MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

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Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 \| 10:04 PM Mickey, You're sounding more and more like Daffy Duck. Are there any conspiracy theories you don't subscribe to? If you answer, please do it in the Conspiracy Theory section of the new forum.
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 \| 10:55 PM Oh please excuse me Captain..... I keep forgetting that everything I say should please you Sir. I almost forgot my manners. My actions are UNEXPLAINABLE do forgive me. And I promise in future to say only things pleasing to your ear. Conspiracy Theories do not interest me, I seek truth through action. You cannot ever prove a theory or it wouldn't be a theory....so feel free to chase you tail Captain....but remember, the sooner you catch on the better..😉 Vaarwel
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 \| 11:00 PM "YES I believe there is a fabrication of truth about the nano technology aspect etc etc....but do they do as claimed - YES." But this can't be proven in a scientific double blind study. You keep trying to compare it to a placebo. Placebo's can be tested and shown to work. Lifewave can't, or at least no one thinks it worth enough to try. Is that so hard to understand?
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 \| 11:01 PM Mickey, all you've been giving us are theories. Unless you think they can be proven?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 12:05 AM Mickey Mouse said: "So YES I believe there is a fabrication of truth about the nano technology aspect etc etc....but do they do as claimed - YES." OK, so you agree with we skeptics that Schmidt is lying about LifeWave. Apparently, though, you still believe that they DO work. I don't follow your logic in saying that they can't be tested. Why? Randi's Challenge wouldn't be testing HOW they work; it would be testing whether they work at all (beyond the level that could be expected from a placebo). You MUST agree that that CAN be tested. The question is, since you believe that they DO work in some apparently inexplicable manner, why you wouldn't apply for the Million Dollar Challenge, prove your contention and become rich. Randi has stated that it wouldn't take more than a few hours, so it can't be that you "dont have the time." What's the problem here?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 12:08 AM A question occurred to me as I was uploading my last comment. If LifeWave works, as you claim, why would Schmidt make up the story about "vibrations" (or "heat and cold," his new version? Why wouldn't he just say why they work and be done with it? Why the elaborate subterfuge? Since there are obviously people who are willing to trust him, what reason would he have to not tell the "real" story?
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 01:12 AM Mickey, I
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 10:21 AM Joel, It has been claimed on this thread that the like of: Feng Shui Dowsing Acupuncture Homeopathy Chakras Energy work of any kind etc.... Is nothing but a bunch of hocus pocus. All I am saying is that if you cannot explain something, basically like your chemistry professor said "Because you can't explain something it doesn't mean it don't work" and he wishes he could explain half the things he KNOWS. This is my point with LW and with Placebo....they are no different IMHO, in as much as they cannot be explained...NOT because LW is always a placebo....and not saying that in some occasions it is just that - a placebo, but for us to say that each time a LW patch "seems" to get a result is a placebo would be foolish. Can we explain how. NO Does that mean it doesn't work. NO You say: "In any event, it is silly to demand that we skeptics here on this forum be able to explain in detail how the placebo effect works." WHY? You freely use it do discredit something else. How can you use somethimg to discredit when you can't explain your defense? Imagine in a court of law you say "Your honor I am sure he killed her - positive in fact" The Judge says OK please explain "Well I cannot explain but I am positive it was he, without doubt he is guilty"......nope it doesn't cut the cheese... I beleive in the placebo effect - it is real. But as you have stated there is something ELSE going on, you say "that the mind affects the body" this is energy. And remember you have both a conscious and unconcious mind, of which can work simultaneously. I say test things without looking at little quirks in personality to back your arguements. We all have quirks....bad thoughts....of which we are not proud of....it doesn't make us evil people....we have all got a skeleton or two in our closet INCLUDING ALL OF YOU that if were made public to this forum would render you a buffoon, and someone whose opinion means little or nothing. So to scientifically test is the only way to agree or disagree if these patches really work. But as science CANNOT explain how they would work even if they did, it automatically HAS to be a placebo....also which they can't explain.... doesn't leave us much hope for people like you who claim "I know for an absolute fact that my mental state, beliefs, and impressions affect my body" but intodays scientific world you my friend are nothing short of a crazed lunatic for this belief. Y'all come back now
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 10:57 AM You have to forgive people being testy here, when you have to start all over again because someone won't take the time to read what's come before it gets a bit old. That's why I only jump in occasionally, I tend not to get as jaded that way. 😊 <i>It has been claimed on this thread that the like of: Feng Shui Dowsing Acupuncture Homeopathy Chakras Energy work of any kind etc.... Is nothing but a bunch of hocus pocus. All I am saying is that if you cannot explain something, basically like your chemistry professor said "Because you can't explain something it doesn't mean it don't work" and he wishes he could explain half the things he KNOWS. </i> You're quite right that a failure to explain something doesn't mean it doesn't work or exist. I think the problem here is that you're assuming all these things actually <b>do</b> work, and that's simply never been shown to be true. No controlled, double-blind experiment has ever shown any positive results for any of the beliefs you listed. The placebo affect, on the other hand, is well understood. Many, many, many issues people have are subjective, especially pain. It may seem agonizing when you're focusing on it and obsessing about it, but as soon as you're distracted you stop noticing it as much. Everybody deals with this at some time or another, I've done it with toothaches many times. They seem so much worse at night because I have nothing distracting me from the pain. That doesn't actually mean the pain is worse, I just notice it more. People see what they expect or want to see. If you tell them a placebo will help them, many people will report positive results because that's what they expect. It doesn't mean any of the issues have changed in any way, it just means people's perceptions of them have changed. It works both ways too - tell healthy people they should expect nausea and many will report that as a side affect. Every little twinge or ache will be either magnified or suppressed, depending on expectations. As stated several times, there have been countless scientific studies (probably thousands) of the placebo affect. It's well established in the medical industry, and it's understood that it must be taken into account. It's results can be easily replicated by anyone who cares to make the effort. That's why you must always have a control group. The same cannot be said for Lifewave. There have been no studies published, no replicable results reported. None. There's no science behind it at all. That's why people are unwilling to accept it. The Lifewavers are asking people to fork over a lot of money for something they refuse to prove even works. I understand giving people the benefit of the doubt, but when a company refuses to provide proof that's a classic sign of a scam. As for your whole 'energy' explanation for the placebo affect, what are you even talking about? You keep throwing 'energy' out there as if that term meant something. Are you talking potential energy? Kinetic energy? Electrical? Mechanical? You're using a term without even defining it. If you have a working theory about this 'energy' then present it. Tell us how it works, show us the evidence. Lastly - <i>You cannot ever prove a theory or it wouldn't be a theory....</i> Already debunked, but you get used to repetition on this site. Some theories have evidence backing them up. Some have none. Why would you equate the two when they're clearly not equal? If you have a theory and evidence for that theory again, please present it.
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 11:20 AM Mickey: "So to scientifically test is the only way to agree or disagree if these patches really work." On that point we agree. So why have you concluded that the patches "work" if there have been no proper scientific tests of them, with the results published in respected peer reviewed science journals and duplicated by others? We've received promises for years now of numerous studies in the works, but no credible studies have ever been published. We've receive a number of joke studies, including laughable studies by people financially connected to Lifewave and which have been falsely represented by LifeWave as having been peer reviewed, but nothing credible. If I understand you correctly, you seem to say that LifeWave patches work on "energy" which you equate with the mind affecting the body. It sounds like we both agree, therefore, that any effect of the patches is the mind affecting the body, which falls within the definition of the placebo effect: The apparent results are produced by the mind rather than any inherent characteristic of the thing being tested. There is plenty of indirect evidence that the patches don't do jack. That indirect evidence includes: the failure of every waver who ever walked the planet to take the JREF challenge and collect their $1 million merely for being able to detect the presence of a patch; the failure of LifeWave to submit to scientific testing which would prove the efficacy of the patches if it existed and turn DS into an instant gazillionaire and earn him the Nobel prize in medicine; the disillusionment and leaving of the business by so many LifeWave distributors and upper management; the proven dishonesty of DS; the proven failure by DS to understand even basic principles like which way electricity flows, or the difference between amplitude modulation and frequency modulation; the failure of LifeWavers to fulfill their promises to send patches to hcmomof4 and myself to try them and post the results here. So in view of all this, why do you believe that the patches "work," and what is the mechanism by which you believe that they "work"?
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 02:29 PM Let me tell you why I "think" that something about the patches "work" - not that I am expecting you to believe this story, but it is truth none the less. It is not peer reviewed or scientific in any way...it just is but a simple experiment. My own sister (37 yrs) a self confessed couch potato with 2 children was visiting. She is not an athlete and not a regular gym user. I had just used my ABPA to create LW patches using regular band aids. See http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com She proceeded to allow me to use her as a guinea pig and performed 30 push ups (with knees on ground) the last 3 were quivering and maxed out her physical strength....these were counted by my other sister and their combined 3 children.... She sat up rested and drank 1 pint of water, approximately 5 minutes later I positioned the "band aids" on her shoulder points as suggested and asked to perform again.... on stretching out her arms they were stiff & sore and she commented on how she didn't think she could do any.... SHE KNEW NOTHING OF INCREASED ENERGY etc.. (however I did tell her she could lose some weight by trying this) She began again....10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80....at 80 she just stopped...asking how much weight she had lost..... I have tried on numerous occasion to put band aids on to someone "without" cloned frequencies including her and never gotten the desired result. Even with the "suggestion" that these band aids "WILL" increase your energy. Again I have nothing to sell....couldn't give a rats ass about LW or DS....but I can tell you "something" placebo or otherwise is going on when these patches or clones of them are used. I can't explain it.... But I know its real. In my illusion / delusion anyway....😊 Adios Ps.."when crticism is criticized you know you are in the prescence of ideology"
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 02:42 PM So you think the patches, or clones of the patches, actually work because your Advanced Bio-Photon Analyzer told you so???? "But officer, I was sure his three-card Monte was on the level because a complete stranger walked up while I was learning the rules, and he said it looked legitimate to him."
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 02:55 PM Mickey: Uh, you're kidding, right? You believe that LifeWave patches "work" BECAUSE you used this BioPhoton Analyzer thing (only $1850 at the special introductory price "- Neutralize stressful energetic residue that may be contaminating your foods; - Antidote and neutralize the energetic effects of chemicals and toxins in household products that may be weakening your body (such as household cleaning products); - Neutralize harmful energies in your living area and land, including sick buildings, water and soil, greenhouses, farms, and agricultural applications") on regular Band-Aids and the results was that your sister could do more pushups? So that's why you believe that LifeWave patches work? You say you own one of those BioPhoton Analyzer things. Did you pay the $1850 asking price for it? Adios to you too. Thank you for contributing your unique perspective, experience, and analytical reasoning, even if we never did learn anything about your background other than your nebulous claim to be a "researcher."
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 03:51 PM Mickey, "...when these patches or clones of them..." I'm trying to understand your points, I really am, but are you suggesting that the band aids you "treated" are clones of LifeWave polyester patches that contain glucose and glycerin (and nothing else)as per the companies' own description? Dave
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 03:54 PM Mickey, Part 2 "It is not peer reviewed or scientific in any way...it just is but a simple experiment." Would you say that if someone were to try the patches and found NO EFFECT, that would mean the patches DON'T WORK? Dave
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 04:27 PM Mickey, Part 3 Just so that we are all on the same page. I presume this is the website for the device you have mentioned: Interestingly the code gives us the info that the site was created in 2002. Created Fri Nov 08 11:27:31 GMT+0800 (Malay Peninsula Standard Time) 2002 You'd think EVERYONE would be familiar with this device by now? I don't want to get side tracked here, but this paragraph: "In 1994, the National Institutes of Health in the United States adopted a new term
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 07:05 PM Mickey Mouse said: "I say test things without looking at little quirks in personality to back your arguements." Exactly what we're trying to get you to agree to do. Randi's Challenge would employ double-blind testing to determine whether or not LifeWave does what is claimed for it. It is NOT concerned with HOW it does it, merely whether it actually DOES it. They could accomplish their miracles via "vibrations" or "heat and cold." It wouldn't matter. Randi is betting, in effect, that they don't work, no matter WHAT mumbo-jumbo is used in their marketing. "Little quirks in personality" wouldn't figure into properly-conducted double-blind testing in any way. Why won't you agree to this testing, even when you stand to gain One Million Dollars for almost no work on your part?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 07:14 PM OK, Mickey Mouse, so if I understand you, you "cloned" LifeWave patches using ordinary Band-Aids and some pseudo-scientific machine. "Dr." David Schmidt says that LifeWave patches use glycerine and molasses (presumably necessary to their functioning). Did YOUR "cloned" patches also use those two items? If not, how can you say that your patches are equivalent to the "official" LifeWave version? Second, if you have concluded that your patches worked based on one test on your sister, isn't it more than reasonable to request that they be tested on a group of people, under controlled conditions? After all, one person is hardly a significant sample size, right? Even though you're a believer, you must concede that there COULD be reasons other than the alleged efficacy of the patches for the results you and your sister observed. A larger sample group would tend to factor out any extraneous causes, like the dreaded placebo effect.
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 08:21 PM I think Mickey is yanking everybody's chain. Adios, Mic. You had the last laugh.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 08:40 PM Mickey PART 1 I guess when you read posts from a cartoon character, something is destined to go wrong. Mickey, please tell me your posts have NOT been a long drawn out way to advertise another company with dubious claims. http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/empulse.htm You tell us you already have their machine, at nearly $2000. Some favorite Mickey insights: "David Scmidt and Lifewave have a product that may or may not work. Who cares really? If you want to try it go for it if you don't then don't." "Does the heart actually pump blood around the body.....some scientists today even disagree." "Let me tell you how the LW patches work. Its not rocket science but you do need to be a little openminded to try and understand." "So what the difference if someone chooses to pay $85 for patches that don't work?" "Lies & Deception are part of the way the game is played in the 21st Century..." "So has David Schmidt lied? Probably hundreds of times,..." "So no it doesn't bother me to see Schmidt lying to make a living, it seems perfectly feasable that he or anyone would think that was OK." "DS and LW have created a new style of something that has been known for 100+ years and brought it to the public in a manner that they can get around the tightly set controls." "Is DS fraudulently deceiving people? Technically I think he is not, he gives people what he claims more energy, does he do it in the way he describes in his literarture....Not in my humble opinion." "This technology is not new. And the story DS touts IMHO is not how these patches actually work.....HOWEVER if he told the truth as to how they work, popularity in scientific terms would not be as welcome....because like everything energetic it cannot be explained." "If this makes DS a lying sack of shit then I guess thats what he is."
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 \| 08:54 PM PART 2 "Well now this is a whole different ball game....a woman scorned ....would you believe her...lol.....Poor Mrs Schmidt was probably starved of the old mutton dagger as DS was touring the country touting his wares....this womans testimony is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike....next witness...." "I have met with DS on a few occasions....I dined with him once also....." "But as science CANNOT explain how they would work even if they did, it automatically HAS to be a placebo....also which they can't explain...." "Again I have nothing to sell....couldn't give a rats ass about LW or DS....but I can tell you "something" placebo or otherwise is going on when these patches or clones of them are used." So, Mickey, you have shared your feelings over the LifeWave patches, and how you have cut DS out of the loop by "manufacturing" your own "patches". You have given us tantalizing insights in to your reasoning powers. To have educated us on your stand on morals, ethics and what passes for good business practices. I, for one, have read more than enough. To paraphrase something you posted. Ya'll don't come back now There's a good boy.
Coops	Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 \| 12:30 PM I started to read these posts from page 50 and have been lurking around and to be entertained. I did post a few comments here. What I can gather is that the dispute isn
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 \| 12:49 PM "What I can gather is that the dispute isn
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 \| 04:26 PM Coops in South Africa "The patches were dry by the end of the day meaning that they ARE transdermic." If what you state is true, David Schmidt and his company are in a GREAT deal of trouble. Their company is based on the patches being NON-TRANSDERMAL. They claim that NOTHING enters the body through the skin. On more than one occasion, I have suggested that a plausible explanation for feeling an "effect" would be that the patches were passing substances into the body. If it turns out that David Schmidt has LIED on their most basic of claims, he will have broken the law. The FDA will be more interested in his case. "What I can gather is that the dispute isn
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 \| 05:18 PM If you go way back in this thread, you'll eventually come to the exchange where a LifeWave supporter sent me a few patches. My wife tried them and felt NO effect, positive or negative at all. Having actually seen and held LifeWave patches in my hand, I'd say that their manufacture was not exactly up to military specifications. My guess is that if they go dry after a day or two, it's simply because the stuff (glycerine and molasses) evaporates. In fact, if you go to James Randi's website (randi.org) and use "LifeWave" as a search term, you'll eventually find a picture of the very patches my wife tried (I sent them on to Randi when my wife was done with them). Take a look and decide for yourself. Speaking of my wife, she just suggested that what Coops felt on his skin could have been the adhesive on the patches. Some people apparently are allergic or sensitive to Band-Aid adhesive.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 \| 10:14 PM Coops said: "There are just toooooooo many posters here that say they do work for it not to have
Coops	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 12:31 AM The James Randi challenge won
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 12:45 AM Coops You sound pretty knowledgeable about these patches. "The James Randi challenge won
Coops	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 01:22 AM The only knowledge I have learned is what was discussed here at this forum. Wavers always say
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 10:48 AM Coops, I think the point about placebo effect is that at the time of using a drug, or patch etc. the subject cannot be aware that they are using a placebo. In double blind controlled studies, some new "drugs" being tested turn out to be no more effective than a placebo. If the subjects were told that they were being given a placebo, the study would be invalid and of no scientific use. Many posters here talk as if they are "in the know" about the patches. LifeWavers are particularly adept at sounding knowledgeable. Of course, it later transpires that their knowledge comes directly from the LifeWave website. David Schmidt is constantly working on his version of "truth" on his website. The early days of the patches "talking" to your body have been replaced with: "Our Energy Enhancer patches are constructed from organic materials and that when placing the patches on the body produce both a heating and cooling effect. Clinical studies have shown that this effect increases energy and the burning of fat." Perhaps DS decided the cellphone idea was a little too crazy. Heating and cooling almost sounds believable, but how that would in any way give you more energy is still up for grabs. I am one of many who point out the ridiculous nature of LifeWave LLC. Some listen and later post their thanks. Others buy the product any way. That's freedom of choice. Happy New Year ! Dave EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 10:54 AM http://altmed.creighton.edu/Homeopathy/placebo_effect.htm http://skepdic.com/placebo.html http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/100_heal.html
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 04:49 PM Coops said: "The James Randi challenge won
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 05:04 PM CMG "That is NOT the only possibility. The material in the patches could simply have evaporated. In that case, the patches would be dry but nothing in any appreciable quantity would have entered your body." I remember the good old semipermeable membrane experiment in school biology class. Water could pass through the membrane but not sugar or other large molecules. In theory, if you were to put the patches in water, they should get bigger as water passes through the semi permeable membrane into the contents (glucose for example). Maybe Coops in South Africa could put his "dried out" patches in a bowl of water and see if they regained their orginal size. I wonder if the prospect of something actually passing transdermally into the body could confound a James Randi test. If something is passing into the body causing an effect, it could be possible for someone to correctly identify which patches were the LifeWave patches. Perhaps the James Randi team would have to insist that the patches weighed exactly the same before and after the test. However this turns out, I'm still convinced that DS is a slight of hand merchant, nothing more. Cheers, Dave
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 05:26 PM EDHUK said: "If something is passing into the body causing an effect, it could be possible for someone to correctly identify which patches were the LifeWave patches." If I understand Randi's protocol correctly, if enough people were to be able to tell which patches were LifeWave and which were placebos, (since the application of them would be double-blinded), the applicant would win the million bucks. Randi is, in effect, betting that, given a large enough sample of people, no more would be able to tell LifeWave from "placebos" than chance would allow for. Did that make sense?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 05:56 PM CMG "If I understand Randi's protocol correctly, if enough people were to be able to tell which patches were LifeWave and which were placebos, (since the application of them would be double-blinded), the applicant would win the million bucks." My point is that those conditions were formulated under the notion that the patches were, as advertised by DS, nontransdermal. That NOTHING passed through the patches into the body. What if a substance really was passing though the patch and through the skin into the body. This would be a new ball game, wouldn't it? Dave
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 \| 07:31 PM More Changes to the LifeWave Website Testimonials: http://www.lifewave.com/EnergyEnhancerTestimonials.asp The usual haste and carelessness. "Patrick Mulcahy In The Net Soccer Academy, Merrimack, NH Editor's Note: Patrrick..." Typos usually abound as the page is quickly put together. Why bother to get it right. It's usually not around long enough to matter.
The Watcher	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 12:33 AM I'm sorry.. but you people are complete idiots.. Ive been watching this site for over a year now... and I'm shaking my head more and more these days... The " top posters " of this site ( you know who you are ) are some of the biggest windbags that Ive ever seen.... Are your lives really so empty and meaningless that you have felt the need to make post after post after post for all these months and months just to make you feel like your smart ?? When it really comes down to it,, none of you have a CLUE of what your talking about.... You have all been trying to play .. " who's the smartest in the room " ..... who can out wit ,, out talk and out banter the other.....and its really quite pathetic.... I feel sorry for all of you...... Lifewave is here to stay...... The company has been horribly mis-managed , yes ,, but the products will keep them afloat for many years to come...deal with it , get over it... and move on with your lives....... try paying more attention to your family's and friends and let this sad thread finally die.......
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 12:40 AM Feeling a wee bit threatened, are we, Watcher? Tell you what. Since you think we're so stupid and all and you're so sure that LifeWave patches do exactly what they are advertised as being able to do, why don't you apply for Randi's Challenge, win the million bucks and shut our stupid mouths once and for all? I promise you that, if you take the Challenge and win, I will NEVER post anything negative about LifeWave ever again, so long as I live. I think that some of the other skeptics here would be willing to make the same promise. You have a golden opportunity here, Watcher. The question is, do you have the balls to back up your words?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 12:42 AM EDHUK said: "What if a substance really was passing though the patch and through the skin into the body. "This would be a new ball game, wouldn't it?" Yes, it sure would. I don't think it would actually change the outcome of Randi's Challenge (as I don't believe that molasses and glycerine can do what is claimed for LifeWave), but it sure would challenge that FDA approval that LifeWave currently has. It would also completely throw out all of Schmidt's theories about how LifeWave "works."
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 06:19 PM The Watcher in on a planet full of idiots...... "Ive been watching this site for over a year now..." No you haven't. You couldn't have resisted posting something for that long. "...feel like your smart..." Try YOU'RE, idiot. "...have a CLUE of what your..." Try YOU'RE, idiot. People like you make it very easy for ANYONE to seem smart. I have a chest of drawers that's smarter than you. My dog is smarter than you. Now do you get it, idiot. If you have anything of real value to contribute to this thread, please amaze us all. Otherwise, you know what to do. EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 06:28 PM CMG "Yes, it sure would. I don't think it would actually change the outcome of Randi's Challenge (as I don't believe that molasses and glycerine can do what is claimed for LifeWave), but it sure would challenge that FDA approval that LifeWave currently has." I think Coops in South Africa has raised the possibility that the patches are indeed transdermal and have been passing substances in to people's bodies causing effects. If David Schmidt has lied about the patches being non-transdermal, he could also have lied about the contents. My understanding of the James Randi Challenge is that LifeWave has been accepted as a bona fide entrant based on their claim to bring about changes by non-transdermal means. Anyone can make a patch that puts substances in to your body, but nobody (including David Schmidt at LifeWave) has a patch that can talk to your body and "tell it" to make more energy. Dave
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 06:37 PM "The
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 \| 07:34 PM Ladies Please put the feckin handbags away.... Your an idiot - No your an idiot - No I said it first so it must be you - for goodness sake WISE UP....if you can't behave in a civil manner then say nothing, because as far as I can see you are both doing good impersonations of idiots. As far as whether the patches are transdermal or not, do you not think the FDA FTC NCAA NFL NBA FIFA etc have already done their due diligence on that.....do you think you would see athletes representing theses sporting bodies using LW patches if there was "illegal" substances crossing into the blood stream? Or maybe they are just IDIOTS also.... Being skeptical is fine and in some cases admirable, but what you guys seem to be doing is creating your own little cult following... Randi Randi Randi vs Schmidt Schmidt Schmidt!!! Randis Corner: We don't have to prove anything we are the skeptics and you won't prove to us so you must be wrong and Randi our fearless leader must be right....Schmidt won't tell us the truth so the patches must be transdermal and passing some substance that we can't detect into the body... Schmidt Corner: Thousands of people see great benefits and increased energy, we don't know how they work they just do....professional athletes who are more in tune with their bodies and have professional coaches use the LW patches because they seem to work for them.... Randi Corner: But thats called placebo....Duh...you idiot!!! Schmidt Corner: Fuck you I know they work cause I tried them...so your the idiot.... Randi Corner: No YOU'RE the idiot..... Schmidt Corner: No YOU'RE the idiot..... Randi Corner: No YOU'RE the idiot..... Schmidt Corner: No YOU'RE the idiot..... And we all live happily ever after....as idiots... Au Revoir Ps...Ironically I got a call from a friend the other evening about the Worlds Strongest Man (American dude) was on ESPN? he won the last 5 events of the tournament to become the 2006 champion....when he took off his shirt to compete in the stones event there were 2 LW patches on his chest.....but I guess that just makes him an idiot.... Maybe Dave would like to tell him that Face to Face....LOL.....
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 11:07 AM Mickey wrote, "Ironically ... the Worlds Strongest Man (American dude) ....when he took off his shirt ... there were 2 LW patches on his chest.....but I guess that just makes him an idiot...." Mic, taking your representations at face value, my guess is that this unnamed WSM(Ad) was wearing LifeWave patches because he got paid to wear them, just as I'm guessing that Ronnie Coleman got paid to endorse the patches. That would make WSM(Ad) a paid shill, but hardly an idiot. And just like Ronnie Coleman, once LW quits paying him, he'll quit wearing or endorsing the patches. Mic, do you want to name this guy and go on the record as representing that he wasn't paid to wear the patches, or that he wasn't urged to wear the patches just so that LW could claim that he was wearing patches? I'm sure there will be people here willing to check your representations out. Let's gather the facts, shall we? Oh, and BTW, when did this unnamed WSM(Ad) break his own personal record by 15%, which is the instant increase in strength that LW claims for the patches? I'm sure people here can check that out, as well. I'm not sure why he would be wearing LifeWave patches though. Why don't you inform WSM(Ad) that if he just buys one of your Biofrequency Analyzer gizmos and uses it to zap some regular Band-Aids, he can put the Band-Aids on and get a more than 150% increase in strength just like your sister, and leave the competition in the dust. Why anyone would wear LifeWave patches when they could get the far more superior and long lasting Biofrequency Analyzer Band-Aid Zapper, or the really incredible Harmony Chips, beats me (at least, for anyone who believes testimonials and product claims about new age energy medicine products based on ancient eastern spiritualism, resonant frequencies, balancing out positive and negative energy flows in the body, etc.)
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 11:09 AM Mickey Thought you had left us for good. Sorry you didn't understand my post. The Watcher has problems using the words "your" and "you're" in the correct context. Funny thing is so do you, apparently. What a coincidence. "Schmidt Corner: Fuck you I know they work cause I tried them...so your the idiot...." EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 11:14 AM Is this the guy? http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2603802
The LifeWave Watcher	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 11:44 AM Yep, that's the guy.
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 11:46 AM Just copy pasted your post Dave, I figured not pointing this out to you would be best as totally irrelevant....but now that you did, I guess we better watch how we spell things or Mr IQ King of the English Language will slap our wrists..... Sorry to disappoint you Dave...this is way too much fun.... Joel: Certainly seems to be the guy based on description...winning last five events....I didn't see it and my friend was just flicking channels seen it and just happened to mention it to me..... Lets see if he is a paid LW user...certainly David Beckham was not a paid LW user why was he wearing them....? http://www.ghchealth.com/lifewave/beck.php Probably just a dumb Brit....and the only famous person to advertise and not get PAID....sure he doesn't need the money anyway... Now before we find our if Pfister is a paid LW endorser....if he isn't does that make him credible? Not getting paid but still using the product? I am sure some of you boys can find out the answer....and either way he will be rendered an idiot....a very strong idiot.... Adious...
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 11:49 AM Just thinking.... Maybe as Becksy didn't get paid for his advertising of LW maybe he can cash in on King Randi's million ....???
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 01:51 PM I never said that Becksy or anyone else who tries the patches is an idiot. In fact, I offered to try the patches myself in response to a Lifewave distributor's challenge, but then she quit communicating. In a previous post I saluted as rather clever those people who uses the patches in competition to try to psyche out their opponents. If it makes their opponents think that maybe they are using a banned performance enhancing drug or getting some other previously unknown edge, and thus rattles their opponents' concentration and distracts them from their events even just a tiny bit, hey, that's great sports strategy in my book. Beckham, Becksy, whoever - no claim by me that they are idiots. In fact, the dumber that athletes are in general, the better that that psyching out strategy probably works. But anyone who thinks that non-transdermal glycerine and sugar patches placed on Chakra points send frequency modulated signals to the body just like tiny little cell phones to tell it to burn more fat, or to quit snoring, or to make wrinkles go away, is an idiot.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 01:56 PM Do I have this right? Just the fact that Pfister was wearing Lifewave patches when he won the competition proves the patches work? How do we know he wouldn't have won without them? In the same way, Ronnie Coleman apparently wears the patches and keeps winning the Mr. Olympia competion. But he was winning the Mr. Olympia before Lifewave patches were 'invented'. How did the patches change anything? Maybe we've finally found someone with enough guts to take the $1,000,000 challenge. Mr. Pfister should be able to tell in a blind test whether or not he is given a real patch or a fake. Surely he would not turn down a million dollars like ALL the other Lifewave 'supporters. How can we contact him?
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 02:16 PM Captain Al, no, you have it wrong. The fact that a BioFrequency Analyzer thingy used to zap household Band-Aids makes Mickey's sister do 50 more pushups when she's wearing the zapped Band-Aids, THAT is what proves that LifeWave patches work. At least, according to Mickey, that is.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 03:46 PM Thanks for the correction Joel. I guess my system of logic is flawed.
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 04:03 PM It's an easy mistake to make, Cap'n. Logic can be a tricky thing.
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 05:39 PM Captain said: Do I have this right? Just the fact that Pfister was wearing Lifewave patches when he won the competition proves the patches work? No Captain no where in the post was a claim like that made. It was inferring, WHY someone who is VERY strong and KNOWS how much weight they can lift because they have been doing it at the highest level for years would waste time wearing something that contained "banned substances" or that it did nothing for him - only placebo......where is the logic (that Joel is searching so cluelessly for)? But I must admit, I would find it hard to read posts too if I had Joel's tongue lodged half way up my arsehole....Take your tongue out Joey, theres a good boy...the Cap'n's trying to think.... Nameste
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 06:25 PM "It was inferring, WHY someone who is VERY strong and KNOWS how much weight they can lift because they have been doing it at the highest level for years would waste time wearing something that contained 'banned substances'" Molasses and glycerin are banned substances? I really wouldn't have thought that anyone cared...
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 06:40 PM "It was inferring, WHY someone who is VERY strong and KNOWS how much weight they can lift because they have been doing it at the highest level for years would waste time wearing something that . . . did nothing for him." Um, because someone said, "Just try the patches" ? You know, Occam's Razor and all.
Mickey Mouse	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 08:22 PM Joel said: Um, because someone said, "Just try the patches" ? You know, Occam's Razor and all. Well someone has said that to you too, so what, did Occam's Razor cut your balls off? Or are you afraid you too might be affected and have no explanation and have to find some other group that accepts you into their small community, to hang out, because Captain surely wouldn't like it if Joel came back and said "Hey Captain I tried them LW patches just to prove everyone wrong and something was different, I just can't explain it, you know me, I have been kissing your ass for months now on this subject, maybe me and you can run away with King Randi's million, they work, they work, they work...." Sorry Joel if that thought broke you out in a cold sweat.....😊 Adijo
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 08:52 PM Hey, Mickey, the last LifeWave distributor who said that she would send me some LifeWave patches along with placebo patches to test seems to have disappeared. If you're game, I am. Post your email address and I'll drop you a line with the same proposed protocol that I proposed to the last distributor who seems to have chickened out. If you're not game, the challenge is open to any LifeWave distributor. In the meantime, please publicly state how much time on average that you think I'll shave off on my 3-mile time, which currently is about 24 minutes, by wearing the LifeWave patches vs. the placebo patches. I look forward to hearing from you.
Joel Member	Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 \| 08:59 PM P.S. If I cut my average 3-mile time by 20% by wearing non-transdermal Lifewave sucrose and glycerine patches vs. the placebo patch or my non-patch runs, which is what LifeWave publicly claims to be the stamina improvement obtained by wearing the patches, I'll pay you 5x the retail cost of the patches, and will probably end up being a lifetime customer. It's your move, Mic.
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