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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 | 11:11 PM
Oooops. I was going to post that placebo study after I got back from work and then forgot since it was on the last page of the forum. Oh well.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 04:58 AM
Captain Al said:

"With Mickey gone, does that mean Joel's test is off?"

And he was SO gung-ho about it, wasn't he?

Oooh, look! First post of Page 200! Whoooooo!
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 04:59 AM
Oops, spoke too soon. :(
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 10:31 AM
Not only 200 pages, but the forums 2 year birthday was only 4 days ago. Happy Birthday Lifewave Thread!

Think we'll make it to year 3? I think lifewave's downward spiral may not even last that long.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 04:31 PM
Mike,

"Either way I'll be sure to let people know my real opinion based on trying it out. My speculative opinion is based on reason like most people's is in that there's no way... but I'm still going to try it out."

Don't you find it fascinating that after all this time you have to conduct your own "trial" of the patches to see if the "work" for you?

Isn't it a little odd that the company manufacturing said patches is unable to produce one shred of verifiable, repeatable research that follows accepted standards of scientific study?

If you try the magic patches for a month and "feel" something, what then?

Do you give Schmidt more of your hard earned money as well as your tacit approval of his "product" consisting of glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) patches?

Now that Schmidt has changed his mind about how the patches work, wouldn't it be cheaper to alternately put an ice cube on your skin followed by a warm flannel?

If my questions sound a little trite I assure you they are not. I am deadly serious.

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Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 08:25 PM
. . . or you could always just smear honey on one side of your chest and glycerin on the other, and see if you suddenly start burning 20% more fat.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 08:54 PM
Razela said:
"Not only 200 pages, but the forums 2 year birthday was only 4 days ago. Happy Birthday Lifewave Thread!"

On a related note, I've always wondered what happened to Fawkes, the one who started this thread. He or she only made the original post and then was never heard from again. Does he/she know it has by far the most posts of any thread on MOH?
yup
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 | 09:43 PM
http://www.allpetsasheville.com/staff.htm


take a bow butthead
Mike
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 | 12:27 AM
Edhuk,

I agree with your perspective and definitely see your point so I'll simply answer your question.

If after wearing these patches I notice a *major* difference in my workout, yes I will continue to use them.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 | 02:07 AM
Hey, "yup," do you have a point?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 | 12:07 PM
yup, aka the watcher, aka the >>>>>>>

For some strange reason you appear to be obsessed with exposing my "real" identity. Your latest post demonstrates how very small you really are.

Whoever Dr. heath is, I'm sure he would be very surprised to receive your call!

1.Why wouldn't my identity be:
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Eastman+Dental+Hospital+(London,+UK)
2. Why would it matter to anyone what my identity is.

It's the content of this thread that is of interest. Where is the meaningful content from you?

Meanwhile, back at LifeWave headquarters, Schmidt is trying to figure out a new angle to get more sales going before the inevitable end of his scam.

Using your infantile search technique, YUP, you are:

http://blogs.msdn.com/alexbarn/archive/2006/05/03/589665.aspx

Now what?

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Coops
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 | 12:53 PM
Hey Mike, please try an experiment for me. When you next try the patch don't pull off the sticky backing but simply put on the patch back-to-front. Use a band aid to hold it in place.

Please let us/me know if the patch is dry by the end of the day. I really think the patch is trans dermal.

Coops
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 10:24 AM
I started posting on this thread a while back for a particular reason to do with a friend of mine.

I've been learning as I go how these forums work as, prior to this forum, I had not ventured to put my thoughts "out there".

I have also been learning how scams work from other posters experienced in the inevitable progression of these things.

The word on the grapevine is that LifeWave might just be entering the last "phase" of this scam. The phase where the orders, and thus the cash, start to dry up. When this happens, so I'm told, vendors and distributors start to wait for their money.

Like any other "business" people are only patient for a certain time before pulling the plug. Then, as I have also learned, it's crash and burn time. A scenario that's been repeated time and again.

From the ashes will emerge who knows what? Something will take its place because, as we have seen here, there will always be people willing to suspend disbelief and send off their money.

Amazing but true.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 01:16 PM
More amazing but ?true.

http://www.1regeneration4life.com/

Dr. Page is in to everything. He is a LifeWave distibutor and he can provide "electro magnetic energy field readings".

Unfortunately he's a little behind the times as he is still using the "Patches Frequency Modulate (FM) Human magnetic field" "The patch "transmits" the instructions to the cells" sales pitch.

Perhaps he'll change it to the "heating and cooling effect that encourages your body to burn more fat" explanation that David Schmidt dreamt up a few months ago.

Meanwhile our muscular Dr., or at least a picture of a muscular man with his face photo shopped onto it, will carry on with the "LifeWave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 01:27 PM
The good Dr. Page makes an excellent representative for the LifeWave mission.

He'll even help you if you have "Cronic Fatigue"
and candiasis "symptomes".

Maybe spelling wasn't part of the "training".

LifeWave has gained another perfect ally!

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Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 03:12 PM
Dave/EDHUK wrote,
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 06:35 PM
Joel,

"...the most likely explanations for Lifewave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 08:10 PM
http://www.energyrich.com/html/latest_news.html

"Stevie Wonderboy was the winner in the Two Year Old race in the Breeder's Cup, the most prestigious race in north America, if not the world. Here, he is training wearing the patches on his chest, the equivalent of Lung 1 in humans."

Great advertising from our friend Rich.

Funny how, when things go wrong, you don't hear from Rich about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Wonderboy

"On February 7, 2006, it was announced that Stevie Wonderboy had suffered a hairline fracture in his ankle. On February 8, a screw was inserted in to his leg to correct the fracture. The announcement was made that he would not race in the Kentucky Derby or any of the Triple Crown races."

Oh dear, maybe the patches were too "strong" for the horses ankles?

Right!

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 | 08:43 PM
http://www.lifewave.com/pdf/Papers/SciencePaper001-LWThermalPatchesShortVersion.pdf

Dr Haltiwanger makes it all sound so "reasonable".

"When acute trauma, like an athletic injury, occurs to an area of the body a sensation of pain is created and vasodilation of the blood vessels occurs within the affected area. This creates more blood flow into the area and "hot" thermographic findings or images. LifeWave research studies now show that the application of LifeWave thermal patches results in cooling effect over the affected area that can be consistently documented with computerized digital infrared thermal imaging. Infrared imaging of the body both before application of LifeWave patches and 5 minutes after application of LifeWave patches shows a cooling effect on hot spots. This scientific instrument clearly documents that LifeWave patches fit the definition of disposable thermal patches."

So the horse didn't "feel" the hairline crack until later?

I do hope the trainer realized he was influencing vasodilation in Stevie Wonderboy. And let's not forget:

"In contrast, the organic molecules in LifeWave patches act like frequency specific narrow band antennas or mirrors as compared to the inorganic ceramic crystals found in infrared products, which are broad band emitters."

Mmmm I wonder if the trainer knew his horse was a galloping "transmitter"? Would the doplar effect still apply as the horse galloped by?

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Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 12:19 AM
Dave/EDHUK,

"David Schmidt originally laid out $75. He has more than had his money's worth from the "patent pending" outlay."

The filing fee for the provisional patent application was $75. David Schmidt wrote that application himself (by all indications), so he only invested $75 for that step.

However, his non-provisional patent application was filed by the law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn et al. in Reston, VA. Judging from that application, they took Schmidt's written guesses about a supposed pulsating human magnetic field and his guesses as to what honey and molasses supposedly do to that field, and his guesses about what that in turn would do to the human body, and tweaked that description and wrote claims to turn it into a regular patent application. DS probably paid that law firm a few thousand dollars for that work, including the $770 filing fee. So DS shelled out a few thousand dollars for the patent application, I would guess in the neighborhood of about $5000.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 01:44 AM
Joel, sorry if I'm a little ignorant, but what exactly is an "office action?"
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 01:48 AM
". . .and vasodilation of the blood vessels occurs within the affected area. . . ."

No, the opposite usually happens. When you're injured, the blood vessels constrict to try to reduce bleeding.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 01:58 AM
Joel,

Given that LifeWave has claimed to have made many millions from the patches, $5000 would be a great deal for this scam.

Someone pointed out (was it you?) that Schmidt didn't bother with worldwide patents, something a bona fide company would have been sure to do.

In the meantime perhaps the owner of the racehorse Stevie Wonderboy, Merv Griffin, will be asking a few questions about the claimed use of LifeWave patches during his horse's training sessions.

LifeWave has always claimed amazing percentage increases in energy 20%, 40%, whatever. Try putting an extra 20%, 40% stress on a horse's ankles not used to it and what would you get? A fracture maybe?

Joking aside, we both know Schmidt has nothing to worry about. As I have stated many times on this thread, Schmidt can be 100% confident that he will NEVER be convicted of any "problems" caused by the patches.

A 100% level of confidence due to his knowledge that the patches contain glucose (brown) and glycerin (white) and nothing else. That is unless he changed the specifications of his scam patches after the original MVA testing.

Now THAT would be a case for Court TV!

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Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 11:27 AM
Razela asked, "what exactly is an 'office action?'"

An office action is an official communication from the PTO after the application is complete, for which some response in required. If that sounds like a pretty generic term, it is. The phrase "office action" covers several types of possible communications from the PTO.

In the case of the Lifewave patent application, the PTO issued what is called a restriction requirement and a requirement for election of species. Essentially, the PTO is saying, "Hey, you've got a number of different inventions you're trying to get a patent for in this single application. You can't do that. Tell us which particular invention you want us to examine (bracelets, watches, pendants, or patches? Applied to the skin, or to the body? For relieving pain, or increasing strength, or increasing stamina? With which substance in it?). Once you've narrowed your application down to a single invention, we'll examine that invention for patentability and then get back to you. If you want to get a patent on any of the non-elected inventions, you'll need to file separate applications and pay the government fee for each one of those."

Responding to this type of office action usually takes little attorney time, but it does take a strategic decision from the client.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 11:35 AM
EDHUK's last post makes me wonder whether there are any negative effects of placebos. If a pain relief placebo makes the body produce endorphins, for example, do endorphins have any negative effects on the complex chemistry of the body? Does the body release anything else that might have negative effects?

I'm going to guess that placebos don't have any significant negative biological effects on the body, because the body is an amazing machine perfected by millions of years of evolution (or God, whichever you believe in). If merely mental thoughts were enough to do significant harm to the body, I'm sure those individuals would get picked off the evolutionary ladder pretty quickly.

Still, it's an interesting question. I wonder if anybody has done any study on it.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 12:16 PM
EDHUK wrote, "Joel, . . . Someone pointed out (was it you?) that Schmidt didn't bother with worldwide patents, something a bona fide company would have been sure to do."

The answer isn't quite that simple.

A sophisticated company that has a valuable new product WILL try to get foreign patents. But that's requiring 2 conditions that probably weren't met in this case.

First, getting worldwide patents can be extremely expensive. Competent companies with a valuable product will often get patents in a few strategically selected countries where they will be marketing their products, and in which think that they are mostly likely to face competition. The major European countries, Japan, Korea, China, and Mexico are popular foreign countries in which to seek patent protection.

It appears, however, that Lifewave failed to file patent applications in any foreign countries. Now I can't say that with absolute certainty, but I know that they failed to use the procedural route (the PCT route) which is by far the most common route, and the route which would have been highly advisable in this case. Plus, Lifewave has never stated that they filed for any foreign patents.

Second, if you place your product on the market and THEN try to seek patents, your attorney will tell you, "Doh! It's too late to seek foreign patents now. If you first placed your product on the market less than 1 year ago, we can still file for a patent in the U.S., but not in any foreign countries." (Disclaimer - The rules are a little more complex than that, but that's a good first approximation).

In this case, my best guess is that DS didn't file for any foreign patents for the dual reasons that (1) he didn't want to spend the few thousand dollars initially and the several tens of thousands of dollars eventually trying to get foreign patents for what he knew was a scam product for which no patent was likely to ever be granted, and (2) by the time he first went to an attorney to try to get his U.S. patent it was already too late to file for foreign patents.

If, however, DS had ever bothered to consult a patent attorney before selling his first products (and shouldn't his 2 years of business school at Pace University taught him that he should at least seek out the advice of competent patent counsel, or shouldn't DS have been smart enough to figure that out on his own?) and IF he believed that Lifewave products work as advertised, then he definitely would have taken the steps necessary to preserve his right to pursue foreign patents. Several tens of thousands for the patent rights in most major industrialized countries would be a drop in the bucket compared to the money that those patent rights would bring.








Second,
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 12:22 PM
But basically, EDHUK is right: A bona fide and competent company would have filed for many foreign patents for the Lifewave patches if those patches came anywhere close to working as advertised.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 12:45 PM
Joel,

I think our road leads to the city of "SCAM" on "Gullible Highway" across "Suspend Reason" bridge.

Yet, even after all this time, there are newbies getting swept up in the excitement of the LifeWave promise.

Go figure!

Cheers.
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Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 05:57 PM
I just remembered, that DS had been the named inventor on at least 3 patent applications (serial numbers 09/887531, 09/886,935, and 09/775,550 on behalf of Millenium Energy LLC / Advanced Applications Group, Inc. (http://aagideas.com/site/page/about.htm ) the "Georgia think tank" that today doesn't mention any of DS's supposed inventions on its website). Those applications were all rejected by the PTO and never went anywhere.

So DS probably knew fully well from his prior dealings with patent attorneys that if he didn't file his patent applications before he put his first products on sale, he would not be allowed to file for foreign patents, and it wasn't through ignorance of the law that he didn't file foreign applications in time. He probably simply knew that filing for foreign patents would be throwing money away.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 06:15 PM
Here's something new (or at least, to me).

Amasys / Lifewave Nanocommunications LLC
http://www.amasys.us/lifewavenc/

It looks like the site is still under development, because there is no site up yet at the TLD of http://www.amasys.us.

See also http://www.lifewavenc.com

That site lists a corporate address of:
LifeWave NanoCommunications, LLC
6405 Lake Meadow Drive
Burke, VA 22015

It says that this new company will try to sell Lifewave products in bulk to the military. The "Leadership" is DS and Haltiwanger, plus Teddy Allen and Suzanne McHale. The domain name registrant for amasys.us. was Aria Kasray.

More stuff to analyze.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 08:22 PM
Joel, Thanks for the links.

Fascinating stuff. Not too many months ago Schmidt was touting his new skin care regime, the surgical free face lift. Now the glutathione appears as if by magic here:

http://www.amasys.us/lifewavenc/

Now it's "Defensewave"

"Lieutenant General Kiley, Surgeon General of the Army, undergoing a strength test by Dr. Steve Haltiwanger."

http://www.amasys.us/lifewavenc/

Perhaps if the Army gets duped into buying this stuff it might be the first time the general public can raise questions about using their tax money to fund a SCAM?

Cheers Joel.

Dave
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Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 09:33 PM
The military supposedly DID buy $700 hammers, so why not Lifewave patches?

This will be fascinating to see if the military buys these things. Perhaps someone wants to contact Surgeon General Kiley (http://www.armymedicine.army.mil/leaders/kiley.html ) and see what the Army thinks of these patches, and why.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 | 10:34 PM
LifeWave Nanocommunications LLC
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 01:13 AM
Wow, that's some great detective work, Joel. My metaphorical hat is off to you.

By the way, when I read that the L.W. people are planning on selling their bogus goods to the military, I sent an email to James Randi, directing him to this page. Recently, he wrote on his website about a company trying to sell a device called the Sniffex, which purports to be able to detect explosive material at a distance, to the military. As you've probably guessed, it's nonsense. I thought Randi would be interested in LifeWave's new direction.

Like you said, this WILL be interesting.
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 11:25 AM
Thanks, CMG. The Sniffex thing is interesting. The company claims that it works via interaction of "electromagnetic fields" and using "free radicals" (buzzwords that are also invoked by Lifewave). The Navy's study concluded flat out in 2005 that the thing is absolutely useless. Nevertheless, the company still features this amazing new invention/product on its website.

Even when a product is proven to be useless, the scam lives on by attracting a seemingly never ending supply of investors who dream of riches and who are seduced by buzzwords and slick salesmen, but who don't do their homework.

I suspect that LifeWave will be with us for awhile longer.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 12:34 PM
I would think that the military would first want to test lifewave before buying, much in the same way they tested sniffex. Of course, the test itself will probably cost a few million knowing the US gov'ts cost efficiency.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 02:07 PM
Joel said:

"Thanks, CMG. The Sniffex thing is interesting. The company claims that it works via interaction of "electromagnetic fields" and using "free radicals" (buzzwords that are also invoked by Lifewave)."

Yeah, the "electromagnetic" thing jumped out at me when I read about Sniffex on Randi's site. I guess there are only so many concepts that scammers assume the marks don't understand to employ when selling snake oil.

Razela said:

"I would think that the military would first want to test lifewave before buying, much in the same way they tested sniffex."

Yes, you would think that. I wonder, though, if they really test every product offered to them, or if Sniffex was an anomaly.

With the revelation that one of LifeWave's priciples is a contributor to the Republicans, I wonder if perhaps the skids are greased a little bit? I just hope they don't start handing out LifeWave patches to patients at Walter Reed.
Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 02:35 PM
Lifewave invokes many common snake oil buzz words (human energy fields and meridians, detoxification, Chakra points, resonant frequencies, balancing the body, improving and regulating energy flow within the body, and nanotechnology which is real but greatly overused and overhyped).

I do, however, have to hand it to David Schmidt for devising at least two entirely new bedazzle-them-with-bullshit phrases that he dreamed up: "human thermomagnetic field" and "software for the body."

David Schmidt has made a significant contribution to the already rich palette of colors and textures used by scam artists. Cheers, "Dr." Schmidt.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 05:13 PM
Joel, CMG, Razela,

I think LifeWave's foray into the military field might just prove to be their undoing.

I don't think the military will take too kindly to the idea that they have been played like chumps!

CMG, I too sent an email to Randi and the Army Surgeon General. I'll look with interest to Randi's view of an Army Surgeon General being "used" on the LifeWave website.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 05:21 PM
Of course, at this particular moment in time, I don't think Lt. Gen Kily will have any time to be concerned with the small fish that is LifeWave LLC.

"So the decision to have Lt. Gen. Kiley lead Walter Reed in the interim has left some senior pentagon officials fuming. One said, in private, "they fired the wrong guy and promoted the wrong guy."

Soldiers returning from Iraq and their treatment , or lack of it, will be taking priority for some time to come.

I can hear David Schmidt laughing his socks off.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 05:30 PM
"Glutathione, a master antioxidant, is produced naturally by our body but declines with age. DefenseWave
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 06:14 PM
Hehe Edhuk. As much as that is a nice visual, I'm pretty sure Randi's test has something in there about not doing any test that may harm the victim.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 | 06:29 PM
Razela,

Where's the risk?

David Schmidt says it works.

Good enough, right?

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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 01:17 AM
EDHUK said:

"CMG, I too sent an email to Randi and the Army Surgeon General. I'll look with interest to Randi's view of an Army Surgeon General being "used" on the LifeWave website."

Good, the more the merrier. Randi's a pretty good shit stirrer. Let's give him a BIG spoon.

Hmm, I don't know anyone at the Washington Post anymore or I'd send them a link to this page. With the stuff they've been breaking about the substandard care of veterans, maybe they'd be interested in a follow-up about pseudo-scientific stuff the military *might* be considering purchasing.

I think it would be hard at this point for "Dr." Schmidt to claim that he really believed in the patches' efficacy. Selling them, especially to the military, while knowing they're worthless, would seem to my non-lawyer mind to certainly constitute fraud.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 02:30 AM
CMG,

We've watched, with great interest, the claims made by David Schmidt over the past months.

Two sticky patches that give you energy, even if you put them on your shoes!

Patches that put you to sleep.

Patches that take away pain.

Patches that provide a surgical free face lift.

Now the face lift patch is reborn as DefenseWave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 02:48 AM
Clearly the latest push to add the military to the "users" list is evolving as we post.

http://www.lifewavenc.com/rest-wave.html

This RestWave page from the website has the SAME blurb as the DefenseWave page.

http://www.lifewavenc.com/defense-wave.html

No doubt this will be changed shortly. LifeWave has a habit of screwing up their websites until we "kindly" point out the errors here. Then, just like magic, the errors go away!

http://www.lifewavenc.com/research.html

Here we see a "clinical research program" carefully conducted over the past 4 years.

Who can remember LifeWave staff explaining that research costs a great deal of money and that's why they were selling the patches BEFORE they conducted clinical tests!

http://www.lifewavenc.com/completestudy.html

Once again Schmidt rolls out the same tired old "studies".

Even the wacky horse study makes an appearance. The very study that prompted the Journal that printed it to instigate a peer review committee to prevent such ridiculous studies from being accepted for publication in the future!

http://www.lifewavenc.com/pdf/Research009-TroyStateStudy.pdf

Once again the TROY STATE "study" is published despite the fact that LifeWave has been served with cease and desist papers on more than one occasion.

http://www.lifewavenc.com/pdf/Research010-MorehouseStudyAbstac.pdf

Surprise surprise, the Morehouse "study" appears despite the cease and desist papers being served on LifeWave in this case.

David Schmidt keeps rolling along. Legal technicalities are of no interest to him.

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Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 06:39 AM
I guess someone should be notifying Troy and Morehouse, again.
Coops
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 09:11 AM
I am expecting "How do you know the DefenseWave patch doesn't work against anthrax, have you tried the patch?"

Coops
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 10:06 AM
Seriously, those DefenseWave things are dangerous. Up to this point, those are the first potentially extremely hazardous patch that has come out (if it doesn't work of course!) They must be really struggling to find new customers if they are going this far.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 04:37 PM
EDHUK said:

"Will the people who blindly bought into the wacky patches so far actually believe that Schmidt has a patch that will protect them from biological agents?"

I'm not convinced that some people won't fall for that. I mean, once you accept the unproven notion of the "electromagnetic field" around the human body, you can rationalize damn near anything.

"Every time I see the next crazy idea to come out of Schmidt central I think Joe public will see through the SCAM."

Yeah, I think like that at times, too, but I have to remind myself that the vast majority of people don't pay nearly as much attention to scams, hoaxes and their methodology as we do. We look at a new scam and think, "Gee, this looks a lot like" whatever we've seen in the past. Other people, not having that frame of reference, see only the surface layer (the specifics) of the scam and think it's something brand new.

You must have noticed in the past how some of us skeptics run into a brick wall with believers when we explain how the "mechanics" of these kind of things work. WE see these things in macro; believers see them in micro (if that makes sense.)

"His business might not be doing so well, hence the push to sell to the military, but surely he isn't going to hoodwink the US military, or is he?"

I'm not very sanguine about that. One would think (and hope) that goods and services offered to the military undergo some process of scrutiny, but recent news stories would indicate that, if there is such a process, it isn't nearly as rigorous as we might like.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 | 04:39 PM
I said:

"With the revelation that one of LifeWave's priciples is a contributor to the Republicans, I wonder if perhaps the skids are greased a little bit?"

Oops. Obviously, I mistyped "principles." I SHOULD have said "principals," anyway.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 08:00 AM
So Lifewave is going to try to sell patches to the military to help guard against anthrax and other biological agents?

I wonder what testing instructions Lifewave will give to the Army in order to determine which soldiers "suffer from reverse polarity" (in the words of Lifewave distributor Dr. Lauren DeRock, whose seminal horse study convinced the American Holistic Veterinarian Association that in the future it should peer review articles prior to publication).

After all, if a soldier suffers from reverse polarity, wouldn
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 12:16 PM
Joel,

When I read the new websites, there was a moment when I actually thought someone had done a very clever parody of the LifeWave company!

This stuff is so hilarious you couldn't get the scriptwriting team from SNL to come up with it in a hundred years.

If I drank milk I know it would come out of my nose!

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 12:32 PM
Just like the previous LifeWave websites that were hastily put together, a quick look at the new sites is informative.

1) How does DefenseWave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 12:43 PM
Schmidt is even using olde English in his text.

� "Glutathione patch a series of electromyography, blood and urine tests have been underway over the past yea on the LifeWave Glutathione patch."

Oh yea, oh yea. Roll up roll up for the biggest load of ...........

"These results of these studies..."

What, THESE studies over here?

"...there is a very rapid excretion of heavy metals such as mercury from the urine."

What, not from the body?

Did I mention Schmidt is rushing like crazy to get the new websites up and running?

Yea, Yea!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 12:48 PM
Schmidt's clever attempt to get around the cease and desist orders served on him by Morehouse College and Troy University:


"Notice: Lifewave NC is not endorsed nor represented by any University at this time. University athletes and staff have in the past and are presently evaluating the effectiveness of Lifewave NCs products through both informal testing and double blind placebo controlled testing. The results of these assessments are for the internal use of the Universities and Lifewave NC. Any results or studies reported are from individuals acting in their own capacity as individuals, not as representatives of the Universities."

http://www.lifewavenc.com/research.html

Oh Schmidt you are a very clever individual. Talk about sharp!

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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 05:49 PM
Unless I'm incorrect, I believe we on this thread can take credit for Schmidt getting bitch slapped by Morehouse and Troy. After I-forget-who posted about him claiming to have endorsements from the two schools, I notified James Randi about it. He then wrote about it on his website and, I believe, that lead to the schools telling Schmidt to cut the crap.

Schmidt's being more cautious these days, although he's still trying to imply that LifeWave has some credibility due to university testing.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 06:38 PM
CMG

This thread has led to many a spoke in the wheel of the LifeWave bicycle, but it's still rolling along albeit at a slower pace.

Schmidt has no concerns over mere legalities like cease and desist orders. He's "invented" a patch system in his imagination and successfully put his thoughts into real form. He's also managed to make a great deal of money from his SCAM.

I suppose he figures that he's got away with it for so long now that nobody is going to stop him.

I guess we'll just have to see about that.

Cheers.

Dave
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 08:59 PM
SAY IT AIN'T SO!

http://www.energyrich.com/

LifeWave Position For Sale!!
March 6, 2007

Yep, he's bailing ship. Maybe the new push to sell to the military has finally been the limit.

"I have been with LifeWave since the beginning. Breakthrough Products!! But I now have other obligations that will keep me from working with these great products."

Other obligations like...not getting put in jail maybe?

Rich Lang's own testimonials are priceless:

"Thank you for making me laugh out loud!!! ...J.C."

Was that when you explained how the patches work?

"...Thanks a million, and thank you for the extras...I am so thankful that I joined under you, you know how to do business ... L.W."

Do we even want to know about the "extras"?

"...Thank God for your sponsorship. Rock 'n Roll! ... B.K."

Rich, that's a little unfair. You didn't mention your very high up contact.

"...Thanks Rich! Your the best!...D.S."

1: Not THE DS, surely?
2: There's that pesky YOUR instead of YOU'RE again. Funny how that's appeared in posts from some very wacky posters on this thread.

"...Rich has the vision of where LW can go and is passionate about "making it"... K.I."

Well, Rich certainly seems to be showing LifeWave where they can go now. Can anyone hear the sound of running?

"...Do you ever sleep? ...G.C."

Still not tried the sleep patches Rich?

Rich, as always, you have provided great quality entertainment.

I wish you well in your new venture, but don't be too quick to spend all that LifeWave money. You may have to give it back.

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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 | 09:11 PM
http://www.energyrich.com/html/National_Rich.wmv

Rich, back in the day you sounded full of hope and enthusiasm.

Wanting to help "the students" was a nice touch. 3,000 students means 6,000 parents. Ah, the cash register was ringing out loud.

I'm sure you'll have no trouble unloading, I mean passing on this incredible money making opportunity to some lucky individual.

Perhaps someone with the same high standards and work ethic and a desire to help the students.

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