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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 | 06:45 PM
Various posters have highlighted that the LifeWave company is poorly run and could do a lot better in the right hands.

Ask yourself a very simple question.

When a company, ANY company, comes out with a great product it's not long before other entrepreneurs attempt to buy out that company.

If "Dr." David Schmidt has "invented" such an earth shattering product line, why hasn't he been bought out?

In February 2005 three people from PayPal decided to do a startup company using Adobe Flash technology and YouTube was born.

On November 13th 2006, Google signed a deal for YouTube at $1.65 Billion in Google stock. Not bad for less than two year's work.

Surely ANY rational person reading this thread can see that if David Schmidt's invention was REAL, he would have had offers that make Google's deal look like toy money.

Why has this not happened?

Because there is NOTHING to buy out!

Too simple?

Think about it, and that includes our voyeur with the half a brain.
Joel
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 | 09:25 PM
If David Schmidt's invention were real, wouldn't NASA or the big pharmaceutical companies have assassinated him by now in order to steal or at least suppress his invention?

And if the LifeWave supporters who appear on this forum really BELIEVED that David Schmidt's invention were real, wouldn't at least SOME of them be gearing up to enter into competition with LifeWave? LifeWave has no U.S. patent (at least not yet), and never applied for an international (PCT) patent, so the product is free for anyone to copy and sell anywhere in the world.

LifeWave seems to be constantly losing top managers and distributors - surely SOME believer out there would know how to run a company better than that, and could run circles around LifeWave in the marketplace for such a miraculous new product. A savvy person could even hire all of the former LifeWave managers, who already have experience with and know the true power of the product. What an incredible business opportunity that must represent. Forget the measly 5% commission or whatever it is that LifeWave distributors get - there must be billions to be made worldwide for any true believer/entrepreneur who has even minimal business competence.

Oh wait, let me guess - LifeWave believers want to "help" people rather than make anything more than their 5% commissions, right? Well, fine, LifeWave believers could help people all over the world by copying and more effectively marketing millions more patches at reduced prices, AND make tons of money too.

So why aren't any LifeWave believers starting down that path to both helping millions of people worldwide AND certain riches? Could it be that deep down they all know it is a scam that is going to collapse sooner rather than later? Or perhaps LifeWave only appeals to people who lack confidence in their own abilities as business people.

That's what makes me think more than anything that all of the distributors and supposed believers know in their hearts that LifeWave is nothing but a scam - that none of them seem to want to invest in this exciting new miracle technology on any level other than as distributors struggling to make a few measly dollars with relatively little risk and exposure.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 | 01:28 AM
Joel said:

"And if the LifeWave supporters who appear on this forum really BELIEVED that David Schmidt's invention were real, wouldn't at least SOME of them be gearing up to enter into competition with LifeWave? LifeWave has no U.S. patent (at least not yet), and never applied for an international (PCT) patent, so the product is free for anyone to copy and sell anywhere in the world."

Great point, Joel. With no patent, it would be completely legal to make similar patches and sell them. Also, since we know that "Dr." Schmidt makes the patches in his garage, they can't be THAT difficult to manufacture.

How hard can it possibly be to make patches with molasses and glycerine inside small domes on them? Logically, the Big Money is in being the manufacturer of the patches, as opposed to being a low-level distributor in an MLM scheme.

So where are the entrepreneurial people in LifeWave? Don't ANY of you want to make MUCH bigger money than you currently are? Remember, more money would give you even greater ability to spread the word about LifeWave (or whatever you would call your version of it) to the listless of the world. I mean, we ALL know how is "isn't about the money" to you guys and all.
the watcher
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 | 05:19 PM
ah the wisdom of beavis and butthead......

we are enlightened.... not.......
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 | 06:13 PM
"...it would be completely legal to make similar patches and sell them...they can't be THAT difficult to manufacture"

They probably haven't yet been able to crack the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 different herbs and spices.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 | 08:07 PM
Supporters of the LifeWave scam have come and gone on this thread.

Some of them have been memorable, others not. I still keep in touch with some of the believers with each of us agreeing to disagree but also treating each other with respect.

Then there are "people" like the watcher.

It is obvious that the watcher has nothing left to contribute other than weak insults of a childish nature.

I would expect this in someone who displays magical thinking.

"...magical thinking is "a fundamental dimension of a child's thinking." --Zusne and Jones

Just as previous temporary posters from the LifeWave camp, a short period of "education" about the patches lapses into frustration and childish name calling.

My questions about this scam harm nobody. LifeWavers unflinching support may result in more people being conned as they chase their dreams of wealth in this phony MLM.
the watcher
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 | 10:45 PM
you know dave.... with all your your attempts at well thought out and smooth words in a effort to make yourself sound like a man with wise and sound reasoning... you still don't understand that you,, and several others here,, truly don't have a clue... you posses no original thought , ideas or knowledge of your own ,, and must turn to others to whom you think are wiser in all your google searches ,, and come back here and flaunt all of your links and words that ,, in the realm of real truth and reality ,, have never led to anywhere substantial...

How arrogant ,, shortsighted , pompous , and utterly ridiculous is it that most of you and your " piers " on this site haven't even tried that which you so passionately denounce ??

throughout history.. there have been so very many FOOLS who have feared and loathed what they did not / can not understand.... and have spent SO much WASTED energy trying to disprove it..... their lives are so meaningless.. they have nothing better to do than try to prove their own mental superiority...... when in fact....... they are nothing but a beavis and butthead.......

Very soon... your going to be very surprised....

now..... get those zealous fingers flapping on your keyboard as usual ,, and give me one of your classic " trying to sound smart and sophisticated " comebacks.... i truly get such a laughable kick out of them.. i really do... 😊

as always.. take care........
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 12:33 AM
"Very soon... your going to be very surprised..."

Would this have anything to do with those studies Lifewave has been promising for so long? Or will Lifewave be front page news on every paper in the western world? Or is this just more hot air from a Lifewave woo-woo believer who has absolutely no evidence to back up his argument? We've heard all your ad hominem attacks. Now how about something that gives your side some credibility?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 12:52 AM
the watcher said:

"ah the wisdom of beavis and butthead......

we are enlightened.... not......."

Funny thing, watcher, when YOU make a point (even if it's one that has been made many times already), we skeptics respond with rational comments.

When WE make a point or ask you a question, however, YOU respond with ad hominem attacks.

If I was a person researching LifeWave, considering whether or not to put any time, money and effort into the business, your non-responses would push me away from getting involved.

And you call US Beavis and Butthead!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 12:54 AM
Captain Al said:

"They probably haven't yet been able to crack the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 different herbs and spices."

OK, that made me laugh out loud.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 12:56 AM
Captain Al, thanks for the link to http://www.masterstrack.com/train/patch.pdf.

It looks like a sincere, and reasonably thought out and analyzed, test of the patches vs. placebos by an individual. For those of you who haven't read it, the author had someone replace the goop in the patches with water and somehow reseal the patches to create placebo patches, somehow without the test subject (the author?) knowing which were original LW patches and which were placebos. He only did a total of 6 workouts (3 with LW patches, 3 with placebo patches), so his data sample is pretty small as the author readily admits.

He found an initial 0.4s reduction in his average 400m time (which is equal to about an 0.55% performance increase) attributable to the LW patches, with the performance increase decreasing over a 6-week training period to no benefit at the end of 6 weeks. We could quibble about how best to interpret his data, but need not do so. He concludes:

"It is reasonable to suppose that during the early-to-mid stages of a training cycle, the
use of patches may enhance or accelerate the athlete
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 12:59 AM
the watcher said:

"throughout history.. there have been so very many FOOLS who have feared and loathed what they did not / can not understand."

Well, we've ASKED you several times to explain the Magic That Is LifeWave to us, but you either can't or won't.

It isn't a question of not wanting to know, it's that we can't get a single LifeWaver to even tell us which of the two contradictory Official Explanations of how the patches work they believe.

If you can't even answer that simple question, how can we accept anything else you say about LifeWave?
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 02:31 AM
According to WWSN, Rob Styler is (or was?) one of the people involved heavily in LifeWave. I assume that is the same Rob Styler who wrote a book entitled "Spellbound: My Journey Through a Tangled Web of Success," which was about "Equinox International, the Multi-Level Marketing company that flared across America in the early 1990s and lured thousands of Americans into handing over their money, time, and, most often, their self-respect in pursuit of quick fortunes. Equinox, led by charismatic leader Bill Gouldd, used slick promotional materials and pop psychology-based training techniques to induce thousands of people to purchase environmentally friendly products(water filters, vitamins, hair and skin care products) to resell to friends and family for profit. Eventually the US Government shut down Equinox for legal and ethical improprieties and fined Gouldd millions, but not before many people who had bought into the Equinox dream were left with empty pocketbooks and caseloads of unsold Equinox products collecting dust in their garages." http://www.amazon.com/Spellbound-Journey-Through-Tangled-Success/dp/0966237307

According to one reviewer of the book, "I worked Equinox fulltime for a full year ... making little money and spending a whole lot more. It is amazing, what a good time you can have while going broke. I still think, network marketing is a great idea - the ultimate form of pure capitalism, but it is ultimately the integrity of the company and especially its leaders, which set the ethical standards. Whenever using half-truths and lies sneek into the culture of a company, it is doomed for failure - as Winston Churchill put it: 'The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But in the end, there it is.'

David Schmidt and every Waver out there who thinks that little lies aren't important, are you listening? "Whenever using half-truths and lies sneek into the culture of a company, it is doomed for failure"
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 07:39 AM
Oh gawd

the watcher

One LAST time

"Very soon... your going to be very surprised...."

YOUR = YOUR HOUSE, YOUR CAR,

YOU ARE = YOU'RE

YOU'RE going to be...

AS IN

YOU'RE STUPID,... YOU'RE AN IMBECILE,... YOU'RE ONE BRICK SHORT OF A LOAD,... YOU'RE A HALF WIT,... YOU'RE A PARASITE FOR SORE EYES,... YOU'RE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY SOME ANIMALS EAT THEIR YOUNG,... YOU'RE A MOUSE STUDYING TO BE A RAT,... YOU'RE THE STUPID PERSON'S IDEA OF A CLEVER PERSON,

Now do you get it?

No reply necessary or wanted.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 09:19 AM
"...flaunt all of your links and words that ,, in the realm of real truth and reality ,, have never led to anywhere substantial..."

Hmmmm

I guess this study is an example of a link that doesn't lead to anything substantial.

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/placebo.htm

What a pity nobody told Jon-Kar Zubieta, M.D., Ph.D. that he was working on a less than substantial study.

Perhaps next time Dr. Zubieta will check with the watcher before conducting research to find out if it passes the watcher's "substantial" criteria.
the watcher
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 12:16 PM
lol Davey... enhance thy calm there little fella... i didn't mean to get you so riled up there..... you may inadvertently pop a brain cell or two.. and we really cant afford that now can we ??? do you get blisters on your finger tips from all little emotional outburst ? ?

and by the way Dave... as i have said.. i have been following this thread for many many months.. and i do believe its YOUR replies that are no longer wanted....... your time here really does need to come to an end.. as always.. take beavis with you....

so PLEASE do many of us a favor , and do run along now will you ?? there's a good lad..... you may come back if you can ever pull your head out your...... well.... i really don't need to say it now do i butthead ???
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 03:02 PM
the watcher

So now you have become a MODERATOR in addition to providing a string of childish insults.

I wonder how the real moderators feel about that?

Also, as we have not met, how do you know I'm male?
the watcher
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 03:31 PM
poor butthead...

there have been so many people who have came here and tried to reason with you and your " anything i cant understand it false " pose ,, all with no effect.......

You have sat on your little thread thrown for far to long thinking yours in the voice of truth and reason..... you really dont know how left field you are do you.... so amuzing...

The time of closed mindedness is over.... take a hike beavis and butthead..... there are many many people watching this thread who would be tickled pink to see ya go...... we can only try and talk reason to someone for so long... it than becomes apparent that you need to kick them to the curb and wish them the best....

And as far as your little plea to the moderators.. " I wonder how the real moderators feel about that " ... (such a cute little cry for help there davey) ... I'm betting they have a little bit more of an open mind than the beavis and butthead clan.....

names can be changed.. IPs changed.... but your nonsence is over... i will no longer sit on the sidelines... and im here to stay...


Your done here... ba bye now..........
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 04:03 PM
Seriously Watcher. This is ridiculous. You bring nothing to this forum. You can look back at some lifewavers that have had constructive things to say. Just look at some of Mickey's posts from the last few pages. He brings up good arguments and asks questions and invites responses. Sure, sometimes people get upset or defensive, but at least it's mostly constructive. You bring nothing but distraction.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 04:21 PM
"...anything i cant understand it false..."

What does this mean?

Anybody
the watcher
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 05:00 PM
Its TIME for distraction rella.... this thread has gone NO WHERE because of the limited and idiotic thinking of a few who think they have something to bring to the table.. when in fact as i have said... they truly don't have a clue...

I have watched far far to many people post in this forum over the last year who were good and honest people with only good intentions for others and who wanted to share something special that they had found..... only to be ridiculed and shot down by the WISE and ALL KNOWING beavis and butthead and several others in this forum..... trying to be reasonable and talk things out in a civilized manner has gotten NO WHERE ...

perhaps my approach wont solve anything.... it certainly wonk penetrate the solid bone heads of the beavis and butthead clan... but it can stir things up to the point that maybe they will leave in time... because as i have said.. there time is over... I'm going to see to that.... I'm not going ANYWHERE...

All poor butthead can do is try and point out some grammar issues from my typing because he has no REAL foundation to stand on.... its the point I'm making that's the real issue , not my typing.....

I'm not so easily thwarted like some of the other gentle souls who have tried to make their voices heard in the past on this thread ,, but eventually threw in the towel because of the unrelenting shortsighted negativity of the buttead clan...

again... their time is over...

take care.........
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 05:25 PM
"Another common reason that the patches don
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 07:09 PM
the watcher said:

"there have been so many people who have came here and tried to reason with you and your " anything i cant understand it false " pose ,, all with no effect......."

We have asked you (and other 'Wavers) over and over again to explain how LifeWave allegedly works, but you have failed to do so. You can't even answer the simple question of which of the two contradictory Official Explanations of how LifeWave works you agree with. When you can't even tell us THAT, why should we take you seriously about ANYTHING to do with LifeWave?

No matter how many times it is pointed out to you that name calling does NOT prove the case for LifeWave, you persist in engaging in it. I guess that's all you have, but it won't change anything.

"there are many many people watching this thread who would be tickled pink to see ya go."

Another unsupported assertion. Name names, Dude, or shut up. Who besides you would be "tickled pink" to see us leave this thread?

I think I can speak for the skeptics on this thread when I say that we aren't going anywhere. Your attempts to "order" us to leave can only make you look foolish and powerless. Seriously, has that NOT occurred to you?

"perhaps my approach wont solve anything.... it certainly wonk penetrate the solid bone heads of the beavis and butthead clan... but it can stir things up to the point that maybe they will leave in time... because as i have said.. there time is over... I'm going to see to that."

Not gonna happen. I have to laugh when you try to make the case that you have brought FACTS about LifeWave to the table and we stubborn negative-minded skeptics simply haven't accepted them. Please name ONE fact that supports the notion that little plastic patches filled with inert materials can impart energy non-invasively to the human body that you have presented.

I'm not talking about unsupported assertions cut and pasted from LifeWave's website; I'm talking about actual FACTS, demonstrated by science. Got even ONE of those? If so, you've been very good about keeping it a secret from the rest of us.

I'll say it again: like far too many people, you live in a world in which anything you want to believe in, even if unsupported by EVIDENCE, is "true" simply because you believe in it. Life don't work that way, unfortunately for your delusional perception of life.

If LifeWave works--objectively--prove it and I will stop speaking against it. I'll go further than that. If LifeWave works, I'll invest every spare dollar I have in the company. I'd be a fool NOT to do so. All you have to do is PROVE IT!

Don't TELL us, SHOW us!
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 07:41 PM
'the watcher', please tone down the insults.

-Admin.
the watcher
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 07:56 PM
as always.. members of the butthead clan type a lot of words.. but have nothing real to say....

the insults will stop when this ridiculous thread comes to an end ..........
the watcher
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 08:23 PM
i want to ask you a question media guy... do you or anyone in your family suffer from headaches... back pain , leg pain,, or any type of pain what so ever ??

I know this has been offered in the past on this thread.. but i don't recall anyone actually taking up the offer... if your answer is yes to the above question.. i would like to send you the proof you so desperately seek.... let me send you a set of pain patches... not energy... but pain patches... you or any member of your family will have the proof you seek......

how could you.. who screams so loudly for proof... turn this offer down......
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 08:43 PM
His wife already tried them watcher. If you'd actually read the thread you would already know that. It's only a few pages back.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 | 10:43 PM
watcher said:
"how could you.. who screams so loudly for proof... turn this offer down......"

You just don't get it do you? Since you are making the claim it is up to you to provide the proof. We don't have to do anything. Even if we did take you up on your offer, our personal experience would prove nothing since there are too many factors that could account for any perceived results. The scientific method has been developed to rule out the unknown factors and personal bias.

Instead of offering those patches to one of us, why don't you give them to the physiology department of a major university. Let them perform some real tests that the rest of the scientific world will consider valid and others will of course be able to replicate. If this product is as real as you claim it would become the proof you so desparately require but have no idea how to obtain.

One more thing. Please video your visit to the university so we can see their reaction to your explanation of what those patches do and how they do it. That I really have to see!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 02:24 AM
the watcher said:

"as always.. members of the butthead clan type a lot of words.. but have nothing real to say...."

We've had quite a bit "real" so say. We keep shooting down the silly rationalizations made in LifeWave's defense, but since you live in the world where FACTS don't count, you overlook what we're actually doing.

In reality, it is LifeWave's defenders who "have nothing real to say." You people can't even answer the simple question I've now asked at least three times: which of the contradictory Official Explanations of how LifeWave supposedly works do YOU believe?

Get it? I'm asking a question about what YOU think about LifeWave. That really shouldn't be difficult for you to respond to, but it apparently is.

There are people here with nothing real to say, but it isn't the skeptics.

By the way, Razela is correct. As stated several times, my wife tried the original LifeWave patches to NO effect, positive or negative, whatsoever. You can now stop claiming that none of us has ever tried them.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 02:26 AM
the watcher said:

"let me send you a set of pain patches... not energy... but pain patches... you or any member of your family will have the proof you seek......"

Are you now saying that the "pain" patches don't work? Just asking.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 07:43 AM
"the insults will stop when this ridiculous thread comes to an end .........."

For newcomers to this thread the above statement, made by a LifeWave supporter, sums up the wealth of evidence put forward for your examination.

INSULTS = evidence that LifeWave patches perform as described in the LATEST version of the company website.

Why would a supporter want this thread to come to an end? I'll leave that to your good judgment.

In the meantime, you may want to dip into previous posts to get a flavor of the debate. Apart from the odd poster, there has actually been a debate.

Up for grabs is the notion that a man with a two year business degree, and NO verifiable scientific background, "invented" a patch system that "talks" to your body (old explanation) or heats and cools your body (new explanation) to induce fat burning for extra energy.

Early claims of up to a 40% increase in energy have changed over recent months.

As verified by the now ex-wife, David Schmidt mixed containers of the patch contents in his home in Georgia. This was prior to the official clean room being brought online.

The more questions that skeptics ask of LifeWavers, the angrier they get, as witnessed by the latest supporter.

The extent of the latest batch of evidence for claims made about the product line:

"the insults will stop when this ridiculous thread comes to an end .........."

Wise advice came a long time ago from a number of posters including WWSN, CMG and many others.

Do your due diligence.

Take a cold hard look at the claims of this "inventor" and his company.

Is it really believable? Logical? Something you are prepared to invest your time and money in?

Is it something you will stand by in a court of law?

Do you fully understand your legal obligations should you choose to distribute the products?

If you are fully comfortable with the "science" and the claims about DS's "invention" would you be confident enough to send your name and contact details to your local Attorney's General Office?

If NOT, ask yourself WHY NOT?

If the science is real; if the products are real; if David Schmidt (self titled "Dr." is genuine) why would it matter if your details were on file with your AG's office?

Just a thought.

?
br d
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 09:15 AM
Watcher, you are a troll beyond belief!
You continue to make lofty statements about everbody here being ignorant and negative. Well, I for one am ready to believe you, I'll fall at Livewaves feet and give up my work in order to spread the good word if you will will only say show one single scrap of evidence!!!
For petes sake man SAY SOMETHING! ANYTHING AT ALL OF SUBSTANCE INSTEAD OF JUST NODDING SAGELY FROM YOUR IVORY TOWER!
You haven't made one single quantifiable utterance. If you are so sure the skeptics speak from ignorance the just educate them, how difficult can it be if this product is so convincing??

I love this place.

br d
the watcher
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 12:40 PM
lol.. its truly amazing how idiot minds think alike... truly amazing... ah well.. birds of a feather as they say......

br b ..... official member of the butthead clan...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 02:13 PM
I said:

"Are you now saying that the "pain" patches don't work? Just asking."

My bad. I should have said, "Are you now saying that the "energy" patches don't work?"

Sorry for the mistake.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 02:54 PM
I can almost believe that watcher is not a LW distributor. LW
the watcher
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 04:00 PM
im NOT a distributor...MLM is somethng i never cared to get into.... you get two people under you.. than they get two people.. thay those two people get two more people.... ect ect ect....

I think it was a mistake for Lifewave to go the MLM route.... but be that as it may.. its still an incredible breakthrough product...

Joel.... i see your also a member of the clan... wonderful.... 😊
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 05:31 PM
the watcher said:

"I think it was a mistake for Lifewave to go the MLM route."

It wouldn't be fair, I don't think, to say that EVERY MLM is a scam, but it is certainly the preferred business model for scam operators.

If LifeWave does what "Dr." Schmidt claims for it, why doesn't he cut a deal with one of the large pharmaceutical companies, which could FAR more effectively distribute the patches?

He's make a TON of money without having to do any "heavy lifting" AND he would be benefiting mankind by making the patches more readily available to more people. In short, there's EVERY reason to make a deal like that and virtually NO reason to continue along the MLM lines. Of course, that assumes that the product is REAL. If it ISN'T, then we immediately see why he wouldn't want to approach a reputable company with a deal.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 05:44 PM
Watcher wrote, "I think it was a mistake for Lifewave to go the MLM route..."

I'm going to guess that the reason that LifeWave went the MLM route, as so many companies selling scam products do, is that in order to get product placed on the shelves of brick-and-mortar or Internet retail stores, you're going to need to convince a corporate buyer that (1) the product has some value or at least that it will sell because the basic product already has some level of acceptance in the relevant market, and (2) the retail store is not exposing itself to a significant threat of liability for selling a scam product. My guess is that DS figured that he wouldn't be able to jump either of those hurdles.

Imagine what that conversation with a corporate buyer would sound like:

DS: Hi, I'm Dr. David Schmidt. Let me tell you about these great new band-aid like patches I invented that immediately give you 15-20% more strength and stamina, as long as your body has the correct polarity and as long as it's not too toxic.

Buyer: Yeah? What's in them?

DS: Sugar in one patch and glycerin in the other. But nothing enters the body.

Buyer: Then how does it work?

DS: The patches act like tiny cell phones to tell your body to burn more fat. They heat your body and cool it at the same time, thereby making the cells burn more fat.

Buyer: Well, which is it? Tiny cell phones, or heating and cooling?

DS: Neither. Actually, the left- and right-handed molecules in the patches create clockwise and counterclockwise swirling energy vortices in the human thermomagnetic energy field.

Buyer: In the . . . what?

DS: That's not important. I just made that all up anyway. It's a completely new science that I made up myself. I even said so in my patent application number 60413617. Here, here's a copy for you.

Buyer: Uh, no thanks. Do you have any test results?

DS: I have a friend who is a football coach at a small college and who sells my patches on the side. He says that he tested the patches on his players one afternoon and that they produced incredible results. But my friend doesn't have his players use the patches in games anymore for some reason.

Buyer. Uh huh. Do you have any REAL test results, such as published peer reviewed studies?

DS: We started over clinical 40 studies a long time ago. But none of those studies ever made it through the peer review process. One study on horses did get published in the journal of the American Holistic Veterinarian Association (AHVA), and the fallout convinced the AHVA that it would be a good idea to start peer reviewing articles from now on. Does that count?

Buyer: Not really. Do you have any other products?

DS: I used to sell LifeWave medallions and pendants which gave the wearer increased strength and energy every time they were worn. You can read the testimonials in my patent application. The problem with the medallions and pendants was that you can't make much money selling only one medallion or one pendant per customer, so I switched to disposable stick patches. That way people have to keep buying new patches.

Buyer. OK. Thanks for coming by, Dr. Schmidt.

So I guess DS decided it was either MLM for selling his patches, or maybe infomercials.
Joel
Member
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 06:18 PM
Watcher wrote on page 188 of this forum that he "would like to send [CMG] the proof you so desperately seek.... let me send you a set of pain patches... not energy... but pain patches..."

Watcher, why not send energy patches to ease pain? It was, after all "LifeWave Energy Patches" that holistic vet Dr. Lauren DeRock used to reduce pain in her horses, wasn't it? To confirm the efficacy of the "LifeWave Energy Patches" to reduce pain, she rejected all of "the more conventional techniques" to test equine pain, preferring instead a method that she invented herself. As she explained, that method made more sense because:
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 06:27 PM
Joel said:

"Oh, OK, because CMG isn't a horse. I get it now."

Well, I've certainly been accused of being PART of a horse on a few occasions.
the watcher
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 | 08:11 PM
well now joel me boy.. are you trying to take over managment of the butthead clan ??? you little common sense challanged rascal you..... with posts like that ,, your well on your way..... 😊
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 12:49 AM
I think Joel and I just made the same point about why LifeWave wouldn't want to NOT use the MLM business model. Joel just said it in a more entertaining way, is all.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 12:52 AM
Hey, watcher, still haven't mastered the your/you're thing, huh?

You use "your" when referring to something which is possessed. Your Dog. Your house. That kind of thing.

"You're" is a contraction for "you are." "You're a troll" would be a good example.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 06:43 AM
Factual informative details about the LifeWave patches brought to this thread by "the watcher"............................................
...............................

Still waiting..................

What a complete waste of space!

No childish comeback necessary watcher. Your previous moronic attacks have illustrated for our serious readers that you have NOTHING of consequence to add to this discussion.

No doubt you'll (as in YOU WILL) find nothing to say and take up a whole post to say it.

Is there nobody out there in the LifeWave world who can bring intelligent discourse to this thread? (Although, let's be honest, it is extremely difficult to put forward rational supportive evidence on behalf of a SCAM).

Anybody?
the watcher
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 12:17 PM
Butthead.. you wouldn't recognize intelligent discourse if it came up and knocked you in your solid bone head..... tis sad but true....

Beavis.... still knit picking on my typing skills ( or lack there of ) are we ??... lol..... how quaint...
the watcher
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 01:00 PM
Oh.. and butthead... dident i tell you to take a hike ???.....


Since my decision to step up and call a fool a fool..... I can count your supporters on one hand ,, and they happen to be members of the butthead clan....hmmmm... where are all of your " serious " readers ??? why aren't they jumping up in defense of your all knowing wisdom ??? lol....

Anyone with common sense and a open mind have long since departed after reading post after post of your closed minded nonsense...


I say again... get lost butthead.... you are neither wanted or needed here by anyone of real consequence......
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 02:50 PM
the watcher said:

"Butthead.. you wouldn't recognize intelligent discourse if it came up and knocked you in your solid bone head..... tis sad but true...."

Why don't you try SUPPLYING some to test that theory?

We keep saying that you bring NO facts to the table, only ad hominem attacks, and you keep proving us right, time after time.

Name calling does NOT prove your case re LifeWave, no matter HOW many times you engage in it.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 03:07 PM
the watcher.....

If you check back on all my postings you will find that indeed I am a supporter of the potential uses of the LW patches.

I have used them and gotten results. Those results "could" be just a placebo, however I beg to differ.

If you shine most people up to the light you will find "black spots" of which we are not proud.

However, that is not the point.

The point is do the patches work and if so how and why. Science does not know everything it is constantly changing.....for me personally I want to know, if it <b>is</b> ONLY a placebo why it works for me and not for others....this would then go deeper into neuro issues or thought patterns etc....

So, I do consider myself to be a "serious reader" of this thread and let me tell you my honest opinion about you....

"I am in ABSOLUTE FAVOR of petitioning the moderators and asking them to ban you from this thread. You have nothing of any value to add, you are obviously very bitter that not everyone agrees with you and quite frankly, I am shocked that people on this thread actually answer your nonsensical postings"

Your so called "butthead" crew have a logical point, of that there is no doubt. However, it does not mean that they are right and the patches don't work.

Your contribution thus far has been at best pitiful and I can only hope that if you do indeed intend to hang around "watching" could you please do it in a manner that is befitting at the very least a buffoon.

Ciao....

PLEASE NOTE: I OFFICIALLY REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY POSTS BELONGING TO the watcher FROM THIS POINT ON "UNLESS" THEY ARE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A NORMAL POSTING.

I ENCOURAGE OTHERS UNLESS THIS REALLY IS YOUR HOBBY TO DO THE SAME. IT MAY HAVE BEEN FUNNY IN THE BEGINNING FOR YOU TO TAUNT THIS POOR SOUL BUT FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH - ENOUGH......
the watcher
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 04:26 PM
I OFFICIALLY REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY POSTS BELONGING TO the watcher FROM THIS POINT ON "UNLESS" THEY ARE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A NORMAL POSTING.

lol... thats quite a threat there Mickey... that gave me goose bumps... 😊 ya know..i really dont mean to be so insulting.. but darnit ,, where the butthead clan is concerned.. i just cant help myself...there's just something about pompous and arrogant people .... people who are so sure of there opinions when in fact they are just plain wrong.... of coarse the butthead clan could use those very words againts me... but we both know whos right 😊......

a ban wont work Mickey... there are countless ways to acsess this thread..... and i'll use them....

take care.....
the watcher
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 04:28 PM
Like ive said before... im here to stay.... so deal with it ,,, get over it... or move on....
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 05:06 PM
the watcher said:

"Like ive said before... im here to stay.... so deal with it ,,, get over it... or move on...."

In other words, you will continue to refuse to bring any FACTS that would support LifeWave's claims to the table or do anything other than engage in ad hominem attack.

In that case, I think I will be ignoring your postings from now on. I reserve the right to change that policy if, and only if, you start engaging in legitimate debate about LifeWave and stop with the ad hominem attacks.

It's been nice knowing you, watcher.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 05:46 PM
Mickey: What is the status on our test setup?

If you're waiting for someone from Lifewave to look over my proposal and provide suggestions, that's fine with me, but I'd appreciate your letting everybody here know that that's what's going on.

I would welcome LifeWave's input, so that they can't come back and say that the test protocol was fatally flawed for some reason.

I would especially welcome LifeWave's input regarding what activity I should do that will demonstrate most effectively the supposed power of the patches. For example, if they say that wearing the patches on the chest points with 3 reps of as many pushups as I can do with 5 minute recovery periods between sets are what most consistently show the alleged 40% improvement in strength vs. placebos, that would be great.

What, in your experience, demonstrates the alleged power of the patches the best?
the watcher
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 06:41 PM
Joel ,,, one of my first experiences with proving lifewave to myself was the bench press..... after a slight warm up ,, i was just barley able to bench 270 lb one time without the patches..... i than applied the patches in the shoulder positions and waited 10 min , and was than able to press 300lb three times.... bench presses may be a good place to start. Its very important to remember that proper hydration is essential to get the best results from the patches.
the watcher
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 06:54 PM
Joel,, here are a few other things you can try to validate the patches...





First, drink at least 8 ounces of water even if you have already drank 2 glasses of water that morning. People view tea or coffie as water but caffeine dehydrates the body.



2- Headaches - hold a white patch on the right temple and tan on the left temple for a few minutes and the headache should go away within two minutes. You can use the Energy Patches or IceWave for this.



3 - Upset Stomach - Using IceWave, place the tan patch 2-3 inches below the belly button and the white patch one on top of the right sock, in the middle of the foot. (You do not have to put the patch on the skin.)



4 - Menstrual Cycle Pain - Using IceWave, place the tan patch on the pain and the white patch on the top of the right sock, in the middle of the foot.



5 - Corporal Tunnel Syndrome
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 11:24 PM
What's with the patches on your sock thing? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I can understand how people may believe that the patches increase energy or whatever, but I have trouble believing that anyone could believe that putting a patch on your sock will solve all your bodily problems.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 | 11:28 PM
Joel,

If you would like to contact LW for an exact protocol to use in a blind test, go right ahead. Ask them for "placebo patches" too.

If and when you get them, I will send you this pack and you can have them numbered by a TP and follow the blind protocol.

As far as the best results. I would suggest both cardiovascular and strength tests. Maybe on different days.

Run day
Push up day
Run day
Push up day
etc...

Maybe if you start keeping a log now of your runs charting times and each non-run day do 3 sets of push ups to failure and chart those also. You can add other choice strength modality if you wish.

Same time of day.....
Same diet.....
Same water intake...in fact it is best to keep well hydrated. You probably do anyway but add a couple bottles of water daily, just to be sure.

These will fluctuate a little I am sure, but keep as close together as possible.

If we don't get a response from LW with the placebo's I will send these patches to you anyways and you can just match times against each other.

At best this is only a very rudimentary test procedure. But just like every other result to date it is your testimony. It can't "prove" anything, however it will be interesting to see your findings.

Also keep note of your recovery time...muscle tightness, lactic acid build up etc.....

Does the power of placebo still work if you ABSOLUTELY don't believe it will?

I guess we will find out.

See ya.....
the watcher
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 01:14 AM
Razela.... it sounds stupid to you because you don't understand how the patches work... they do not need to be in direct contact with the skin..... the human magnetic field extends outward of the body several inches.. and many runners found that taping the patches to their socks was more comfortable while they ran......

I wasn't even insulting on that one... hmmm , whats going on around here.... ???
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 04:58 AM
watcher,

Even after your explanation, it still sounds stupid. There is no human magnetic field. If there was, and it could be manipulated by a patch that contained nothing but passive ingredients, it would also be affected by all the other sources of magnetic energy that exist in the environment. Wouldn't a magnet be a deadly weapon? Humans have been handling magnets for centuries and suffered no ill effects. An MRI machine generates an extremely powerful magnetic field but no one has had their "human magnetic field" disrupted by one and died.

Medical researchers have been studying the body for centuries but this seemingly important phenomena is not recorded by modern science. How do you account for this? After all, if it did exist, it would be extremely easy to detect. How could thousands of researchers have missed it for so long? I'll tell you how. It doesn't exist. It's pure fantasy.

I find it interesting that you seem to know many applications for the patches that even Lifewave doesn't know. I guess the genius of Dr. Schmidt extends even further than he himself realizes.
the watcher
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 12:38 PM
captain al... do a little research before you make retarded posts...... will you ??

you may well be the biggest idiot of them all.... well have to wait and see........
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 | 12:57 PM
Watcher wrote on p. 189: "Corporal Tunnel Syndrome."

Now THAT's funny. Somebody here doesn't know his corporal (bodily) tunnel from a hole in the ground.
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