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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 | 05:35 PM
Joel said:

"Oh wait, I forgot, big pharma already HAS the rights to sell these things. That's because David Schmidt has no patent, and failed to apply for patents in any foreign countries. So big pharma is free to make and sell these honey and glycerin patches worldwide right now.
Oh wait, I forgot, big pharma already HAS the rights to sell these things. That's because David Schmidt has no patent, and failed to apply for patents in any foreign countries. So big pharma is free to make and sell these honey and glycerin patches worldwide right now."

Great point, Joel. I totally forgot that, in the absence of a patent, Big Pharma is completely free to simply "clone" LifeWave and sell it. One has to wonder why they wouldn't have done exactly that by now, especially given that the patches can't possibly cost more than a few cents to manufacture in quantity and could probably be sold for dollars each. Unless, of course, they realize that the stupid things don't do squat.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 | 12:11 PM
CMG

Didn't our buddy from Pluto already do some "cloning" of his own. Made it sound very simple. A few dollars worth of band aids and a simple $1800 machine.

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/

Easy peasy.

Big pharma would just have to set up a few rows of the machines and hey presto! A production line and big profits.

What a pity the Schmidt patch concept and his "new science" only exists in his head.

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Mickey Mouse
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 | 07:49 PM
OK guys enough patting each other on the back, you all love each other and at least that part of who y'all are is acceptable (non-scientifically speaking off course!!!)

Now, I guess I will at least have to mention LIFEWAVE once in the post to make it acceptable to Dave.....so I ask you this - Would skeptics and authorities have an absolute field day if LIFEWAVE PATCHES were to significantly hurt a user.....maybe if he/she got TOO MUCH energy and hyperventilated....what about serious side effect like a heart attack, a stroke, liver failure....surely the skeptics would call for a ban on such a dangerous product????

Are we in agreement here (all nod YES.....thank you 😊 )

Well, for those of you who claim that antibiotics are a CURE for disease please read the latest findings on Ketek.

http://www.newstarget.com/021604.html

I ask you the skeptics. WHY is this antibiotic still allowed to be given to humans if there are other "less toxic" drugs in the dispensary which would alleviate the "symptoms" of their disease.

At least 5 dead....I wonder how many the clinical trials killed before they realized how much was TOO MUCH to give a human.

You gotta love the FDA and the Pharmaceutical companies who are protecting us from the quacks and charlatans. At least those 5 poor souls won't need to worry about them any longer.

I ask would you feed your sons and daughter Ketek if they developed pneumonia EVEN if your MD highly recommended it???? Be honest now.....

<b>DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK.</b>

Sleep well knowing you are being protected by the best there is.

Mahola......
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 | 08:24 PM
Mickey, did you really shell out your hard earned money for a Bio-Photon Analyzer?
http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/ $1795 a pop, which includes $250 worth of essential accessories)
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 | 09:15 PM
Joel,

I spent the money on an ABPA yes I did indeed.

And I have had many an awesome placebo. 😊

See my logic is that I have 3 children and a wife - the children are not vaccinated and in the short time they have been on this earth I can count on one hand the amount of times they have been ill.

We live a holistic lifestyle which allows for a little bending of rules sometimes but all in all we do OK.

My daughters just sat up and watched SuperSize Me last week and now will NEVER eat fast food again.

These are the type of things I teach my children.

I don't have "full" Medical Insurance here in the good ol' USA because I would not use it even if they were to generate a disease like cancer etc.....however we do pay a small amount that would take the sting out of a visit to the ER should they break a limb or an emergency treatment was required. For this reason I would very happily use the technological advances western medicine allows. And be grateful.

Shit my favorite TV program is "House".

However, I do and I always will spend money on items that purport to do good for myself, my family and my friends. I will perform my level of due diligence and if it gets past MY filters I will purchase it. I look at it as my "Medical Insurance"

We will all check out of here at some stage, regardless of our lifestyles or health, moving on to greener pastures no doubt, I can at least on my death bed know that I have tried all that was lucky enough to cross my path.

I can still be a skeptic of new gizmos and gadgets which I am.....but that doesn't seal me into a one dimensional box. I LOVE to try new things.

Whoever said VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE was bang on target.

If I buy it and it doesn't work out for me, I just sell it on to someone else who needs to satisfy their curiosity. Maybe take a small hit financially, but hey you can't take it with you.

Just for the record - I will not be selling my ABPA anytime soon.

Happy Valentines.....Hugs & Kisses from Pluto.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 | 09:17 PM
Joel

Just for the record. I forgot to ask you personally.

If your doctor highly recommended your child take Ketek to help "cure" his ailment. Would you feed it to your child?
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 | 09:43 PM
Mic,

Interesting. I like trying and investigating new things too. That's why I spent so much time looking into Lifewave after some guy tried to sell them to me.

I can't answer today whether I would administer Ketek to my child. I haven't investigated it. I don't doubt, however, that there are many drugs or other standard treatments that have very bad side effects, side effects which may clearly outweigh the benefits in a number of applications. See, e.g., Thalidamide. I am skeptical of anybody when his or her self interest is at stake.

I am skeptical of our government. See, e.g., http://supreme.justia.com/us/483/669/case.html for a particularly repugnant case of the U.S. government willfully screwing innocent people, conduct that Justice O'Connor called "far beyond the bounds of human decency." Stanley v. United States, 483 U.S. 669, 709 (1987). That's what our government is capable of when they think they're unlikely to get caught. The invasion of Iraq particularly drives home how skeptical we should be of our government, not only on the question of motives and honesty but also on the question of basic competency to tell their asses from a hole in the sand.

And I was skeptical of David Schmidt and Lifewave. Until I investigated, at which point it became crystal clear that Lifewave is a SCAM.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 11:03 AM
Joel,

I couldn't agree with you more.

However just to play the Devils Advocate.....

You said: "And I was skeptical of David Schmidt and Lifewave. Until I investigated, at which point it became crystal clear that Lifewave is a SCAM."

There are millions of people in the USA who think their fearless leader is a hero and a Saviour. They investigated too most likely, to some extent, and are now convinced that what GWB is doing is for their safety and the safety of their families.

To them it is "crystal clear"

Are they wrong?

See nothing is as black and white as it seems. Truth is a very funny thing and you could listen to the same news story on five different news channels and get five different slants on it.

There is only one way to know for sure if something works for you and that is to try it. If it does not work then keep trying things until something does work.

I try things that I know will "do know harm" and have potential for good. If I am a "sucker" in some die hard skeptics book, I think I can live with that.....lol......

All in all I believe that I have bettered my health and that of my family by using this strategy, and if you think I am going to change it after listening to a few "egos" on the M of H site who can't wait to pat each other on the back when they are right about something....well sorry but I am not.

Does that mean Lifewave is a SCAM?

All I can honestly say is they worked for me and for over 20 other people who I personally know who tried them. From football teams to kickboxers to weekend warriors.

How the Lifewave owners run their business is not even close to the corruption they see in their leaders running their country, it almost seems like you need to be dishonest these days to be "successful?

I try not to worry about the "scammers" I use as I said before "MY" filters, if they get past them, well they get a sale, its pretty simple. I try not to impulse buy, but hey some of these advertisers, subliminal or otherwise have unfair advantages, I don't beat myself up too much if I purchase something that doesn't work, it goes down as experience, no physical harm done.

Life is a playground and I am a player - if I quit playing - whats left?

Onward......
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 03:15 PM
Mic - I'll agree with you that what DS is doing pales in comparison on the moral reprehensibility scale to what the U.S. government did to people as documented in the Stanley v. United States case, not to mention the Tuskegee syphilis experiments (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html).

And yes, it is still quite black and white that Lifewave is a scam. The fact that some people have not yet realized that they've been scammed, doesn't make it less of a scam. A "scam" is not defined by whether one needs to be sophisticated in order to understand the scam.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 05:13 PM
"Well, for those of you who claim that antibiotics are a CURE for disease please read the latest findings on Ketek."

GROAN

Once again.
This thread is about the LIFEWAVE PATCHES SCAM.

It is NOT about BIG PHARMA.

Please take your discussion to the thread set up FOR YOU.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2947/P20/


Thank you.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 05:19 PM
"Would skeptics and authorities have an absolute field day if LIFEWAVE PATCHES were to significantly hurt a user.....maybe if he/she got TOO MUCH energy and hyperventilated....what about serious side effect like a heart attack, a stroke, liver failure....surely the skeptics would call for a ban on such a dangerous product????"

As previously posted on this thread, David Schmidt is very comfortable with the 100% CERTAIN knowledge that if there were EVER a court case CLAIMING a harmful side effect he would WIN THE CASE.

He KNOWS he will 100% for SURE WIN the case because he KNOWS his product is a SCAM.

He KNOWS his product can DO NO HARM because it DOES nothing at all.

Elegant and simple.

Every day David Schmidt thumbs his nose at the world population and invites one and all to step up step up and buy my worthless product SUCKERS!!

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Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 06:52 PM
On the closely related issue of the Money Back Guarantee, which the LW supports point to as indicating that the silly patches do something, to me the guarantee helps indicate "scam." A Money Back Guarantee is good insurance against somebody suing DS and deposing him and all of his people and getting them to admit under oath that it's all a scam (or get caught in a web of lies). That's because a dissatisfied customer would have a hard time showing any damages if he only needed to ask for his money back in order to receive it.

Full refund = no damages = no cause of action = no embarassing depositions, no damning admissions, and no document discovery = the scam lives on.

Simple and elegant.

On the other hand, if DS refused to return somebody's $90, then that person would have a valid cause of action for fraud, and the jury would probably be chomping at the bit to nail his ass to the wall with punitive damages.

So that's why Money Back Guarantees are red flags that, when taken in combination other indicators, help to set off fraud sirens.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 07:06 PM
Dave,

We do know that in an astonishingly high number of cases, as we have seen plastered over the net, including my own personal experiences, that at the very least a "placebo effect" was taking place when the patches were worn.

Even on this LIFEWAVE SCAM thread if you count back ALL the participants over the months you will find more people with a positive result than a negative. In fact the only people who are still lingering with any doubt whatsoever are the people who have not yet tried them. Will not try them - BECAUSE THEY JUST KNOW THEY DON'T WORK. Like a Sixth Sense is at work. Now thats something for another thread also.....lol.....

In essence they raised my energy and strength significantly, they took pain away in others, they helped in a myriad of positive ways.

How does a placebo know to always only improve?
Is a placebo an intelligence all of its own?
Is there such a thing as a negative placebo?

Is it not logical to expect placebo to work the same both positive and negative. Making people better while making some worse.

Why do these band aids only seem to help people, even when the most skeptical of people try them.

Yep step up step up step up, sounds just like Big Pharma....only their products DON'T WORK and have DEADLY SIDE EFFECTS.

Elegant and Simple.....heck we even tell the dumbasses all the side effects of taking these drugs and they still buy them......at least you got the SIMPLE part right.

I think it was Adolph Hitler who once was quoted as saying <b>"What good fortune for those in power that people do not think" </b>

You would have fitted right in......
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 07:49 PM
Joel,

I hate to say it, because of all the posts on here yours are in my opinion most logical.

But your last post is baloney.

A Money Back Guarantee = SCAM. What?????

If LW didn't offer a money back guarantee would that be better for you. Off course not.

Money back guarantees are nothing more than making an online purchaser feel secure making their purchase over the internet.

Almost ALL online marketers worth their salt offer a MBG.

You were beginning to sound a little Orwellian there - Doublespeak.....

Positive Result = Placebo
Money Back Guarantee = Scam

With this logic you should be thinking:
Phony Dr Schmidt = Credible

LOL.....
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 | 08:07 PM
Mickey

I'm sure your words mean something to you.

I wrote you off a good while back.

Your continued ramblings reinforce the astuteness of my decision.

LOL
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 | 01:10 AM
"How does a placebo know to always only improve?
Is a placebo an intelligence all of its own?
Is there such a thing as a negative placebo?"

Wow, where to begin? Um, a "placebo effect" is by definition a person experiencing positive results from something which, according to the laws of physics, CANNOT impart those results.

In other words, they believe in the efficacy of the thing and their MIND makes them feel better. So the short answer to your question is, no, there really is no "negative placebo effect."

As for your claim that more people have reported good results from LifeWave than have reported negative results on this thread, well, this is hardly a scientific sampling. I think we've pretty well determined that a lot of people who have passed through here are/were LifeWave distributors or in some way connected with L.W.

Re your claim that no skeptic here has tried LifeWave, do I really need to remind you again that my wife tried them and experienced ZERO effect, positive or negative?
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 | 11:26 AM
Cranky,

In fact there is such a thing as a "negative placebo effect" it is called a Nocebo.

Described as:

In the opposite effect, <b>a patient who disbelieves in a treatment may experience a worsening of symptoms.</b> This effect, now called by analogy the "nocebo effect" (Latin nocebo = "I will harm") can be measured in the same way as the placebo effect, e.g., when members of a control group receiving an inert substance report a worsening of symptoms. The recipients of the inert substance may nullify the placebo effect intended by simply having a negative attitude towards the effectiveness of the substance prescribed, which often leads to a nocebo effect, which is not caused by the substance, but due to other factors, such as the patient's mentality towards her or his ability to get well, or even purely coincidental worsening of symptoms.

What amazes me is that in all the cases of people wearing LW patches it has always been a PLACEBO effect. Surely most of the people trying them didn't believe they would actually work so we should have seen more a "Nocebo Effect"

Is that not a little strange to you folks??

And as far as your wifes testimonial goes Cranky, scientifically your wife doesn't really count, she probably was scared to tell you of the effect in case you got EVEN MORE CRANKY - LOL......
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 | 06:12 PM
Yah, I was going to mention the nocebo affect as well. Though by definition a nocebo effect is not a placebo effect since, like CMG says, by definition a placebo effect is positive. It's just funky wording. Didn't someone post a study about it on here sometime recently or am I imagining things?
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 | 09:46 PM
So Razela, (or anyone) answer me this.....

If the majority of people trying the patches are skeptical that a "non-transdermal" bandaid is going to increase their energy, and the majority go into the trial with the thought that there is no way this can work.

Then why do we see only placebo and not nocebo?
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 12:40 AM
Razela said:

"Yah, I was going to mention the nocebo affect as well. Though by definition a nocebo effect is not a placebo effect since, like CMG says, by definition a placebo effect is positive."

I confess I've never heard of "nocebo" before, but I think I'm correct that a placebo by definition implies a positive outcome.

Razela makes a good point, in any case. Why doesn't anyway say that they had markedly LESS energy after using the patches?
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 01:21 AM
The nocebo effect occurs when people think that something will have an effect, but expect it to be a bad effect. People who think that LifeWave doesn't do anything won't have a nocebo effect because they can't have a nocebo effect. And the people who use it who do think that it might help will, if they experience anything, experience the placebo effect. You need people who will use it and believe that it will harm them in order for a nocebo effect, and that's a lot rarer.

And who says that there aren't any cases of a nocebo effect with LifeWave? There are plenty of people who have tried the patch and felt bad afterwards. If anything, the law of averages means that with all the patches out there, somebody will have had a bad day while wearing one. However, those people certainly aren't going to have their testimonials advertised by the LifeWave dealers, and they're not going to have the same level of marketing, financial interest, and personal interest in getting their testimonials broadcast to the world. So their testimonials are a lot harder to find.

Here's one:

"However in my case instead of increasing my energy and endurance, it had the opposite effect- I grew tired very easily while exercising, almost feeling exhausted and sleepy. As for the endurance claims, my results were pathetic there too. My number of reps decreased instead of increasing. And I couldn't lift the same amount of weight. It was a complete fiasco.

I notified the sponsor who told me some people had "reverse polarities" which could explain the problems I encountered. So she had me switch the patches the patches- white patch on left side, tan patch on right side. But again, same negative results. Then she got me in touch with her sponsor who seemed so brainwashed by his fantasies of making an mlm fortune that he refused to answer my simple questions. Apparently it seemed the guy only wanted to hear good testimonies and mine didn't fit into his little scheme of things."
Coops
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 11:15 AM
As mentioned before by me, I tried the patches before and felt an increase of energy for that day or at least a sense of well being. My argument with Lifewave isn
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 06:35 PM
Coops,

Thanks for you 1 cents worth.

Now I ask you this.

What we know is this.

Lifewave have introduced a so called "New Patch Technology" that at best is a little hard to believe actually works by most in the mainstream.

Their patch technology was approved not endorsed (for use without penalty)if I am not mistaken by the NCAA and by the Olympic committee as not adding any illegal substances or any substances to the body.

And as we have seen earlier this year the worlds strongest man proudly showed them off on camera, winning his title. Do you not think those are tightly regulated bodies doing drug tests on athletes who "appear" to be receiving an unfair advantage?

Lifewave claim that their patch is "non-transdermal" so don't come on and tell us you think it is transdermal if you have no proof.

Do you not think the FDA/FTC has not already satisfied their own standards allowing Lifewave to promote their patches as non-transdermal if indeed they did actually allow substances to cross over into the bloodstream?

I admire you for at least trying them and as skeptical as you probably were admitting you got a result. Its alot harder for other skeptics to perform those tests just in case they are faced with something they can't explain. Beyond a placebo effect.

Much easier to scream "Scam" and "I would never try those" than to be faced with such a dilemma.

There is no conspiracy Coops only truth, unfortunately it is alot stranger than fiction sometimes.

Welcome to the game.....
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 07:31 PM
What's wrong with Coops theory? I don't personally agree because I think it's more likely to be a placebo effect, but at least his idea is far more likely than anything that lifewave has come up with to explain how the patches work. Plus, we know that David Schmidt isn't beyond lying.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 07:46 PM
Coops

I know you have more sense than to take any notice of the idiotic patronizing ramblings of MMinP.

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Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 09:49 PM
Aw...isn't that nice Coops getting some good ol fashioned love from Pinky & Perky....must be chuffed he must.....

Coops said "I do believe that the patches ARE transdermal" and boldly stated "In my case the <b>evidence</b> of the patches are simply transdermal methods of transferring a solution into the bloodstream similar the nicotine patch, no magic, no illusions of something better, just a simple transdermal patch.

I just want to see the proof, the evidence - is that not what you clowns have been asking for since Day 1.

Coops did you try just taping the patches onto your body backwards. Try that and see if you get the same results. Surely that would prove if they are transdermal or not.

In my testing it mattered not if they were stuck on, front ways, backward or indeed if they were placed inside a ziploc baggie and taped on to the body.

Anybody out there want to show a poor little mousie some love.....LOL.....
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 11:45 PM
"Aw...isn't that nice Coops getting some good ol fashioned love from Pinky & Perky"


Awwww...which one am I?
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 11:47 PM
"Anybody out there want to show a poor little mousie some love"

I wrote you a nice post a few weeks ago remember? I think I called you my favorite lifewave supporter since you at least try to prove your argument with reason and don't quote off the lifewave webpages.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 | 11:52 PM
"I just want to see the proof, the evidence - is that not what you clowns have been asking for since Day 1."

Exactly! The fact is though, that Coops theory has just as much evidence as the theory that the patches work just as claimed. That is, there's not a shred of evidence for either and so both are probably false. That's why I said earlier that I don't support Coops' theory.

However, Coops' theory has a point in his favor over lifewave's claims. At least his theory follows the laws of the universe and is actually physically possible.
Coops
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 12:04 AM
I see that my 1 cents worth just added the needed value to the Lifewave system.

I never said that any illegal substance was added, but what if legal substances were added. If I drank a Red Bull I would definitely feel more energy and you would detect those
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 12:57 AM
Now Coops don't go making claims about the patches or heels on shoes that I didn't ever mention, or claim the patches are "my product" because if your start that carry on we will know right away where the "brown stuff" is..... ,ie - running down the side of your cheek...lol.....

Now if you follow the instructions like putting the patches on your shoulder points or knee points etc.....or wherever you put them initially to get your "positive response" just do the same again....only this time don't take the sticky back off turn them around and stick them to your body with some other form of tape - <b>IMPORTANT </b> Please make sure it is not the new Transdermal Red Bull tape they sell in K-Mart....

How something inside a sealed polymer shell gets through to even make contact with the skin is beyond me. Have you ever seen a TRANSDERMAL patch.....very different....
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 07:33 AM
"Lifewave is one of hundreds of companies that would fall into your "quack" category, but if they did happen to "prove" the patches worked, they would be instantly classified a "Drug" and their game would be over."

* * * * *

"In my testing it mattered not if they were stuck on, front ways, backward or indeed if they were placed inside a ziploc baggie and taped on to the body."

"How something inside a sealed polymer shell gets through to even make contact with the skin is beyond me. Have you ever seen a TRANSDERMAL patch.....very different...."


You can't have it both ways, Mickey Mouse. It's either a drug, or it's not. Which is it?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 08:15 AM
Whichever way you look at it, David Schmidt has LIED from the very beginning.

No doubt in his previous attempts at marketing his SCAM he encountered business partners with a shred of morals and ethics, hence they cut their ties with him.

In the present SCAM, we have seen a slow procession of characters who have entered his "business" with gusto preaching the party line. Then, when the truth dawns, they have exited the company hoping their name will be forgotten.

Meanwhile, we continue to have what appears to be an open debate about the mechanism behind the patches efficacy. Wireless signals or trans dermal substances?

Presumably, if a patch were sandwiched with a piece of white paper and left in a 96.5F environment, it would display the moisture or stain of the contents after a period of time.

If the patches are trans dermal, Schmidt has LIED in the most fundamental way.

If there is no moisture or staining, then the wireless theory, (change that to the heating and cooling theory from the latest version of the company web site) will continue to be the contender. A contender with STILL not one shred of evidence of ANY kind proving efficacy under accepted controlled conditions.

David Schmidt is a MAGICIAN with words. He has been able to convince formally rational people to suspend disbelief and join in with the illusion.

I imagine this thread will continue to attract the fringe element as it drags on toward the inevitable conclusion. Some will provide much needed comic relief. Some will spurt forth their hatred of the "establishment". Conspiracy theories to insults...it's all here.

What more do you need?

The punchline would be neat.

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Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 01:09 PM
Don't know about the punchline, but I got a tagline....

-------- <b>"The Boys From The Brown Stuff"</b>
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 06:07 PM
Accipiter,

Point taken on this end.

However the actual point I was trying to make, was that NO DRUGS actually cure any disease. And I mean cure like Vit C cures scurvy or water cures dehydration.....

Not like morphine cures my pain but the problem would still exist if I stopped taking the morphine.....or antibiotics send the virus packing for a while until it comes back with a vengeance only for the same antibiotic to be powerless to stop it.....

Are you aware of any drugs that cure a disease??
Please don't answer on this thread you better use the one Dave set up.....😊

This is probably the reason why the FDA/FTC have not pursued Lifewave over their claims because they can't really stop them from selling a product that is sealed within a polymer shell and who's contents are all listed on their GRAS list (on the off chance that one of the patches should leak)

And Dave all the lies told by Dr Schmidt do not prove scientifically one way or the other if the patches work or not. Certainly doesn't give him any scientific credibility, but if we were do expose every liar on the planet right now we might be enjoying world peace and no disease!!!!

I am not still hanging around here to prove that "Dr Schmidt" is a upstanding member of the community and should win the Man Of The Year Award, because really I don't care too much about David Schmidt or any other member of the LW company.

I wanted to know that when I try using the LW patches I get a positive result and when others I know have tried them they all got positive results.

I am very aware of a placebo effect however these figures out score any know placebo percentages in any DBCS ever, that I am aware of.

Like the rest of you I have got other things that my time could be filled with. In fact we are presently forming a Nutraceutical Company (which we in fact have FDA Food Grade Approval for) try getting that kind of approval now with our friends CODEX swarming, it is impossible.

Our all natural product line work much better in DB tests than ANY of the competing drugs. Obviously without the side effect.

What do the drug companies want to do....reverse engineer and synthesize our products......unfortunately when they take our products to their geniuses they cannot even come close to our results.....the secret sits beside the Colonels 11 Herbs & Spices.....a method stumbled upon by our formulator and chemist.

I am interested in things that I cannot explain and then I try looking for a logical explanation.

I have told of my exact experiences, and been ridiculed. I don't really care too much because it didn't change the results.

However things are now hotting up so I will not be checking the "Notify me of follow-up comments?" any longer.

I have enjoyed my little stint here at the Museum of Hoaxes, it has been rather enjoyable. I understand more now how about how some minds work, wouldn't this be a boring old life if we were all the same.

I may check in and say hi every now and then from Pluto, but for now I must check out. This thread has been taking up too much time already, I have said all I ever needed to say and I hope that some day you all find whatever it is you are looking for.

Healthy regards to you all and adious from Pluto...over and out.....MM
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 06:47 PM
"or antibiotics send the virus packing for a while until it comes back with a vengeance only for the same antibiotic to be powerless to stop it....."

Oh dear, we do seem to be operating at a very peculiar level.

"I may check in and say hi every now and then from Pluto, but for now I must check out."

We can but hope.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 | 11:23 PM
Awww...leaving already mickey? You've been my favorite lifewaver so far. Now I guess we'll have to sit back and wait for someone new to come along.
Coops
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 | 01:16 AM
Mickey, please don't go. Out of all the wavers you certainly entertained us the most.

Oh! and say hello to Mini for me.

Coops
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 | 12:56 PM
"Are you aware of any drugs that cure a disease??
Please don't answer on this thread you better use the one Dave set up....."

I already answered that a while ago. But I just went ahead and answerered you there again.

"I am very aware of a placebo effect however these figures out score any know placebo percentages in any DBCS ever, that I am aware of."

What figures?

Here's another point to consider: the FDA accepted his request for classification without any testing of their own. That means one of two things. It could mean that he has indeed performed all sorts of careful tests and studies of his product and shown conclusively that it's safe and harmless. If so, then why is David Schmidt hiding the results of these tests from the public while making only vague reference to them? The other option is that the LifeWave patches were determined to work according to the same principles as other products that the FDA has already approved. In that case, then either the whole idea of LifeWave being a new and revolutionary product is false, or else Schmidt lied to the FDA.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 | 05:48 PM
I think we're getting a little mixed up about the FDA thing. It's in this thread somewhere, and Bob at WWSN has done research on it.

Basically, any one of us can do what Schmidt has done to get a listing. I believe it costs $75.

Perhaps someone else can remember where the reference is about the FDA connection, but I do remember it has NOTHING to do with approval of a product etc. It is essentially a WORTHLESS connection EXCEPT when a person is running a scam.

A scam artist loves to be able to mention FDA, names of famous athletes etc. That's how gullible people get suckered in so easily.

By its very nature, LifeWave patches appeal to the fringes of society. people who love "alternative" anything. Shy away from "medicine", don't allow their kids to be vaccinated and hope every OTHER kid in school has been vaccinated so their kid doesn't get something (that's if they aren't being "home schooled".

For people like this who spend a couple of grand on some other scam, a hundred bucks a month is small change.

Never mind, another "interesting" person will happen to "find" this thread and grace us with their insight and wisdom as to why we have all got it wrong about David Schmidt and his wacky patches.

I can't wait.

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Accipiter
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 | 10:45 AM
"I think we're getting a little mixed up about the FDA thing. It's in this thread somewhere, and Bob at WWSN has done research on it.

Basically, any one of us can do what Schmidt has done to get a listing. I believe it costs $75."

There is actually a bit more to it than that. There are three classifications of medical devices (called, originally enough, Class I, Class II, and Class III). The latter ones are the ones that get really invasive and fancy, and so they require all sorts of testing. But for types I or II, it's a lot simpler. You can go one of two different ways to apply for those classifications.

The first is to have tests done that the FDA will accept as valid proof that your product is safe to use when used according to its instructions. You then turn over to the FDA all the information relating to these tests, and if they agree with the evaluations they'll give you your type I or II certification.

The other option is to show proof that your product is basically the same as some other product that has already been classified by the FDA (that earlier product being a predicate). So what you do is to send them the paperwork that tells how your product works, and shows how its method of function isn't any different from its predicate.

Now, I'm not sure if it can be done, but might it be possible to ask the FDA for whatever type of paperwork and documentation that Schmidt sent in to them? He doesn't even have a patent on it, so I don't see there being any bar in that regards. If somebody could see that paperwork, though, then we'd get either Schmidt's own words on how his product isn't actually a new breakthrough, or else we'd get to see the nature and results of the testing that he says he's done on his product. Either case would be informative.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 | 03:25 PM
Accipiter,

I emailed Bob at WWSN and he reminded me the $75 was the original Patent application fee. The Class I medical device was the band aid thing.

Either way you look at it, LifeWave is slowing down to the inevitable end. As long as Schmidt can get his hands on some loot he'll keep going, but even he will reach a point where it's not worth it.

Now, imagine that you really did invent an amazing patch system. You would make very sure you obtained worldwide patents so that you could make a great deal of money. Schmidt doesn't have a patent because he doesn't have anything real to be looked at.

The process takes about as long as it does to rip off a great number of people and then head for the hills.

Elegant, simple, crooked.

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Mike
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 | 07:13 PM
Sorry for randomly jumping into the conversation.. I read about the first 5 pages then skipped to the last. My buddy swears by these patches and gave me some so I decided to try 'em out with skepticism... I'm pretty much a health freak and tried these out this morning and decided to research 'em tonight. Oddly enough they did improve my workout and reps basically like they said they would... but I'm not completely positive that it wasn't just something mental as your mind is definitely capable of producing effects... anyway has anyone else actually tried these things?
the >>>>>>>
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 | 08:40 PM
there ya go ED... or should i say... Dr. Eddie ??? heh heh heh( the nets an amazing place for info isent it ?? ).....more fresh meat that you idiots love to thrive on.... now go sick em boy... bedazzel him with all your vast knowledge of the closed mind.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 | 10:01 PM
Mike,
Yes others here have tried them. Please read the remaining 193 pages to see our response to your apparent positive results.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 | 12:01 PM
Sorry, Mike ignore "the>>>..." It's probably just a pissed off lifewave distributer afraid he might lose another victim.

I know 193 pages seem like a lot, but seriously, there's a lot of information there. I would suggest taking a good hour to really look over as many pages as you can and then make your own decision on what you think about the lifewave patches.

Also, EDHUK has got a really great link on the effectiveness of placebos. Unfortunately, I've got to run right now, but I promise that if I get back from work before someone else has posted it, I'll find it myself for you. I do hope you stick around, no matter what decision you end up making about the patches.

If you do decide that you think they are the real deal, can you explain your reasoning on the forum? Sorry, but I'm interested because I honestly have trouble understanding how people can look over the evidence and still think they are for real. I am genuinely interested in the thought process that comes to that conclusion.

Also, if you have any more specific questions after looking over more of the previous posts, definitely ask. I'm sure you'll get a quick response from both sides of the fence.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 | 12:03 PM
Oh, and one more comment, it's great to see another San Diegan around here, though I have to say, with all the rain lately it hasn't exactly felt like so cal. Ok, sorry....back on topic then.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 | 12:04 PM
Ooops...a quick apology for the plethora of commas in the previous post. It seems I was just a bit too enthusiastic.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 | 05:18 PM
the >>>>>>> or Mickey...

"there ya go ED... or should i say... Dr. Eddie.."

Seems like you're barking up the wrong tree buddy. Certainly barking anyway.

Nice try though.

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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 | 06:15 PM
Mike said:

"[H]as anyone else actually tried these things?"

Yup, my wife tried the patches. She felt NO effect, positive or negative, and I sent the patches on to James Randi, who put a picture of them on his website.

Enjoy reading this thread, Mike. Yeah, it's big, but there's some entertaining stuff on it.

Welcome to the discussion, by the way.
the>>>>>>>
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 | 02:42 AM
the wrong tree ??? I dont think so Dr. Heath

I told you before... you wont be rid of me.... ( do you rememeber me ??? )
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 | 11:49 AM
"( do you rememeber me ??? )"

I sure do watcher, but as I'm not "Dr. Heath" I'm not sure what your point is.

Try to make your point, if you actually have one, on the David Schmidt patches SCAM while you can.

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watcher...
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 | 02:39 AM
how very sad....... the crier of SCAM wants to scam all of us on this thread as well when his cover is blown....... what does that say about your integrity Eddie ??? you chastise David Schmidt for being a charlatan... but you need to turn your sites on yourself...........

should i give all your intimate details away ???.... i have them you know.....

should i contact Casey or Lyn... ??? or have they been replaced. ??? i know you know...... should i call you at home at we can chat ???


and here you thought my posts were a joke....
Coops
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 | 01:20 PM
Ok, so you caught him. He is a serial killer. Well Done!

Now back lifewave...........
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 | 11:29 AM
You better be a bit more careful watcher. I would say you're pretty close to having the mods ban you.
Mike
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 | 06:42 AM
Well thank you for the responses and I actually did do quite a bit of reading. I've been on a few forums before and I admit the intelligence level of this one is pretty amazing so props to everyone with their vast knowledge and witty humor =). I couldn't agree more with the majority of the negative responses as it really all seems like bs to me. Even though it does seem like that, I'm probably going to try a months supply out just for the hell of it because of how I felt. Either way I'll be sure to let people know my real opinion based on trying it out. My speculative opinion is based on reason like most people's is in that there's no way... but I'm still going to try it out. Thanks for the useful information.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 | 03:29 PM
Mike, definitely come back after your one month trial (or even during) and let us know what you thought of it!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 | 07:40 PM
watcher

"...and here you thought my posts were a joke...."

There is nothing funny about your posts. You have contributed nothing to this thread other than abusive language and vague threats.

You have clearly decided you "know" who I am.

1. You are wrong.

2. What difference would it make to David Schmidt's worthless patches if you were right?

So, go ahead, knock yourself out contacting whoever. It won't affect me in any way.

Now, as has been said, back to the discussion about this MLM scam.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 | 08:06 PM
Mike in San Diego

Here's a link to a report on the placebo study done in the US in 2005.

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

This type of study involving MRI and PET scanning technology has been repeated worldwide. Real studies with verifiable, repeatable results.

A concept as far from the fake "Dr" Schmidt's understanding as his ability to look anyone in the eye and tell the truth.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 | 11:08 PM
With Mickey gone, does that mean Joel's test is off?
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