MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

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Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 \| 02:04 AM Heh, I could get use to that. I so want to get a phd in economics one day. Oh, I can dream, can't I?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 \| 07:54 AM Razela The young Schmidt boy used to dream about making a great deal of money one day. His dream has come true despite his lies, deceit and general trickery. He certainly sets a wonderful example to the young wannabes of today. If you fake it they will come!
hcmom	Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 \| 10:15 AM I see things haven't progressed too far since I was here last... Have there been any new studies published in well-known medical journals, or is it all still based on the fact that people buy them, so they must work?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 \| 02:32 PM hcmom said: "Have there been any new studies published in well-known medical journals, or is it all still based on the fact that people buy them, so they must work?" Take a wild guess. Oh, there's also "The government hasn't shut us down yet, so we MUST be legit."
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 \| 08:03 PM hcmom "I see things haven't progressed too far since I was here last..." Not according to "Dr." David Schmidt. He now has other irons in the fire since your last visit. David has found alternative uses for his face lift system. It's now packaged for the military and takes pride of place on his new (yet another) website. http://www.lifewavenc.com/ Enjoy reading about the miracle that is the DefenseWave patch. The current paragraph on the DefenseWave patch is a rewrite after the errors and typos were highlighted (free of charge I might add) on this forum. The paragraph used to include statements still on the pdf of the brochure but have mysteriously disappeared. Some incredible claims. "May protect against hearing loss due to noise exposure" (Presumably only if you put the patches over your ears to attenuate the gunfire!) "...helps the body fight off viruses and other types of infections such as malaria." "...protect the cells from exposure to radioactive substances." (That could prove very handy! I wonder if Schmidt will be selling the patch as a sunburn prevention system any time soon?) Check out the News page and see that the latest news comes from June 2006 ONE YEAR AGO! Surely there must be something more current to report on? But, then again, LifeWave continues to use testimonials from 2005 so perhaps that isn't so strange. "As of today LifeWave NC
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 \| 08:16 PM Re: David Schmidt He was Director of Research and Development/Principal for Advanced Applications Group, Inc. While with AAG, Inc., he investigated hydrogen producing aluminum/catalytic alloys, multi-fuel bladeless turbine, and On Demand chemical oxygen supply. Anybody know who AAG is? Contact # etc.
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 \| 02:35 PM According to their website (http://www.aagideas.com): Advanced Applications Group, Inc. 103 Chestatee Industrial Park Drive Dahlonega, GA 30533-5953 Phone: 706-867-8875 Fax: 706-864-6222 .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) Their "Technology" page does not mention any of the things that David Schmidt supposedly "investigated" while at AAG. I guess not much came of Schmidt's work there, other than a string of patent applications by Schmidt that were all rejected by the Patent Office. According to the Georgia Secretary of State: Advanced Applications Group, Inc. Control No. K410135 Corporation formed April 18, 1994 Status: in good standing Principal Address: 103 Chestatee Industrial Park Drive Dahlonega GA 30533 Don Nelson, CEO, CFO, and agent for service of process (same address) Charles Rogers, Secretary (same address)
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 \| 02:15 AM This may be as close as we've ever gotten to seeing a C.V. from David Schmidt: http://www.lifewave.k1968.com/products.pdf David G. Schmidt 1985 B.B. A. Management Information Systems 1985 Graduate studies: Biology Self-educated in electrochemistry, combined cycle turbine system, combustion engineering, metallurgy and nutrition Honorary Doctorate for accomplishments in metallurgy and genetics 1988-1998 PAI, Inc. Norcross, GA Vice President/Principal 1998-2002 Advanced Applications Group, Inc., Dahlonega, GA Director of Research and Development/Principal etc. As perhaps an advance glimpse into the next innovation that will be coming out of the energy production laboratories of Advanced Applications Group, AAG is the proud registrant of http://www.pooptopower.com.
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 \| 02:46 AM Comments on David Schmidt
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 \| 04:13 AM More of David Schmidt
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 \| 06:13 PM Joel, How interesting to see something resembling a CV after all these years and for the Japanese market! David obviously felt it was not necessary to provide a CV for the American market. I've heard of padding your resume, but, really! How will this man ever settle down to a real job when this latest scam is finished, or finished for him? ?
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 \| 12:40 AM I love that he enrolled in graduate studies with an associates degree. Can you even do that without bachelor's? Of course, he never actually got his Biology degree, he just enrolled. Dropped out maybe?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 06:02 PM MEANWHILE: Some of the LifeWave distributors are a little behind the curve. http://cmyhero.com/ "NEW Glutathione Anti-Aging Patch System That Removes Fine Lines And Wrinkles In 3-8 Weeks ! Now We Have For The First Time Ever,"BeautyFrom The Inside Out" The "Master Antioxidant" Glutathione Is Released Naturally And Results In Rapid Liver Detoxification And Is Seeing People Eliminate Nicotine That Has Been In Their Body For 20 Years !" "...And Is Seeing People Eliminate Nicotine That Has Been In Their Body For 20 Years !" Apparently, according to Ken, the glutathione can "see" people eliminate nicotine! Of course it's only word play and we know that LifeWavers aren't too fussy about spelling and grammer etc. Let's get all the ducks in a row. Schmidt has moved on with the glutathione miracle, as we have seen in yet another website: http://www.lifewavenc.com/ Now it's "DefenseWave" and aimed at the military. Sarge isn't too interested in "beauty from the inside out." He's more interested in staying alive, period. * *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 06:09 PM Looks like our good friend Rich is busy again. http://www.energyrich.com/ Scroll down to: http://www.holographicenergy.com/ http://www.holographicenergy.com/html/relief_hologram.html Now, if I were a skeptical sort of guy, I might think those pictures were the same ones used by LifeWave for their product! Thanks Rich for proving people will apparently buy into ANYTHING! !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 06:28 PM For all you LifeWave diehards: Does any of this info sound familiar? "Enhance your body's performance and health without the use of harmful drugs or chemicals. Anyone who wants peak performance, from the elite athlete, to the weekend warrior, or even the occasional gym visitor, will benefit from the increased strength, stamina, endurance, and rock-solid balance that our holographic action
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 06:30 PM http://www.8ight.com/ View it and weep, or laugh. !
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 06:33 PM One claim only: "The only claim made concerning the holographic Data DiscTM is that they stimulate an energetic response in the body's acupuncture points and meridians. The analogy can be drawn that they have the same energetic capacity to stimulate acupuncture points and meridians like acupuncture needles." Much like LifeWave.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 08:25 PM Rewriting Biology 101 Thank you Rich Land for an entertaining view of the human body: "In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) the Spleen and Stomach meridians are regarded as the "Sea of Qi" (energy) and blood. Food comes into the Stomach for storage, the Spleen transforms and transports the Qi to the Lungs, the Lungs mix the energy with air, the oxidized energy is transported to the Heart for mixing with blood and the excess energy then goes to the Kidneys for storage." Who knew! Much funnier than LifeWave!
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 08:38 PM Warren Hanchey cuts to the chase: http://www.8ight.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=37 "Intention is a powerful tool. Each word lasered onto a holographic disc is selected based on the influence desired (i.e. Sleep, Slim, etc.). The effectiveness of autosuggestion has shown to have a positive benefit." "Today's brain imagery techniques do lend support, to the theory that thoughts and beliefs not only affect one's psychological state, but also cause the body to undergo actual biological changes." Yep, referring back to the study I posted on this thread a while back. http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm PLACEBO effect CAN and DOES bring about demonstrable physiological changes in the human body. So, we're back to my original point. If David Schmidt had started his company by openly selling placebo patches, as Warren Hanchey is now doing, who could have a problem with it, right? So, Schmidt, are you ready to concede you aren't the "inventor" of the century but just a common pedler of placebo patches? Patches that may indeed cause an effect in some people, but NOT via your miracle "invention", rather via users own physiological processes being triggered by thoughts alone. Very interesting. *
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 08:56 PM Oops. "Thank you Rich Land for an entertaining view of the human body:" Of course, it's Rich LANG. This Rich Lang: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P380/ "Guest Speakers Rich Lang Patrick Netter Patrick Rettew" Sorry Rich.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 \| 09:04 PM I've posted too many times on the Holographic discs here so I started a new thread: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/4333/ Hope folks will join me there to contrast and compare LifeWave / Holographic Discs. Cheers, Dave
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 \| 09:11 PM Interesting to see that having been fired as CFO at LifeWave, Warren Hanchey sets up his own scam, in ? his wife's name, but uses the basic LifeWave patches idea. Why reinvent the wheel, right?
Harry Benjamin	Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 \| 10:42 PM Well, if anyone is interested, it seems the positive free radical rest results I got with the glutathione patches are not reliable after all, so at this point I have to conclude that it is at best questionable that they increase glutathione levels, because I would expect a free radical reduction if they did. Again, if I see anything differently in the future I will let anyone interested know, because I still have more testing to do: however, I am not optimistic at this time. I hope that those who have feverishly been critical of the work of this company spend equal time and energy going after more established medical hoaxes that are doing real harm to people. Although these patches may be phony, I don't see them doing any harm except for financial for the most part, as opposed to many accepted and widely used hoaxes out there which are far more serious and insidious. Just my two cents for what its worth.
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 \| 04:58 AM LIFEWAVE DEATHWATCH Bob at WWSN reports that Lifewave is not paying its distributors and vendors, and owes $200,000 to the patch manufacturer, a sign that LifeWave LLC is in deep financial trouble. http://www.worldwidescam.info/lwcrash.htm. According to the Internet traffic metric site Compete.com (http://snapshot.compete.com/lifewave.com), LifeWave website traffic peaked at 16,000+ visitors/month in October 2006, and has fallen steadily since then to 5,000 visitors/month in May 2007. Extrapolating, by September 2007 LifeWave will have no traffic at all. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. It looks like it's finally time to administer last rights to LifeWave.
Harry Benjamin	Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 \| 05:12 AM does anyone know the name of their patch manufacturer? thanks
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 \| 04:24 PM Harry I believe the company is in New Jersey. There's something about it in this thread a while back. I believe someone mentioned Schmidt's brother was involved but I don't know how true that is. Dave
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 \| 12:08 AM LEST WE FORGET (typos and all). BIO DYNAMICS INSTITUTE in San Clemente, CA Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 \| 12:49 PM "We have worked with more world-class athletes in the last 20+ in more sports than virtually anyone else in the sports performance business. We were approached by an MLM "opportunist" wanting to cash in on our years of hard work and contacts. Because we have a performance lab in our headquarters, we were immediately able to test the product. The LifeWave "Representative" left with their tail between their leg. Perhaps the most impressive test that we did, right there in front of the Lifer, was without any type of machinery or electrodes, etc. We gave it the ol' human try. We tested the patch against Ken Baum, author of "THE MENTAL EDGE-Maximize Your Sports Potential with the Mind-Body Connection", the best selling-sports psychology book ever written. Ken was consistantly able to get the subjects to out perform their base performance and their patch results with simple mental exercises and the power of suggestion. When tested against the patch, the athletes were often able to get as much as a 100% increase when coached by Ken with just a short serries of commands and suggestions. While our testing methods may not match that of NASA, or the NIRA, our conclusion led us to PASS on "the patch". In fact, because of the insignificance, we have chosen not to use capital letters when identifying the glorified Band-Aid"
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 \| 09:51 PM MLM "opportunist" wanting to cash in on our years of hard work. "Dr." David Schmidt. Truly a world class act! !
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 \| 03:59 AM What can the wavers say to Bio Dynamics now? They certainly can't say, "Well have you tried the patches?"
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 \| 08:01 AM Captain Al As this thread on the LifeWave patches SCAM drags slowly on, I guess it's fair to say we skeptics have not really been trying to convert LifeWavers. Rather, we have consistently laid out a mass of information leading would be LifeWavers to a single conclusion. LifeWave patches are a hoax. They are sold by a man who once signed as a "Dr." when he is not. They are sold as a new technology invented by a man who used to mix the patch ingredients in his Georgia kitchen, then later in his LA apartment after parting with his wife and children for his new glitzy LA lifestyle. They are sold by a man who reinvents his company every few months along with his company website. A patch once claimed to improve wrinkles is now heralded as a way for the military to be safe from biological agents, radiation, noise! For the LifeWaver die hards,admittedly less and less every day, our words are meaningless. I continue to post for people who may be looking at LifeWave for the very first time. Take a good close look at David Schmidt and his company. Does it really make sense? If it does make sense, take a look at the other "amazing" technologies that have appeared like magic. Fired ex LifeWave management Warren Hanchey's new company selling patches: http://www.8ight.com/ The Yorkshire man from the UK selling his patches that fix just about everything: http://www.harmonyunited.com/start.html?lang_id=16 Have they all stumbled upon the true answer to all that ails us? Or do they have a common theme? Scam anyone? Happy 4th July.
Joel Member	Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 \| 12:08 AM LifeWave website traffic was down another 28% during the month of May, down to 3,535 unique visitors per month. (Source: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/lifewave.com ) Based on that measure, LifeWave remains right on schedule to have zero visitors and be out of business by September. Well, maybe DS will announce an erectile dysfunction patch and breathe some temporary life back into LifeWave. I'm sure he can invent a honey-and-molasses patch that communicates a frequency modulated signal like a tiny little cell phone that tells the body, "Crank it up, boys."
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 \| 02:19 AM I fully expect that, any day now, "Dr." Schmidt will announce the development of an Internet Traffic Increasing patch.
Joel Member	Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 \| 01:11 AM I guess we'll have to wait awhile longer for the erectile dysfunction patch or the Internet Traffic Increasing Patch. Instead, DS has given us an appetite suppressant patch which is so new it's not even on LifeWave's website yet. "SP6 Lifewave patches are 'appetite suppressant' patches. But rather than a chemical or drug going into your body, they act just like acupuncture, but without the needles." http://www.energyrich.com/html/weight_loss.html But what is this? "Eat healthy and lose that weight. . . intelligently reduce your caloric intake. . . Exercise!" (same page). Oh, I guess it's: "You'll lose weight if you wear our patches, when combined with cutting your calories and exercising." It reminds me of Lifewave's beauty patches which fight wrinkles when used used with face cream. I wonder whether the good Dr. Haltiwanger will take advantage of these new weight loss patches, so that we'll soon see the thin man that was previously trapped in Haltiwanger's body. My guess is that the thin man will indeed emerge . . . if Haltiwanger also has the will power to cut his calories and get more exercise.
yup	Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 \| 05:10 AM Joel wrote : It looks like it's finally time to administer last rights to LifeWave. You people were saying this 2 years ago... lol... idiots
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 \| 05:26 PM Yup logic: Longevity = proof of authenticity. Can't argue with that! *
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 \| 07:23 PM And not being convicted or going out of business yet = legitimacy
Anotherone	Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 \| 08:05 PM Interesting how these replies when they don't mention the patches specifically can be applied to real noxious hoaxes such as lipitor and fosomax which not only are bankrupting the country but cause harm to the users.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 \| 10:07 PM Anotherone in USA Interesting comment, but as this hoax forum thread is about the LIFEWAVE PATCHES SCAM perhaps you would like to start a new thread?
Anotherone	Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 \| 05:11 AM didn't get how it worked..thanks
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 \| 06:27 PM The original Lifewave patches supposedly work by telling your body to burn more fat. If so, why would anyone need an appetite suppressant patch?
Jon	Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 \| 07:02 PM back in April '05, Cranky Media Guy retorted to a post by Harmony Hampton... Harmony had valid points, the placibo effect definitly (in my mind) is the "power" behind these patches. But doctors use placibo's too, sometimes they tell patients, other times they dont. And just because if i had headaches and used these patches instead of medical care, that doesnt mean that without these patches i would have saught medical care. to find them for this use, i must have been looking for something OTHER than medical care in the first place. Now i've read several of your posts Cranky Media Guy, and i am sure you are a lazy overweight man blogging from his home-based-internet buisness' pc. I am also sure that you aren't out to rid the world of all placibo's, just to agerly blog about a select few. And just because you felt it nessisary to go after Harmony like you did, i decided to look up your final comment "the Urantia project"... a freekin Scienentology-esk belife structure... shame on you Media Guy... here is the first sentance from the Utrantia book's web site: A Brief Description of The Urantia Book... The Urantia Book, first published by Urantia Foundation in 1955, claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to our planet, Urantia. Many who have read it accept this assertion. P.S. instead of blogging about plastic patches of water and being an a$$ to some girl you dont even know online, maybe you should get off your ass and lose some weight. being overweight will kill you a lot faster than any placibo patch. : ) "TAKE A LOOK"
EDHUK Member	Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 \| 08:54 PM Jon in Vancouver, WA Nice try, but no prize I'm afraid. This HOAX FORUM thread is about the LifeWave patches scam. Attempting to score points by posting misspelled words about posters leads nowhere...a place with which you are probably very familiar. If you have any valid ideas about the LifeWave patches scam, I'm sure we would all be very interested to read them. Otherwise, NEXT please! !
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 \| 12:55 AM Jon, I might take your attempt at insulting me seriously IF I had any idea what you were talking about. You are almost completely incomprehensible, especially when you're talking about the Urantia book. I know what Urantia is, but I have no memory of saying anything about it. I may have, to be sure, but I don't remember it and I can't for the life of me figure out what you think my connection to it is. Are you trying to say that I "insulted" Urantia or that I PRAISED it? I honestly don't know. Also, I'm fascinated to know how you concluded that I am lazy, overweight and blog from my online business' computer. With "psychic" abilities like that, you could probably get your own cable TV show, just like John Edward. You're every bit as "accurate" as him for sure. By the way, do you normally wait two and a half years before responding to something posted on the Internet?
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 \| 12:59 AM yup wrote, "You people were saying this 2 years ago . . . lol . . . idiots." Premature predictions of Lifewave's demise, if yup finds them humorous, pale in comparison compared to Lifewave's claims that it was going to be the next Microsoft. This was from Rich Lang's website http://www.energyrich.com selling Lifewave on Nov. 15, 2004, courtesy of the Wayback Machine: After discussing Microsoft's tremendous growth, "In my opinion, and in my experience, opportunities like this [Lifewave] come once in a lifetime. . . . Unless you purchased FedEx, Home Depot, CocaCola, or a number of other miracle stocks in their infancy, you have also not seen an opportunity like this either." Lifewave has been on the market for nearly 5 years now. So has it made progress in becoming the next Micrsoft, FedEx, Home Depot, or CocaCola? Lifewave has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, as demonstrated by the visitors count. While we're at it, this was from the same web page: "Whoever get their first is going to reap the rewards for a long time." I'm placing my bet that Rich Lang is the same guy who posted all of those comments on this forum, using different screen names, but which all display the same lack of ability to tell "their" from "there." Maybe DS could invent a spelling patch. After all, according to the same web site by Rich Lang, "LifeWave can program any biological message into the patch." I'm sure DS could program patches to give people spelling ability, couldn't he?
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 \| 01:21 AM MORE ON GROUND FLOOR BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES In 2001 and 2002 http://www.energyrich.com hawked something called "Automated Direct Data System" which the site called "the wave of the future." It was some kind of work-at-home wonder opportunity that the site didn't explain, other than referring to a "$427 Billion Industry." The site posted numerous testimonials plus photos from people who attested to the incredible results they achieved (same as Lifewave). They opportunity even came with a money back guarantee (same as Lifewave). The site then went dark for about a year and a half from 2002 to 2004, then emerged as Rich Lang's Lifewave website. So much for incredible business opportunities with testimonials to back them up and money back guarantees. In fairness to Rich Lang, I don't know whether that website was his, or whether he bought that domain after the people hawking Automated Direct Data System shut the site down and let the domain registration expire. But the message remains timeless - a product or "business opportunity" that seems to good to be true, backed up by numerous testimonials and a money back guarantee, probably IS too good to be true. Testimonials and a money back guarantee are elements that you'll find in virtually every scam.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 \| 01:50 AM Joel said: "I'm sure DS could program patches to give people spelling ability, couldn't he?" He sure seems to have programmed them to make some people believe every ridiculous claim he makes for LifeWave.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 \| 05:11 PM Rich Lang represents the many "floaters" looking for big money. Great words of encouragement to join the latest miracle breakthrough with the fervent hope that enough suckers will sign up before the bubble bursts. Rich, how do you sleep at night? Oh, I forgot, you use a LifeWave sleep patch! Seriously though, have you ever considered going legit? A man with as many ideas as you to make a buck must surely think of something legit once in a while purely by accident. Maybe you just get caught up in the excitement of the sting...powerful stuff. And then there's Schmidt the wannabe. Makes you look absolutely virginal! !
Paddywhack Member	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 04:50 AM Firstly let me say I have no involvement with the lifewave people. A PR company sent me a batch of the patches to try out. I'm a sports journalist and also play a variety of sports. I tried them once and they worked. I tried them a second time and they worked again. I've been using them for about a year and my training has benefited. Ancient Chinese medicine has for years been using acupuncture to re-direct positive and negative energy flow around the body, I don
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 11:17 AM Here we go again... Paddywhack, read the whole thread and you'll get all the information you need, both good and bad. You are about the 400th person who has come on here with this same story. Have fun.
Anotherone	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 11:39 AM I did tests to see if the patches decreased free radicals which would happen if glutathione was increased and saw no consistent results. That being said, there is a possibility (within science that is updated to this century) that this type of thing can work. That is why I tried them. Electromagnetic frequencies are where everything takes place and the idea that such frequencies can be held in patches is not far fetched at all--I have in fact seen other things that work. If they worked for you, that's great. Of course, your subjective response is just that and if you were interested in a more objective measure you could figure a way to use a look alike patch that had nothing in it and see if you noticed a difference. However, if something works for you, great.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 03:11 PM Anotherone said: "Electromagnetic frequencies are where everything takes place and the idea that such frequencies can be held in patches is not far fetched at all--I have in fact seen other things that work." Do you understand that there are NO electronic parts and NO moving parts at all inside the patches? The "other things that work" that you may have seen would have had electronic parts in order to utilize "electromagnetic frequencies." There is no way known to science that the LifeWave patches can do what it is claimed they can do. It isn't good enough to say "other things do stuff" to justify the claims made for LifeWave. To sum up: The man who "invented" the LifeWave patches is a liar (he is not a doctor of any kind as he has repeatedly claimed to be). The patches were manufactured in his home, not in a lab or a factory. *The patches CANNOT do what it is claimed they can do. Why would you want to defend this fraud?
Anotherone	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 04:06 PM My response was to the person looking for something that did not work, hence it was not supportive of what you call a "fraud". It may or not be, I was just giving my experience at attempting to see if it worked. As to the electromagnetic issue..water has an electric charge surrounded by a magnetic currect and no electronic parts,,isn't that so? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I always assumed this to be true based on my limited understanding of science and electromagnetic theory. The other things that worked have nothing to do with Lifewave, but theoretically, a patch could work based on my understanding, even though these didn't.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 06:21 PM Anotherone said: "As to the electromagnetic issue..water has an electric charge surrounded by a magnetic currect and no electronic parts,,isn't that so?" Yes, water has a tiny electric but so does just about everything. That does not prove, of course, that everthing has healing powers. Why can't we just pour water on a tumor and make it go away? "The other things that worked have nothing to do with Lifewave, but theoretically, a patch could work based on my understanding, even though these didn't." Well, a patch that had something other than glycerine and molasses in it, perhaps. There are patches that have salve on them to help with burns for example. What is known to be on the LifeWave patches, however, has NO ability to do the things that are claimed for them. The fact that something superficially resembles something else does NOT mean that they are equivalent.
Anotherone	Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 \| 11:19 PM While everything may not have healing powers, water for example can be programmed, as is well known, with different frequencies that then have effects on living things. That being said, whatever is in these patches theoretically could be programmed to have an effect-which is why I tried with no results to use them-but it was theoretically possible.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 \| 12:33 AM Anotherone said: "<i>...water for example can be programmed, as is well known, with different frequencies that then have effects on living things.</i>" That may be well known in woo woo circles but in the real world it's BS. The water molecule does have an inherent resonant frequency that is a direct result of its physical makeup but that cannot be changed. Microwave ovens generate power near this frequency causing the water molecules to speed up and hence get hotter since the speed of atomic particles is directly related to their temperature. There's not much you can do to change water and still have water afterwards. It's a very stable compound. Sorry Anotherone, it's theoretically impossible for Lifewave patches to affect living things. What is possible is that they are a scam dreamed up by a business man with no scientific training whatsoever.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 \| 01:57 AM Anotherone said: "While everything may not have healing powers, water for example can be programmed, as is well known, with different frequencies that then have effects on living things." Um, no. If that was the case, wouldn't you expect to see many "programmed water" products on sale in the supermarkets, department stores and pharmacies? Wouldn't something as simple and seemingly universally helpful as that be all over the place, especially since it would be very cheap to produce and profitable to sell? Captain Al gave you the straight scoop, Anotherone. On a personal note, when I encounter information about something for the first time, as soon as I hear anything about "resonant frequencies," I proceed on the assumption that it's nonsense. Yes, resonant frequencies exist, but most of the time when you hear about them, it's in support of quackery and bad science. If you doubt what we're saying about "programmed water," you might consider calling the physics department of a local college or university to ask a professor about it. You could even call one of the federally-funded science labs. After all, you help pay for them.
Anotherone	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 \| 06:37 AM First off, for the last time, I don't have any interest in Lifewave..I did not find that their patches worked. I was simply having a conversation about what I thought was part of their theory about "programming" or whatever they call it other substances. When I hear about something that may work that is outside my "philosophy" I am generally interested. It is my job to see if things work or not and if they do see if there is application that would be helpful. As this is a board dedicated to critique, I'll leave you to your all knowing criticism. The healthcare in this country will never change now that the masses have been brainwashed. I wish you luck with you reliance on what you think is true, placebos do work to some extent. In the real world, most people are happy to be in what they call mainstream and take comfort in that. Best of luck to you all. But to paraphrase Hamlet talking to Horatio: There's more in this world than is dreamed up in your philosophy. Science can be very disappointing for those who don't want to change. Check out the healthcare numbers in this country. Is it working?
Paddywhack Member	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 \| 09:05 AM Has anyone taken apart the patches to determine exactly what is contained inside them?
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 \| 09:52 AM Anotherone, I didn't say you had any interest in Lifewave. You made incorrect statements about the properties of water and I called you on it. This is not "all knowing critisism", it is fact. Any elementry school science student could could tell you that. I'm truly sorry if the real world does not meet your expectations. Things are as they are and they have been shown to be that way over and over again. If you have evidence to the contrary then please show the world, but be prepared to back it up. The state of healthcare will not be improved by using pseudoscientific nonsense. We take our comfort in knowing anything mainstream has been thoroughly tested by qualified people. That's not brainwashing, it's common sense. It is difficult to get new and revolutionary ideas into the mainstream and rightly so. When it comes to health care we can't afford to make mistakes. If you wish to add new ideas to the mainstream you must put them through the same rigorous process. If they are true they will pass and become part of the mainstream. If they don't, it may be because they are not true. Programmable water does not pass this test.
Anotherone	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 \| 11:06 AM The "real world" does not meet my expectations, but I can take care of myself. It is others I am concerned about. Many years ago there was a drug called ritodrine (sp?) which was shown to be ineffective and potentially harmful. When interivewed the head of Columbia OBgyn (I believe) said, well, we'll keep perscribing it because we have to give them something. I was shocked and my illusion shattered. I have seen this over and over. If you ever looked into the science behind the statin drugs you would be astounded. If these Lifewave people got you going, I don't know what you would do about this! How about Fosomax? The top selling bone density drug. Have any idea how that "works". Its enough to make an honest person want to go out of their minds..especially, when I am dealing day in and day out with these people. How about this...I have a patient come to me hoping he hadn't had a stroke. Obviously, he had and had been under care for four months. I used a cold laser protocol on him and he opened and closed his hand for the first time after a 45 second treatment. Ok, no big deal..maybe a lot of people could do that, but no one had. My point? Did anyone care enough to find out how this happened? No way. I know science and I know what's going on out there...more than most. I don't know you, but I don't recommend you underestimate what I know. And by the way, your idea of woo woo circles is the type of thing that has worn me down over the years. But then those people who call it that come to me anyway when the "real" stuff doesn't work. If I was in an emergency, the hospital emergency room in this country is where I would want to be; They are the best..after that, all bets are off. Anyway, good luck to you.
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