The Museum of Hoaxes
LifeWave Energy Patches
Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
 Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
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Joel
Member
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 | 11:24 AM
Lifewavers like to talk about the money back guarantee. Now if LifeWave would give full refunds to all dissatisfied distributors, that would make me take notice.

Oh, wait, they already said to their distributors: "NO REFUNDS! ----- NO REFUNDS! ----- NO REFUNDS!"

http://www.pcnametagmeetings.com/ID1876-162611-91677437/
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 | 04:32 AM
With nothing new being posted, I figured it was time to do some follow-up.

Remember Nanoman telling us that Lifewave MUST be a legitimate product because Dr. Beverly Rubik, professor of biophysics at U.C. Berkeley (who turned out not to be a professor of biophysics at U.C. Berkeley after all) was staking her reputation and all of her great credentials on it? And remember him posting on page 110 of this forum (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/item.name/P2180/ )some of those impressive credentials along with a link to the website of the Institute for Frontier Science, which apparently is an institute of one person (Dr. Rubik) which lives in a P.O. Box in Oakland and had a website that was almost exclusively devoted to promoting her book? That URL was http://www.ifs.cnc.net, which wasn
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 | 04:35 AM
I noticed that in my last post, the link to http://www.ifs.cnc.net doesn't link to the correct place. You may need to type that URL into your browser to see what's (not) at that URL today.
UGB
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 | 02:36 AM
Hi All

I was just researching someone and came across this blog I would like to try and help you out a little bit. You all could go on and on about this forever but the best way to figure it out is go to this site http://www.lifewave.com/ugbenergy
click on watch this movie and then when that comes up go to get free samples and have some sent out to you. When you get them try and read the directions and then try and place them on properly ( which for a few of you I can tell is going to be hard but I think most of you guys can figure it out) make sure you are hydrated and at that point you should have all the prof you need.
Good luck and may God bless you all in your journey for the truth.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 | 03:39 AM
My idea of a free sample is one I don't have to provide a credit card number to get. I'll even fork over the $4.95 shipping and handling, despite the fact that actual shipping costs for the patches shouldn't come anywhere near that. Tell me where to send a check, and I'll throw mis-givings to the wind and give it a try.

Actually, I might have #4R (12 yr. old boy) try them. He hates having to run every morning in PE, and on Thursdays he has to run a mile. Even though he's in pretty good condition, close to excellent condition probably, he complains about not having enough energy to run the full mile. (Ok, he's 12, he complains about everything anyway...) He'd make a great test subject, although he is aware of this forum and LifeWave. I think he's open-minded enough to provide an honest evaluation...
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 | 02:07 PM
UGB said:

"When you get them try and read the directions and then try and place them on properly ( which for a few of you I can tell is going to be hard but I think most of you guys can figure it out) make sure you are hydrated and at that point you should have all the prof you need."

Yup, when you're trying to sell something, the absolutely BEST way is to insult the potential customer. You're a hell of a spokesman for your stupid little plastic patches, UGB. I'm sure everyone here will RUN to your website to order some LifeWave now.

By the way, I'd be more than happy to make a suggestion as to where YOU can stick them.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 | 03:59 PM
"I was just researching someone and came across this blog..."

Pitty the research didn't include READING this forum thread!

This thread gives, in great detail, everything a person needs to see that LifeWave LLC is a hoax, a scam, a pyramid sales company.

Keep in mind this single point. By promoting the company, by being a distributor for example, you take equal liablility in the eyes of the law when the company folds.

Are you really prepared for the consequences of promoting this scam?

Think about it.

Cheers,
Dave
UGB
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 | 01:10 AM
Hi Guys

Sorry if I offenend any of you by saying I didn't think you could figure out how to use the patches. That was just a opinion.

Crancky I tryied them on my Ass they worked good.

I am sorry but I didn't go threw all of your pages could one of please point out to me which page you guys posted your reasearch work on this patch thing.
I am sure all of my personal results have just been because of the plcebo effect but I would like to use your reasearch work to prove it's just a placebo.

Thanks Guys be blessed and keep on protecting the people.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 | 01:54 AM
UGB, If you are " Sure " that LifeWave is 100% placebo, measured by your personal results and knowledge, why are you asking for any kind of research, from people who are not manufacturing patches you love ?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 | 04:30 AM
Some days I am just SO confused...

However. UGB, how 'bout a mailing address so I can take advantage of the free trial?
ThermoMagnetic_Man
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 | 06:03 AM
UGB:

"I am sorry but I didn't go threw all of your pages could one of please point out to me which page you guys posted your reasearch work on this patch thing."

On March 22, 2006, I posted the directions for pulling up "Dr." David Schmidt's written admission in a filing with the United States government that his patches shouldn't have any effect on people according to any known science. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/P2280/ Why don't you start by carefully reading and considering that document, then tell us what you think. If it seems like you have an open mind, then I'll point out pages on this thread where you can find additional salient information.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 | 12:42 PM
UGB

"I would like to use your research work to prove it's just a placebo."

In the real world, people make claims about products all the time. It is the job of the person(s) making the claim(s) to prove it.

If I tell you that I have a piece of white cloth that is ten inches square and when placed over the eyes causes headaches to disappear in one hour, it is not your job to come up with studies that prove I'm trying to scam you with my worthless piece of cloth. It's my job to prove, using accepted methods, that the cloth does as claimed.

It's a simple concept, but one you appear to be struggling with.

Regards,
Dave
EDH UK
UGB
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 01:59 AM
Yup I am asking because I thought you guys were actully doing some research instead of just giving you personal opinion on the matter.

So are you guys telling me you have done no reaserch at all? and you have never tryied the patches? and you just don't believe the Lifewave studies out there?

If that's the case and I hope that it's not then you guys are just all passin wind and we all know that leave a bad smell.

HCMOMOF4
I am not sure what your asking for all you need to do is go to the site http://www.lifewave.com/ugbenergy and go to watch the movie and click on free sample and yes it is $4.95 for shipping and handling any where in the world.

Thermo I could not find what you were refering to on that link? But I think the key term you have there is known science. We are living in a world that is changing fast not all is known.
And if you believe all your doctor tells you then???

Ed I was looking at the beginning of this and if you if you and Stupieder from Dupiter have no work behind your words and have never tryied them then you are either being paid to waste your time here or have no life or just like talking trash. If you just like talking trash just let me know and I will stop in so we can talk a little trash from time to time it's all good it used to be one of my favorite things to do. And by looking at some of your postings you talk some good trash so it should be fun when I have sometime to waste.

Be bless guys

UGB
PS don't think I can make it in for a few days but I will see ya soon.

PSS Please help me with my placeo effect because I have had over 100 positive plcebo effects at over a 90% success rate. If I can keep that up maybe ED and me can go into business with that white cloth thing your talking about. Or the dime to the forhead trick one of you guys were taking about a year ago. LOLOLO you guys are good.
Yupiter from Jewpiter
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 02:32 AM
UGB,
I am LifeWave customer since November 2005, and still using EE, cause don't need Icewave or Restquiet.
You are insulting me and other people on this forum with no reason.
This people here are absolutely right when giving their opinion on David Schmidt, and lack of studies and research results that give proof of
" Athletic training Aid " such as LifeWave patches really producing effect as advertised.
And ball is in David's field to prove His claims.

And for You, call members of your family stupid, not me, you UGly Bitch.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 03:08 AM
"I am not sure what your asking for all you need to do is go to the site http://www.lifewave.com/ugbenergy and go to watch the movie and click on free sample and yes it is $4.95 for shipping and handling any where in the world.

I've watched the movie. What I am asking is for an address, so that I can mail a check or money order for the shipping and handling charges, because I'm not comfortable using a credit card for them.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 03:09 AM
Peter,
I think maybe you aren't meaning to seem as angry as this sounds:

And for You, call members of your family stupid, not me, you UGly Bitch.

You've become a bit of a pleasant surprise lately, but it's not really good manners to exchange insults with people, even when they deserve it!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 02:47 PM
UGB said:

"So are you guys telling me you have done no reaserch at all? and you have never tryied the patches? and you just don't believe the Lifewave studies out there?"

UGB, I'll tell you what I've told other people on this board who have made similar statements. I can fly. Yes, I can fly, just like a bird, without any supporting wires or any external power source of any kind. I just leap into the air and fly.

I DARE you to prove that I can't fly under my own power. Have you done any research that proves that *I* cannot fly? If not, you cannot say that I can't, right?

No, you can't insist that I prove my claim; after all, you LifeWave guys keep saying that the burden of proof is on those who say that your product violates the known laws of physics, not on you. I will not submit to valid scientific testing of any kind. My claim is enough "proof," right?

So, please prove that I cannot fly under my own power.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 03:13 PM
hehehehehe...

"So, please prove that I cannot fly under my own power."

CMG, good thing you didn't make me this offer... I'd push you out a window...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 05:12 PM
To ALL the regulars out there.

We've seen some incredibly stupid posts over the past many months, but it appears someone has been able to kick it up a notch.

God help us all!

Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 07:54 PM
EDHUK, I hope you aren't referring to my post, I was just kidding...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 08:23 PM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.

We know each other better than that!

I am referring, of course, to the latest contestant in the "Lifewave is real, it really is" competition.

After all this time we still get the "I came across this forum..." ploy.

Can there be anyone out there who doesn't know that David Schmidt is a con man of very little value in the human decency stakes.

He is obviously very clever, having managed to obtain large sums of money through deception and downright lies.

But, heck, this is the USA, land of the free!

Why shouldn't he carry on making money from his elaborate fraud?

Anybody?

Cheers,
Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 | 09:44 PM
Throughout the movie on UGB's site, a disclaimer was shown: "These are their personal testimonials. Your results may vary. LifeWave, LLC makes no health claims." So they've got their asses covered...

Near the beginning of the movie, there is a screen with the graphics: The FDA has registered LifeWave Energy Patches as a Class 1 Medical Device. The conversation that we hear while this is shown is a discussion of the patches being "software" for the body, but no mention of what a Class 1 Medical Device is...

One of the testimonials is a young boy, about 10 years old, with the graphic stating: "He ran a mile 2 minutes faster than his previous best." and he says that not only did he run faster, he also didn't sweat as much. By the age of 10, it seems like a stretch to think his "previous best" has much history behind it...

The first time #4 had to run a mile in PE this year, he did it a couple minutes faster than he had in the last school year.

He wasn't wearing LW patches, and maybe never will, since so far UGB seems to be unable to understand what I mean by "street address"...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 | 06:10 PM
Now that Alex has fixed the glitch, and this thread is back online, I look forward to the massive influx of information from the Las Vegas 2006 Conference.

All those wonderful presentations on the wide variety of products, backed up by amazing studies. Everything any non believer could need to finally make them a believer and start contributing to David Schmidt's high roller lifestyle.

Right!

Dave
EDH UK
Nanoman
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 | 10:57 PM
Happy Birthday Lifewave!! Two years and still going strong. Here's to another great year.
Joel
Member
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 | 03:00 PM
Welcome back, Nanoman.

You're obvious one of the LifeWave insiders. What happened to the study that Dr. Beverly Rubik, not a professor of biophysics at UC Berkeley as represented by Lifewave, was supposedly doing on Lifewave patches that, according to Waver, was going to be published in a peer reviewed journal. (Waver wrote on August 15, 2005 on page 20 of this forum,
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 | 09:30 PM
Yay! I honestly really missed this thread during its absence. Well back to work then...
Joel
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 | 03:38 PM
Wow, the Lifewavers keep urging people to just try Lifewave patches, and hcmomof4 is willing to try them AND pay for shipping as offered on the Lifewave web site, but not cough up a credit card number (see her post at the top of this page), and lo and behold not a single LifeWaver out there is willing to take a few minutes to post an address here and then send her a box of patches.

I guess if the LifeWavers can't get their grubby hands on a credit card number, they don't want people trying the patches. What a joke.

Hey David Schmidt, isn't ANYBODY in your scam company willing to take hcmomof4 up on her offer?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 | 10:33 PM
Yeah, it sort of makes me wonder if I can only get a free sample if they're able to put me on an auto-ship program. Y'know, strictly for my convenience...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 | 11:12 AM
As the LifeWave money making machine rolls on, it's fascinating to reflect on the leader and his band of merry men and women involved in this scam.

I wonder if any of the "staff" actually believe David Schmidt's sales pitch, or do they just believe they can make some good money before this scam is ended?
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 | 11:41 AM
"...or do they just believe they can make some good money before this scam is ended?"

I thought that was DS's sales pitch...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 | 11:50 AM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
Member

"I thought that was DS's sales pitch..."

Do you believe all of the staff at LifeWave are just money grabbing con men/women?

Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 | 12:36 PM
Well, pretty much all the LW web sites I checked offered info on distributing...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 | 08:51 AM
Lifewave distributor website:

"(Don
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 | 08:59 AM
Well, what do you know!

David Schmidt has been busy changing some wording.

"Our Energy Enhancer patches are constructed from organic materials and that when placing the patches on the body produce both a heating and cooling effect. Clinical studies have shown that this effect increases energy and the burning of fat."

When did we change over from the nanotechnology "transmitters" that "talk" to your body to tell it to "make more energy" to "heating and cooling effect that makes you burn fat"?

Is this an attempt to move away from the insane to purely the ridiculous?

http://www.lifewave.com/energyenhancer.asp

Dave
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 | 11:31 PM
I like how he adds that they're "organic." I didn't realize that nanotechnology could even be organic.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 | 12:33 AM
When I was checking out some of the LW distributor sites, I noticed on one of them a video about how some of the Indiana Pacers had been wearing the patches and beat the Lakers.

So far this year, the Pacers are 5 and 5. You'd think they'd wear their patches every game...
Nanoman
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 | 07:42 PM
hcmomof4
please send me an email with your address and I will have the free samples sent to you. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Please verify if you want the energy, pain, or sleep patches.

I recommend the Icewave patches if you have any chronic pain in body. I suggest energy patches if you are a physically active person who is somewhat in tune with their body. I suggest the restquiet patches if you have trouble staying asleep at night.

Once you receive them please notify me and I will contact you with some specific usage instructions.

Thank you for your openness to actually try the product, unlike many others who are too closeminded to actually try them out for themselves.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 | 10:35 PM
"I recommend the Icewave patches if you have any chronic pain in body. I suggest the restquiet patches if you have trouble staying asleep at night."

Nanoman, I'm 47 years old. I have both those problems...(hehehe)

However, it's the energy patches I'm primarily interested in, not for myself, but for my almost 13 year old son. While I'm not going to be doing any sort of scientific testing, or anything that'll be even close to changing anyone's mind, I have every intention of being totally honest about the results.

My son has to run a mile every Thursday. He's in excellent physical condition, but he HATES running a mile. He does the first lap (1/4 mile) in just under a minute, but the last three take a total of about 9 minutes. He claims it's because he gets side-aches, pains in his legs, trouble breathing, whatever. (Not all at the same time. Those are just some of his excuses. I've tried pointing out he could freaking WALK 3/4 of a mile faster than that...)

We have a pretty good baseline for his mile, since this is his second year of doing it. I plan to patch him before he goes to school, and tell him to do everything as normally as possible. (He's a strange kid, so I'm not sure how "normal" he can be, but it's worth a try...)

In the interest of full disclosure, he does know about the patches, and is easily as skeptical as I am about them. But he's also 13, and really would like to still believe in miracles, so it should balance out ok.

E-mail will be sent shortly. Thank you.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 | 10:41 PM
"Thank you for your openness to actually try the product, unlike many others who are too closeminded to actually try them out for themselves.

Thank you for being willing to do something more than just throw rocks back at us hard-heads...
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 | 12:04 PM
Round and round we go.

Stories of people trying the patches with great results and people trying the patches with absolutely no results are to be found in this thread.

The point that has been made MANY times is that these stories are WORTHLESS as a means of determining if David Schmidt is conning people out of their money.

If I tell you that I also took someone up on an offer to try all of the products from LifeWave and, after a fair trial, found no difference with the patches, does that mean I have PROVED the patches don't work?

Of course not! My "trial" would be just as useless as all the annectdotes singing the praises of the product.

Serious research is the only way to examine the claims made by David Schmidt.

LifeWavers will state that there is ample evidence already available in many conducted studies.

NONE of these so called "studies" stands up to serious scrutiny. They are the typical "study" put forward by any one of the many scams currently running.

There can NEVER be any serious evidence regarding the LifeWave patches for the SIMPLEST of reasons...

The patches are a scam.

Dave
EDH UK
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 | 01:23 PM
No, I wouldn't expect my results to change anyone's mind, especially to the positive. Not even mine. But if I approach this honestly, and do make a sincere effort to give the patches an opportunity to work, and they don't, maybe it will show people who stop by here looking for arguments in either direction an argument against those who would be inclined to say, "How do you know they don't work if you don't try them?"

Besides, frankly, I'm curious. Not about whether or not the patches work, but whether putting the patches on my son will work. Since it's unfair to request a free sample, and then not admit if they positively affected him, if they do, I'll say so. I can't see myself providing a glowing testimonial for them, (without some careful editing on LW's part) but if the act of applying the patches to him causes him to run the mile faster, I'll say so.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 | 07:40 AM
"How do you know they don't work if you don't try them?"

That's always been the line from LifeWavers as a method to get more sales.

My point is How do you know they work if you try them?

You try them with your son. He runs faster, longer than usual. How do you know it's the patches?

Of course, you don't. If experimentation was that simple we would be flooded with products, both "genuine" and plain scams.

The interaction between you and your son during this "test" of the patches is complex. Even if your son believes the patches won't work, it will not "prove" they did if his time is improved.

Science is just not that simple.

It doesn't matter how many people give the patches a "fair try". Conclusive results can only be achieved by correctly conducted trials.

To date, there have been NONE, not counting the carefully arranged fake supporting evidence to back up this ever lengthening scam.

So, in the spirit of fairness, and that's all it's ever been about, if your son doesn't do better with the patches it will still be meaningless to me.

Happy thanksgiving,

Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 | 12:34 PM
"He runs faster, longer than usual. How do you know it's the patches?"

Dave, I can pretty much guarantee if he runs faster, it's because he's wearing the patches. Not necessarily the contents of the patches, or how they're applied, or how they "talk to his body" (they're fighting an uphill battle there, just trying to get a word in edgewise...) but because they are on him.

"The interaction between you and your son during this "test" of the patches is complex. Even if your son believes the patches won't work, it will not "prove" they did if his time is improved."

Well, sorta complex. It took until this morning for me to work up the nerve to tell him about my "test". He thought I'd lost my mind. But then he did admit that it'd be great if he did run faster while wearing the patches. Please note: I did not say "It'd be great if the patches made him run faster."

"So, in the spirit of fairness, and that's all it's ever been about, if your son doesn't do better with the patches it will still be meaningless to me."

That's ok. I'm not trying to convince you they don't work. I don't really even have a lot of hope of convincing someone who claims to come here to read and learn more about the patches, since there hasn't been a flood of people who appear to really be wanting input. But hope springs eternal...

Besides, we're only looking for the desired affect once. If he hits the target time one time in the school year, he needn't hit it again.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 | 04:35 PM
"Besides, we're only looking for the desired affect once. If he hits the target time one time in the school year, he needn't hit it again."

This is where you could make it interesting.

When you do the run, tell your son you will be appling the patches to the shoulders, just out of sight around the back. Apply two round band aids.

See what happens. If he beats his best time and hits the target time, it will be food for thought.

Cheers,
Dave
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 | 04:59 PM
Hmmmm....interesting....

I'm really thinking that any positive results of any method I use is mostly going to just get me even more interested in the placebo effect, but what you're suggesting almost sounds like me having some control over it, provided it works.

Mind control over my son.....hmmmmmmm......
nanoman
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 | 11:47 PM
hcmomof4

Thank you again for your willingness to try the patches. I was just ready to send them to you and then EDDY f$%#ed things up with his big mouth. It looks like if I am going to provide you with free patches then of course they will only be a placebo. Round and round we go. When will you guys ever approach this new technology with an open mind??? You will have to do some convincing now for me to send them to you. Nothing against you but everything against eddy.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 01:05 AM
Nanoman. I have no desire to convince you. I made it quite clear that I have no reason to believe the patches work as advertised. I am merely willing to report honestly on what happens. If you aren't willing to accept that they might not work, your mind is as closed as any that you are pointing you finger at.

My offer stands. I will post the results of the experiment, which, as I have said before, is hardly scientific in scope, here. If nothing else, it ought to liven up the debate.

Blaming Dave hardly seems fair. Why would his opinion affect my experiment? Believe me, I'm quite opinionated all on my own... What it starts to look like (and I'm not saying this is the case, but it just colors it that way) is that you aren't confident enough in the product to let it stand up against a cynical mind.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 01:28 AM
hcmomof4,

I was going to suggest you and your son use the free patches to win the $1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge. If no one from Lifewave has enough confidence in the product to apply for it you may as well do it. I'm sure you will have the full cooperation of your son. For the record, you don't have to endorse the product to use it for the Challenge. It's been done before. If nothing else, you will prove once and for all if there is anything to these "miracle" patches.

Now we find out nanoman is backing out on his offer to give you free samples using EDHUK's statement as an excuse even though he has known EDHUK's opinion on them for quite some time now. It's my opinion he never had any intention of giving them to you.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 02:03 AM
To win the MDC, wouldn't I have to be able to prove the patches work the way they're advertised they do?

My son probably wouldn't cooperate with that. He'd be too freaked out at the possibility that the patches really were talking to his body...

I am really sorry if I somehow mislead Nanoman into thinking I was willing to convert. I thought I was making it clear that I was only willing to be honest about the results.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 09:56 AM
*sigh* When will nanoman learn
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 10:29 AM
WOW

To think that after all this time nanoman ascribes such power to me! I am humbled.

Joking aside. As Captain Al has mentioned, nanoman has been on this thread long enough to know my views on his "magic" product intimately.

When it's all said and done, no amount of "testimonials" will make one jot of difference in the search for the TRUTH about the LifeWave products.

As we approach the year 2007, it's not hard to find a wealth of products on the internet, and some on TV that clearly defy scientific reasoning or testing. Yet they continue to be sold.

America, Land of the Free. Free to rip you off for quite some time before getting shut down.

So, nanoman will continue to push the notion that he is part of a "new science", albeit changing in its description as we go along and depending on which version of the company website is currently playing on the net.

Free enterprise at its best and its worst.

Dave
EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 10:30 AM
PS

Who is EDDY?

Dave.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 | 10:42 AM
"To think that after all this time nanoman ascribes such power to me! I am humbled."

Yeah, but I'm kind of insulted. Apparently I'm not qualified to make my own decisions.

I'd even written a lovely (two or three sentence) email, thanking him. If I could get it back, I'd take it and shove....never mind...

But to rescind the offer, and to say that it has nothing to do with me, sure makes it sound like it wasn't my opinion he was caring about.
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
 Member
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 | 04:39 AM
hcmomof4,

Maybe we can convince one of the thousands of other distributors to give you some free samples. There must be one who is knows the value of honest business practices.
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 | 02:02 PM
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.

"But to rescind the offer, and to say that it has nothing to do with me, sure makes it sound like it wasn't my opinion he was caring about."

I suggest that nanoman is not interested in anyone's opinion, unless it agrees with his/hers.

There's absolutely no mystery in solid research to back up claims for any product. You either have it or you don't.

LifeWave has NO solid verifiable evidence that they have a product worth spending any money on.

They work in LaLa land hoping to snag people who believe in fringe ideas easily.

Let's face it, if nanoman did value our opinion that would be somewhat of an insult wouldn't it?

I prefer not to be dragged down to nanoman's dubious level.

Cheers,
Dave
Greg Simpson
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 | 05:51 PM
Hi there, I've really enjoyed reading these posts for the last 10 months.I'll be totally honest and admit that I was looking for a healthy way to make money on the net so I jumped on Lifewave and was sucked in by what appeared to be a professional website and my greed to make lots of money. I had a plan to stockpile the patches for a few months and then send out free samples to all the athletic clubs,football and cycle clubs etc. I used a few patches, (when I remembered to put them on) and convinced myself that I felt much fitter after a shift supporting disabled people.(i.e. Lifting showering, going flat out). Then I came across this site and realized within minutes that there was a convincing arguement that the patches were probably a scam, not supported by scientific research and the greed factor really backed up the placebo effect. In the mean time I had sent
the patches (one months supply) to my brother who is a competitive runner. After I pulled out of Lifewave, (wasted about AU$500), my brother rang me excited that he had knocked 26 seconds off a measured distance he had been running for 10 months. I explained my misgivings and he agreed it was probably the placebo effect and since then he hasn't been able to duplicate the feat. How strong is that placebo effect ?!!?!!!
Keep up the good work, as an aussie I hate seeing scumbags making money out of crap. I look forward to the day that I read that proper scientific research has been done on this so-called technology. If they work I'll eat the other 60 patches I have under my bed.
Best regards,
Greg
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 | 06:48 PM
Greg, wanting to make easy money is no sin. Wanting to cheat other people out of their money is. (Metaphorically speaking of course...) Thank you for actually reading about both sides of the argument, and coming to what is the most sensible conclusion. If LifeWave would ever get around to doing legitimate tests, and the results were as miraculous as they claim, I'd cheerfully change my position. I'm not holding my breath.

However, I really would like to conduct my own (very unscientific) experiment on my son. If you read my last several posts, they should explain what I want to attempt, and why. (That is, I hope I've made it clear.) I would happily send you a check to cover the shipping charges for a couple patches, but I'm totally unwilling to provide a credit card number to someone who wants it so bad that it's the only payment method they'll accept.

If you're agreeable to getting rid of a few of your extra patches so that I can use my son as a guinea pig (once again, metaphorically speaking...) you can send me an e-mail to let me know how much you would need and an address to send it to.

Hmmmm...it's just occurred to me that I know absolutely nothing about money and other countries. Is it even possible for me to send you a check, and for you to cash it? Maybe a money order?

Let me know if you are interested.

No
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 | 07:26 PM
Greg,

As you have probably noticed, I have posted on this subject WAY too many times. I've often asked myself (and my wife certainly has) why I keep on posting after all this time?

Let's rule out the LifeWave claim that I'm being paid by commercial companies to ruin the Lily White reputation of the LifeWave company. I wish I was being paid...we can all do with extra pocket money as you stated.

I think the real reason is that following my efforts to help my friends see the light about this scam, I continue to feel that I'll be damned if I am to give up and let this excuse of a human being David Schmidt rub people's faces in the dirt and take their money.

Even though I attribute importance to this scam, because of my initial personal connection via friends, it's really all small change in the big picture.

You don't see this company being talked about every week on science programs or even news magazine programs. If it was all real it would be everywhere including outer space.

You can be sure NASA and the military would be having high level meetings with David almost daily as they worked in cooperation on new uses for his "invention".

Instead, we have DS holding his 2006 Conference in Las Vegas to try to hook a few more suckers.

And the masses of exciting material about the conference? None. Last year, this forum was flooded with jolly LifeWavers falling over each other with outrageous claims for the products.

This year, the energy patches now appear to work by heating and cooling your body cells to encourage energy production. What happened to the cell phone transmiting qualities of the patches from 2005 and early 2006?

Ludicrous seems a good word to describe this whole debacle...yet people are obviously caught up in the hype, just as you were.

I admire you stepping up to the plate to admit you have been had by a wealthy American businesman, and no bodily fluids were exchanged!

Good on you mate,

Dave
EDH UK
EDHUK
Member
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 | 07:42 PM
"How strong is that placebo effect ?!!?!!!"

Stunningly strong Greg, that's why this scam has been so effective at convincing a lot of people that any improvements felt MUST be from using the patches.

Research has now shown us (and I know I've mentioned this before) that the placebo effect can be shown to bring about demonstrable changes in the human body. Actual physical changes at the cellular level revealed by the use of PET scan technology.

The 2005 research involving pain control was mind boggling!

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7892

You will notice that this research is real, verifiable, repeatable, and discussed at great length on the internet and in scientific settings worldwide.

David Schmidt's version of "studies" includes a man who worked in a gymnasium in a University (who was also a distributor of the patches) making silly claims about the effects of the patches. This being followed by the said University issuing a cease and desist order then, and again recently when DS once again implied that a "study" was conducted at the same University.

This thread has exposed the list of "studies" as being laughable at best as well as illegal in some cases.

Why won't this bother DS? Not everyone carries out due diligence before they get involved. As you stated, you were..."sucked in by what appeared to be a professional website and my greed to make lots of money."

It's that easy. We may ask how people can get away with this type of thing? I guess some do, but a lot don't. I still quietly wait to read that Scmidt has finally been exposed.

Cheers,
Dave
Greg Simpson
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 | 07:44 PM
hemomof4
in So.Cal
Hi, Yep, I'm happy to send you a month of patches. It will be interesting to see the results that your son produces,and I know where you're coming from with teenagers, my 3 boys just laughed at me when I asked them to try them out! They ride mountain bikes so it would have been a reasonable test but they thought it was all crap without even reading this site!! I'll check out whether I can send the patches C.O.D postage. If I can't and the postage is cheap, I'll send them anyway. I'll get back to you soon after I've made some enquiries and get your address.

Enjoy your Sunday....it's Monday here and I've gotta go to work.
All the best,
Greg
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