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LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Mickey Mouse
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:16 AM
PROOF RANDI IS A SELF CONFESSED LIAR!!!!

From Rupert Sheldrake:
http://www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, <b>"We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail."</b> No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: <b>"I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so." </b>

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: <b>"Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by."</b>

This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that <b>he has never seen the tape.</b>

RANDI DEBUNKING REAL SCIENTISTS AND HE DIDN"T EVEN BOTHER REVIEWING THEIR EXPERIMENTS.

This means HIS truth is engrained in his mind and regardless of "proof" it MUST be wrong.

Why would any true scientist speak with such a fool??
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:27 AM
Please forgive me Razela, let me answer you more directly. You asked:

(1) What does James Randi's character have to do with the JREF? <b>Probably about the same as David Schmidt's character has to do with Lifewave </b>Even if he isn't a nice guy, or says mean things or whatever, what does it have to do with the foundation as a whole and more specifically, the challenge? <b>He is a LIAR so I don't TRUST him to PAY the money.</b> Mr. Randi may head up the foundation, but they are still two separate entities. <b>They need a new front man then who is honest and credible</b>

(2) If you are going to call the JREF a fraud organization, at least show one shred of evidence first. What makes them fraudulent? Does the money they receive in donations go to Mr. Randi rather than the organization's cause? Maybe you should call the IRS if you think there is embezzlement going on. <b> Yes Good idea lets call another FRAUDULENT organisation that is RAPING people of their hard earned money when there is NO LAW which states US citizens have to pay an aportioned tax on their INCOME. The IRS is and ILLEGAL PRIVATE ORGANISATION please watch this movie Freedom To Fascism and WAKE THE F$#@ UP!!</b>

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:29 AM
"I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Good of Mr. Randi to admit and apologize for his mistake. I wonder if David Schmidt will ever apologize for creating a whole company based on a fraud and swindling millions of dollars out of innocent consumers.

"This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape."

I'll state again, Randi is not the JREF. Just because he didn't see the tape doesn't mean it wasn't analyzed by a team at the JREF. Can you truly expect a person who runs a non-profit organization to take personal part in every aspect of the organization.

And again, I ask you, what does James Randi's character have to do with the JREF challenge as a whole? He could be the biggest lying scumbag in the world, but it doesn't have anything to do with the foundation's legitimacy. If you are arguing that the foundation itself is not legitimate, then Mr. Randi's character could be used to back it up, but you haven't given any evidence to that fact.

If you wish to argue to Mr. Randi's character, please start a new thread as it doesn't belong here unless you can relate it to lifewave.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:30 AM
Ooops, sorry I wrote the above while you submitted your specific response to me. Give me another minute or so to formulate a response.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:32 AM
Mickey, and what a shame that Stanley Meyers didn't follow the law by disclosing in his patent application what he knew about how to make water powered cars, because if he had followed the law, we'd all be driving around in water powered cars today, now wouldn't we?

If an inventor of new technology wants to keep a secret sauce as a trade secret and NOT file a patent application, that's always his right. DS always had that option available to him.

But the patent system represents a bargain between the inventor and the public. IF an inventor wants a patent, then inventor must disclose how the invention works and the best way he knows how to make it work, and in exchange he gets a government granted monopoly for 20 years. If DS failed to disclose a "secret sauce" in his patches, then he is asking the government for all the benefits of a government-granted monopoly without giving the public anything in return. That's why they call it "fraud on the Patent Office." And as you know, LifeWave prominently promotes its patches as "patent pending" as part of its representations to induce people to part with their money.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:39 AM
Mickey wrote, "there is NO LAW which states US citizens have to pay an aportioned tax on their INCOME."

That's odd. The United States Constitution states, "Amendment XVI. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:45 AM
"What does James Randi's character have to do with the JREF?"
Probably about the same as David Schmidt's character has to do with Lifewave.

The two are quite different. The JREF is a non-profit organization so the money they receive in donations is put back into the organization, other then the bit they take out for general salaries. When someone donates to the JREF, the money goes towards their cause of educating the public against the paranormal, etc. In Lifewave's case, they are a private, for-profit organization whose money goes directly into the pockets of those running it. In addition, their product is (we believe) fraudulent and illegal, as is therefore the money that those at the top, like David Schmidt, receive. In cases where we attack DS's character, he is lying about things that directly affect his company and product and is illegal (i.e. making up credentials). Unless you have reason to believe the JREF is doing something illegal, it really has nothing to do with Mr. Randi's personal issues.

"Even if he isn't a nice guy, or says mean things or whatever, what does it have to do with the foundation as a whole and more specifically, the challenge?
He is a LIAR so I don't TRUST him to PAY the money."

Again, the JREF pays out the challenge, not James Randi. If they didn't pay, they could be directly challenged in court and most likely lose. Either way, the winner of the challenge would win the money. Perhaps someone else could help me on this, but I believe there was a case in the past where a holocaust denial organization had a sum of money they would give to anyone who could prove the holocaust happened. When someone did, they refused to pay and ended up losing a court case and having to not only pay the amount promised, but also all the legal bills on both sides. Does anyone have more information on this?

"Mr. Randi may head up the foundation, but they are still two separate entities."
They need a new front man then who is honest and credible

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to. What does this have to do with lifewave? Just don't donate money if you don't like the way they run things.

" Yes Good idea lets call another FRAUDULENT organisation that is RAPING people of their hard earned money when there is NO LAW which...."

Ok, that is a topic for a whole nother forum. Even assuming that the IRS is a fraudulent organization, it hardly proves anything about the JREF. Besides, that's an American issue. Are you even American? Sorry, just curious because you spell "organisation" the English way. You must have spent some time there. Just curious, you don't need to answer if you don't want to, it's not really relevant.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:50 AM
Joel,

Please watch the movie when you have time.

Also go to http://www.givemeliberty.org and send them your legal proof. Guess What....they too have an untapped bounty much like the JREF's for ANYONE who can show them the law.

Looks like this is easy money for you.
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 11:56 AM
Putting psychic dogs, breatharians, water powered cars, the constitutionality of the 16th Amendment, what a mean nasty liar James Randi might be, and everything else aside, David Schmidt's honesty and credibility are central to the discussion about LifeWave.

DS's claims are fantastical. We've seen numerous lies, distortions, and halftruths come out of DS and LifeWave in support of the patches, many of which required a bit of investigation and explaining by skeptics on this forum to expose.

But DS's claim to be "Dr. David Schmidt" when he apparently has no degree other than a business degree from Pace University, is so such a bold and brazen lie that it helps to clearly put in perspective whether anything that comes out of LifeWave carries an ounce of credibility, including any statement repeated by any LifeWave distributor who has fallen under the spell of this character who has the ability to make people feel like they are in the presence of Einstein.
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 12:23 PM
<i>If you wish to argue to Mr. Randi's character, please start a new thread as it doesn't belong here unless you can relate it to lifewave.</i> - Razela

Exactly. This thread is about Lifewave Patches - everything else, even Randi, is peripheral to the main discussion. If you feel the need to argue Randi's trustworthiness, the legality of a federal income tax, or anything else not directly relating to Lifewave please feel free to start a new topic in the forum section of this site.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums

Thank you,

Charybdis - <b>Moderator</b>
mickey mouse
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 12:26 PM
Point taken.....

Lets never hear the name Randi or JREF mentioned on this thread again.

This about Lifewave patches ONLY.

Over and out.....
mickey mouse
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 12:41 PM
Razela asked: Are you even American? Sorry, just curious because you spell "organisation" the English way.

Nyce obsirvayshon butt maybee eye mistspelt it on purpiss....

Anyways a little gift from Pluto....if you have any friends outside the country of the US and want to call them for the price of a long distance call to Idaho (I believe) please go to http://www.futurephone.com you can call from you cell phone if you have unlinited long distance minutes but you cannot call a cellphone.

Happy belated Christmas present....(if it is still Kosher to say that) 😊
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 01:59 PM
Regarding Dina's post on page 178 that "No one gets paid to wear the patches," and my repeatedly asking her whether Ronnie Coleman and Sagi Kalev were paid to endorse the patches.

Oh dear. It looks like Sagi Kalev signed a 3-year contract with LifeWave. http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/archive/index7-detailarch.php?pid=1453&page_count=5 Another statement by a LifeWave distributor demonstrated to be false.

Mr. Kalev says, "If you want to learn more about it, go to my Web site and follow the Lifewave link." I couldn't find any Lifewave link on his website today (http://www.sagikalev.com) Dina, do you know why Sagi is no longer endorsing the patches? Oh, heck, why am I asking you . . . you didn't even know that Sagi was being paid. Does any LifeWave distributor out there want to make up an answer to that question?
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 02:24 PM
Joel,

It is a known fact that Coleman and Kalev are paid endorsers. I honestly don't know what Dina is talking about.

What is "news" to me is that Sagi no longer endorses the patches. Has anyone contacted or has Sagi made a statement as to why?

MM
Dina
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 06:32 PM
Joel,
Both Coleman and Sagi had I believe, 3 year contracts. Both now aren't under contracts and both are still users. Ronnie never endorses much of anything and tried the patches and said he uses them because they work. He tried them first, knew they worked then was offered a contract for endoresment. Same with Sagi. So, I suppose something is wrong with that too......
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 06:55 PM
UGB said:

"Thought I would check in and see what your up to. I can see you and the protectors of mankind have been very busy. Sorry but I haven't went threw all the pages."

You apparently didn't go through very many of the pages at all. If you had, you would have seen that EVERY point you raise has been addressed. Do we REALLY need to go over that ground again to save you the drudgery of simply READING the existing material?

Oh, by the way, is it REALLY an insult to call people "protectors of mankind?" As opposed to who? Those who would sell placebos to people at highly inflated prices?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 07:04 PM
Razela said:

"Dina, I think you'll find that EDHUK is just a random person who was looking up information on Lifewave, found this forum, and took up the cause. In fact, I believe you'll find the same about all us skeptics that post here."

That's more or less the case with me. I was a frequent visitor to the Museum website when I stumbled across the LifeWave thread. As I've always been interested in quack medicine in the larger context of the human tendency to bullshit ourselves, I got involved with the thread.

I've never met or even spoken to any of the other posters here, with the exception of James Randi who I've spoken to on the phone once and have communicated with via email several times.

Dina, there's no "conspiracy" against LifeWave here, just a bunch of intelligent, like-minded people who see through the nonsense.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 07:08 PM
Dina said:

"Both Coleman and Sagi had I believe, 3 year contracts. Both now aren't under contracts and both are still users. Ronnie never endorses much of anything and tried the patches and said he uses them because they work. He tried them first, knew they worked then was offered a contract for endoresment. Same with Sagi. So, I suppose something is wrong with that too......"

Uh, what happened to "no one is paid to use the patches" or however you phrased it? Are you now going to try to weasel out by saying that they weren't paid to WEAR the patches, they were paid to ENDORSE the patches?

If these two former endorsers grew disenchanted with the company and/or the patches, I wouldn't hold my breath looking for an official explanation of that from the company.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 07:11 PM
Oh, a thought occurs to me. LifeWave hasn't existed as a company for three years yet, has it? If these two guys had three-year contracts and they're now out, that would suggest that they bailed OR the company told them it doesn't have the money to pay them anymore. Neither would bode well for LifeWave.

Am I right about LifeWave being less than three years old as a company?
Dina
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 10:23 PM
However the contract long,if you had a chance to get paid big bucks to endorse Gatorade, why would someone endorse Lifewave? Lifewave doesn't have the money Gatorade does. None of this matters when the patches do AMAZING THINGS!!! But you all will never know what that is all about. And I will keep your forum for the future to check up on you when you are all still in the same miserable time in your lives as you are now.
Dina
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 10:28 PM
Apparently Sagi is doing just fine with Lifewave.


His last bodybuilding competitions were local shows in 1998 and 1999 in Texas, where he won several first-place trophies. Sagi decided to get back into physique modeling in the spring of 2003. Since that time, modeling offers have come in quickly, including a contract with Impact Nutrition and Lifewave as a representative and spokesperson for the companies. Sagi is now prominently featured in Impact and Lifewave advertisements. In addition he has appeared on four Muscle & Fitness covers in 2003-2004 as well as covers of Hardcore Muscle, Ironman and Men's Workout.
Dina
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 10:42 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to share another person who doesn't know what they are talking about either......


31 year-old Phil Pfister, Wins the
World's Strongest Man competition,
wearing LifeWave Energy patches!



On 9/23/06 in Sanya, China Phil Pfister defeated Mariusz Pudzianowski, to be crowned the 2006 MET-RX World's Strongest Man.

Phil's Victory ended a 24 year old drought for American Strongman. The last American to win was Bill Kazmaier in 1982.

To read more about Phil Click Here or on his photo above. Thanks to Randall Strossen from Ironmind for the Photos. Phil joins a large number of elite athletes who have found great success using LifeWave patches.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 12:10 AM
Dina said:

"However the contract long,if you had a chance to get paid big bucks to endorse Gatorade, why would someone endorse Lifewave? Lifewave doesn't have the money Gatorade does. None of this matters when the patches do AMAZING THINGS!!!"

You do a very good job of avoiding explaining why you previous said no one was paid to wear LifeWave. I can well understand that that would be uncomfortable for you to deal with.

"Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to share another person who doesn't know what they are talking about either......

31 year-old Phil Pfister, Wins the
World's Strongest Man competition,
wearing LifeWave Energy patches!"

Dina, from 1971 to 1979, I worked as a security guard for the New York Yankees, New York Mets and Madison Square Garden. For the baseball teams, I worked next to the home team dugouts. I spent a LOT of time around world-class athletes during those years. It was not unusual for a ballplayer who was on a hitting streak to not change his socks, say, for weeks at a time. Using your logic, wearing the same socks day in and day out MUST have been the reason a guy had a "hot streak." After all, they're the best at their sport and they MUST know what they're doing, right?

Perhaps we've stumbled on the next gimmick here: Sports Performance Enhancing Socks. I'm sure we can cobble up some mumbo-jumbo about the socks interacting with the human energy field or something. How much do you think we could sell them for?
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 12:14 AM
UGB
in Nor Cal

There are so many posts currently it's hard to keep up, but I'll try.

"I was wondering if you or any of the other protectors of mankind have taken up Lifewave on the free patch offer..."

Please see my previous posts.

"Just for your info I have never seen anything or heard D.S. say he was a Doctor..."

Please see previous posts giving link to "Dr" Schmidts application.

"Have you read the studies on the site are they just all hoaxes or what."

Please see previous posts concerning "studies".

Thank you.
Dave
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 12:26 AM
Mickey Mouse said:

"Lets never hear the name Randi or JREF mentioned on this thread again."

I'm sure you'd LOVE it if Randi's Challenge was never mentioned here again, as for some strange reason, you just can't seem to find time in your hectic schedule to take a few hours to win a MILLION DOLLARS for simply proving the claims you have made repeated on behalf of LifeWave.

You would LOVE to live in a world where things are whatever you claim them to be, despite the absence of ANY evidence to back up what you say. This is because you make money by selling worthless patches at a HUGE mark-up, pure and simple. Let's stop pretending that this is about "helping mankind," OK? If it was, you would take Randi's Challenge, win the money and give it to the poor (or buy tons of LifeWave patches and distribute them to the sick and listless).

You don't because, on some level, you know full well that LifeWave is a Band-Aid with some goop in it, nothing more and nothing less.

Stop with the Albert Schweitzer act, will you? Put Randi's money where your mouth is. I've shown you that the money exists. Now go take it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 12:31 AM
Dina,

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 07:57 AM

"I too thought I was doing good by giving this forum something great but they think it's all a scam and David's a scam along with all of us."

Correct. What's your point?

"I suggest you let this go as I am and move on to helping people that truly want help with what Lifewave can do."

Oh, if only you could...

A few hours later...

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 05:32 PM

And again...

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 09:23 PM

And again...

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 09:28 PM

And again...

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 | 09:42 PM


Round and round she goes, when she'll stop no one knows.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 12:42 AM
UGB said:

"I was wondering if you or any of the other protectors of mankind have taken up Lifewave on the free patch offer or are you guys still worried D.S. is still waiting to just collect those Credit card #s to fund his extravogant life style."

I realize that, with your busy lifestyle healing the listless via "tapping into the human energy field"--oh wait, it's "heat and cold" now, isn't it?--that you simply don't have time to actually READ this thread, but I've said several times now that I was sent some patches months ago by a distributor. My wife tried them and felt NO effect, good or bad, at all. I'll repeat that. She felt NO effect, good or bad.

Yes, it would be great if other people here were to try the patches (although I completely understand their reluctance to provide credit card numbers to a scam operation) but they HAVE been tried by at least one of us.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 12:52 AM
http://hairextensionsbydina.com/

"Tired of being envyous of someone elses's hair?"

Dina,

It's customary when doing a professional website to spell words correctly. ENVIOUS...ELSE'S

Typos tend to make a site look sloppy. The general reader might think you don't pay attention to detail.

Why would they place their trust in this person to work on their hair?

You're welcome
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 01:01 AM
Dave, you're doing my job! How else will I find fulfillment if I can't correct spelling and grammar? (Yeah, I know I haven't been, but believe me, it hasn't been easy!)
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 01:13 AM
Joel said:

"Joe, I don't know what your point is. Anna Nichole Smith has a lot of experience gaining and losing weight, and she wouldn't take or endorse Trim Spa unless it WORKED! I suppose you think she's an idiot."

Not to go off-topic here, but it was just announced that Trim Spa and a few other companies have been fined $25 million each by the government for lying about what their products can do.

See, the wheels of justice move slowly, but they DO move (at least sometimes)! Take note, LifeWave distributors.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 01:18 AM
Correction: the four companies were not fined $25 million each. I think the TOTAL of the fines may have added up to $25 million, but the companies were given fines of 6 or 7 figures each.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 01:59 AM
CMG

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/04/health/main2330148.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_2330148

I especially liked the wording at the top.

"Testimonials from individuals are not a substitute for science. And that's what Americans need to understand."

You don't say!

And...

"In addition to paying $1.5 million, TrimSpa
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:22 AM
"Testimonials are not a substitute for science."

LifeWavers, of course, would disagree with this statement. After all, the entire business is based SOLELY on testimonials.

Well, here's a testimonial. Is this as valid as a testimonial saying they work?

"This is a very interesting one. I personally tried the LifeWave patches for a few months to see whether this nanotech stuff worked or not, particularly for exercise endurance and energy which was one of their biggest claims. I like to experiment with many things, that's just my nature.

However in my case instead of increasing my energy and endurance, it had the opposite effect- I grew tired very easily while exercising, almost feeling exhausted and sleepy. As for the endurance claims, my results were pathetic there too. My number of reps decreased instead of increasing. And I couldn't lift the same amount of weight. It was a complete fiasco."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:34 AM
UGB
Just this once.

Here's the link to Bob's WWSN site with the application and "Dr" for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.worldwidescam.info/drschmidt.htm
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 03:33 AM
From the cbsnews.com story:

"[S]everal studies showed that Xenadrine EFX failed to produce substantial weight loss. In some cases, subjects taking placebos over a 10-week study lost more weight."

But this stuff was advertised on TELEVISION and endorsed by FAMOUS PEOPLE! Plus, it had some scientific-sounding stuff in its ads. How could it possibly be quackery? Oh, the humanity!
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 09:27 AM
CMG

A moment of light relief:

"As if we needed verification of the scientific illiteracy of this generation, I direct you to http://www.tinyurl.com/yhjyew , where you
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 09:58 AM
Cranky Media Guy posted:

Mickey Mouse said:

"Lets never hear the name Randi or JREF mentioned on this thread again."

I'm sure you'd LOVE it if Randi's Challenge was never mentioned here again, <b>YES I WOULD AS IT HAS BEEN STATED VERY CLEARLY BY THE MODERATOR THIS IS A LIFEWAVE THREAD - NOT XENADRINE OR JREF - JUST LIFEWAVE AND DOES IT OR DOES IT NOT WORK!!!)</b> as for some strange reason, you just can't seem to find time in your hectic schedule to take a few hours to win a MILLION DOLLARS for simply proving the claims you have made repeated on behalf of LifeWave.<b>CORRECT - I AM NOT MOTIVATED LIKE YOU BY THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR - AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE I THINK RANDI IS A FRAUD AND A SCUM BAG - NEED WE GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. ALSO MY CLAIM IS MADE ON BEHALF OF ME, NOT LIFEWAVE.</b>

You would LOVE to live in a world where things are whatever you claim them to be, <b>WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING DUDE? DON'T YOU THINK YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT?</b> despite the absence of ANY evidence to back up what you say. This is because you make money by selling worthless patches at a HUGE mark-up, pure and simple. <b>YOUR HONOR I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A SLANDEROUS LIE - AND IN HIS OWN SHALLOW WORDS "A CLAIM DESPITE THE ABSENCE OF ANY EVIDENCE TO BACK UP WHAT HE SAID" </b>Let's stop pretending that this is about "helping mankind," OK? <b>DID I EVER CLAIM TO BE "HELPING MANKIND" - ANOTHER DELUSION PERHAPS!!! </b>If it was, you would take Randi's Challenge, win the money and give it to the poor (or buy tons of LifeWave patches and distribute them to the sick and listless). <b>IF I WERE A WHORE AND DID WIN RANDI'S (FICTICIOUS) MONEY AND WERE I LOOKING FOR SICK AND LISTLESS PERSONS TO OFFLOAD PATCHES - CRANKY YOU WOULD GET A PALLET LOAD.</b>

You don't because, on some level, <b>GETTING VERY PHILISOPHICAL NOW CRANKY AND THERE'S ME THINKING YOU WERE ONE DIMENSIONAL - HOPE YOUR NOT TALKING ABOUT A LEVEL THAT WE CAN'T PROVE </b> LifeWave is a Band-Aid with some goop in it, nothing more and nothing less.

Stop with the Albert Schweitzer act, will you? Put Randi's money where your mouth is. I've shown you that the money exists. Now go take it. <b>I AM HONORED AND IT WAS VERY NICE OF YOU TO PUT ME IN THE SAME POSTING AS ALBERT SCHWEITZER - BUT YOU HAD TO PULL THE RUG AND MENTION RANDI TOO. SO WHY DON'T YOU PUT RANDI'S MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS - I CAN ONLY ASSUME YOUR MOUTH IS ATTACHED TO YOUR HEAD WHICH IS FIRMLY IN YOUR ASS. OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AROUND IN THERE YOU MIGHT JUST SEE RANDI AND HIS MILLION. </b>

<b>NOW AS THE MODERATOR SAID CAN WE STICK TO LIFEWAVE OR START YOUR OWN RANT ON ANOTHER THREAD.
YOU COULD CALL IT "TODAY I AM CRANKY BECAUSE......." </b>
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 10:34 AM
I think Mickey's got a case of truthiness.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 10:34 AM
EDHUK, that link honestly made my brain hurt.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 11:25 AM
Razela

It was so cool wasn't it. We need a bit of light relief once in a while as an antidote to the rantings and ravings of certain individuals.

Try playing the video with the sound off and giving a blow by blow commentary while someone else watches it with you. Priceless!

I continue to be amazed at how many LifeWavers leave clear links to their identities. We have explained, more than once, that all of those involved with this MLM will bear equal responsibility in law when the **** hits the fan.

For those who still don't (won't) get it, this means having to dole out real money as compensation for the scam.

I presume they just think we're making this stuff up, much like the patches themselves. At least we tried to warn them.

Cheers
Joel
Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 01:29 PM
Re: Sagi Kalev and Ronnie Coleman's 3-year contract with LifeWave:

David Schmidt's provisional patent application was filed in September 2002 using "LIFEWAVE" stationery, so unless the endorsements for LifeWave's medallions and pendants contained in that application were simply made up by DS (always a possibility), the company has been around in one form or another for at least 4+ years now. It's possible that the 3-year contracts with Coleman and Kalev expired, but I get the impression that the contracts were far from over, so I suspect that Coleman and Kalev had some sort of falling out with LifeWave. Dina's post doesn't specify whether the 3 years were up, or whether the contracts were canceled by mutual agreement, or what.

There was an interesting case a couple of years ago in which former baseball star Steve Garvey had acted as the celebrity pitchman for what turned out to be another worthless and now disappeared weight loss product, Enforma Weight Loss System. The FTC tried to hold Garvey liable for the false statements that he had made in the company's infomercials. Garvey defended by saying in effect, "Hey, I'm just the celebrity pitchman reading a script. Just because I've said the product works doesn't mean that I should be held liable if what I said on national television turns out to be a fat lie. I never said that in my PERSONAL opinion this Enforma crap does anything." Unfortunately (in my view) Garvey prevailed at both the district court level and at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

The court drew a distinction between an "endorser" and a mere script reader (pitchman). A mere pitchman cannot be held liable absent actual knowledge of the falsity of the claims and reckless disregard for the truth. Endorsers are held to stricter standards. According to FTC rules, "an 'endorsement' is any advertising message which consumers are likely to believe reflects the opinions, beliefs, findings or experience of the party giving the endorsement." The FTC Guides require that endorsements must reflect the honest opinions, finding, beliefs and experiences of the endorser. The Ninth Circuit agreed with the district court that Garvey did not provide an endorsement. http://www.responsemagazine.com/responsemag/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=133863

Perhaps Ronnie Coleman and Sagi Kalev concluded that LifeWave doesn't work as advertised after all, and, fearing legal liability (or loss of credibility and earning power) because they are clearly endorsers of LifeWave, asked to be let out of their contracts.

Dina, were the 3-year contracts with Coleman and Kalev expired, or were the contracts canceled early for some reason?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:15 PM
Joel said:

"David Schmidt's provisional patent application was filed in September 2002 using "LIFEWAVE" stationery, so unless the endorsements for LifeWave's medallions and pendants contained in that application were simply made up by DS (always a possibility), the company has been around in one form or another for at least 4+ years now."

Thanks for clearing that up, Joel. Yes, that means that it's *possible* that the three-year contracts simply expired, but it seems that there was some sort of falling-out. I'm sure it will all become clear in time.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:17 PM
EDHUK wrote "We need a bit of light relief once in a while...."

Why don't you try masturbating...😉
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:25 PM
Mickey Mouse said:

"CORRECT - I AM NOT MOTIVATED LIKE YOU BY THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR - AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE I THINK RANDI IS A FRAUD AND A SCUM BAG - NEED WE GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. ALSO MY CLAIM IS MADE ON BEHALF OF ME, NOT LIFEWAVE."

OK, this has been explained to you before, but you don't WANT to understand it, as it knocks your excuse for not applying for the million dollars out: Randi will give the million dollars to ANYONE for demonstrating under controlled conditions that the patches are discernable from placebos. ANYONE. That would include YOU. You DO NOT have to be acting on behalf of LifeWave.

It really has become laughable watching as all these people who sell these worthless patches claim that they just CANNOT find time in their busy schedules to take a MILLION DOLLARS for simply backing up their own words. Not a single one of you can think of any legitimate use for a million dollars, preferring instead to continue to work for far less money, flogging your over-hyped Band-Aids.

Your tired nonsense about Randi's alleged low character is just another way to avoid backing up your own claims for LifeWave. You trotted out the old canard about Randi "not having the money" until I pointed out where it is.

Keep making excuses for a worthless product. The government just fined One-A-Day millions for peddling something similarly useless. Do you honestly think they won't eventually get around to LifeWave?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:31 PM
Y'know, I barely (and rarely) complained when Yewpiter from Jewpiter pulled crap, but that's because for some strange reason, I liked him.

Even with a cute little winking smiley, you should make sure you're among friends before you make inappropriate comments...
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 02:35 PM
hcmomof4 I am assuming we are all adults here. "light relief" as in doesn't weigh much....sense of humor...joke...ha ha ha....am I getting warmer??

Can we still say Merry Christmas around here......

Take the poker out dude.....Jeezzz
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 03:05 PM
Why would you assume, even with the word "mom" right in the middle of my user name, that I'm a dude?

I'd prefer not to think about Christmas until late November if you don't mind...

And no, you aren't getting warmer. I let my not-quite-13-year-old read this thread. I'm not a prude, he'll probably find your comment mildly amusing. I don't even care that he reads it. (Comparatively speaking, it was mild, yes...) It just wasn't appropriate for you to make without making sure none of the adults here would think you were a jerk for making it.

(Notice I managed to avoid any reference to worrying about anyone being "offended"? That's because being offended is pretty offensive... Just stop being a non-stop [expletive] and I won't care what you say.)
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 04:12 PM
Hey I know we're all skeptics an all but surely everyones a "dude", remember you were made from one of my ribs. LOL.... Don't tell me the bible is a scam also...I won't be able to sleep tonight.

Sincerely though, I am glad you are letting your children get an education early it will be good for them.

And as far as a Mom of 4 in Southern Cal goes....shoot that could literally mean anything.....😉 (and no that cute little wink wasn't for your son)
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 04:17 PM
"Don't tell me the bible is a scam also"

I don't know if "scam" is the right word, but "fiction" probably works a little better. Sorry to disappoint you.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 | 05:25 PM
"Hey I know we're all skeptics an all but surely everyones a "dude",..."

I'm a "skepchick". You'd know that if you weren't so dead set against the JREF...

"Sincerely though, I am glad you are letting your children get an education early it will be good for them."

Sincerely, since I was foolish enough to teach my kids to read at a very young age, I've been unable to prevent them from educating themselves. (And, btw, most of my kids are adults.)

"And as far as a Mom of 4 in Southern Cal goes....shoot that could literally mean anything....."

On second thought, it's a good thing you aren't over in the JREF forums, where they know what the "hc" stands for!

All in all 'tho, I like you better today than I did yesterday...
Dina
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 12:06 AM
EDIK, maybe you need to look at your own things you send out. David never signed DR. on anything. His signature says David Schmidt. Thanks for filling me in on my misprint by the way, I had a typo and took care of it. I don't care what you 5 people on this forum say anymore because again, you are all miserable beings that strive on negativity. It's a shame that there are people out there who don't get a lot of things and yes, I'll bring up 9/11. Any idiot that thinks the 3 WTC buildings were taken down by aircraft and a few fires need to wake the hell up! I'm sure all of you believe this and as for that, I rest my case. Good luck in your ridiculous forum and your petty lives.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 12:47 AM
Dina, I'm a person who is at least willing to consider the possibility of some conspiracy theories. I fail, however, to see the relevance of your 9/11 ideas to LifeWave. One has NOTHING to do with the other, except in the context of irrational reasoning, I'm afraid.

Dina, you've been directed to a document in which Schmidt refers to his company as having one employee, a "Dr. David Schmidt." Since he says there is only ONE employee, there can't be both a David Schmidt and a DOCTOR David Schmidt. I know you don't WANT to see that, but it IS there.

In the past, I would have thought that you were simply someone who was taken in by a scam and who hadn't encountered enough evidence to conclude that the thing is bogus. Now, however, when you are denying the existance of PROOF of fraudulence on Schmidt's part, you have crossed the border into The Land of Denial.

You have been shown that Schmidt does NOT possess a degree that would entitle him to call himself a "doctor."

You have been shown that he has admitted in writing that he does not know how his patches supposedly work.

You have been shown that although in the past, he has claimed (in contradiction to his admission of "not knowing how they work") that the patches work by somehow interacting with the "human bio field."

You have been shown that he has now thrown the "human bio field" theory under the proverbial bus in favor of the notion that they somehow use "heat and cold" to perform their magic.

At what point do you stop making excuses for this fraud?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 12:56 AM
EDHUK said:

"Hello, hello, magical thinker here."

I'm fascinated and appalled by the amount of magical thinking I see in society.

A LOT of people seem to be unable to rethink their premise(s) even when the overwhelming majority (or TOTALITY) of available facts contradict it/them (including some VERY highly-placed members of the current Administration, it seems).

It's never pleasant to have to admit that a cherished notion may simply be dead wrong, but part of being a rational, intelligent ADULT involves the ability occasionally do just that.

I *could* be wrong though, I guess (which is painful to think about). 😊
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 01:42 AM
"I'm fascinated and appalled by the amount of magical thinking I see in society.

A LOT of people seem to be unable to rethink their premise(s) even when the overwhelming majority (or TOTALITY) of available facts contradict it/them (including some VERY highly-placed members of the current Administration, it seems)."

I think the word "truthiness" pretty much describes exactly the idea you are trying to get across. It comes across my mind practically every time I read the 'wavers' posts.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 09:35 AM
Razela,

Congratulations you learned a new word!!!

You say:
"A LOT of people seem to be unable to rethink their premise(s) even when the overwhelming majority (or TOTALITY) of available facts contradict it/them"

And even though this is close to being a true statement, never forget without these people in our world we would still be living in caves.

They should be admired and not ridiculed.

Granted some are "perceived" loopier than others but again in some and certainly their circles they are held in higher esteem. Just like the die hard skeptics in this circle.

If we all thought like you, we would be doomed. Maybe we are doomed anyway, but you need to celebrate diversity, without it where would "truthiness" be.
br d
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 09:59 AM
So, do we as a species have to believe in things without questioning them in order to celebrate diversity?

br d
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 10:40 AM
Dina

"David never signed DR. on anything."

Your simple trusting statement, about a man you claim to know personally, says it all.

ONE MORE TIME JUST FOR YOU:

http://www.worldwidescam.info/drschmidt.htm

I presume you will rationalize that this is fake.

"Thanks for filling me in on my misprint by the way, I had a typo and took care of it."

Inaccuracy is a way of life for you. You had more than one typo. Your website is a window in to your personality and character. A view of a magical thinker, hence your inability to change your views when presented with overwhelming evidence.

"Any idiot that thinks the 3 WTC buildings were taken down by aircraft and a few fires need to wake the hell up!"

This displays another part of your personality, but as it has nothing to do with "Dr" David Schmidt and his ever changing patches, belongs in another thread.

"Good luck in your ridiculous forum and your petty lives."

Ah, the temper tantrum of a child. You frustration level shines through. Readers who have scanned your website could argue you do know a great deal about petty living, but that's another story.

http://hairextensionsbydina.com/

You live in a world where appearance is everything. A world where you can sell magic patches to your clients in order to improve their well being, skin etc. Oh, and make a few dollars as well.

I have no personal grudge against you. My feelings about those who have been conned by LifeWave are well documented in this thread.

So perhaps you will move on but please don't think badly of those who continue to post here. Our intentions are good. I wish you could see that you have been had, but I respect your right to ignore the words and carry on.

However, please don't forget what has been posted many times about your personal legal liability as part of the LifeWave organization.
Mickey Mouse
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 11:48 AM
br d,

Believing in things without question is a ridiculous way to live. Question everything until you are comfortable and then proceed with an open mind, everything including science and their so called "LAWS" are constantly changing.

Knowing without trying is different and equally absurd.

We live in a world where the old cliche goes "the winner writes the history books" there are many half truths knocking around out there, that indeed need "questioning"

Conspiracy has become a "dirty" word when indeed the exact meaning of the word in happening all around us. But once you mention it you are a "CRACKPOT"

Just because something works for you don't mean it will work for me. We are all a little bit different.

I have seen people consume high levels of Vit C to overcome cancer they were "told" they would die from. I have seen others try the same thing without effect and who believe that is quackery.

Who is right?

I have seen people die from chemotherapy and radiation when they told this is their only chance of cure.

Where they right?

I believe in giving people their options, ALL their options and when they are educated, their ultimate decision is ALWAYS THE RIGHT ONE.

I have known many people who were told they had 1 year/6 mths/3 mths to live and <b>"believed it"</b> because their doctor told them and guess what in 1 year/6 mths/3 mths nearly to the day they were DEAD.

I have known people who <b>"DID NOT BELIEVE"</b> in their doctor playing God for them and are still alive today.

The mind is a powerful tool and something "science" does not full understand as yet. Placebo, a topic which has been covered here is obviously real, but to date it is "scientifically unexplainable". Perhaps ALL Lifewavers a receiving nothing more than a placebo, but that would highly improbable, scientifically speaking.

As I have stated before I could give a rats ass about David Schmidt and Lifewave and their integrity or their morals....what interests me is WHY people "seem" to get results from these patches on a consistent basis. AND if it is nothing but placebo.....WHY does science continue to poison us with highly toxic drugs when simply giving a placebo has equal effect?

I throw in Randi'd credibility to show people that they will defend him to the end, NO DIFFERENT that the Lifewavers defending David Schmidt...forget both of them....WHY DO THE LIFEWAVE PATCHES SEEM TO WORK IN A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAN WOULD BE COMMON IN A PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDY?

Also in Chinese Medicine there is what is know as The Regeneration Principle. Simply stated:

<b>The Regeneration principle (of Chinese medicine) asserts that we must take an active role in our own healing; the double-blind principle (of Conventional medicine) asserts that we must not.

This principle keeps us blind precisely so we cannot take a role.

There is evidence that the double-blind design puts patients into a state of uncontrollability, or helplessness, which provokes those high levels of corticoid hormones (that arise in response to stress, and which are very unhealthy). </b>

Something elses to consider when looking at placebo effect.

So lets stop, in the words of Stephen Colbert the "truthiness" and start trying to understand the "factiness" or "whyiness"
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 02:02 PM
Mickey Mouse said:

"WHY DO THE LIFEWAVE PATCHES SEEM TO WORK IN A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAN WOULD BE COMMON IN A PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDY?"

Please tell us all what testing has been conducted that gives the results you are claiming.

I know of none, do you?

Is this your opinion or established fact?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 | 02:14 PM
Razela said:

"I think the word "truthiness" pretty much describes exactly the idea you are trying to get across. It comes across my mind practically every time I read the 'wavers' posts."

Yes, I think you're using "truthiness" accurately here. To a LOT of people, including, I would say, 'Wavers, if it FEELS right, it IS right, even if (perhaps ESPECIALLY if) it is contradicted by fact.

The "logic" employed is often along the lines of, "They laughed at Copernicus, they laughed at Thomas Edison and they turned out to be right. They're laughing at David Schmidt, so HE must be right too."

As Carl Sagan said, in response to that kind of reasoning, they laughed at Bozo the Clown, too.

Dina has been a Grade-A example of magical thinking and a "truthiness employer," I'd say. She WANTS the patches to work so much that she is willing to ignore all the considerable evidence that points to "fake." Her attempts to deny that Schmidt lied about being a doctor are particularly convoluted.

I actually feel sorry for her on some levels. When this thing falls, it will fall hard, leaving a lot of the faithful holding the bag, financially. That isn't going to be pretty.
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