The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 | 05:47 PM
"We athletes too stupid to know what work."

Thanks Scott Miles. You just proved it.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 | 12:51 AM
Scott Miles said:

"I like the fact that David Schmidt doesn't have the schooling."

Putting aside how silly that statement is, how do you feel about "Dr." Schmidt LYING about having the schooling? That bother you at all?
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 | 01:29 PM
Scott Miles,

"Have you guys ever tried the patches?"

Scott, why would you possibly want to try Lifewave patches, when the Harmony Chip does soooooo much more, and lasts for 10 years rather than merely a single day? Both come with money back guarantees and oodles of testimonials.

"We athletes too stupid to know what work."

The papers are full of stories about athletes who have been SCAMMED for big money by various con artists, or who otherwise squandered away the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars that they made. Can you say, "Mike Tyson"? http://articles.news.aol.com/sports/_a/tyson-flat-broke-banks-on-an-epic/20040727084309990001
Travis
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 | 01:07 PM
It's not a placebo. A friend of mine participated in a demonstration and he thought he had the patch, but actually the polarity was backward, which made him really weak instead of strong. He thought it would make him stronger, but it made him weaker. Then they switched to polarity and he was able to lift more weight than he did without the patch or especially with th e patch polarization backward. These things really do work.
jayessell
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 | 05:14 PM
<b>Travis:</b>

Repairman:
Yep, here's your problem. Someone set this thing to "Evil".


The Simpsons
Treehouse of Terror III
Clown without Pity


But seriously...

This sounds like a suitable subject for a double-blind test with Positive, Negative and Control groups.
The problem?
Formulating a Placebo without accidently creating a new-age health product.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 | 05:38 PM
Travis

"These things really do work."

And you are going to stake your, ahem, "reputation" on this?

Suffer the little children.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 | 07:03 PM
WWSN: "The United States Patent Office refused to give the phony Dr. David Schmidt a patent, because there is NO legitimate science behind his bogus nontransdermal resonant energy transfer nanotechnology cell phone glycerin and honey patches."

As I've stated here before, whether the Patent Office grants a patent has virtually nothing to do with whether a product is real or fake. Demonstrating that a product works as claimed, or is backed by previously known science, is simply not part of the patent process. In most cases the Patent Office limits its inquiry to whether the product is "nonobvious." A product that has zero science behind it would be quintessentially nonobvious, and would therefore receive a patent in many cases.

In the case of the Lifewave patent application the Patent Office has cited other reasons, unrelated to whether the product has any legitimate science behind it, for repeatedly rejecting the application.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 | 07:14 PM
Lifewave, however, remains bogus. A scam. A hoot. A joke. A knee slapper for anyone who took a high school physics course. A tragicomedy. A complete fraud. MLM at its worse. A case study in why MLM is banned in some countries such as China. (http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/ChinaoutlawsMLM.html )
Mr T
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 | 08:51 PM
Hi
Just heard of this product.
There is a DVD called "What the bleep do we know" watch it.We only use 8% of our brain capacity and it doesn't matter if the product works or not if you are using your 8% towards discrediting products rather than living whilst the clients of lifewave products seem to be making the most of there lives indicates you do not have much of a life and might need to try the product on your brain to see if it really works.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 | 12:48 AM
Mr. T. said:

"We only use 8% of our brain capacity and it doesn't matter if the product works or not if you are using your 8% towards discrediting products rather than living whilst the clients of lifewave products seem to be making the most of there lives indicates you do not have much of a life and might need to try the product on your brain to see if it really works."

The notion that we only use 8% of 105 of our brain's capacity is scientifically discredited nonsense. There's NO scientific validation for that.

Besides, what evidence do you have that "the clients of lifewave products seem to be making the most of there [sic] lives"?

You're not a big fan of FACTS are you, Mr. T.?
John_Tigers
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 | 03:30 PM
To be fair, I really couldnt care if the things work or not. At the end of the day, I believe that any products, of whom's producers cannot justify HOW they work, should not be allowed onto the commercial market - even if indeed many people survied testify as to their effectiveness. Low energy, getting fat (like a great number of people), pain relief etc can all be either solved by a good, normal, indeed medically justifiable diet of calculated proportions - or by not injuring yourself in the first place. Anybody who wants to try and up their performance should try that before using these patches that may or may not work, because diet and determination get you on top of your game, things like this make you feel like you are on top of it.
John Witt
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 | 05:25 PM
I just noticed this site. I confess I have not read all the posts, but I just completed my research using Lifewave patches on active women. Using 30 (15 active/15 placebo) participants I measured VO2 max and RER during a 20 min 60-70% max (RER measures perecent fat/carbs burned during exercise) both with and without wearing them. Since I separated the trials by two weeks I also had them wear the patches every other day and then measured any change in weight or percent body fat. There were no differences in any variables between active or placebo patches. I presented this as a poster at this month's ACSM conference and will write the manuscript / attempt to publish in the next few months.

John
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 | 05:32 PM
Well over three years into this scam one thing is clear.

The authorities who are supposed to keep a wary eye out for such money making scams are totally overwhelmed or just not interested in such small fry.

I guess the moral of the story is that if you have an idea of how to bilk the public of their hard earned cash, and you feel lucky, go for it!

What a sad state of affairs to be sure.
Caliman
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 | 12:33 PM
What is really sad with this forum is that there is thousands of people from all over the globe that their lives have been given back to them because of the usage of the Icewave. This patch is an incredible patch that helps their pain immediately. Even getting rid of it where people have been in pain for years with nothing helping and the Icewave did within seconds. Many pain management doctors are using them in their practices from many countries. The muscle patch is an extrodinary patch in it's own and the results are amazing. YAGE patches have done many great things for man people I know personally. The patches have blood and urine test backing the levels of glutathione and carnosine the body produces. What I have found in the United States is that this is not a holistic country. Some people are but most are not. Other countries are more holistic and understand eastern "medicine" and therefore understand the patches. This country is a pill popping go see the medical doctors for everything country. And those people will not live long because of it. In hence, the majority of every American is compromised with some type of daily prescription medication. This is absolutely sickening to me. And further tells me that most Americans are not too bright in the health maintainance catagory.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 | 01:56 PM
Caliman, you make many statements in your posting, but you don't back any of them up. The fact is that the patches violate the known laws of physics and simply CANNOT work.

This whole thing about other cultures being more "open" to holistic medicine, etc. is nonsense. Are there "alternative" rules of physics in other countries? There would have to be for small plastic non-invasive patches containing glycerine and water or whatever to have any effect on the human body.

Basically, this crap about holistic this and alternative that is a way out of having to explain how these things supposedly work. It isn't that the damn things don't work. Oh no, not at all It's that our poor closed Western minds just don't understand.

If you believe that these things do anything other than via the placebo effect, don't spout gibberish, tell us how they work. What's the scientific explanation for them?

Oh, but there I go, being all closed-minded and Western again.
jayessell
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 | 05:34 PM
Oh yes, <b>enlightened</b> Eastern Cultures....

<i>Gandhi's opposition to modern technology, including modern medicine, took odds turns. He didn't want his wife to take life-saving penicillin, because it would be administered with a hypodermic needle. He did, however, allow himself to be treated with quinine and even to be operated on for appendicitis.</i>


(Holistic medicine was good enough for OTHER PEOPLE,
but when he was sick he wanted THE REAL THING!
Supposedly, this is the same credo of China's ruling class.)

http://www.triviahalloffame.com/gandhi.aspx
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 | 06:23 PM
Caliman said:
"This country is a pill popping go see the medical doctors for everything country. And those people will not live long because of it.

If "eastern medicine" is so advanced, please explain why the average life expectancy of people in western nations is so much higher than that of eastern nations.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 | 03:42 PM
Caliman

I, for one, would like to know a little more about you. Perhaps you could change my mind in thinking you are nothing more than a LifeWave distributor hoping to make money from people's ignorance and gullibility.

As CMG has stated, where are your references for the doctors all around the world using the LifeWave scam products. How do you personally know these doctors?

A long time ago, on this forum thread, I placed the reference to research conducted on pain using saline as a placebo/treatment.

The effects of the saline were dramatic and quantifiable. The subjects were relieved of their pain...BUT it was a PLACEBO.

Patches...PLACEBO.

What part of this documented reality don't you get?
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 | 12:31 AM
Caliman,

I'll bet you $1000 you can't produce a single one of those "thousands of people from all over the globe that their lives have been given back to them because of the usage of the Icewave" who can consistently tell the difference between a "real" LifeWave patch and a fake placebo patch merely by the effect that person feels from the patch, under test conditions that we agree upon in advance.
idiot watcher
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 04:03 PM
ya know... ive known some idiots in my time ,,, but after watching this site for over 2 years... one thing is very clear... EDHUK , joel , capt al , media guy and a couple others are ,, by FAR , the biggest retards i have EVER come across......

Let me tell you guys what you really are when it comes to lifewave.... your the cavemen throwing rocks at the monolith.... something so beyond your mental understanding ,, that it must be wrong.

You have no idea how much entertainment all you buffoons have provided me all this time....

keep your ignorant act up boys....

and dave ... run along and spade a cat or something ,, will you ?
Greg Simpson
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 04:24 PM
Although I don't post, I still watch this forum with interest and receive email notifications. I was sucked in by Lifewave and had to conquer my greed before I would admit it was an obvious scam. Don't give up guys, you are doing a great job and I love reading your answers to the aggressive imbeciles who refuse to admit it is all just a big con playing on peoples ignorance and greed.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 04:53 PM
idiot watcher said:

"ya know... ive known some idiots in my time ,,, but after watching this site for over 2 years... one thing is very clear... EDHUK , joel , capt al , media guy and a couple others are ,, by FAR , the biggest retards i have EVER come across......

"Let me tell you guys what you really are when it comes to lifewave.... your the cavemen throwing rocks at the monolith.... something so beyond your mental understanding ,, that it must be wrong."

Well, since you are our mental superior, perhaps you'd indulge us by explaining exactly how LifeWave works. Feel free to use small words, just so you explain it scientifically.

How do small plastic patches containing glycerine and water increase energy in the human body? I mean, you MUST know since you're ridiculing US for NOT knowing. Remember, the placebo effect doesn't count.

By the way, shouldn't a genius like yourself know how to use punctuation correctly?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 05:24 PM
idiot watcher

So kind of you to share your interesting insights with us as well as your admission to being a voyeur!

Perhaps, if you are from a non English speaking country, we can forgive your spelling and grammar mistakes.

"...your the..."

you're...the poster who appears under various names from time to time in an attempt to hook a few more hapless souls into believing this scam is for real.

You have failed miserably up to now and I have read nothing that will change that situation.

I would be interested to learn what spading a cat involves. I presume a cat, a spade and some parcel of land to use the spade on!

If, as I suspect, you meant "spay" a cat, you continue with your rather odd insistence that I am a veterinarian.

Sorry to disappoint you, I am not and the law in this neck of the woods insists on a person being a veterinarian in order to spay and neuter.

So, "idiot watcher", and I use those words in the sense of a watcher (a voyeur) who clearly is an idiot, perhaps you can enlighten us further and let us in on the secret of your apparent huge success selling LifeWave patches.

I'm sure there will always be people out there willing to believe your sales pitch.

It's no different than any other scam.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 05:27 PM
Greg Simpson
in Lismore, Australia

Thanks for your kind words Gregg. It's always interesting to hear from people in other countries who have been subjected to the "magic" of the LifeWave patches.

If you have time perhaps you could share with us how LifeWave has been attempting to make inroads into the Australian market.

Cheers,

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 | 05:54 PM
In the meantime, Greg, I've read the following:

http://www.nanopatch.co.za/testimonials.html

This would appear to be LIFEWAVE AUSTRALIA PTY. LTD.

The same LIFEWAVE AUSTRALIA PTY. LTD. listed on page 67 of this document:

http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/ASIC20_07.pdf/$file/ASIC20_07.pdf

ASIC GAZETTE Commonwealth of Australia Gazette
ASIC 20/07, Tuesday, 22 May 2007
Company/Scheme deregistrations Page 67 of 82

So, I guess that little business dream wasn't quite the "magic" it was hoped to be. Never mind, there are plenty more suckers around. In fact, I'd heard there was one born every minute...then there's always idiot watcher! Maybe he can buy up all the unsold stock of patches?
Thomas
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 | 07:29 PM
Hungarian Olympic champion canoeist Gyorgy Kolonics died last week during training for Beijing. He was wearing Lifewave pathches.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 | 08:05 PM
Thomas in Australia

I guess LifeWave will have to place a disclaimer on the box.

"Not known to reduce heart vessel plaque" !

Go figure!
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 | 11:05 PM
DAVID SCHMIDT SAYS, "STOP ME BEFORE I KILL AGAIN."

If I recall correctly, Lifewave distributors/supporters had previously explained (and here I paraphrase), "You probably didn't feel any effect from the patches because you're not in good enough physical condition." Perhaps this poor fellow was in such excellent physical condition that the patches had too much effect, i.e., Lifewave patches killed Gyorgy Kolonics. Perhaps if you're in great shape, Lifewave patches can kill you.

Or maybe Gyorgy Kolonics' death is a tragic example of what can happen when somebody is suffering from undiagnosed reverse polarity, to use the horsey doctor Lauren DeRock's theory, but puts the patches on exactly as the instructions say to do (which is therefore the wrong way) thus creating a fatal counterswirling enery vortex at a critical Chakra point which actually blocks the flow of Chi rather than enhances it.

The news reports say that Kolonics may have died due to plaque in his arteries. Personally, I don't believe that Lifewave patches killed Gyorgy Kolonics. But that's using that silly Western science and that even sillier logic, isn't it?

Are we now going to hear from Lifewave believers who say, "I don't trust that stuff about Kolonics dying of clogged arteries. That's based on western science, and it's what the pharmaceutical companies WANTS you to believe. You people need to open your minds to the possibility that Lifewave patches killed Gyorgy Kolonics, via a mechanism that you people are all too stupid to understand."
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 | 03:57 PM
I always knew that eventually there would be a defective batch of Lifewave patches that instead of instructing cells to burn more fat they would cause them to shut down completely.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 | 05:31 PM
Or maybe the LifeWave patches are becoming sentient, and plotting to kill us all....

😊
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 | 05:38 PM
I, for one, welcome our new LifeWave overlords.
Jeff
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 | 06:38 PM
Well, I have been involved with this company since before it was even Lifewave (Bioforce)and I am the eternal skeptic. I have used them since 2004, I am a amateur 47 Y.O. triathlete. I wanted to make sure no negative side effects transpired and they had real efficacy before I had anyone use them, so I have used every patch they offer except the weight loss patch and have weighed carefully the results over the years. My findings? It's a mixed bag. Some people have absolutely no discernable effect. I think I know why in most cases but in some I have no idea. The sleep patches gave me horrible living color nightmares-something was definitely happening there but not what I wanted. In the years I have been using the energy patches I have been on the podium 3 times in my triathalon races-bear in mind I am an accountant who sits at my desk 8-12 hours a day and I ride a entry level bike-not a tri bike. Dont get me wrong, I work out hard but I believe the patches do have impact, but there are important things to check and do to insure they will give you results and I feel there are things that can be done to enhance the effect. I utilize all these factors and feel fairly certain there is something to the Lifewave effect. There are numerous cases of pro's using these patches but interestingly enough many do not continue to use them and I'm not sure why. When Lifewave was first released I felt certain that if there was anything to it, it would be a matter of months and most every pro endurance athlete would be using it-somewhat like Gatorade, yet this has still not happened-which still gives me pause to wonder....
jayessell
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 | 07:34 PM
I'm reminded of this:

http://cectic.com/003.html

He was wearing socks.
Did his socks kill him?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 | 08:33 PM
Page 231 and still going "strong".

The laughable "Dr." Schmidt provides more entertainment than a week in Las Vegas.

Peddling his quakery where he can make a buck. Curves gym, wherever...he doesn't care. Why should he?

From the very outset, the bold faced liar, David Schmidt, has demonstrated his total lack of concern for the welfare of his fellow man...or for his wife and children for that matter. They were offloaded a while back in favor of the new and exciting LA lifestyle.

From time to time we get to read posts from apparently "genuine" users of the patches.

Jeff, above, certainly comes across well.

ALL of the buzzwords are there:

"...I am the eternal skeptic."

So no-one could fool you then?

"I wanted to make sure no negative side effects transpired and they had real efficacy before I had anyone use them..."

A very warm human caring approach. I'm getting to like this guy.

"...so I have used every patch they offer except the weight loss patch..."

Oh Jeff. Such a promising start and you blew it at the first hurdle!

The value of your good work = ZERO! Haven't you read any of the previous 230 pages of this diatribe?

"My findings? It's a mixed bag."

Unfortunately Jeff, you have NO "findings". You have some thoughts and subjective feelings that you have committed to print.

Objective, verifiable, repeatable, of value in any scientific useful sense...NO.

Your words are not totally without merit and value, however.

Yep, someone out there will read your post in the context of this whole argument and think maybe there is something to the patches after all.

The company is still around and surely that MUST mean something?

It MUST, right?
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 | 04:10 PM
The police have arrested a New Age healer named "Dr. David" who was an expert in alternative medicine. The guy has a bushy gray beard that makes him look kinda like Dr. Weil. Or maybe even a bit like Dr. Haltiwanger.

Seems "Dr. David" was actually one of the most prolific mass murderers of our time. Real name: Radovan Karadzic.

What does that tell you about the New Age woo woo movement - that a guy who's actually a mass murderer can successfully pass himself off as an alternative medicine healer? And was it mere coincidence that he was a phony "Dr. David" like a particular phony Dr. David that we all know and love?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 | 04:23 PM
Jeff, the thing is, for something to be "proven" to work in a scientific manner, there needs to be scientific proof of how it works.

That doesn't mean it doesn't work for you, it just means that it isn't a reproducible consistent testable result, and shouldn't be sold as if there is any expectation that it WILL work.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 | 09:30 PM
*yawn* I haven't stopped by in probably 6 months, yet it's still the same old same old.

Jeff, have you also "paused to wonder" how lifewave could be around for so many years yet produce not 1 study showing their effectiveness in a double blind study?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 | 09:53 PM
Razela,

Nice of you to drop by.

Yep, things haven't changed much and I don't suppose they will until Schmidt is decorating the walls of a cell with the plans for his next "invention"!

Meanwhile, you dropping by made me think of an old LifeWaver that we haven't mentioned for a while.

Our good buddy Rich Lang. We all remember the enthusiasm Rich had for LifeWave and all things LifeWave.

Well, seems Rich has found yet another "miracle" product to peddle.

http://www.maxmvp.com/115290/

Rich is still peddling LifeWave as well, but on a much simpler website. Gone are the flashy days when he got started.

Really all pretty pathetic Rich and yet I guess you make some kind of a living!

!
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 | 07:43 PM
Rich Lang's site (http://www.sozomax.com/cgi-bin/d.cgi/115290/contact.html) says:

"This product, in my opinion, represents the single most important breakthrough in health that I will witness in my lifetime. I believe it will revolutionize, change, and transform the practice of medicine world-wide and make Dr. Robert Keller more famous than Jonas Salk who created the polio vaccine.
Edmond Devroey MD
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 | 07:22 PM
In an interview with Suzanne Somers David Schmidt claims (quote) The light enters our eye and travels through the optical nerve around the center of our brain into the pineal where it is filtered and then travels through the rest of our bodies. (end quote)
In fact:
1- Light does not travel the optical nerve, only nerve impulse do.
2 - There is no "light filter" in the pineal.
3 - The pineal gland is activated to produce melatonin
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 | 09:41 PM
And why shouldn't Suzanne Sommers take money for promoting Lifewave?

When Steve Garvey promoted a scam diet called Enforma that was later proven to be a scam (http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2002-10-23/article/15590?headline=Lawyer-Steve-Garvey-believed-in-diet-ad-claims), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals essentially said that because he didn't have enough scientific knowledge to evaluate the product claims (i.e., as long as he was stupid and uneducated enough), he couldn't be held liable for any of the false statements that he made while reading the Enforma script. See http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/showquestion.asp?faq=2&fldAuto=96, http://www.venable.com/press_releases.cfm?action=view&press_release_id=185
So if you're a celebrity without scientific training, you can promote scam products pretty much all you want without any legal risk to you.

What do you want to guess Suzanne Sommers' attorneys told her about whether she would be considered sufficiently uneducated in science under the law to qualify for "Steve Garvey stupidity immunity"?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 | 10:00 PM
Bob,

I never cease to be amused at the latest twists and turns of the LifeWave scam. Schmidt certainly has a way with the ladies!

The Somers book will certainly help her to avoid being "...a drain on the system..."

The wording is a little odd in places, though. For example:

"It would be great if they could understand and attribute this nondrug regimen to my fantastic health and sharp thinking and provide it free of charge to all our citizens."

Forgive me if I'm not quite getting your point Ms Somers as I'm sure my thinking isn't quite as "sharp" as yours, but shouldn't the paragraph read:

"It would be great if they could understand, and attribute, my fantastic health and sharp thinking to this nondrug regimen and provide it free of charge to all our citizens."

So glad to see you are using the same proofing services as the learned "Dr." David Schmidt.

Oh, Ms Somers, if only you had even the slightest clue about what you've gotten mixed up with.

So sad, so very sad.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 | 10:18 PM
Ms Somers. Would you be kind enough to inform us where you obtained your medical degree and where your practice is?

"I practice BREAKTHROUGH MEDICINE".

Perhaps it's a case of "Dr." Schmidt sounded impressive so I thought I might just...

"Nobody is thriving."

I thought you just got through telling us you felt "...in fantastic health..."

"Over a period of weeks I had the opportunity to spend hours and hours probing their fantastic brains to get a sense of their individual passions."

Mmmm, sounds rather personal...just what the readers will want!

My my.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 | 01:02 AM
Edmond Devroey MD said:

"In fact:
1- Light does not travel the optical nerve, only nerve impulse do.
2 - There is no 'light filter' in the pineal.
3 - The pineal gland is activated to produce melatonin
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 | 05:59 PM
Of course you all remember Suzanne Somers from that old sitcom called Three's Company. I think she played herself.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 | 08:57 PM
Captain Al.

Chrissy Snow:

Ah yes, the good old days. When T&A;was all that was necessary. Come to think of it, nothing's changed really has it?

"This ditzy blonde is always lovable with her heart of gold and naivet
inconvenient
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 | 07:13 PM
LifeWave leave alot of inconvenient questions unanswered, for example:

Why has there been zero publicity around the use of the patches by competing athletes at the 2008 Olympics?

Why are athletes who used the patches in 2004/2005 no longer using the patches?

Persons who are getting results, are also getting the same results using different patches, but the company will not comment on this. Are we dealing with the same patches in different packages?

They talk about no side effects because nothing enters the body. But if this is Yin and Yang based, then surely something that boosts performance levels and recovery rates beyond that which the human body can normally support, will have long term damaging effects to one's health. Once again, no comments on this inconvenient question.

Pain relief in minutes. This is nothing new in the world of acupressure. The pain pens have been around for years that also remove/reduce pain within minutes. These pain pens only cost around $60 and will last you a good couple of years and you can share them with friends whenever they have a need. Alot cheaper than $100 per month for patches.

Lifewave introduced the hot patch and then quietly removed it from the market. Apparantly an attempt to introduce an existing product in a different packaging. We are waiting to see when they attempt the same trick again.

And what about the naive affiliates in different countries promoting the products and earning commissions on those sales. If ever claims are issued regarding damaging effects of the patches, then these poor affiliates will be held liable in their countries and not the LifeWave company. Why? Because where the product is not registered for retailing then the product is sold "for personal use only". So the company is protected. But because the affiliate is earning on the sale, the affiliate is the actual distributor who is liable for damages.

Any affiliate who values his or her reputation should be demanding answers to these questions from their sponsor, mentors and the LifeWave company.

Until these questions are answered properly, the LifeWave business is potentially financially dangerous for affiliates and the products are potentially dangerous for the health of users.

Excessive use to relieve pain, raise performance, speed up recovery is stretching the body and will damage your health in the long term. Perhaps sooner than later when you look at the number of athletes that no longer use the products.

We know who these athletes are so maybe it is time that an investigating body ask them the inconvenient questions and publish the results. Let's start with David Beckham and the players of Real Madrid.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 | 07:37 PM
Inconvenient.

Lots of good points which we have discussed many times on the thread. We have especially pushed the point about distributor liability if/when the s*** hits the fan.

The kind of people who get swept up in the LifeWave scam are not interested in the "inconvenient truth".

So, we keep adding to this thread in the vain hope that at some stage it will serve as a record of a scam artist in action.

Some hope eh!

Dave
Christina
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 | 09:07 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm......... I guess one should try the patches before spending three years in debate over them! Don't know if they work or if they don't. I haven't tried them. One thing for sure, David had diff. created a lot of energy about his patches here!

Chow
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 | 06:23 PM
Christina, what is your reasoning behind thinking you should try something before you can be sure whether or not it works?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 | 03:55 PM
Christina
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Christina,

It gets much harder to post replies to your type of comment. Just summoning up the energy to reply feels like a waste of time.

YET, there just might be a few genuine folks who read this thread, and still haven't heard of this SCAM. These words are for them.

From time to time we have posters, just like you, who state "You can't knock it if you haven't tried it".

Presumably YOU have tried arsenic, rat poison, a poke in the eye with a sharp stick and jumping off the Eiffel Tower, just to name a few things.

This thread, now on page 232, is littered with comments just like yours. The logic didn't work then and it doesn't now.

As Bob stated, it is up to any company selling me something to prove it is safe and does what it claims it does.

David Schmidt has abandoned his family in Atlanta and made a new LA life for himself and whoever is his latest squeeze.

Every night he goes to bed KNOWING for certainty that his patches can never harm anyone because they don't do anything at all. He also knows that he is a thief pure and simple. He has no ethical or moral standards so he is still able to sleep like a baby.

Schmidt will continue to milk this SCAM for as long as he can. Free enterprise at work!

Don't you feel proud to be an American!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 | 07:26 AM
LifeWavers have often pointed to accupuncture as a "tried and tested" treatment. They have glibly mentioned "meridians" as a way of inferring that using the non-transdermal patches somehow taps into the "magic" of accupuncture without the use of needles.

We are currently in the last month of the Presidential election cycle and following each debate the truth checkers report on the factual basis of statements made by each candidate.

Interesting piece in this weeks eSkeptic from The Skeptics Society where Dr. Hall would beg to disagree.

Dr. Hall presents some truth checking on statements widely made, and often accepted, about accupuncture.


Puncturing the Acupuncture Myth
by Harriet Hall, M.D.

"Note: Part of this article was adapted from a PowerPoint presentation prepared by the late Dr. Robert Imrie. It
Nanoman
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 | 09:32 PM
Happy 4th Birthday Lifewave!!... and still growing every day.

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/lifewave.com/?metric=uv

Hey Ed. Its been 4 yrs and we are still waiting for a study to prove that the patches do not work.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 | 12:42 AM
"Hey Ed. Its been 4 yrs and we are still waiting for a study to prove that the patches do not work."

Or looking at it another way (the RIGHT way), it's been four years and we're still waiting for a study that shows that the patches DO work...or do ANYTHING for that matter.

Oh, I forgot, "non-invasive" patches which contain water and glycerine are MAGICAL and don't conform to the laws of physics and therefore cannot be tested by science.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 | 05:59 AM
"...and still growing every day"

Well, sort of.

In looking at the link kindly provided by Nanoman, we see the Suzanne Summers effect. In the fullness of time that effect will no doubt subside.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 | 06:40 PM
Hey Nanoman. It has now been more than 3 years since you promised us on August 23, 2005:

"Here is the truth about Lifewave . . . 3. Now that the company has been around for almost a year, Independent clinical studies are currently being conducted by top scientists and Doctors from around the world. Some of these scientists have published over 100 articles in peer reviewed journals. The results of these studies will be published in about 4 months."

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P460/

We're still waiting for a single independent study to appear in a peer-reviewed journal, let alone by a "top" scientist or doctor. What happened to all of those studies?

(And no, studies by companies like Fenestra Research which publicly admits that they falsified test data for their customers such as Lifewave, do not count as "independent" studies).
http://www.fenestraresearch.com/ ("Notice: Fenestra Research Labs have recently been made aware that some of our published studies have been modified or falsified.")
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 | 07:23 PM
Nanoman, you want proof that Lifewave patches don't work?

I'd say that the fact that, of all those studies you referred to which were being conducted by "top" scientists and doctors, not one of those studies ever got published in a real scientific or medical journal, is pretty good proof that the patches don't work as advertised. It's pretty good proof that Lifewave is a SCAM, and that the phony "Dr." David Schmidt is a brazen scam artist.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 | 09:48 PM
Joel,

One thing we do know about LifeWavers is that they don't need facts to substantiate their bold claims.

Nanoman, just like all the others, is adept at rationalization (putting it kindly) or just plain lying through the teeth (a well known con man technique).

Bona fide studies will NEVER illustrate the effectiveness of these worthless patches while endorsements from the attractive (well not quite as much these days) Summers will bring temporary interest to the LifeWave website and upswing in website hits. (Let's not forget that an upswing in hits doesn't necessarily translate into sales of the product).

This scam will drag on and on until somebody gets irritated enough to do something about it. It appears that LifeWave has never reached the level of super scam that hits the headlines.

Green pills that make your car do more miles to the gallon shot right up there like a rocket attracting a lot of attention. It made the Texas attorney general take note much to BioPerformance's anoyance!

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/4174/

So, I guess "Dr." David Schmidt is going to have to step it up a notch in order to gain some serious attention. More attention than our humble musings on this thread!

You can do it David! For goodness sake, you single handedly (with the help of the wife and kids and family dog) started out in your humble kitchen in Atlanta mixing the very ingredients that would make a Nobel Prize winner proud. Surely it's time for another big "breakthrough"?

Yes/no? Anybody?

Cheers Joel,

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 | 09:00 PM
WHY LIFEWAVE OFFERS A MONEY-BACK GUARANTEE

Lifewave supporters have stated here before that the Lifewave money-back guarantee is evidence that the product is genuine. Actually, the money-back guarantee is evidence that the product is a scam, because virtually all scam products are sold with a money-back guarantee. The reason: Giving complaining consumers their money back helps the scammers avoid criminal convictions for fraud.

Example: Steve Warshak, the guy behind those
jayessell
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 | 07:25 PM
Is your cat online all day while you are at work?

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk315/eclctcmnd/computer-1-1.jpg

Protect your pet from harmful radiation by sticking magic crystals on the PC and monitor.

http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/antirad.htm

Note: It does not erase disks or harm the computer as they operate on 'science' and these operate on 'magic'.



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