The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:37 PM
Dina, you could at least read the last couple of pages...
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:41 PM
So Cal,
Last couple of pages of what?
Todd
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:42 PM
Cranky Media Guy,
The medical field is the biggest quackery of them all. Backed by not one ounce of scientific research that works.
The body does the healing, medicine men do the killing. I have never met a healthy enough doctor or proponent of the medical establishment nor will there ever be one. Doctor means teacher and the so called father of medicine, Hippocrates was not a physician but a herbalist. 400,000 people in America are killed annually in which the death certificate reads "Death by adverse reaction to prescription drugs". If you should find a healthy enough Medicine Doctor who has any drive whatsoever in disproving what I have said, have them email me and we will have a fun little challenge in which you can videotape for the world to see who has the superior mind and body. It will not be a medicine man or woman, I assure you that. Please no hate email, just words of wisdom that backs there methodology of treatment other than drug treatment, radiation, ectomy's, etc.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:44 PM
...sigh...

Before you jump into something, it's not a bad idea to poke around and see what's up. Reading some of the previous pages before posting might have not been a bad idea.

Except of course, since you had already made your mind up, it wouldn't matter what else had been said.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:48 PM
hcmomof4, EDHUK is toughest LifeWave critic, that's why I've called Him a spiritual leader.
And we all know His sentiment towards David Schmidt.
In the other hand, Dina is going to a meat shredder
with Her attitude, because she have no clue where
she's at. And I kinda don't mind 😉
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:48 PM
The bottom line is, when something works, it works. When there are actual blood test, testing levels of glutathione after a patch has been on, that's medical fact. Everyone that has used them, obviously not yourself, knows they work. What's the big deal, THE PATCHES WORK.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 02:50 PM
Peter, I like you more all the time...

Dina, the placebo effect works too, and it's cheaper.
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:04 PM
I have a friend of mine that need 8 disc replaced in his back. When he started using the Energy patches from Lifewave, he got off all medication and has a quality of life he had not seen fo 3 years prior to that because of decrease in health. Tell him they do not work.

A friend with gout uses them and gets 100% relief uses Lifewave patches. Tell him it doesn't work.

I have a solid energy all day and am more productive with a better mental clarity everyday. Tell me it does not work.

Thanks for filling me in on placebo. I guess the glutathione levels checked with a blood test knew to change because someone told them too. And, nice to know that animals can understand the human language to know what they are going to feel.

Again...

Everytime I have a pain and I use my Lifewave patches and it gives me 100% relief. Tell me it doesn't work.

I have a 13 year old that trains with the Lifewave patches as will as plays football and runs track and is benching over 200 lbs. and leg presses 715 lbs 11 times. As a running back, he is plowing over players, is extremely hard to take down, is as fresh from the beginning of his game to the end, and runs faster and doesn't get lactic acid. Tell him it doesn't work
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:05 PM
Dina,

I have not tried Lifewave, nor the Q-Ray bracelet, nor sleeping in a pyramid shaped room. Nor have I called Miss Cleo and the Psychic Friends Network.

I will not give you my credit card number, but I would be willing to send you the cost for shipping to me 15 pairs of "real" Lifewave patches and 15 pairs of placebo patches, of which Lifewave must have many in view of their supposed placebo-controlled studies. You number the patches using a pencil, and keep track of which are the "real" patches and which are the placebos. I'll run a 3-mile route that I routinely run using the "real patches", the placebos, and with no patches, and record the results and my observations, then we'll simultaneously exchange my results and your key as to which are the "real" patches and which are the placebos.

Do you accept? What do you think will be the average time over 3 miles that I shave off when I wear the "real" patches vs. the placebo patches and vs. no patches? I normally run that route in about 24 minutes.

This should be fun.
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:06 PM
Okay Mr. EDHUK, what is your connection to David of which you speak and the MAIN critic because of it?
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:11 PM
Joel,

How about this, I'll pay the shipping for your trial and have them sent to you since $4.95 will break ya. And how again can you speak about something you know nothing about. If you haven't tried them, where can you talk?
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:14 PM
How can a blood test be placebo? Does the glutathione level increase itself by what we tell it to and it shows up in a blood test? I guess animals speak the human language and understand that they will feel better, have more energy and aren't in pain. Very interesting....
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:17 PM
Are any of you Lifewave distributor? Have you used the patches?
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:20 PM
Does any of you know what a human electro magnetic field is?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:30 PM
I've been all but begging for a chance to use my son as a guinea pig to test the patches. I can even afford the $4.95. But I won't provide a credit card number.

You'd know all that if you had read a few of the previous pages.
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:30 PM
Joel,
Being an "electrical engineer with a significant background in communications. I work with new communications technologies almost every day." I trust you know what resonant energy is???
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:31 PM
Dina,

As I have stated before, I believe strongly in the power of the mind to influence the body. That's why I believe that a "test" that is not a double blind placebo controlled study is meaningless. There are very good reasons that a double blind placebo controlled study, repeatable and actually repeated by others, is the only way that is accepted by the scientific community to test the efficacy of something like a pill or a patches. So unless you can send me placebo patches as well, I'm not interested in trying the patches. Do you believe that you can't obtain access to placebo patches, or are you simply unwilling to do so?

I can speak about supposed tiny cell phones and radio transmitters because I have studied communications in both undergraduate and graduate electrical engineering, have worked extensively in that field, and I have carefully studied "Dr." David Schmidt's writings in support of his theories. I have infinitely more training and experience in those fields than "Dr." David Schmidt and Stephen Haltiwanger have put together. I hope those qualifications are good enough for you.

What qualifications do you have to write about tiny little cells phones and frequencies transmitted by Sioux honey and Grandma molasses (per David Schmidt's patent applications)?
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:37 PM
It's surprising to me to find how all of you who are bashing a product you know nothing about.

NONE of you have tried it.

So Cal, my husband will send you as many patches as you want, free of any charge and will send it to a p.o. box if you want.
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:44 PM
Joel,

Again, you are not a user or have you ever used them. Let me see your qualifications because i can compare apples to apples which I'm sure it will be apples to oranges, but let me see them. I'd love to.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:50 PM
Dina has chickened out. Are there any LW distributors out there who want to take me up on my patch/placebo challenge? Nanoman, are you lurking out there somewhere?
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:54 PM
Joel,

I'll be more than happy to get you placedo patches and regular patches and let you do your test. Where can I send them?
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 03:58 PM
Dina, are you asking for me to send to you my C.V.? What good would that do? Would it change your mind about anything? If you want to talk about frequency modulation, Bessel functions, amplitude modulation, Manchester encoding, Fourier transforms, frequency hopping spread spectrum, envelope detectors, square law modulators, Z-transforms, half wave antennas, dipole antennas, side lobes, single sideband suppressed carrier modulation, cascode amplifiers, resonant circuits, silicon controlled rectifiers, Nyquist diagrams, bode plots, the right hand rule, convolution back projection, or anything else, let me know. Some of that stuff I'm kinda rusty on, though.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 04:06 PM
Dina - I'll email an address to you. This will be fun.
James Randi
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 04:13 PM
I see much blather about this matter, but no one seems willing to try for the million dollars! Now, save me the tired old excuses. Just go to http://www.randi.org and make an application...

Winning the challenge would prove the case , easily. One chap here said he could use reflexology to detect if a patch was present, or not, but then vanished. He doesn't want the million...?

No, folks, these people are deluded, they know it, and they DARE NOT try for the prize! What other answer could there be.

I HAVE A MILLION-DOLLAR PRIZE AWAITING ANYONE WHO CAN EITHER DETECT A PATCH, OR SIMPLY SHOW THAT IT WORKS AS ADVERTISED! WHAT'S SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND? ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING A MILLION BUCKS FOR A 30-MINUTE TRIAL -- to give away to charity, hungry kids, AIDS research, whatever -- IS EITHER STUPID OR DECEPTIVE. OR BOTH.

I'm waiting ...

James Randi
http://www.randi.org
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Joe
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 04:19 PM
I'm confused. You can't be knowledgable about a product without trying it? Then why does lifewave post a lot of articles and videos on its website? So people can informed and make a decision (I don't believe that is the reason why they post them though).

To the medical community bashers, I will always go to a doctor before I go to an "alternative healer." I had cancer and it is gone now, so I respect their ability to diagnose, set up a protocol, and then delivery what I need. An addition, I've had many surgeries. When it comes to cutting me open, I would take a doctor over a person with a lifewave patch anyday.

The problems with the medical community (dying at the hospital) is just life. Similar to getting into your car or walking down the street. You can die from many things.

Connecting this to lifewave now, why aren't lifewave patches in hospitals? It would definitely help weak people suffering from their conditions. Oh yeah, you have to be IN SHAPE to get any results.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 04:40 PM
James Randi, if I get significantly and consistently better times in my 3-mile run wearing patches vs. placebos, I'll be pounding on your door to set up the official protocol for that $1 million prize. Guaranteed. It would be worth a million dollars for me to have to publicly eat crow and say, "I will be dipped in sh____. These patches really do work as advertised. I guess David Schmidt really did discover a whole new branch of physics."
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 05:07 PM
Randi, for your information you have this Million Dollar thing Lifewave working has NOTHING to do with: One Million Dollars awaits the individual who can prove, in a controlled setting, that they have "super" powers. And what kind of an idiot offers this ridiculous kind of thing? Have you tried the patches?
James Randi
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 05:20 PM
Hey, Dina! Yes, I HAVE tried the patches. They don't work! I ran photos of them on my web page! And where have I ever said you needed "super powers"? Heck, you can get the million without ANY powers! All you need to do is show that you can detect the patches, can tell the difference between a fake and a "real" one, or show that they work! YOU GET ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

Tap into my page -- http://www.randi.org -- and look for LifeWave references, Dina. See how they've lied, misrepresented, and avoided the questions.

But YOU can win the million, from what you've said. What's your NEXT excuse, Dina...? I can't wait to hear!
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 05:22 PM
Joe,
What point are you making with the Lifewave videos? And stay tuned for your medical industry reply because unfortunately for you, there is something you did to have your cancer come out and byt the things that medical docs don't tell you about like looking up Royal Raymond Rife. Here's a website http://educate-yourself.org/cn/rifetimelinemay1998.shtml Cancer is a HUGH $$$ maker! And you got sucked into it. YOU can prevent it again but if you don't take charge of your own health, YOU will give yourself cancer again.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 05:35 PM
Dina,

Glad you had plenty of time on your hands to "educate" us on this fascinating "technology".

Now, back to a previous question you asked of me.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 | 09:35 PM
"How old did you think I was? You are real funny.........."

That's kind of you. I had stated in my post of:

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 | 04:17 PM
Dina Page,

"Having clicked on your link to your website, there appears to be a typo. It states you are 19 but clearly shows a picture of a woman in her late thirties."

Well, as my post was a couple of days before your question you may have forgotten,however you did change the link in your name to take us to the LifeWave website not your site in subsequent posts.

I think you look in your late thirties, however your posts here, and in particular your level of reasoning, are clearly at about 9th grade.

You have done yourself a gross disservice by not reading this entire thread. Your comments are NOT original. They have ALL been made before and ALL have systematically been answered.

You appear to be perplexed by the notion that the human body CAN produce measurable substances purely by the placebo effect.

Please read this link:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7892

You clearly have not read anything about the challenge. LifeWave was cleared to show that the patches do as claimed. They initially signed up then backed out.

Your youthful, naive exuberance is a pleasure to behold. Your reasoning that it works for you so it MUST be real is classic magical thinking.

http://skepdic.com/magicalthinking.html
"...magical thinking is "a fundamental dimension of a child's thinking." --Zusne and Jones

Back to that 9th grade thing.

Now, run it by us one more time. You are not going to win the Million Dollars because...?

Dave
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 05:57 PM
I emailed to Dina Page a PDF copy of the provisional patent application in which David Schmidt falsely claims, in a signed official filing with the U.S. government, to be "Dr. David Schmidt." I'm sure Dina would be happy to forward a copy to anyone who wants it.

I still have to scratch my head and wonder how anyone can fork over his money for a product that sounds WAY too good to be true, to a documented liar who admitted in writing that his product should be completely worthless according to "normal expectations."
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 07:07 PM
Joel,

I've been posting here (way, way too much) since 2005 and I am still amazed that people buy into this dream.

However, the very fact that there are people just like Dina enables David Schmidt (with his two year business degree) to continue his scam.

Dina, like many others who have posted previously, may actually believe the patches work. She is, of course, a little out of date with the radio transmitter analogy, as the new website talks about the heating and cooling cycle that causes cells to make "energy".

Still, all in all, this has been an interesting few days of comment and will be the basis of many hours of conversation between Dina and her "clients" as she gives 100% attention to the task at hand.

It certainly would have been a lovely little money earner to include the patches in the conversation while doing hair and nails.

Dave
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 07:13 PM
Dina is so far out of her league here it's difficult to know where to begin in responding. Her explanation of the patches is obviously taken straight from the Lifewave website with the usual personal embelishments added on. The Lifewave story gets better every time it's told. What started out as a energy enhancer now is also a pain reliever, spinal disc treatment and a mental stimulant. I'm still trying to figure out how burning more fat cells can relieve pain and repair your back.

"Texas had NO chance in willing that game."
"Texas Tech won and Nebraska saw the worse lose [sic] in over 100 years."

So what happend next game? and the rest of the season. Did Texas Tech win the NCAA championship?

"I have a 13 year old that trains with the Lifewave patches as will as plays football and runs track and is benching over 200 lbs. and leg presses 715 lbs 11 times."

How do you know the patches are responsible? Maybe he would be able to do this if he never heard of Lifewave. You have no way of knowing. Try giving him worn out patches and say they are new.

"The patches work through your energy field which is at least 4 inches away from you."

This is new. Before we were told this "energy field" was just above the surface. That's why the patches are applied to the skin. The Lifewave site shows them attached to both sides of the users chest or arms, not the shoes. When did it move 4" away? And how does an athlete in a sport without shoes use them?

In reality, there is no human "energy field". If there was, conventional science would have known about it long ago. Another example of pseudo-scientific drivel used by many different medical scams to lure unsuspecting customers. Make them think they are on the cutting edge of technology with made-up Star Trek jargon. Gets 'em every time.

"I can go on and on......"
So can I.
Joel
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 07:37 PM
Dina wrote,
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 07:47 PM
Because you are all ignorant, there are other patches that came out, not just the energy ones. New patch technology keep coming out and work amazingly. That's why there is pain management and before the IceWave, the energy was used for that as well but the Icewave was fomulated specifically for pain. As for Dave the "leader" of this zoo, you really know NOTHING about Lifewave or health in general. I'm sure that all of you are on some kind of prescription drugs and it's messing with your mind and body. To each his own I guess. You all keep up with your negativity and pill poppin' and we'll be talking to all of you again....BELIEVE ME. I'll have the last laugh for sure. Happy Holidays!
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 07:58 PM
Dina, honestly, it would be so much more helpful if you even bothered to read some of this thread before you post. Just pick a random 10 pages somewhere, or skim through 20-30 pages. You would soon realize that you haven't brought one new question or idea to this forum. It's just the same old, same old.

Oh, and as to James Randi's challenge. You seem to be ignoring it. He has, both on this forum on just the last page as well as in multiple places on his website, stated that he will test the patches. You make up the test yourself which is approved by them. Also, they are required by law to pay you the million $$'s if you pass the test, so that isn't really an excuse either.

I can tell you that if I truly believed in these patches, I would take Randi up on his challenge in a second.
Joe
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:02 PM
I don't know what I did to get rid of the cancer??!?!? I lost 38 pounds (I wasn't overweight, it led to me being extremely underweight), I ate at fast food restaurants for every meal when I was down in Memphis, TN at St. Jude hospital, and I snacked on Little Debbie snacks. If that made the cancer come out, then the entire U.S. would be cancer free, since that is our normal diet. Maybe I wouldn't have had cancer if David Schmidt "invented" the patches in 1994. But, of course, DS won't make that claim. His claims seem to go the other way; more cautious in nature [currently produces a heating and cooling effect].

Seems like Lifewave is a big $$$ Maker. And you got sucked into it.

Why doesn't Lifewave remove all its articles and videos and just offer the product for sale? According to you, no matter how much information you read or see, it doesn't matter unless you try the product.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:13 PM
Dina,

9th grade might have been a bit of a reach. You have sunk to the "my dad's bigger than your dad" in a few short days.

You have brought absolutely NOTHING to this forum. You have not given any NEW information that might cause rational people to look more closely at your product.

As a distributor, you are EQUALLY liable under the law. You have made the mistake of including your personal contact details. When this scam eventually comes to an end, you, along with a number of others, will be easy targets for the authorities to visit. We did try to warn you, but you chose to live your illusion.

So, continue to believe in a man who has no understanding of science let alone be a scientist. A man who doesn't even understand in which direction electricity flows. A man who has conned you in to thinking he has made the greatest scientific breakthrough in a century.

All very sad, but this is America, land of the free, and you, of course, have every right to act stupid if you want to.

Happy Holidays to you also.

Dave
george
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:17 PM
Joel seems to know a little about resonant energy, basically sending a signal from one atenna to another one. Now, does Joel understand energy meridians?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:17 PM
Dina,

Negativity, as you call it, is the first step in the scientific method. We call it skepticism. Someone claims the position of the stars and planets at your birth determines your personality, we say "Yeah? Prove it". Someone says they can talk to the dead, we say "Yeah? Prove it." There's nothing wrong with that. If the idea cannot be proven under controlled conditions then maybe the idea is fundamentally wrong. If the idea is correct, then there should be no problem proving it and the person making the claim should not take the demand for proof personally.

You are the one who is ignorant here because you refuse to accept the possibility you may be wrong. What would it take to conince you Lifewave patches do not work? For me personally, if you can successfully win James Randi's challenge, I will be convinced that they do.

If all the anecdotal evidence you gave us in true, then there should no problem getting the scientific proof the rest of the world requires. So why not apply for the $1,000,000 prize? Be warned though, even the Lifewave inventor, David Schmidt doesn't have the guts to try. That should tell you something.
Joe
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:25 PM
As soon as something happens to you Dina that requires you to have medical attention, I'm sure you won't reject pain medications or other pills that would save your life. You shout at us about our pill popping, but when your personal life is on the line, I'm sure you would take the pills.

I can't imagine you or anyone else placing a Lifewave patch on an 8-inch gash or on a spot where surgery will be performed. You posted you are 100% pain-free after placing the patch on yourself, so shouldn't it work during surgery? That is cheaper than anesthesia, way cheaper.

My point with all these posts about the medical area is why don't hospitals utilize the patches. That is the question that interests me the most. Why isn't Lifewave a household name? Why doesn't the U.S. defenses use them in Iraq? David Schmidt should have been on Time as the person of the year by now. It would bankrupt many companies that market energy enhancers. DS would not only own a nice big house and office, but a small country with the amount of money he would make. It's been 4 years I think and he is still using MLM? It doesn't make much business sense.
george
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:33 PM
Captain Al, you seem to have an open mind. Do you think the airplnes caused the towers to fall the way they did or internal explosions and what not on Sept. 11. I am just seeing where your basic physic skills are at.
george
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 08:49 PM
Joe, there was once a father who had a son who helped him deliver 75lbs. of ice blocks to homes. One day his son slipped under the truck as it was moving and crushed his leg. Doctors wanted to amputate his leg, but the father said no and had his son rest in bed for thirty odd days until he could use crutches. You see the father; unlike the doctors, knew that the body heals itself. The kid's name was later better known as "Red Grange", one of the greatest football running backs of all time.
george
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 09:09 PM
edhuk, you seem to be someone who means well. Speaking of legal liability, are you familiar with Skulls and Bones? Basically those individuals are Knights and all the rest of us are classified as barbarians. What kind of rights do you think would a barbarian be entitled.
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 09:22 PM
I'd like some of you to respond to George. Hey George, I know the WTC towers were emploded. Now, what do we do about that?
Joe
Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 09:34 PM
A friend of mine at my church had cancer and she and her family decided not to get treatment. Sadly, she died 8 months later. We can keep going back and forth and it would be useless.

Even though you are against hospitals and the whole medical community, why wouldn't they use a marvelous product like Lifewave? It would multiply its bottom line and that fits into your thinking that they are all about money. They could buy 30 patches for cheap and then charge patients hundreds and hundreds. I would think that hospitals would jump all over this opportunity.
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 09:53 PM
When it comes to disease, a medical doc is not the one to go to. Lifewave and hospitals would go great. Doctors going on barely any sleep can wear the patches for more alertness and energy so they can be on their game. That would be awesome. Oh yeah, there are doctors that use them and that's exactly what they say the patches do for them. Do you know about alkaline ash and acid ash?
Dina
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 10:01 PM
Dave and whoever would like to answer,

Are you or have you tried the patches? Have you kept up on the new findings? Speaking of stupidity, I would like to know your thought on the 9/11 terrorist attacks. What is your take on the WTC twin towers and the WTC 7 tower? What do you think happened? Since you are very knowledgable. Anyone else?
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 10:30 PM
Dina, george, I am LifeWave user, and I know how
LifeWave works for me, but EDHUK is absolutely right
by repeating how you did not bring nothing new to this forum.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 11:19 PM
george & Dina,

About 9/11, there is a category for Conspiracy Theories in the new Museum Of Hoaxes forum. Please take them there.

george,

If you wish to know about my knowledge of basic physics I will tell you that a mixture of honey and mollasses (as stated in Lifewave's application for FDA approval in the bandaid category) does not make a radio transmitter. How do I know this? Like Joel, I also worked as an electronics engineer. We had radio transmitters and receivers in our products and I was responsible for designing the automated test systems for mass production. Sometimes our volumes exceeded 1,000,000 units per month. Allowing for varying demand throughout the year and the fact that I did this for a decade, my equipment probably tested 50,000,000 units. I don't know how this could have been done unless I knew at least a little bit about radios. In my humble opinion, this makes me qualified to judge Lifewave's product theory as utter bullshit.

However, and with all due respect to Joel's much greater training, it only takes an Electronics 101 level to debunk the Lifewave explanation that their patch "works like a cellphone". It really is that bad. And you wonder why I won't try them?

How about you george? What makes you qualified to tell us we are wrong?
George
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 | 11:59 PM
Conspiracy? Does anyone of you have any common sense whatsover? Obviously some of you think you know a bit about resonant and electrical energy and how it works. Lifewave uses meridians as channels. Do anyone of you know or understand meridians and how it applies to the human body? Does anyone understand human electromagnetic energy field? Polarization?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 12:35 AM
George,

I repeat, what qualifications do you have that would allow us to believe you know things about the human body that have eluded thousands of medical researchers for the past 200 years?
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 12:40 AM
Captain Al says "it only takes an Electronics 101 level to debunk the Lifewave explanation that their patch "works like a cellphone". "

You give them too much credit I think. It should be "anyone with common sense can debunk the lifewave explanation."

And seriously, George...umm...it'd be a lot easier if you stayed on topic or had a real point.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 12:41 AM
James Randi has not only honored us with his comments on this forum, he is still keeping the skeptical world entertained with news about Lifewave's follies. This week's commentary has more news:

http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-12/122106wise.html#i10
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 12:45 AM
Ok, who left the back door open?
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 12:53 AM
Razela,
You're probably right. I'm doing my best to be civil, but it's getting harder all the time.

I just had another thought: We keep having to tell Dina she has added nothing that hasn't been dealt with here before. She's not even the first hairdresser that's tried to defend a miracle product on this forum. Remember Karma Singh?
Dina
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 08:55 AM
Okay cult people. I've read your first 10-30 pages and guess what? Nothing. Clearly you all are closed minded Republicans that are black and white and speak about things they know nothing about. When you do not use or have never used something, you can not speak about it. I'm happy to know that everything you all do use, you know exactly how it works including the cell phone, computor, radio, t.v. And things you do not use, it's great to know you understand how that all works as well. When in actuality you know nothing about meridians, human electromagnetic fields, acupressure and acupucture and I'm sure you'll be telling the Chinese that THAT doesn't work either. Something they've been doing for thousands of years and also use the Lifewave patches in that form to get the result they know.

It is plain to me that I am dealing with morons and now this cult has something to talk about since I started on this ridiculuos forum. I will not be on again. Got here by mistake and was reaffirmed how much work this country needs on ALL levels. Cpt Al, don't get sucked in.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 11:31 AM
"Okay cult people."

Wow, I've never been in a cult before.

"Clearly you all are closed minded Republicans"

Actually, I'm a liberal Independent. As of a few weeks ago I was democrat but decided to switch just in case I ever wanted to vote in another parties primaries. You're clearly wrong here.

"When you do not use or have never used something, you can not speak about it"

Well, that's just a stupid comment really. That's like saying that you can't tell someone it's bad for them to smoke crack cocaine since you haven't done it yourself.

"I'm happy to know that everything you all do use, you know exactly how it works including the cell phone, computor, radio, t.v."

Well, it's not important knowing how it works, just that there's a pretty good consensus among experts that they follow the laws of physics. They can also be proven to work in a double blind study, though they aren't exactly the type of products that would need a study like that to prove they work.

"in actuality you know nothing about meridians, human electromagnetic fields, acupressure and acupucture and I'm sure you'll be telling the Chinese that THAT doesn't work either."

Ok, that actually does describe me pretty accurately. Well done.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 11:33 AM
Dina said:
"Cpt Al, don't get sucked in."

I'm afraid it's already happened to you. Yes most of us do say acupuncture doesn't work. The fact that it has been used for thounsands of years doesn't mean a thing. If you would bother to read a few more pages of this thread you would see this has been dealt with as well.

The ancient Chinese didn't believe in cutting open bodies for research and never learned the functions of the major organs. Even if they did, tell me how they could have detected a human energy field without electronic instruments? They also knew nothing about germ theory, a major cause of disease.

One thing the Chinese did believe was their superstitions, even to this day. The government in Hong Kong makes a lot of money selling licence plates with "lucky numbers" on them. Then there's fung shui, another ridiculous notion. Acupunture and meridians were nothing more than their version of the snake oil salesman. It was a substitute for things they didn't understand. If traditional Chinese medicine is so good, why is life expectancy in China not the highest in the world? I also covered that topic in a previous post. I seem to remember the WHO had them in about 80th place.

Sorry, there is no human energy field or acupressure points. To believe so would fly in the face of hundreds of thousands of scientists and researchers over the past few centuries. You've no doubt heard of them. They developed a system known as the scientific method. With it they were able to cure diseases, build jet aircraft, land men on the moon, and send space probes out of the solar system. They also designed the computer in front of you. If the scientific method were flawed, none of these things would have been possible. And since scientists using these techniques have found NO evidence of a human energy field or acupressure points, we can probably say they don't exist. So if you are willing to accept that your computer works and you are willing to step in a Boeing 747 and fly off on a vacation to the other side of the planet while being served hot meals and watching first run movies, you can't believe there is such a thing as the human energy field.

If you have some evidence that shows otherwise, please provide it.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 | 11:38 AM
Captain Al.

"About 9/11, there is a category for Conspiracy Theories in the new Museum Of Hoaxes forum. Please take them there."

Ditto

Cheers,
Dave
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