of skeptics who wouldn't know a miracle if it hit them in the face. I'm going to continue using this amazing product because I KNOW it works. I don't know HOW it does, but then, I don't know how my tv works either. I just know it does. You guys should get a life. Why don't you leave people like David Schmidt alone. He's only trying to share his amazing discovery with the world and spread the goodness of his treatments with as many people as possible. One day he will get the recognition he richly deserves."

There, that's saved some valuable time.

Dave
Laura in the OC
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:25 PM
Ah, Diane, here in the good ole USA...the land of plenty...drugs flow freely in the doctor's offices. The drug reps make sure the doc has plenty of free samples so that patients can start on them right away, while their insurance companies can pay an inflated price to fill the actual prescription.

I don't take any drugs, I just eat well, exercise and think for myself (and yes, I do know how rare that is).

As for the patches having so many "caveats" in order to work well.....I think I could read the instructions. Again, I say, send me ONE free sample and I will try them and report back, honestly.
Laura in the OC
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 | 08:29 PM
ED..... you're hilarious, but spot on, as usual.
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