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LifeWave Energy Patches
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Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
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Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm
We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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the watcher
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 01:59 PM
My dearest Joel.... i will refrain from any verbal retaliation on my part simply because you seem to be willing to try and prove this technology to yourself ,, which is demonstrating a much more open mind than several others here.....
good luck with your tests...... |
br d
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 02:31 PM
That's an impressive list of miracle cures. I'd guess that must cover about 50% of ailments that people go to there GP for. The NHS here in the UK could save billions by prescribing these patches.
Obviously, the reason they haven't started doing so yet must be because they are stockpiling them so there's enough to go around.
I'm certainly looking forward to the 2% that's going to come off my basic rate of tax when these things kick in.
Yeah yeah watcher, I know, I'm a butthead.
Can I cure that with a patch?
br d |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 02:41 PM
Moderators
I've been away for a couple of days and notice today that "the watcher" is still up to his/her belligerent old tricks.
It would appear that the watcher is only intent on insults and name calling. He/she appears to think "that this is very clever. It is not.
the watcher also continues to display delusions of grandeur, issuing instructions to be followed or else.
Is this a proper discussion on the topic of the LifeWave patches and their unproven efficacy?
'the watcher', please tone down the insults.
-Admin.
Hasn't had any effect at all.
"I say again... get lost butthead.... you are neither wanted or needed here by anyone of real consequence......"
"Like ive said before... im here to stay.... so deal with it ,,, get over it... or move on...."
"Oh.. and butthead... dident i tell you to take a hike ???..... "
"a ban wont work Mickey... there are countless ways to acsess this thread..... and i'll use them...."
Now please.. dident i asked you to run along and Google something??.... you have wasted enough time of this silly thread ..."
"ah the wisdom of beavis and butthead......
we are enlightened.... not......."
"so PLEASE do many of us a favor , and do run along now will you ?? there's a good lad..... you may come back if you can ever pull your head out your...... well.... i really don't need to say it now do i butthead ???"
"And as far as your little plea to the moderators.. " I wonder how the real moderators feel about that " ... (such a cute little cry for help there davey) ... I'm betting they have a little bit more of an open mind than the beavis and butthead clan.....
"names can be changed.. IPs changed.... but your nonsence is over... i will no longer sit on the sidelines... and im here to stay..."
"Your done here... ba bye now.........."
It would appear that words posted here on this thread have hit home in the LifeWave camp. I guess the monthly income figures are starting to dwindle.
The idea that watcher believes he/she can stop free speech is laughable.
the watcher is as entitled as anyone (me included) to post here, but the continued foul mouthed insults are not necessary.
As with other posters, I will no longer encourage watcher by the courtesy of replying to the filth. |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 03:25 PM
"As with other posters, I will no longer encourage watcher by the courtesy of replying to the filth."
Alright, I think Mickey was right in starting this. I too am done replying to watcher. His posts have no purpose other then to distract. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 05:41 PM
Mickey,
"I want to know, if it is ONLY a placebo why it works for me and not for others..."
The Doctor I was in touch with in Israel had the same question. Before he decided this was a scam, he had given out a number of patches for people to use and while a few people had some kind of effect, most did not.
He wanted concrete information about this problem, but didn't get anywhere with LifeWave other than the usual "You're not using the patches correctly" "You're not hydrated enough" etc.
By the way, on the question of hydration.
The common advice given about hydration levels and patch placement illustrates the point about confounding variables.
If you drink the water AND wear the patches, how do you know if it was the water OR the patches that gave a result?
Dehydration and REDUCED energy levels have been extensively documented in the scientific literature.
It doesn't take very much dehydration to bring about a quite dramatic reduction in energy levels.
How convenient it is to attribute INCREASING energy levels from the hydration effect to the application of patches done at the same time.
I can confidently predict that if you comb your hair at the same time as re hydrating yourself (from the de hydrated condition) you WILL experience MORE energy.
It's a clever trick that LifeWave has been using for a long time, but it is ONLY a trick.
The patches don't provide the energy.
This is one link of many that illustrates how small a % in hydration deficit causes big effects.
http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/drinks.htm
2% dehydration = impaired performance 4% = capacity for muscular work declines.
Drink water and voila, you feel better. WOW! If you happen to place patches on your body at the SAME time....WOW! The patches work great!!! I have more energy.
It's so easy to con people. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 06:13 PM
"I want to know, if it is ONLY a placebo why it works for me and not for others..."
Um, because that's the NATURE of a placebo.
Even properly tested, proven, pharmaceuticals don't work for 100% of the people who use them. Aspirin, probably the most widely-used medication in the world, doesn't cure every headache.
Man, it's really hard to discuss things with people who don't have even the most basic knowledge of the subject at hand. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 07:24 PM
Cranky,
Aspirin does not "cure" any headache EVER....it treats the symptom PAIN but inevitably the headache comes back.....this is not a "cure"
In fact NO pharmaceutical on the market today CURES any disease yet they are the only people allowed to publicaly flaunt the term....
Underneath all that PAIN RELIEF the problem still exists.
Our "perfect body" made by the creator (whoever she was) sends out a signal....hey somethings not right....have some pain until you fix the problem.....we say Ouch that hurts gimme some medication......ahhhhh pain is gone I must be cured. WRONG.
Problem still continues to exist and progressively gets worse over time....needing MORE medications.....
Is it good to be out of pain? YES
Is it good to rely on pain meds? NO
Should you seek ways to find and eliminate cause? YES
If LW or some other "scam" provides that relief should I not take it because it is only a placebo? Hmmmmmmmmmm
Would you STOP if it helped your pain??????
I ask about placebo because I want to know if you absolutely think something WON'T work and it does is that still a placebo?
If you absolutely think something WILL work and it doesn't is it a SCAM?
These matters are not as black and white as you perceive them to be.
Just like 100% of so called proven medicines don't work - I ask what is "proven"?.....can you purchase "proven"? - are you aware of any medications that are or have been DEADLY that were allowed to go on the market...WHY?
I am not totally against Allopathic medicine, indeed there are some pockets of it that are extremely beneficial and interesting, however to believe it is all good is as blindfolded as believing the patches are the newest panacea....
Stay open minded and look at everything from many angles...I believe in giving people ALL their options and let THEM decide their treatment protocol....that way they NEVER make a wrong decision.....EVER....
If people decide that it is too much work to research the modalities of alternative medicine and ask to be just TOLD what to take...I happily refer them to their primary care physician....
Take control of your own health or die trying.... |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 11:57 PM
Mickey, much of your information is completely wrong, especially in regards to pain killers. Let me explain the difference between Vicodin and Advil (ibuprofen).
Vicodin works the way you seem to perceive that all medications work. It basically tells your brain you don't feel pain and voila! your pain is gone, even if your ailment still exists.
Advil is also called a pain killer but works completely differently. Advil is actually an anti-inflammatory. Your injured body part, whatever it may be, swells up causing you pain. The Advil causes the swelling to go down allowing your body to heal quicker. Your pain goes away too, but as a side affect of the swelling being gone.
You seem to think all medication is like vicodin, but that's not the case. In many cases, like for the common cold, the only thing that can be cured are symptoms. In other cases though, like inflammation, the medication does cure the ailment.
So in conclusion, you're completely and utterly wrong when you say that "NO pharmaceutical on the market today CURES any disease."
Have you ever heard of antibiotics? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 12:27 AM
watcher said:
"captain al... do a little research before you make retarded posts...... will you ??
Are you suggesting I subscribe to the drivel being spewed out by looneys who believe in mythical human processes. Sorry, I'm not buying it. How did you convince yourself you know more than tens of thousands of scientists who dedicated their lives to unraveling the mysteries of nature? They don't agree with you so why should I?
You can easily disprove your own statement about the human magnetic field. Just pick up a compass. Does the needle move? No, because humans have no magnetic field. Compasses on ships are adjusted for magnetic deviation caused by metalic objects on board. When equipment is added or moved, the compass may have to be re-adjusted to compensate. But no matter how many people come on board, the compass is not affected. How can this be if every human body has a magnetic field?
Try learning some real science. Reality is amazing enough without embellishing it with pseudo-scientific dogma.
"How exactly did you get the notion that you stand so high in the cosmic scheme of things that you have the right to make real experts treat you as an equal without bothering to acquire any knowledge yourself?"
- Steve Dutch, Natural and Applied Sciences, University of Wisconsin - Green Bay
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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 12:36 AM
Razela is correct, of course, about medicine. If I remember, aspirin is also an anti-inflammatory. (I *should* remember this stuff since I was married to a hospital pharmacy director for 11 years.)
Aspirin is also prescribed for some patients to thin the blood. It is used by professional wrestlers when they are going to "blade" (cut their foreheads secretly after being hit) so that there will appear to be a lot of blood running down their faces.
It's a common belief among those who support "alternative" medicine that NO traditional medicines do anything other than alleviate symptoms, but that just is NOT accurate. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 01:27 AM
Razela,
Another misconception.....that swelling is "bad for you"....more blood means more oxygen means faster healing.....
OK I agree that yes it may be beneficial and even life saving in some cases if there is swelling after trauma.....brain injury for example.....to dish out an anti-inflammatory....
However, anti-inflammatories in general are useless.....they inhibit the production of nitric oxide in the body and prevent "blood" getting to the injured part to induce healing....
Look up NO it won Science magazines molecule of the year in 1992 and then a Nobel Prize in 1998....powerful vasoldilator and a potent preventitive against heart attack and stroke....with many other hugely beneficial aspects.....kills viruses etc....
Heck even Viagra made their millions after stumbling upon its effects....however Viagra is EXTREMELY dangerous as it drives blood to the extremeties but turns off the enzyme that produces cGMP - getting an erection is fine - not being able to get rid of your erection could be DEADLY - which has and continues to cause heart attacks and stroke in many users.....do we hear about that in their fluffy ads.....hundreds have died at Viagras expense.....where are the skeptics....too busy worrying about LW freakin patches and their "scam".....
How many have died using LW patches?
Also you mention "antibiotics" as a CURE are you serious....shit the big pharmas are not even making new strands of antibiotics because they are dangerous and useless.... http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-05/features/are-antibiotics-killing/
There are many more studies from reputable sources on the dangers of antibiotics, and they certainly are not in the "cure" category.....
So no I am not completely and utterly wrong about this....they all address SYMPTOMS....OK here is a little test for you....BILLIONS of dollars are spent each year on medical research...BILLIONS....name me Five drugs on the market today that actually CURE A SPECIFIC DISEASE.....name the drug and the disease it cures.....that should be really simple....
Tell you what, lets make it REALLY simple....give me THREE......
I'll be waiting.....
Tallyho..... |
the watcher
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 01:40 AM
The world is surrounded by magnetic fields: some generated by the earth's magnetism, others generated by solar storms and changes in weather. Magnetic fields are also created by electrical devices (e.g. motors, televisions, office equipment, computers, microwave ovens, electrical wiring in homes, power lines). Even the human body produces a subtle magnetic fields generated by chemical reactions within cells and ionic currents of the nervous system. An electromagnetic field (EMF) is composed of both an electric and a magnetic field. The electric field is due to the presence of charged particles (such as electrons) and the magnetic field is due to the movement of the charged particles (such as an electron current).
The subtle magnetic field that surrounds our bodies is just that.. very subtle . Compared to the fields that are generated by the PLANET , a compass would not be visually effected by our bodies , or even many bodies. If your idiot mind can manage it Al , think of a 30 lb child pulling on one end of a rope while a thousand 250 lb men pull on the other.... which direction is the rope going to move ?? would it seem that the childs efforts were having any visual effect at all ?? nope....... but does that mean that the child does not possess their own strength but in much smaller proportions ??? nope.......
Mickey... you , by far , have had the most logical and truthful things to say as of yet in this forum.... but you'll never convince the bone heads here.... but bless you for trying......
You carry with you much more grace than I.... |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 02:56 AM
I'm shocked! Watcher actually agrees with something discovered by real scientists. But this same scientific establishment cannot detect a magnetic field around the human body. How can this be? Even a simple compass should be able to do it. After all it doesn't take much to throw one off. Ask any navigator. Try it yourself by placing your digital watch near one and you will see.
"The subtle magnetic field that surrounds our bodies is just that.. very subtle . Compared to the fields that are generated by the PLANET , a compass would not be visually effected by our bodies , or even many bodies."
If this "human magnetic field" is so "subtle", why don't more powerful fields overide it? And why would it evolve in humans in the first place? What purpose does it serve? Did nature just put it there and wait 3,000,000 years for David Schmidt to develop a patch that tells it to burn more fat?
So what you are saying is, a human's magnetic field is too subtle to be detected by a compass because the earth's planet sized field is so much more powerful, but a Lifewave patch, which has no internal energy source can get a signal through to get cells to perform complex functions. Yeah, right. An anchor in the bow a boat can easily affect a compass so why not a human holding one? The reason is, of course, humans have no magnetic field.
Your entire argument depends on this elusive magnetic field that you want us to assume exists. But instead of providing evidence of this alleged phenomenon all you can do is resort to name calling. Could this be because you have no evidence to back it up? |
the watcher
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 01:26 PM
alleged phenomenon ????
my dear Lord.. you cant be that stupid al... do a bit more research if you please......
no internal energy source ??? everything in existence is in a constant state of movement and vibration.... EMITTING energy.... atoms , neurons , the two brain cells you have floating in your head....
come back when you have taken a basic coarse in science al........ |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 02:04 PM
Mickey Mouse said:
"How many have died using LW patches?"
How many have died using Band-Aids? |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 02:06 PM
Cute Cranky....
Speaks volumes.... |
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 | 04:35 PM
'the watcher', I have warned you once already. If you continue to spout insults, you will be banned. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 01:04 AM
Mickey Mouse said:
"Cute Cranky....
Speaks volumes...."
Well, yeah, it kinda does. No one's died from wearing LifeWave (that we know of) because they DON'T DO ANYTHING. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 09:47 AM
Cranky,
It is this kind of idiotic response that renders your logic useless. You are avoioding the issue with disinformation tactics.
I made many points in my posting and again you take one sentence out of context and answer it. How about answering the whole post.
Your last statement could easily have me asking - now you have made the accusation.."because they DON'T DO ANYTHING."
PROVET IT!!!! You made the claim the burden of proof is on you.
However, I want you to revert back to my posting which you and Razela so clearly disagreed with, and answer <b>ALL</b> of it. Don't just hen peck the pieces you feel like answering. Are you a politician? You certainly fit the bill.
Hopefully the 11 years with the pharmaceutical partner can help you answer easily.....
You also said "It's a common belief among those who support "alternative" medicine that NO traditional medicines do anything other than alleviate symptoms" well here is your big stage showdown to prove to me that large pharmaceutical companies actually produce drugs that "CURE" disease.
Should be pretty simple there are thousands of drugs prescribed for thousands of diseases.....
It goes something like this......
Name me 3 drugs and the diseases they cure.....
You and Razela can even confer on this one, it should make it very simple for you.....call up your ex-partner, he/she should know in an instant.....
Cranky, Razela we are waiting.......your credibility is on the line here.......
Ciao.... |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 10:41 AM
Mickey. Sorry, I'm a bit late responding, I've been a bit busy. Anyways, you really don't think antibiotics cure anything? What about ear infections and strep throat? And what about vaccines?
Sorry if my posts are far between and rather concise. I'm in the middle of getting ready to move to a new region of the country and start a new job and am hence incredibly busy. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 10:56 AM
Meanwhile back on earth, David Schmidt, a man with a two year business degree and NO verifiable scientific background, training, degrees etc. continues to make money through a MLM company.
The self titled "Dr." David Schmidt would like you to believe he has invented a patch technology that, in explanation #1, "talks to your body to tell it to make more energy" and in version #2 "alternatively heats and cools your body to induce fat burning".
This thread carries posts supporting the notion that David Schmidt truly has accidentally hit upon the invention of the century and posts questioning that basic assumption.
From time to time you will read pages of diversion neatly conjured up by people with agendas unknown.
Does this all sound plausible?
How many people do you know who have purchased the patches?
How many people do you know who have even heard of the patches? (In the time that I have been posting on this thread, apart from the person who used them and got me started here, I have yet to find one person who has even heard of this company and its products).
Do the posters who use foul insults against skeptics here have anything to lose when the company is closed?
Do you believe posters who state they are not distributors of the products?
Do you believe that the same "non-distributors" are posting here to protect your right to purchase the products, even if they are placebos?
If you reason that the skeptics here, me included, are part of a conspiracy to prevent the good "Dr" Schmidt from earning an honest living, then you will probably purchase.
We are constantly told that we cannot make a comment about the patches if we haven't tried them.
Does this statement sound logical to you?
There are a great many things I haven't tried, but does this mean I can't make a statement?
From the very beginning of this thread you will read many diversionary tactics aimed at turning the spotlight away from "Dr." Schmidt and his scam patches.
This thread is NOT about individuals other than the main character in question...Schmidt.
Would you bank everything on David Schmidt turning out to be the real deal? |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 11:49 AM
Meanwhile back on earth, David Schmidt, a man with a two year business degree and NO verifiable scientific background, training, degrees etc. continues to make money through a MLM company.
<b>As far as I am aware this is not a crime.</b>
The self titled "Dr." David Schmidt would like you to believe he has invented a patch technology that, in explanation #1, "talks to your body to tell it to make more energy" and in version
<b> This is something that for sure needs clarifying by DS. The faking Dr. part certainly not something to be proud of </b>
How many people do you know who have even heard of the patches? (In the time that I have been posting on this thread, I have yet to find one person who has even heard of this company and its products).
<b> Its a big world out there Dave....I am sure you are a popular guy and all, but even if you had 5,000 close friends...this statement still means nothing </b>
Do the posters who use foul insults against skeptics here have anything to lose when the company is closed?
<b> Poster who use foul insults or any insults (just like you like to do on occasion) should be banned from this thread</b>
Do you believe posters who state they are not distributors of the products?
<b> Who cares if they are distributors or not. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You rewriting the Laws? Thought this was a fact based discussion?</b>
Do you believe that the same "non-distributors" are posting here to protect your right to purchase the products, even if they are placebos?
<b> Do you believe the skeptics are here to protect the people from scam artists or just massaging their egos? You are getting scammed, we are smarter than you.</b>
If you reason that the skeptics here, me included, are part of a conspiracy to prevent the good "Dr" Schmidt from earning an honest living, then you will probably purchase.
We are constantly told that we cannot make a comment about the patches if we haven't tried them.
Does this statement sound logical to you?
There are a great many things I haven't tried, but does this mean I can't make a statement?
<b> You can make a statement about anything you want, as long as you don't portray it as FACT.
As you have stated many time the placebo exists, but not with every person, so even by trying the patches and they worked for you does not "prove" they work. In the same way not trying them and claiming they don't is not proof either.
Nothing apparently works 100% of the time. In medicine if something work 47% of the time it is HEADLINE news....a massive breakthrough.
Some people who use LWP seem to get results and in part placebo could play a role.
But what about the others? </b>
From the very beginning of this thread you will read many diversionary tactics aimed at turning the spotlight away from "Dr." Schmidt and his scam patches.
<b> Yes the skeptics are good at that also </b>
This thread is NOT about individuals other than the main character in question...Schmidt.
<b> Now the thread is about Schmidt? I thought it was about whether the LW patches worked or not?
Who cares if Schmidt is a crook, he probably learned that in this world you need to be crooked to be successful. Just look at our leadership.
Do the patches work is what this thread is about?
They are not harmful, like heroin or crack cocaine, so they can be tried without negative side effect. So yes, I believe that you can't really give an honest statement about LW patches unless you try them for yourself.
If they don't work. Don't buy them ever again and you won't be lining Schmidts pockets. But if they do work....I dare you to stop buying them because of your PRIDE and your EGO.....</b>
Would you bank everything on David Schmidt turning out to be the real deal?
<b> Would I bank on everything EDHUK claims to be fact? Same answer for both questions </b> |
the watcher
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 12:44 PM
I do believe you got put in your place there Butthead...lol... though I'm sure you see it differently.. as most ignorant ones would...
you fools aren't even in the same class as Mickey.......
I'm reminded of a scene from 2010 A Space Odyssey ... Mickey is the obelisk , and the butthead clan are the neanderthals , hopping around and throwing stones at what they don't understand.....
but now the question remains ,,, will they be enlightened by this powerful intelligent presence ??
confidence is low.. i repeat .. confidence IS low.... over............. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 07:13 PM
Mickey Mouse, if you wish to argue that every item in the Physician's Desk Reference is a fake, please start another thread. THIS thread is about LifeWave and whether or not IT is a fraud.
Everything about LifeWave, from the fact that the claims for it violate the known laws of physics, to the fact that the "inventor" of the patches has lied about having a doctorate-level degree to the company claiming endorsements from universities that never endorsed the product, SCREAMS "fraud."
If you wish to address those FACTS about LifeWave, please do so. I don't really care what you think about aspirin. |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 08:19 PM
"Then there's "junk science," which may also be supported by some scientists, but which constructs theories, often with a conspiratorial bent, from faulty or nonexistent evidence.
Its acceptance, as Park explains, depends on the lack of knowledge of lay people, from jurors to senators, and the willingness of some scientists to sell their expertise to the highest bidder.
Park cites the furor around claims that electromagnetic fields from power lines cause cancer, and that this truth has been covered up in major conspiracies. Although the notion was eventually laid to rest, Park estimates that it cost around $25 billion in expenses such as decreased property values, useless research, and relocation of suspect power lines."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_200208/ai_n9105951 |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 | 09:04 PM
Cranky,
I agree with you that the "theory" about how the LW patches work is a little suspect. I agree that if DS signed a document as Dr DS that this is highly unethical. I can also understand that to a logical thinking person which I know most of you are - that LW "SCREAMS" scam.....all of this I fully understand and totally agree with.
However, I have tried these patches and regardless of the logic and regardless of the bogus claims made by their inventor and regardless of the supposed science behind them -THEY WORKED - and they worked to a much superior level than you can expect from a placebo.
I just want to know WHY they work. HOW they work. And why they work more often than can be reasonally assumed by a placebo.
About aspirins, it was you my friend who piped up to tell me how wrong I was. When you do that in future, please at least allow me to defend myself.
One other thing ALL aspirins except Bayer aspirin inhibit the production of nitric oxide in the body. We have on numerous occasions asked Bayer to supply a reason why this is so.
They refuse to answer.
However, if you do feel the need to use aspirin, use Bayer, they are the safest option.
Now onto EDHUK's post....
Dave,
I really am unsure what your post means.
If you are trying to say that scientists are corrupt and will sell themselves out to make money, I couldn't agree more.
Big Pharma controls the money for studies and research in this country. If you don't bring back the "desired" results, you very quickly find yourself out in the cold when the grants are being handed out.
There are many ethical scientists and researchers out there doing excellent work, but taking even a supposed well put together study as factual evidence without extensive research behind the credibility of the scientists, the organisation and the funders of the study in todays climate can be misleading.
Because of the POWER & GREED it is very difficult to have faith in the established medical system.
But please don't get me wrong there is much good in allopathic medicine and medical breakthroughs, some is very exciting.
But alot of it is utter nonsense and corrupt.
Sometimes the wolf comes dressed in the sheeps clothing. Sometimes the sheep are wolves and don't even realise. And unfortuately sometimes the wolves just work right under our noses and act like wolves and the sheep let them.
Adious.... |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 12:27 AM
Sure, all atoms and molecules above -273 degrees C exhibit some incredibly minute electrical and magnetic properties. But what does that have to do with those stupid patches?
David Schmidt's wacky theories don't have anything to do with the minute inherent electrical and magnetic properties of all molecules above absolute zero. He took a wild ass guess that humans act like living thermocouples due to supposed different metals in the body and a difference between core temperature and extremities temperature. That's what his patent application says, with his signature on it (right over "Dr. David Schmidt"). There are just so many things about that wacky idea that make it laughable. And that's not even to mention how laughable DS's guess is that honey and molasses will make this postulated "thermomagnetic field" bend, causing a swirling energy vortex, which will then cause cells to burn more fat. DS has a number of different wacky steps in his wacky theories, all of which he simply made up. Whether "everything in existence is in a constant state of movement and vibration.... EMITTING energy" has nothing to do with those stupid patches. |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 12:44 AM
Mickey wrote, "However, I have tried these patches and . . . they worked to a much superior level than you can expect from a placebo."
Mickey, how do you know that they "worked" more than could be expected of a placebo? Have you tried giving out what you know are useless patches to a number of people, telling those people that the patches will give them more energy if they stay hydrated, or tell them that the patches will reduce pain, then monitored the "results" people experienced from the useless patches, and compared them to results from LW patches?
To borrow an argument we've heard a lot on this forum, "If you haven't tried placebos, then you can't talk about them."
Seriously, Mickey, and to all over LW supporters out there: What qualifies you to know what the maximum extent of the placebo effect is, and to state as if you know for a fact that LW patches exhibit effects that surpass the placebo effect? That's really the core issue here. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 12:59 AM
Joel wrote:
Mickey, how do you know that they "worked" more than could be expected of a placebo? Have you tried giving out what you know are useless patches to a number of people, telling those people that the patches will give them more energy if they stay hydrated, or tell them that the patches will reduce pain, then monitored the "results" people experienced from the useless patches, and compared them to results from LW patches?
<b> Yes Joel I have performed tests that satisfied my own curiosity. No more than that</b>
Seriously, Mickey, and to all over LW supporters out there: What qualifies you to know what the maximum extent of the placebo effect is, and to state as if you know for a fact that LW patches exhibit effects that surpass the placebo effect? That's really the core issue here.
<b> That is a very good point Joel and of course you are correct. There is no way for me to know the true extent of the placebo. However what I can state as fact is that I personally noticed quite a difference from when I wore the patches as opposed to not wearing them. </b> |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 01:12 AM
Mickey Mouse, I was going to ask you several questions about your personal "testing" of the LifeWave patches, however Joel beat me to it and did it in better fashion than I probably would have.
You don't appear to be unintelligent, so I'm assuming you understand why science uses large testing groups. Your testing simply doesn't use a large enough sample to produce significant results.
You are, I'm sure, familiar with the concept of the bell curve. On either end of the curve, there are results that fall outside of the median. When something is tested with too small a group, there is no reason that the results obtained cannot fall to either end of the bell curve, so to speak. When a large testing group is employed, those extremes are averaged out.
You may well have had better results after using the patches than before, but there's no way we can determine that the patches were the cause, even if only due to the placebo effect, or not. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 01:43 AM
CMG
"You may well have had better results after using the patches than before, but there's no way we can determine that the patches were the cause, even if only due to the placebo effect, or not."
Precisely. We have had many posts indicating NO results at all.
Perhaps, one day, we'll finally learn how DS came up with his plan to make a large amount of cash. He is obviously bright, but just not in the field he trained in according to the many posters who highlight that the business is not run efficiently.
One could argue, of course, that as long as DS is receiving the lion's share of the company income he is doing "business" rather well!
Meantime it's difficult to know if the pseudo scientific bent this thread has taken is actually helping DS by appearing to give his insane ideas an air of credibility.
My argument all along is that DS is NOT credible in any fashion. His background, education and wild claims are not credible. Furthermore, DS has done precisely NOTHING to remove doubts about his credibility.
I suggest the reason for this is that he CANNOT. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 08:45 AM
Dave,
Your concerns are valid.
And the longer Schmidt goes without addressing the issues presented to him logic "screams" that there is some kind of problem.
However, we, I believe at this point can agree that without a very large study which takes into consideration all shapes and sizes, and the bell curve concept, ALL our claims are just our opinions.
You guys logically think they cannot work because everything points (and I agree) to them being nothing more than a placebo.
Then you have the peolpe who try them who get results that seem to be in many cases impressive. But that is not proof they work either because of possible placebo effect.
Then you have people who get no results, which the skeptics love, because it backs up their case, but you still have to ask why no placebo?
I have even seen people who have used them and got no results (supposedly) only to stop using them and notice a difference. What is this delayed placebo??? 😊
There are lots of unanswered questions. And it doesn't help matters much when explanations of supposed phenomenon outweigh logic.
IMHO the results I got outweigh logic also, this is why I continue looking into this product and what its potentials are.
I let the money take care of itself. Scammers and people with ill intent usually get whats coming to them, I cannot and will not waste my time with these people, but I also have to respect people at the same time and give them the benefit of my doubt, until they are in my eyes proven to be unethical.
Call me old fashioned, but I still believe there is good in most people if you look hard enough and don't abuse their right to have an opinion.
We may not always be right. Who is. But we don't need to be so harsh if and when people are wrong. It usually causes a knee-jerk reaction defense mechanism to kick in and in alot of cases people will defend things vigorously, that they no longer believe in.
If some of the best scientists in the world over the past 500 years had not been so proud the advances in science today would be much more beneficial to man.
Stubborness is a great tool to possess if somewhere in your arsenal humility lingers.
Slan go foill moh chara |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 10:47 AM
Mickey, I just want to interrupt this forum to say that after 191 pages of arguing, you are by far the best random lifewave defender to come here, at least in my opinion. I know I can relate to the way you have weighed every aspect on both sides of the issue before forming your opinion. I have trouble agreeing with your conclusion but you got to it in a logical manner which I respect. You don't need to go back too many pages to see the number of completely irrational people we have had post on this forum. |
Joel
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 03:04 PM
Mickey, I'd generally agree with Razela. You have by far been the most intelligent LifeWave supporter here. (Although I still have to question your post on page 175 of this thread that you believe there is something real to LifeWave because of what happened when you used a BioPhoton Analyzer http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com on Band-Aids to create your own LifeWave patch clones. I still suspect you were yanking all of our chains with that post.)
Here |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 05:36 PM
Joel,
You might want to take another look at this stage.
"At this point your friend should be able to give you several foam envelopes containing drained patches, and several foam envelopes containing undrained patches, but merely by their look and feel you shouldn |
EDHUK
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 | 08:05 PM
So whatever happened to that bit about distributors loosing their distributor status if they tried to sell on Ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/lifewave-energy-enhancer-patch-1-month-supply_W0QQitemZ180077479973QQihZ008QQcategoryZ19261QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 01:17 AM
EDHUK said:
"So whatever happened to that bit about distributors loosing their distributor status if they tried to sell on Ebay?"
Silly EDHUK. That only applied when the patches worked by communicating with the cells of the human body like a cell phone. Now that they work via heat and cold, all bets are off. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 05:56 AM
CMG
Like the shifting sands...
D |
EDHUK
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 06:04 AM
"These are patches where 'nothing enters the body' (tested vigorously by USA FDA)"
WOW! All those FDA people working up a sweat to test the patches. Who knew.
http://cgi.ebay.com/INCREASED-ENERGY-SLEEP-PAIN-PATCHES_W0QQitemZ120077552006QQihZ002QQcategoryZ2913QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Seems like our friend in New Zealand is getting a little too excited.
Is he referring to the application to the FDA under the band aids section?
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Joel
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 10:58 AM
EDHUK wrote, "Don't you need to add the double blind element."
You are technically correct, Dave. In this case, however, the friend could hand over all the patch-containing-envelopes in a box and let Mickey pull them out one by one and try to figure out which is which based on the supposed effects that Mickey feels from them. That would be pretty close to double blind. If, however, Mickey wants to add a third person intermediary so that the test is truly double blind, that would be even better. |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 | 04:27 PM
Joel,
Good point.
Don't you find it interesting that after all this time and all the millions of dollars David Schmidt claims to have made from his wacky patches, you are the closest to what could be called a "study" of the patches!
Schmidt and Haltiwanger have always used the line that it costs too much money to test the patches. That's why they have been selling them so that one day maybe they can test them.
I suppose there's a certain insane logic to that with the emphasis firmly on INSANE.
Good luck anyway with your study. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 | 06:01 PM
Not that this is about LW patches.....
But something to share....
http://www.renegadelemming.com/secretvideo/
Enjoy 😊 |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 | 04:51 PM
Interesting Product
http://www.lab88.com/productpages/energypatch/energypatch.asp?affcode=google082006&s_kwcid=energy%20patches|566519793
Look at the ingredients list:
Water, Glycerin....
But, of course this is a TRANS DERMAL patch. The LifeWave patch uses non transdermal methods like "talking" to you cells.
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EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 | 05:01 PM
Let's not forget living forever:
http://www.geocities.com/pathways2eden/immortality-device.html
"...on his site he has tons of testimonials that seem quite genuine."
Sounds familiar.
"While you are sleeping, your brain, assisted by the earth's magnetic field, is re-energizing all the charged particles..."
Easy peasy. Where can I get one?
Go to the website:
"The most imporatnt invention in human history."
So important is doesn't even need to be spelled correctly!
LifeWave patches is different from these kind of claims though, isn't it?
Right!
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Yupiter from Jewpiter
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 01:59 AM
M'n'M :
" But something to share....
http://www.renegadelemming.com/secretvideo/ "
Thanks M, for an absolute utter psycho babble. |
Razela
in Chicago, IL
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 02:37 AM
I'm going to actually have to agree with Yupiter (I don't think this has ever happened before!). I gave up at about 7 min in. |
Yupiter from Jewpiter
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 05:49 AM
Razela :
" I'm going to actually have to agree with Yupiter (I don't think this has ever happened before!)."
Ouch, that hurts. I did agree on many issues with
you guys. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 10:15 AM
Yupe from Jewp,
Where did you surface from? Pleasure to make your aquaintance. I am sorry you are so stuck in this reality and obviously more higly decorated scientifically than the Dr's and physicists speaking in the movie to determine it "psycho babble"
Please elaborate a little here on your findings?
Because after watching the whole movie, and seeing all the claims scientifically quantified, I would love to know which part exactly was psycho babble?
You too Razela. I am a little shocked at your post. I had you marked a little higher on my scorecard. However you said - "I gave up after 7 minutes.....???"
How can you ever expect to try and understand ANYTHING if you give up after 7 minutes of a 90 minute show??
That is very pathetic.....and then to make judgement about something that you admittedly know nothing about really speaks volumes about your integrity.
On Pluto today....it is just a BEAUTIFUL morning...I hope you are all enjoying the same.
Happy Sunday..... |
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 02:06 PM
(Hey Peter, glad to see you're still around!)
I confess, I gave up after a mere 2 minutes and 6 seconds... very shortly after "The secret was suppressed".
I will admit, I don't watch movies of any sort, because my attention span for things that require me to listen is short, but anything that looks like sooper sekrit info that's been sought after and hidden for centuries... well, sorry but it doesn't take long to think that I'm not gonna buy into it.... |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 02:23 PM
hcmomof4 wrote in part:
I confess, I gave up after a mere 2 minutes and 6 seconds...
and
I will admit, I don't watch movies of any sort, because my attention span for things that require me to listen is short,
and
well, sorry but it doesn't take long to think that I'm not gonna buy into it....
Buy into WHAT exactly??
Way to teach you son how to analyze something before making assumptions mom....
Maybe he will have the young wisdom to at the very least know what he is supposed to not buy into.
Really, guys this is getting old.
I am a skeptic too, but you guys are extremists. How can you honestly, logically, truthfully and blatantly make statements about things you know NOTHING about.
Is anyone going to have the decency to actually watch the movie before printing a useless diatribe as to why they didn't watch it and what it was supposed to have been about.
And you wonder why science is stuck in first gear? You are living proof of it. |
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 02:48 PM
What I'm not buying into is that something that has been suppressed since apparently caveman times has now somehow miraculously been unsuppressed. And I did point out that a good part of the reason I didn't watch the movie was because I basically can't. I wouldn't be able to pay attention to 90 minutes of something I was interested in... |
Yupiter from Jewpiter
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 03:18 PM
Hey hcmomof4,
It's good to be seen by you, and to see you too. |
EDHUK
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 03:36 PM
Calling Earth, calling Earth. Can you hear me?
This is the LifeWave thread of the Hoax Forum.
We are not discussing the rights or wrongs of a movie, but the rights or wrongs of self proclaimed "Dr." David Schmidt and his company LifeWave LLC.
Schmidt would like us to believe he has stumbled across a new technology so immense in its implications that he would instantly become the celebrity of the moment.
Has David Schmidt, a man with NO scientific background/qualifications, invented a non trans dermal patch system that "talks to your body to tell it to make more energy" or "heats and cools the body to induce fat burning in cells"?
I respectfully suggest he has NOT. I further suggest he HAS conned many people into buying his scam products because they WANT to believe his "invention" is real.
The world turns every day, but that doesn't prove Schmidt's invention is real.
The content of a particular movie may or may not be valid, but that doesn't mean Schmidt's "invention" is real.
Schmidt, with very good reason, steadfastly refuses to put his "invention" to the most basic of tests. It would NOT be difficult, given the will to agree on a set plan of testing on both sides, to prove once and for all the claims made by Schmidt and his company.
That he refuses, after company name changes, website changes, basic mode of operation changes, top company staff changes, screams one conclusion.
David Schmidt is a cheap huckster who continues to sell his scam products because the official wheels of justice turn slower than the laying down of growth rings in an oak tree.
Anyone who continues to promote this company is implicated legally and CAN be prosecuted, under MLM legislation, when the company finally folds.
I suggest the facts of this scam may be boring compared to the prospect of "magic patches", but to continue to claim this scam is "real science" is the biggest scam of all.
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Yupiter from Jewpiter
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 04:06 PM
Hi Mickey,
I am LifeWave products fan from Serbia.
There is nothing in Life, that we're able to control. We are only able to love it, or not to.
And there is no other feeling, love or lack of love.
There is only one life, and that is all that matters. We do not control the beginning of it, or
the end. Even the Suicide, is a product of mental illnes, not a choice. Choice/free will is an utter Illusion, and I can't stop anyone indulging in it.
Laws of attraction, gratitude rocks, or whathaveyou
can't stop Death. People are born to Die, therefore all people are dying, not living.
Anything that involve atempt to impose some Belief
upon others is psycho babble in my book.
Same goes here, I see you got a huge ambition to accomplish something on this Forum, and all you've
done is, help in increasing number of pages.
And considering your passionate involvment, It's
plain to see you don't have control over that.
Good luck, and much more LifeWave days !
Jewpiter |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 05:37 PM
I am LifeWave products fan from Serbia.
<b>Good for you. I am assuming you have tried the patches would you like to share your experience?</b>
There is nothing in Life, that we're able to control. We are only able to love it, or not to.
<b>So love is something we are born with - an innate ability? </b>
And there is no other feeling, love or lack of love.
<b> Hmmmm kind of agree with this, but that is part of my illusion. Are we all sharing the same illusion? How or why do you affect my illusion? What about our uniqueness? Fingerprints, DNA etc....is that an illusion too?</b>
There is only one life, and that is all that matters. We do not control the beginning of it, or the end.
<b> Who or what controls it then? And surely you mean there is only one death?</b>
Even the Suicide, is a product of mental illness, not a choice. Choice/free will is an utter Illusion, and I can't stop anyone indulging in it.
<b> Is this not a contradiction? What about suicide bombers are they all INSANE for having a belief so strong they would lay down their lives for it? Thats like saying all soldiers who are willing to lay down their lives have a mental illness?
I guess my next question would be, What is mental illness?</b>
Laws of attraction, gratitude rocks, or what have you can't stop Death.
<b> No one claimed that they could.</b>
People are born to Die, therefore all people are dying, not living.
<b>What came first the chicken or the egg?</b>
Anything that involve attempt to impose some Belief upon others is psycho babble in my book.
<b>So you are a self confessed psycho babbler?</b>
Same goes here, I see you got a huge ambition to accomplish something on this Forum, and all you've done is, help in increasing number of pages.
<b>That is your perception, in your illusion. Mine is alot different.😊 </b>
And considering your passionate involvment, It's
plain to see you don't have control over that.
<b>Not sure what this means. But I'll for now assume it is a compliment of sorts 😊 </b>
Good luck, and much more LifeWave days !
<b>To you too</b> |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 06:06 PM
This is about the LifeWave patches scam in what way?
Perhaps you two would like to get a room.
Anyone can start a new thread on the Hoax Forum.
Top of this page where it says New Forum.
Enjoy. |
Mickey Mouse
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 06:45 PM
Dave,
I see you have been busy trying to instigate a response from the "Wavers" and no one took your bait. Get over it.
And just to be clear this is not about the <b>LifeWave Scam</b>, as that statement has not yet been proven through the legal system, is unfounded and most probably slanderous.
It is about why LW patches work or don't work for certain people and WHY?
And just in case you missed it in the last post:
I am LifeWave products fan from Serbia.
<b>Good for you. I am assuming you have tried the patches would you like to share your experience?</b>
That IMHO is about LW. The rest is just two people trying to get acquainted. If you have a problem with that, why don't you start a thread entitled <b>"Todays problem by EDHUK"</b>
Wes gesund my good man. |
EDHUK
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 07:44 PM
This thread is about the LifeWave scam.
That is why it is correctly placed on The Museum of Hoaxes website.
Since Feb 24th 2005 David Schmidt has NOT ONCE accused anyone of slander.
By definition, you cannot accuse a person of a slanderous statement when it is the truth.
Get over it. |
Joel
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 08:13 PM
In a libel action based on statements made here that Lifewave is a scam, the legal burden would be on David Schmidt to prove by a preponderance of evidence that statements made on this forum are false. That is, DS would bear the legal burden of proving that his silly patches actually work (beyond the placebo effect). If DS had such proof, he would have held it up to public scrutiny long ago.
In California and some other states, DS's libel lawsuit would also be subject to an anti-SLAPP motion from the defendant (per Cal. Code of Civil Procedure 425.16), meaning that he would have to either come out of the box from the beginning with credible evidence that his patches work, or his lawsuit would be dismissed immediately and he would have to pay all of the defendant's attorney fees.
It's no wonder that David Schmidt has never sued anyone for making statements here or anywhere else calling him a con man, and calling Lifewave a scam.
(BTW, for those interested in technicalities, slander is a false and damaging oral statement. Libel is a false and damaging written statement. So statements posted here could constitute libel but not slander.)
Disclaimer - the above post is general information only, and should not be relied upon as legal advice. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 | 09:42 PM
Mickey said:
" How can you honestly, logically, truthfully and blatantly make statements about things you know NOTHING about."
Excuse me? Everything must conform to the laws of physics, including Lifewave patches. Anyone who has even an elementry understanding of those laws will be able to see they can't work as claimed. Plus, I have worked in electronics engineering, specifically with radio, for many years so I know the molasses and glycerin in the patches cannot generate radio waves much less interact with the body from the outside. What qualifies you to say otherwise?
"And you wonder why science is stuck in first gear?"
Who said that? Humans have landed men on moon, made jet airliners that routinely fly hundreds of passengers around the world in luxurious comfort at close to the speed of sound, split the atom, remotely control vehicles on the surface of Mars, sent others out of the solar system so it's a strawman argument that we think science is stuck in first gear. Those who believe in voodoo products without demanding even the most basic proof of efficacy are stuck in neutral. Come on up to the 21st century Mickey. It's wonderful here. |
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