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Coops
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 | 03:22 PM
Mike, thanks for the experiment.
That explains it then. Doesn't it? A simple transdermal patch. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 | 04:20 PM
Coops
Mike's post
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 | 05:56 PM
Week 1 in review:
No mention of trying out your suggestion, so presumably he used the patches as suggested?
Dave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 | 09:44 AM
SCAM CONTINUES OFFICIALLY UNCHALLENGED
Another week and a few more dollars in the Schmidt piggy bank.
Who cares, right?
Lifewavers tell us that even if it is a scam why should it matter if it helps people?
With all the other scams in the news, why shouldn't Schmidt continue his scam?
America, land of the free.
You gotta love it!
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 | 08:02 PM
http://www.decanter.com/news/112353.html
Wine study may take the Million bucks?
Magnets and wine...a great combination. Unlike the LifeWave debacle, you have a genuine study underway to try to prove/disprove the claims.
LifeWave still has NO accepted studies...ZERO.
Who cares, right?
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 | 12:47 AM
Randi has talked about wine magnets on his site in the past. I can't see that they can pass a properly-conducted double-blind test, but, hey, I'd love to see they try. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 | 12:47 AM
Make that "them try." |
Joel
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 02:40 AM
From the latest reincarnation of the Lifewave website: "We believe strongly in our values of the highest integrity. . . "
I'd say that "Dr." David Schmidt is warming up for his next career as a comedian.
Think about it, all you wavers/suckers out there: This man to whom you're giving your hard earned money thinks that lying about being a doctor in order to give himself a false air of credibility and thus sell more product and impress the Patent Office, embodies "values of the highest integrity."
Would you buy a used nanoantenna from this man? |
Joel
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 02:51 AM
Just when you thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous.
"DefenseWave(TM) helps protect the cells from exposure to radioactive substances."
"DefenseWave(TM) may protect against hearing loss due to noise exposure."
http://www.lifewavenc.com/pdf/DWBrochure.pdf
Wow! Now these stupid patches protect against not only anthrax, but against radiation exposure AND hearing loss too. How will the military ever choose between these new honey and molasses patches and the Harmony Chip? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 04:49 PM
Joel said:
"Wow! Now these stupid patches protect against not only anthrax, but against radiation exposure AND hearing loss too."
This is all very amusing on one level, but on another level it's absolutely disgusting to contemplate the possibility of the military purchasing this snake oil at the same time as they STILL haven't supplied all the troops wih adequate body armor.
Can we make a gentlemen's agreement that, if and when we hear about the military actually purchasing this crap, we'll all contact the local and national media and our Congresscritters to bring attention to this fraud? NO tax money should be spent on this nonsense. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 05:02 PM
CMG
"Can we make a gentlemen's agreement that, if and when we hear about the military actually purchasing this crap, we'll all contact the local and national media and our Congresscritters to bring attention to this fraud? NO tax money should be spent on this nonsense."
Have done already, more than once.
Seems the LifeWave scam isn't important enough for them to bother with!
Dave |
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 05:59 PM
Sorry to hear that, EDHUK. Who have you contacted, if I may ask.
I think these things are kind of like a snowball. I we can find one prominent person who will bring attention to the matter, the rest will jump on board. Yes, that WAS a mixed metaphor! |
Joel
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 06:21 PM
"Can we make a gentlemen's agreement that . . . "
I sincerely doubt that the military will fall for this stinking pile of dung. But if we hear of the military actually doing so, then yes, agreed. I would be furious if Congress were to spend a single dime of my tax money on this crap. The U.S. government buying into this hooey might be just the hook that the national media would need in order to get them interested enough to shine a spotlight onto this fraud and bring it to a well deserved demise more quickly.
To the new principals in LifeWave Nanocommunications LLC who are supposedly leading the charge to sell Lifewave patches to the military:
You can the roll the dice and bet your careers that the phony "Dr." Schmidt and his publicly disciplined psychiatrist friend reinvented as a "world renowned nutritionist" really have discovered an earth shattering new branch of physics by which tiny amounts of honey, molasses, and glycerin held at a short distance act like tiny little frequency modulating cell phones to make wrinkles disappear, make you sleep better and eliminate snoring, reduce pain in humans and horses, tell your body to burn more fat, immediately and dramatically increase your strength and stamina, reduce by the correct amounts the correct trace metals from the body, and protect against biological agents, radiation, and hearing damage, even when the patches are worn on shoes as long as they're worn with the correct polarities, if that's what you choose to do.
But think about what you are setting yourselves up for if David Schmidt and his parlor tricks have not actually transcended the known laws of physics. If you are successful in making a single sale to the military, in my humble opinion you would be exposing yourselves to possible criminal charges for defrauding the federal government, and a national scandal the fallout from which could live on to haunt all of those involved for years to come.
Those self righteous Congressmen who are constantly seeking someone other than themselves to blame for how incompetent our government can be, will be searching for people to publicly vilify and to mercilessly punish, so that they can go back to their constituents and beat their breasts about what vigilant watchdogs they are of the public trust.
The choice is yours. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 | 08:09 PM
CMG
Last year I dropped an email to 20/20. Recently I contacted Brian Ross. Please feel free to add your comments for Brian's team to read. The more the merrier, especially as Brian appears to be keen on exposing con-artists lately.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/
Cheers,
Dave |
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 | 01:28 AM
Joel, I join you in hoping that the military doesn't fall for the LifeWave nonsense. I'm not entirely convinced, however, that they won't. I agree with you that selling their snake oil to the armed forces may just be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Actually, I think that just attempting to sell the crap to the government may be a crime in itself. I doubt that the LifeWave guys could credibly claim that they really thought the patches work, what with Schmidt falsely claiming to be a "doctor" and all. Smells like fraud to me.
OK, EDHUK, I'll take a look at the Brian Ross link. Hey, maybe we can find SOMEONE in the media who needs to make a little noise. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 | 06:42 PM
I sent a quick note to Brian Ross with a link to this thread. I'm not holding my breath, but who knows what could happen? |
Joel
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 | 08:29 AM
I dropped Mr. Ross a note as well.
Hey all of you wavers out there, why don't you join in and drop Mr. Ross a note, urging him to investigate whether Lifewave patches are for real, or whether they are a hoax? I mean, if you believe that Lifewave patches are for real, wouldn't this be a GREAT chance for your company to get national attention and (finally) become the next Microsoft like David Schmidt said it would be? Wouldn't that be a great thing for you and Lifewave? Imagine this report on National TV:
"I'm Brian Ross. We got reports of a new product called Lifewave. A number of skeptics deride this product and its inventor as being a hoax, but we investigated and found that these little patches do all of the amazing things advertised for them. Let's talk to LifeWave distributor Dina Page . . ." The orders would come flooding into Dina by the millions making her instantly rich, wouldn't they? |
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 | 06:36 AM
Don't worry I already sent mine. This is the exposure that Lifewave is looking for. Thanks for getting the ball rolling. |
Coops
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 | 08:08 AM
Hey hang on a minute there Mike. Did you say that if you wear the patches as directed in the instruction manual then the patches are dry by the end of the day? Mine were dry. But if used according to our experiment then the patches were still full.
I am trying to establish whether the patches are transdermal or not. This simple test should prove this. Yes, yes I know they |
Mike
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 | 08:59 AM
Experiment is over. Lifewave is a joke, I know I went against better judgement by trying them out, but I did so to appease my friend. I went in with an open mind and gave them a chance despite everything I've read here. I felt absolutely no different wearing the patches than I did without them. Coops, wearing the patches as directed, they were not dry at the end of the day. I won't bother posting the end workout results, I gave the rest of the patches to my buddy and told him to have fun with the software for his body. I probably won't be visiting this site again, but I'd like to thank people like Edhuk for providing a lot of insight and I'm happy I researched this before being run over by what would have been nothing more than placebo effect.
-Mike |
Razela
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 | 11:21 AM
Mike, how did your friend take it? Is he reconsidering the patches himself? |
Captain Al
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 | 07:39 PM
Thanks for the update Mike.
You had exactly the same results as Cranky's wife. Zilch. Please drop by once in a while to lend your experience to others who may be tempted to spend their money on this scam.
And of course, when Lifewave finally folds there will be a big party here. You won't want to miss it. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 | 08:50 PM
Mike
"...I went against better judgement by trying them out, but I did so to appease my friend."
Perhaps this whole episode will be of value in a bigger way.
Funnily enough, I'm not going to say "I told you so". Your one man "test" would not be significant in the big picture.
From the beginning, all I ever wanted LifeWave to do was show us respectable studies demonstrating the efficacy of their products.
They have not done this and many of us believe it's because the "product" is a SCAM.
At least you've saved your money and can, perhaps, be in a position to ask some questions next time a "friend" has a good deal to put your way.
All the best Mike,
Dave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 | 05:27 PM
"This breakthrough technology holds the promise of a host of other products which will address and solve additional human problems. With this unique technology in the hands of our scientists, there's no limit to what the future may hold!"
So it appears David Schmidt, the well known con man and self titled "Dr." has a number of "scientists" working for him.
Obviously these "scientists" couldn't cut it in a traditional scientific establishment. Having no ethics and zero morals, but a love of money, was obviously high up on the resume.
How many problems has David Schmidt solved for you I wonder?
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 | 03:58 PM
Does Schmidt read this forum?
You bet!
Check out the CHANGED version of the website.
http://www.lifewavenc.com/
All previous errors and absurdities have magically been corrected or deleted.
Check out the DefenseWave patch which previously claimed to protect you from biological toxins and even radiation.
Our comments are read, pondered on, and then bring about a change in the text of this SCAM company's website.
BEFORE OUR COMMENTS:
"Glutathione, a master antioxidant, is produced naturally by our body but declines with age. DefenseWave |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 | 12:29 AM
Wow, now I'm even more impressed with our little group of skeptics than before.
Yes, it does look as if "Dr." Schmidt reads our words of wisdom.
Hey, "Doc," it should have occurred to you by now that we're kind of obsessed with this subject. We ARE going to hang in with LifeWave until something finally takes it off the market.
Yes, you will undoubtedly have made a lot of money by then with this scam but how much good will that do you in prison?
Better keep the number for that Swiss bank account handy. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 | 12:26 PM
CMG
"Wow, now I'm even more impressed with our little group of skeptics than before.
Yes, it does look as if "Dr." Schmidt reads our words of wisdom."
It appears Schmidt isn't the only reader of this humble forum.
Remember Rich Lang a few weeks ago looking for a buyer of his "valuable" position in the LifeWave pyramid.
LifeWave Position For Sale!!
"I have the largest BV position
than anyone in the company."
Check out his website today and the "for sale" sign has gone!
http://www.energyrich.com/
How curious.
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Joel
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 | 09:44 PM
Perhaps Rich Lang didn't want to miss out on the next generation of honey-and-molasses patches that now protect against anthrax and radiation, too. But now that LifeWave is no longer claiming that their silly patches protect against anthrax and radiation, Rich may want to sell his position after all. We'll see. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 | 01:53 AM
You know, I just had a thought. Hey, "Dr." Schmidt, if you really do follow this thread, I have the next multi-million dollar variation on the LifeWave scam for you: Male Enhancement Patches.
Hey, if small plastic patches can protect us against anthrax--oh, you've stopped making that claim, haven't you? Well, anyway, with all the other amazing things your patches can do, WHY NOT male enhancement?
Just remember to word your ads carefully, like the Smilin' Bob and Extenze ads. Use phrases like, "enhance that certain part of the male anatomy" that have NO legal meaning, but which everyone will understand to refer to the penis.
The only question I guess is, where would you advise the customer to stick the patches? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 | 06:09 AM
Joel.
The LifeWave brochure in .pdf format still makes the claims about radiation protection. They'll have to do a reprint to take care of that tiny problem!
Dave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 | 05:16 PM
LifeWave patches on Ebay:
Even though LifeWave has issued warnings that the product is NOT to be sold on Ebay it has appeared regularly.
As a barometer of the LifeWave business, Ebay prices have been interesting to follow.
In the early days, people bid almost up to the price everyone else paid.
Now?
99 cents! One month supply
How about 2 boxes for 99 cents?
Come on guys..."All natural" and only 99 cents plus S&H. What a deal!
Well at least the seller is an honest LifeWaver?
Oh dear, perhaps not.
" Shirts I recieved were either mismarked or a cheap knock off."
That's the trouble with Ebay Feedback ratings.
Can you imagine LifeWave selling it's products through Ebay?
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 | 01:05 AM
EDHUK said:
"Can you imagine LifeWave selling it's products through Ebay?"
A modern, revolutionary marketing method for a modern, revolutionary product! |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 | 01:25 AM
Selling on Ebay? Is this anyway to treat the most revolutionary new product to come on the market in decades? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 | 05:22 PM
Ebay Barometer
WOW!
With 13 hours to go we have gone from a humble 99 cents to a whopping $1.25 bid. By golly, someone's out for a bargain!
Of course you could plump for:
Apple Patch Diet - Drop the pounds increase your Energy
Yep, another patch but with "ingredients" that actually pass into your body, presumably.
Funny how the add suffers from the same confusion over "your" and "you're" that we've seen here many times.
"If your not completely satisfied with your results..."
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 | 01:03 AM
EDHUK said:
"Funny how the add suffers from the same confusion over 'your' and 'you're' that we've seen here many times.
'If your not completely satisfied with your results...'"
I see what you're going for there, but to be fair, that's a pretty common mistake. I edit books these days and a lot of the authors I deal with make that error routinely. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 | 11:31 AM
CMG
"I see what you're going for there..."
Actually, it was an Ebay auction I looked at when I was reading the page with the LifeWave patches on it.
I wasn't suggesting those fine folks were really Schmidt in disguise. Probably a bit too legit for his taste!
Well, the 99 cent sale has ended and a lucky winner has a month supply of patches for just $26.99 + $4.50. What a deal!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=320100250374&rd=1&rd=1
http://myworld.ebay.com/jerry612345/
I hope Jerry gets the benefit expected from the buy.
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Joel
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 | 12:57 AM
From lifewavenc.com, regarding "inventor" David Schmidt and his prior experience as a researcher: "He was Director of Research and Development/Principal for Advanced Applications Group, Inc. While with AAG, Inc., he investigated hydrogen producing aluminum/catalytic alloys, multi-fuel bladeless turbine, and On Demand chemical oxygen supply."
Gone are any claims that David Schmidt, while at AAG, actually invented anything, discovered anything, or produced anything. Now his sole claim for his years at AAG is that he "investigated" things. That's creative resume writing for a guy whom we know filed 3 patent applications while at AAG (application numbers 09/775,550, 09/886,935 and 09/887,531), all of which were rejected by the U.S. Patent Office. I still have not seen any evidence that AAG ever actually produced anything. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 | 01:18 AM
Joel said:
"Gone are any claims that David Schmidt, while at AAG, actually invented anything, discovered anything, or produced anything. Now his sole claim for his years at AAG is that he "investigated" things."
"Investigated" is such a vague term that it could literally apply to anyone from a lab assistant to the Head of Research. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 | 09:49 PM
Joel and CMG
Those of us who have been following this charade for a while now are not surprised to see Schmidt change things around on the fly.
His ex-wife knows a little about his deceitful ways, and frankly I believe she is fortunate to no longer be associated with such a crook. I hope she and her children can move on and find happiness with a real man.
Dave
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 | 01:09 AM
Hmm, anyone know how to get in touch with the former Mrs. Schmidt? She might have a lot to say about LifeWave and be willing to spill her guts publicly.
Perhaps she could even be put in touch with an investigative reporter. Hmmm. |
Coops
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 | 01:18 AM
I wonder if Lifewave Inc can use nanotechnology to develop a |
Kevin
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 | 05:05 PM
What do you guys do all day. Watch porno,eat, and complain? Best advice I will give you'll free of charge, Get up and exercise that weak body of yours and maybe you will begin to feel some energy to the brain. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 | 12:57 AM
Who are you directing your comment to, Kevin? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 | 06:14 AM
Kevin
"In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes ("projects") to others, one |
Coops
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 | 02:40 PM
Dear Kevin,
If you have invested money into Lifewave then it's only normal for you to feel angry at everyone who hasn |
Mr. Bill
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 | 07:11 PM
Sink your teeth into this one boys.... ( there is a real gift here )
vid : http://www.emofree.com/splash/EFT_video.asp
manual : http://www.emofree.com/pdf-files/EFTmanual.pdf |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 | 12:52 AM
That PDF looks interesting, Mr. Bill. I don't think it belongs on this thread, though. Unless I missed something, it doesn't have anything to do with LifeWave. |
Mike
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 | 11:59 AM
All,
I came back for a quick update. I gave the rest of the patches to my friend, made fun of him for a while, showed him some links and the ridiculousness, and he quit using them. So I saved him some $ too. Anyway would like to thank everyone again for saving me money that I would have thrown away had I not done research here and my personal test. |
Razela
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 | 12:11 PM
Thanks for coming on and sharing your story with us. Honestly, it's nice to know that our rambling has actually helped someone. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 | 05:56 PM
MR Bill,
Perhaps you'd like to start a new thread.
Of course, the mind body connection is not new. Rational Emotive Therapy has been around for a long time:
http://www.albertellisinstitute.org/aei/index.html
Start the thread. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 | 05:59 PM
Mike,
Perhaps Lifewave will quietly fizzle out. That way David Schmidt the con man, who signed as "Dr." David Schmidt on a patent application, can disappear with the money until the dust settles.
I wonder what new "invention" he's working on in his kitchen right now?
Dave |
Mr. Bill
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 | 06:46 PM
If looked at closely , the EFT goes hand in hand with lifewave... the clearing of the power meridians that run through the body , the same as lifewave claims its patches do. Lifewave patches are specifically placed where these meridians , or lines of power meet , and EFT concentrates " tapping " on these same points, with a pile of testimonials from people saying how much it has changed their lives , just like lifeave...
I just thought that was very interesting is all... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 | 02:13 AM
Mr. Bill said:
"If looked at closely , the EFT goes hand in hand with lifewave... the clearing of the power meridians that run through the body , the same as lifewave claims its patches do."
The existance of "power meridians" is not accepted by science. They're something that acupuncturists and other practitioners of quack medicine believe in. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 | 04:07 PM
Observation:
If I owned a company with a revolutionary product whose effects I could prove with accepted studies, why would I use "news" that was from 2005 or before?
Wouldn't I have a mass of current 2007 information singing the praises of my "product"?
http://www.lifewave.com/news.asp
For the self proclaimed "Dr." David Schmidt, con-man and NON-SCIENTIST, it's all a game. A game of words and deception and trying to stay one jump ahead of prison.
Just an observation. |
Joel
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 | 12:07 AM
Lifewave says:
The best example of how LifeWave patches are similar to medical products already on the market is to compare LifeWave patches to medical devices like hot packs, cold packs, and infrared wraps. Hot packs generate heat (broad spectrum infrared energy) by chemical reactions or by being previously warmed in heating devices. Cold packs absorb heat and cause vasoconstriction in underlying blood vessels to cool an area. Infrared wraps contain inorganic ceramic crystals. These inorganic ceramic crystals absorb infrared energy from the body and then reemit the energy across a wide energy band to exert biological effects (Inoue et al., 1989). . . . The difference between LifeWave patches that contain organic materials and infrared products that contain inorganic materials is that LifeWave patches only mirror back a very narrow band of frequencies. In this context LifeWave patches are not significantly different than infrared wraps, socks, bandages, blankets, etc.
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Papers/SciencePaper001-LWThermalPatchesShortVersion.pdf
OK, so Lifewave patches are basically the same as socks and blankets. They absorb body heat, and give off a little bit of IR (as any object placed on the body would do).
But Lifewave also says that its Defense Wave patches |
Joel
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 | 12:08 AM
Lifewave also claims that, |
Joel
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 | 12:27 AM
I wonder if Teddy Allen and Suzanne McHale will ever be able to live down their association with LifeWave Nanocommunications LLC and its honey-and-molasses patches that beautify the skin and smooth wrinkles, AND that also protect soldiers against malaria, hearing loss, radioactive substances, and high levels of mercury, by acting as tiny FM radio stations that send commands to the body to burn more fat by passively modulating the body |
Joel
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 | 12:35 AM
Hey DS (or Teddy Allen or Suzanne McHale):
You might want to fix that typo: "DefenseWave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 | 06:09 PM
Joel
Back on March 9th I posted the changes Schmidt made to his website following my comments about errors, typos etc.
We really should be getting paid for proof reading his website!
Dave |
Frank
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 | 02:02 PM
I am a lifewave distributor, i wore the patches about 25 times now in my life...i am also a professional football player. I do not feel any increased energy or strength when wearing the patches. in fact my 225 bench was 1 rep less when i had the patches on. They are available to make money and that is it! |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 | 03:07 PM
Frank, so you admit that the patches are worthless and that by selling them, you are engaging in fraud? |
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