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EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 09:32 PM
http://www.lifewave.org.uk/
Leave it to the Brits to use just the right wording.
"Come and meet the man himself, David Schmidt, LifeWave |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 02:13 AM
EDHUK said:
"I suppose [Schmidt] figures that he's got away with it for so long now that nobody is going to stop him.
"I guess we'll just have to see about that."
Well, the attempt to sell this crap to the military has the potential of derailing "Dr." Schmidt's little train. We shall see, indeed. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 04:41 AM
This military deal opens up wonderful new possibilities for Lifewave. How about a patch that erases scars from bullet wounds or a patch that grows a new limb if your leg is blown off by a land mine. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 06:52 AM
Seriously folks, for those people who still haven't witnessed the brilliance of the "Dr.", here is a video link from the old days...August 2004.
http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave/video.htm
Remember as you watch this inspiring video that people in the room actually believed it all!
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 07:01 AM
Yes folks he really did say that!
You have a negative potential on the back of your hand and a positive potential on the top of your head.
When you place the back of your hand on the top of your head it disrupts the ability of the brain to communicate with your muscles.
That's why the volunteer in the demo had a weak arm!
Easy!
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Joel
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 04:11 PM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING?
http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html
I ran across this article criticizing the MLM model when I was recently doing some other work. The author of the article appears to be a disaffected distributor of Amway/Quixtar, which is one of the MLM's which is actually still around.
I've only scanned the article, but it looks like it could be of interest to anybody who is considering investing his time/money in Lifewave or any other MLM. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 07:03 PM
Joel,
The MLM angle has never been my beef. I object to David Schmidt running this blatant scam and hoodwinking so many people without consequences.
When watching Schmidt in the video clip above, the scam artist is clear to see. The strength "test" has been performed by many tricksters in the past. Anyone can do it. You don't need patches or any other "extras".
Schmidt demonstrated NOTHING about his new "invention", NOTHING.
He performed a simple parlour trick and people bought his patches!
Here's the trick under a different name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr8MHgWZyAs
Polarity and all.
Enjoy!
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EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 | 07:10 PM
Same parlour trick:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070228194248AAb6FIB
David Schmidt has based his entire Company on a trick. Yet people STILL buy into it!
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 | 01:52 AM
The sad thing is that that Yahoo Q&A site takes that bullshit seriously. Well, it IS the "Alternative Health" board. As I've been saying over on the Rampa thread, in the "Alternative" world, NOTHING is ever subjected to any actual testing. If it makes sense to you, it's true and that's that. To hell with those silly "laws of physics." They're SUCH a Western concept! |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 | 05:37 PM
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/LeadershipAward_02-07.pdf
What a nice man!
"Then, this past August (2006) Roy tried for the first time our LifeWave Nanotechnology Skin Care System featuring our revolutionary Glutathione patch. Roy |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 | 05:52 PM
Two days ago this was on the new LifeWaveNC website:
"...there is a very rapid excretion of heavy metals such as mercury from the urine."
My comment above was "What, not from the body?"
Today the website has been edited and states:
"By detoxifying the liver, DefenseWave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 | 08:30 PM
WE ARE NOT ALONE:
http://scienceblogs.com/bushwells/2007/01/the_floridiocy_files_a_real_ba.php
"One need not hold a degree in physics or engineering, or a high-school diploma, to grok that LifeWave's products belong somewhere in a Penn & Teller diatribe."
"Naturally, the LifeWave virus propagates throughout society primarily as the object of a pyramid scheme. In the event anyone has lingering doubts, this trait is diagnostic of a lowbrow product, as the publicizing and distribution of items with genuine merit do not hinge on the vigorous gullibility of people who think they'll be rich by next Tuesday."
""The Museum of Hoaxes" has an amusing thread on LifeWave and its creator, and Fort Lauderdale's own James Randi, he of the million-dollar challenge, was unsuccessful in getting LifeWave to make a run for the money."
"...Cottrell and his fellow swindlers are in business in the United States, where a huge and ramshackle cross-section of a purportedly educated populace happily believes in ghosts, alien-guided UFOs, television soothsayers, the fidelity of Ouija boards, six-day creation and--more and more--the healing and restorative powers of all things paranormal. Given our scam-happy citizenry, it's no wonder that even counterfeit patches from LifeWave's junk trove have a chance of sticking."
A little skeptical maybe?
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EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 | 08:45 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=pbLmgf3QFIYC&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=lifewave&source=web&ots=YSiKlTpIxI&sig=vvsCfRlBvY631XFr_969cCU6oRM#PPA184,M1
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 02:18 AM
Dave,
The link to that science blog was great but it's obvious that guy has never even tried the patches. 😉 |
Mike
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 08:53 AM
Ok I feel stupid. I've read the comments over the past few days and I now sit here at my computer about to go to the gym with one of these patches on each one of my shoulders. I'm pretty much embarassed admitting it but I'm still going to see if anything happens just to appease my friend who swears by these. This next week I'll let you guys know my opinion but I'm pretty certain I'll be jumping all over the bashing the bs bandwagon. We'll see. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 11:32 AM
Captain Al,
I think we've pretty much established you don't have to have tried something or done something to write intelligently about it, haven't we?
Isn't that what this thread has discussed with LifeWavers time and time again?
Dave
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 11:57 AM
Mike
Part I
"Ok I feel stupid. I've read the comments over the past few days..."
If you ever had the odd hour to read the whole thread, which is now excruciatingly long at 203 pages and 4043 replies to the original question in Feb. 2005, you will see words very similar to yours.
Sometimes the words are from a genuine poster, sometimes they are from a distributor of the patches "posing" as an innocent newbie.
"I was very skeptical and couldn't believe how two stupid patches could give me energy but in the gym I was able to do far more reps than I have ever done. I know it's crazy, but these things work. I'm buying my supply now."
You get the idea. The "skeptic" is proven wrong and now becomes a supporter of the patches. Who better a person to believe than a convert!
I'm not accusing you of being such a poster, but please understand that it's all too easy, after all this time, to be wary of "innocent" posts.
"I'm still going to see if anything happens just to appease my friend who swears by these."
Firstly, one could ask you why? Do you do everything that your friend wants? If he/she wants to play Russian Roulette would you do it just to appease him/her?
Secondly, remember that the LifeWave Company sells their products exclusively through Multi Level Marketing (MLM). You "friend" has a vested interest in "converting" you to a purchaser of the product with them as your sponsor.
Check out how valuable you can be to them.
http://www.lifewave.com/compensationplan.asp |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 12:06 PM
Part II
Please also take note of the picture on the right of the page. Rich Lang sings the praises of LifeWave:
"Besides, there is NOTHING I know of that has the monetary potential of LifeWave. 38 years of owning my own business tells me LifeWave is the place to be."
WOW, what a testimonial! Meanwhile Rich Lang is quitting LifeWave. Would YOU like to buy his downline?
http://www.energyrich.com/
Bob Burtis, of World Wide Scam Network, posted a suggestion here a long time ago. "Do your due diligence".
http://www.worldwidescam.info/3signs.htm
Research and ask questions. You will NOT get sensible unbiased answers from LifeWave. Why would you? They are selling you their product.
If you try the patches and you do "feel" something, what then?
How will you discern if the patches were responsible? This question has been repeated many times as you will see if you read the whole thread.
Will you buy into your friends downline based on a feeling that the patches MUST be the real deal?
Dave
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 12:12 PM
"Why am I 100% involved with LifeWave? I want to do something that no one else is doing. I want to do something that I can be very proud of. I want to do something that turns peoples heads. I need to be involved in , and associated with a company that can make a difference in peoples lives. Besides, there is NOTHING I know of that has the monetary potential of LifeWave. 38 years of owning my own business tells me LifeWave is the place to be."
Rich Lang
Posted here only as a matter of record. Things have a tendency to "disappear" from the LifeWave website when we point them out on this forum.
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EDHUK
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 01:15 PM
It's only words:
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_070305.html
March 5th 2007
"There's no sugar-coating the current slump. This isn't a bump in the road. This is a sinkhole that threatens to swallow the season. The Pacers have lost five in a row, all by double-digit margins. That kind of streak hasn't happened in nearly 20 years, and has only occurred twice before in franchise history, in December of 1978 and December of '88. Both of those teams finished 38-44 and out of the playoffs."
Words about The Indiana Pacers.
Where did I see that name before?
Here:
http://www.energyrich.com/
"Kobe Bryant gets frustrated with the Indiana Pacers.... Some of the Pacers happen to have our LifeWave patches on."
So, what happened Rich? Never mind, you are abandoning ship after all.
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Mike
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 | 11:30 PM
Edhuk,
I definitely see your point and though I haven't rummaged through all 203 pages I can see where you're coming from on the subject.
Your relation to "Russian Roulette" vice trying on some patches really isn't relevant. That's like saying ohh I'm going to try out basketball because my friend loves basketball vice ohh I'm going to try and shoot myself because my friend thinks offing themself is cool..... I'm doing this because I trust this person and trust their decisions. I have already told this individual about placebo effect etc and the fact I truly believe it's all bs. My friend is not a random reseller and I'm in no way advocating buying the patches nor will I in the future. I'm just doing my own personal test despite the vast amount of evidence stating this product is useless and providing that information to this forum.
You may judge me as being fake or whatever but I'm just here to learn and provide an opinion based on the facts I've gotten from here and the reality of testing things out. I think it's pretty interesting the human mind is capable of believing something can modify them in some way when that substance isn't responsible for the change in behavior. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 03:47 AM
Mike in San Diego
"I think it's pretty interesting the human mind is capable of believing something can modify them in some way when that substance isn't responsible for the change in behavior."
Absolutely.
"...I haven't rummaged through all 203 pages..."
"So, here's a link to the placebo study mentioned previously in this thread on pain control done in the US in 2005."
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm
"I'm doing this because I trust this person and trust their decisions."
Apparently many people around the world have "trusted" in David Schmidt and his company.
They "trust" that when a man with ONLY a two year business degree and NO verifiable scientific background says he has invented the most important breakthrough in modern science in recent history, he is right!
The very same man who said goodbye to his family in Georgia to make his new Jet set lifestyle in California.
A man who someone very close to him stated:
"...something that LifeWave Products did not want anyone to know. While the patches do come out of an FDA approved lab, the solutions that go into the patches do not.
The company just built the clean room to make the solutions at the end of June 2006. Prior to this David lived in Georgia and made the solutions in his house in which there lived 2 adults, 2 children and 2 dogs. Clean room environment? I should say not! When he got to California he made them in the spare bedroom of his apartment. Clean room environment? I should say not.
He's managed to deceive the public and even the FDA for all these years. One should ask in what other ways David Schmidt and Lifewave have deceived the public."
Courtesy Bob Burtis WWSN
http://www.worldwidescam.info/
"...I'm just here to learn and provide an opinion based on the facts I've gotten from here and the reality of testing things out."
Highly commendable Mike, but how will you know what the "reality" is?
Dave
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 04:55 AM
I just found this:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/11/lifewave-bst-bed
-sores-begone/
I followed the link:
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.
jhtml;jsessionid=BA5HCYB3EHBSCQSNDLOSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=197800406
and it appears to be a DIFFERENT "LifeWave" company.
Can anyone confirm or disprove that? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 10:51 AM
CMG
When I first started posting here I also saw that company when I Googled "LifeWave". I believe they are a genuine Company with a real product; nothing to do with our scam artist friend. I think I emailed them at the time but didn't keep the emails so can't be 100% sure.
Cheers,
Dave |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 10:52 AM
This is the company:
http://www.lifewaveinc.com/index.html |
Coops
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 01:42 PM
Glad see you back here Mike.
Did you try my experiment by not removing the sticky backing and securing the patches with the help of a band-aid and seeing if the "brown stuff" is still there after a day?
If it's still full then it |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 02:39 PM
Yes, EDHUK, at first glance, this new LifeWave outfit looks legit. That "non-invasive" thing jumped out at me, though.
I wonder how the Israeli LifeWave people feel about "Dr." Schmidt and his snake oil. They must get contacted from time to time by people who want to jump on the MLM bandwagon, which I would think eats up some time and manpower to respond to, if nothing else. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 02:48 PM
Coops
I can't imagine that the tiny amount of glucose in the brown patch would be of much use. Can glucose even be absorbed through the skin? What about the glycerin in the white patch?
I strongly believe that any discussion about patch construction, trans versus non-trans etc. is peripheral to the overwhelming point.
LifeWave LLC is a SCAM company headed up by a con artist.
Name me one bona fide company, with a real product, where the owner had been called a con artist and had not bothered to correct that statement in a court of law.
David Schmidt will never go to court to defend his "honor" because he has no product, just plastic patches manufactured on the cheap and sold at an incredible mark up.
It's all about the money, it always has been.
Cheers,
Dave |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 06:25 PM
Hey Mike, definitely come tell us what you think after you use them. Also, you should send your friend here. He doesn't need to post or anything, but he may get where you're coming from a little better. |
Steve
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 08:14 AM
How much do you all pay a month the keep your hoax forum listed with google? |
Steve
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 09:45 AM
What do you wish to gain for this forum? |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 12:11 PM
Actually Steve, as you can see from this link, or from Googling Lifewave for yourself, Museumofhoaxes.com is not listed as a Sponsored Link. Lifewave, on the other hand . . .
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-34,GGLJ:en&q=lifewave |
Razela
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 12:15 PM
Steve, are you talking about this website as a whole or just this thread? As a whole, http://www.museumofhoaxes.com is run by Alex. In order to be listed in google you don't have to pay anything. He may pay extra to advertise through google adverts but I'm not sure. You'll have to go here if you're curious https://adwords.google.com. As to the purpose of the forum, you'll have to look at Alex's about me page here http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/bio.html.
As for the thread, we don't pay anything to google or anyone else. As for our purpose, well we each have our own reasons for sticking around. I'm here mainly for intellectual reasons. I honestly have trouble seeing how people can believe in the patches, and I am interested in how really smart people can be scammed by such an obviously fake product. I'm also here because I think that the discussions can help others to make their own decisions on the product and can, perhaps, even protect a few people from being scammed.
Sorry, I guess I'm not really sure what you're getting at Steve. |
Razela
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 12:16 PM
OK, well there you go. Sorry Chary, you posted while I was typing. So apparently no one is paying anything to google. Sorry for the confusion. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 02:54 PM
Steve in Phoenix:
How much did you pay to post your comment?
Exactly!
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Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 03:03 PM
I don't think Alex needs to advertise the site since it's not really a business venture, though that's just my opinion. He gets a lot of publicity from news organizations, especially around April 1st, and from his books. He does generate some revenue from ads however, which is why you see the Google ads on the page. They're context-sensitive which is why they're mostly showing advertisements for Lifewave and the like right now.
So in reality David Schmidt is indirectly paying Alex to advertise on the Museum of Hoaxes. Rather ironic, that. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 03:43 PM
Razela
"I honestly have trouble seeing how people can believe in the patches, and I am interested in how really smart people can be scammed by such an obviously fake product."
Ditto.
It's fascinating how people want to believe skeptics must be part of a conspiracy than believe Schmidt is a con man.
As you mentioned, even the most intelligent are taken in by scams.
http://www.paulstips.com/brainbox/pt/home.nsf/link/30052006-The-easiest-way-to-fool-smart-people
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/66/realitycheck.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4718038.stm
http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/19/pf/saving/scams_smart/index.htm
Yep, the most intelligent people can make the best victims.
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Steve
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 05:27 PM
Why do you care whether people in your eyes are dumb. In the whole scheme of things, if something works and it helps people, isn't that what matters? |
Steve
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 06:27 PM
I noticed there is only about 5 members in this forum. Don't you suppose you 5 against several hundreds of thousands would really not have a whole lot to say?
And that you 5 have been around for a few years and really, you have not accomplished anything of what you claim to want to do and that is steer people away from Lifewave? |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 06:30 PM
Obviously you found it enough of a threat to come here and insult us. |
Steve
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 07:27 PM
I don't beieve I insulted you and I certainly do not find this a threat at all. Threatening how? |
Steve
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 07:28 PM
Typo-- believe |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 09:09 PM
Steve:
"Why do you care whether people in your eyes are dumb. In the whole scheme of things, if something works and it helps people, isn't that what matters?"
Your comment is highly unoriginal. It has been posted here many many times.
Do you have anything worthwhile to add to this thread?
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EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 09:16 PM
Steve:
"And that you 5 have been around for a few years and really, you have not accomplished anything of what you claim to want to do and that is steer people away from Lifewave?"
You appear to have "special powers". Very much in keeping with the "magic patches" theme of scam artist David Schmidt.
You appear to have "knowledge" of every person who has read this thread and made an educated choice to buy or not buy into the LifeWave scam.
Now, that's a very special gift. You could make some money from a gift like that. Why on earth are you wasting your time with the LifeWave SCAM?
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EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 09:21 PM
Steve
"I noticed there is only about 5 members in this forum."
IS you sure? |
Captain Al
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 | 10:12 PM
Steve said:
"Don't you suppose you 5 against several hundreds of thousands would really not have a whole lot to say?"
Steve is forgetting about the other 6,000,000,000 people on the planet who don't use Lifewave.
What has Lifewave accomplished in the time they have been on the market? They claim to be a revolutionary technology but still no newspaper or CNN headlines. No mention in respected scientific journals. No recognition in real nanotechnology circles.
I, for one, don't care about people who refuse to listen to reason. But there are some who are intelligent enough to research this product before buying. Hopefully they will find their way here and get the other side of the story. They won't get that viewpoint anywhere else because David Schmidt and company haven't gone through the tried-and-proven scientific process of properly conducted studies, publication and peer review since they know they have a scam product. Besides, respected scientific journals don't waste their time on scams, there's too much real science to be done. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 | 01:57 AM
We don't really know what effect this thread may have had on LifeWave or its operations. There is at least some circumstantial evidence to suggest that "Dr." Schmidt or one of his inner circle reads this thread.
Besides, this story ain't over yet. Don't assume you know the (surprise?) ending before it's written. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 | 02:10 AM
Steve said:
"I noticed there is only about 5 members in this forum. Don't you suppose you 5 against several hundreds of thousands would really not have a whole lot to say?"
I have a couple of thoughts on this.
First, reality is not determined by consensus. If only one person on the planet believed the Earth was round, that would in no way prove that he/she was wrong.
Second, how do you know for sure how many LifeWave users or distributors there are? What accounting have you seen to back that figure of "several hundreds of thousands" up? |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 | 04:08 PM
http://www.lifewavenc.com/
Oh dear, a slight problem for LifeWave.
You never quite know what's around the corner.
Lieutenant General Kiley, Surgeon General of the Army, undergoing a strength test by Dr. Steve Haltiwanger.
One minute the picture looks good and then:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/03/13/army_surgeon_general_quits_under_pressure/
I guess the, now, ex-Surgeon General of the Army was lacking in good judgement in a number of areas, not just in submitting himself to the well known party trick by Dr. Haltiwanger.
Of course, Kiley couldn't know that the good Dr. Steve has a rather dubious track record.
James Randi took at look at Dr. Haltiwanger a while ago:
http://www.randi.org/jr/050605free.html
"Curious about the qualifications of Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, MD, CCN (the latter a nutritionist degree), listed by LifeWave, I found that he'd studied under Dr. Hans Nieper, a German doctor/oncologist who described certain varieties of cancer as the result of "tachyon field turbulence of the geopathic zone," and ran on endlessly about "energy fields" and "harnessing useful energy from space," which he referred to as the "tachyon field." Dr. Haltiwanger prescribed extracts of mistletoe and Dionaea muscipula as remedies to treat cancer; that last substance is the Venus Fly Trap plant...."
Let's refresh our memory about the good doctor Steve in the photo op with the fired Army Surgeon General.
http://www.medicalboard.state.ga.us/bdsearch/upload.cgi?STATE=List&license=026292&bd_type=04
Dr. Steve is still on probation with the Georgia Medical Board. Seems that the Board looks dimly upon Drs who try to skirt the laws on controlled drugs.
Just the type of fine upstanding individual you need in a top position at LifeWave!
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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 | 06:36 PM
From Dave's link:
HALTIWANGER, STEVEN GEORGE
License----------026292
Status-----------Active
Issue Date-------06/12/1984
Expiration Date--11/30/2007
Specialty--------Psychiatry
You gotta give these guys credit for having the balls to go ahead with this scam.
First we have David Schmidt, with his 2-year business degree and no post-secondary scientific education at all, claiming to invent a revolutionary new technology in an area that no one else in the scientific community knows anything about. Remember also, no one has ever mentioned seeing his laboratory. Then he gets, of all people, a psychiatrist, who is under suspension, to write a dissertation on how the whole thing works, right down to the cellular level.
And people buy it! If it were me, I don't think I could prevent myself from bursting out laughing long enough to make a sale. |
Mike
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 | 07:56 PM
Week 1 in review:
Ok so I said I would try these out, keep an open mind despite everything I've read, and post based on what my personal experience was. If anyone is interested in athletic qualifications, I have been lifting weights 4-5 days a week consistently for the past 7 years. I maintain a 6% body fat and overall healthy lifestyle (except for the sedentary periods that are unfortunately associated with my career).
Day 1: Chest and Back - Patch location - shoulders:
I compound set chest and back on my heavy/day1. Compound sets are performing one set with one muscle group and going on to another muscle group with the next set.
Flat bench 1-4 and Rows 1-4: No noticable increase in reps or energy.
Incline bench 1-4 lat pulls 1-4: Same
Decline bench 1-4 seated rows 1-4: Oddly on my 4th set of decline bench I was able to perform 3 more reps than I typically do. I cannnot attribute this to the patches in anyway, but I can't really describe it as even when I have a mental burst I may squeeze 1-2 more reps in. I may have just been having a good day on that set.
Crossovers 1-4 and pulls 1-4: Noticed a slight increase in my intensity.
Overall Day1 the only thing I can say that was abnormal was my 4th set of decline bench.
Day 2: Bi/Tris/Calves - no patches - no noticable differences in my workout or energy.
Day 3: Shoulders/Legs - Patches on each shoulder.
There was no noticable difference in reps or energy for any of my 32 sets between the 2 muscle groups.
Day 4: Rest - no patches
Day 5: Chest/Bis/Calves lightweight - Patches on each shoulder:
There was no noticiable difference in reps or energy for any of the 39 sets I performed.
Week 1 Thoughts: I am still wondering a bit about that 4th set on decline. I don't know where that extra strength came from, based on my results from week 1 I would say the patches do practically nothing. I will continue to keep an open mind and see what happens next week. I might try them daily like they suggest. I'll keep everyone updated. |
Boo
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 | 08:29 PM
Steve - when you say there are 'about 5 members in this forum' you seem to be missing an understanding.
Not only are there well over five people on this thread, you should know that the thread is on the old forum for MoH - unless one already knows of it, or googles 'Lifewave', it's not the easiest thread to stumble across. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 | 08:40 PM
Mike.
You seem to be a decent person trying to make some kind of sense, for yourself, of these patches.
David Schmidt and his company, LifeWave LLC, certainly haven't bothered. They are more intent in making the pyramid, rather Multi Level Marketing do its thing.
You have already put more effort into testing the patches than the company selling them. There is something very wrong with that picture don't you think?
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 12:12 AM
Thanks for the info Mike! I'll definitely be looking forward to next weeks report. You should try them on your shoes. Many of the lifewave websites have claimed that they work even when not touching your body. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 12:51 AM
EDHUK said:
"You have already put more effort into testing the patches than the company selling them. There is something very wrong with that picture don't you think?"
Well, they've sure put a lot of effort into APPEARING AS IF they've tested the patches. |
Coops
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 01:38 AM
Hey Mike, thanks for coming back to us.
Still my question, were the patches dry?
Coops |
Joel
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 08:16 AM
Here's a guy who's plugging Lifewave, the Advanced BioPhoton Analyzer, AND the Harmony Chip all on the same page.
http://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2006/11/new-zealand-rugby-team-wins-with.html
This guy wins the triple crown of stupidity.
He even manages to combine the devices for vastly improved results. ("Harmony Chip improves ABPA performance by 25x" - "[P]utting the chip on the ABPA antennae will cause the effects from the chip to be broadcast remotely to the entire body. This significantly improves all organ system functions and has led to a reduction of 80% of nutritional supplement requirements . . . ").
I wonder if Dr. Jeff got his medical degree from the same place as "Dr." David Schmidt.
Imagine the awesome power that would be unleashed by sticking Lifewave patches onto a Harmony Chip, and then sticking the Harmony Chip on the Advanced BioPhoton Analyzer's antenna. People would never need nutritional supplements, or even food or water, ever again. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 04:15 PM
Joel,
These scams all look the same after a while. Insert LifeWave for Harmony Chip and voila!
Dave |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 06:33 PM
Joel said:
"Imagine the awesome power that would be unleashed by sticking Lifewave patches onto a Harmony Chip, and then sticking the Harmony Chip on the Advanced BioPhoton Analyzer's antenna. People would never need nutritional supplements, or even food or water, ever again."
I'd be careful with that. I think it would cause the Earth to reverse rotation. |
Mike
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 | 11:55 PM
Coops,
No the patches were not dry. |
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