MOH Forum: LifeWave Energy Patches

LifeWave Energy Patches

Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005

Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".

http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm

We can finally have our super-soldiers now!

Category: Health; Replies: 5918

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EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 \| 07:46 PM http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/faculty/profiles/papers/lauren/placebo.pdf Greg, I wonder if your brother wanted the patches to work? Dave
Greg Simpson	Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 \| 07:52 PM EDHUK (Dave) Thanks for your reply Dave, I appreciate your diligence in trying to expose this scam !! The main lessons I have learnt from this experience is how strong the mind is in controlling the body and how gullible the average person really is. You've put forward completely convincing arguements and evidence and I hope you get to see this shyster exposed. Gotta fly, Best regards, Greg
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 \| 01:04 AM Thanks very much, Greg Simpson, for relating your experiences with LifeWave. It isn't easy to admit that you were scammed, I know. It's particularly good of you to tell the story here where it might be encountered by others who are tempted to get involved with LifeWave. With any luck, you've helped in the effort to prevent others from losing their money. Have you considered contacting your Attorney General (or the equivalent thereof) in Australia about LifeWave's business practices? It's possible that you could help get them banned from doing business in Oz.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 \| 06:17 PM Greg, Thanks for the kind words. I'm one of many people who have posted on this forum in an attempt to hold this scam up to the light. Hopefully, you can help spread the word about this scam in your neck of the woods. Cheers, Dave
EDHUK Member	Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 \| 05:09 PM LifeWave Energy Patches: "when placing the patches on the body produce both a heating and cooling effect. Clinical studies have shown that this effect increases energy and the burning of fat" IceWave Pain Patches: "...provide a cooling effect and soothing relief to inflamed and injured areas." So, it's all becoming a matter of hot and cold? The nanotechnology angle was much more interesting. By the way, have you ever looked at thermal imaging when the camera just looks at someone's back, or front, as they cool down naturally (ie without any fake patches). Looks just like the thermal images here. http://www.lifewave.com/icewave.asp Now there's a real surprise. Enjoy, Dave
James Randi	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 07:35 AM We remind readers that this organization [JREF]has offered LifeWave our US$1-million prize for any evidence -- other than anecdotal -- that their patches work. They have very studiously avoided responding to any such offer, which should be no surprise to anyone. We refer you to http://www.randi.org and our built-in search facility for the many references to this scam. James Randi Educational Foundation.
Joel Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 09:02 AM Thanks, James. As I have posted here before, based on my understanding from contracts class from law school, such an open and public offer is enforceable as a contract. That means that if Lifewave says, "We accept," and then offers sufficient proof as would be accepted by a court that Lifewave patches actually work, but JREF then reneges and refuses to pay, Lifewave would be entitled to a $1,000,000 judgment against JREF. See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Mermelstein , which describes the judgment that Mel Mermelstein obtained against a holocaust denial organization that offered a reward for proving that the holocaust actually happened. Mermelstein submitted such proof but the defendant refused to pay up. Mermelstein sued and won a stipulated judgment for breach of contract. JREF's offer would apply to anybody, not just Lifewave LLC. That means that if any of the thousands of Lifewave distributors out there thought they could prove that Lifewave patches actually work, they would also be entitled to the $1,000,000. That also applies to Dr. Lauren De Rock, or Dr. Homer Nazeran, or the football coaches, or any of the other people who have conducted the "research" that Lifewave points to as supporting their claims. (Disclaimer - This is not intended as legal advice. Consult your own lawyer). Yet nobody has ever stepped forward to begin the process. Maybe all of those people are paid so well that the $1,000,000 is of no interest to them, or the instant fame that they would gain. And maybe all of those distributors who say that they want to "help" people don't want to "help" any of the people who would only be persuaded that Lifewave patches are worth trying by such a payment/judgment.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 10:15 AM Nanoman, Any response to the last two posts? Before you answer you should realize that offering proof Lifewave patches do what they claim would be worth a lot more than $1,000,000, so don't tell us you're not interested. And PLEASE don't try to tell us the money doesn't exist. It does. See page 3, line 68: http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=650649443&yr=200412&rt=990&t9=A
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 10:52 AM As we approach page 167 on this thread about the LifeWave patches SCAM, one thing is abundantly clear. The merry-go-round will continue until stopped by legal means or until LifeWavers run out of newbees who are not familiar with the arguments against the notion that a self proclaimed "Dr." has invented a new technology. In the meantime, we will continue to read the same points over and over, as well documented in this thread. I wonder if this thread will be in the prosecutor's briefcase when the time comes? As to the challenge? Of course nobody will ever take it, for the simplest of all explanations: LifeWave LLC is a fraudulent company run by a fraudulent "Dr." Schmidt selling scam products that do NOTHING. Cheers, Dave EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 11:15 AM James Randi, It's good to see you back in the thick of things and health much improved. Cheers. http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-12/120106dumb.html#i4 The good Dr. Haliwanger explains..."You can talk into a little piece of plastic and electronics and hear someone else's voice on it
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 11:49 AM I understand why those in charge of lifewave and those sellers that know it's a scam product don't apply for the $1,000,000. However, I know that many of the distributors truly believe in the product. Why have none of them stepped forward?
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 12:46 PM Because it's in their best interest not to...
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 12:52 PM Razela, I've often wondered the same thing. I believe the answer is to do with how a person could demonstrate, in a simple effective way, that the product worked. LifeWave LLC, from the very start, has relied on reports of so called "studies" to confuse prospects into believing the patches have been "tested" and shown to be effective. In reality, there have been NO properly conducted studies (by any rational, widely accepted and repeatable methods, NOT ONE). If there had been EVEN ONE widely accepted study that demonstrated the patches performed as claimed, the person who had conducted the study would RUSH to the James Randi Foundation to set up a test (purely going through the motions, as the efficacy of the patches would already have been proved in the original, widely accepted, study). That person would be GUARANTEED to receive ONE MILLION DOLLARS. Simple...yet nobody has done this. We all know why. Have a great week-end! Dave EDH UK
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 06:37 PM Randi talked about LifeWave this week on his website's newsletter so I reminded him of this thread and told him that one of our regulars has said that L.W. is changing the story of how their silly little patches supposedly work. I'm glad to see he visited and mentioned the Million Dollar Challenge. It's amazing, isn't it, how so many of the Wavers seem to be independently wealthy to the point where they can't devote no more than an afternoon to take a million dollars for merely proving the claims they routinely make for LifeWave.
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 07:03 PM At some point, pages and pages (and a few more pages) ago, someone mentioned something about James Randi in rather awed tones. It lead me to check out the JREF forum, and eventually to start posting there. It's a great forum. Not that I have much forum "experience", but there is a very strong sense of community among the regulars there. More than just a sense really...I have seen many occasions where people actually do (as in provide a tangible service...) something to help fellow members. So while I was amused and impressed and curious of the "hero-worship" of James Randi way back then, when I saw he had posted here, it was.... well, it was really cool!
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 \| 08:14 PM hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Despite what LifeWavers have always said, perhaps this "little" forum thread reaches a wider audience than they would like it to! Dave
Yupiter from Jewpiter	Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 \| 01:36 AM Is there anyone else, besides David Schmidt and Federal government of US, that can shut down LifeWave LLC ? All I see are David's phat pockets and sweat on EDHUK's eyebrow. In the other hand Q-ray's got killer Xmas sales. This " little " forum thread still is, what it always was, a witch hunt.
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 \| 01:42 AM Hey Peter! You ok? You usually have a lot more to say than that...
Yupiter from Jewpiter	Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 \| 01:47 AM Hey stranger, didn't know you're a Lady. Yes, thanks for asking, hope you'll be just fine without free LifeWave samples aswell. Me, just doing exactly what I want, not asking from life something I can't get. I always say not more than I have to, if that.
EDHUK Member	Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 \| 10:55 AM "witch hunt" Ah, Peter. Still displaying your paranoid tendancies I see. Must go, I have sweat to wipe away! All the best Peter, Dave
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 \| 05:15 PM In this week's newsletter on his website: http://randi.org/jr/2006-12/120806landmark.html James Randi says: "I
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 \| 05:28 PM HOW TO SPOT QUACK HEALTH PRODUCTS
Joel Member	Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 \| 05:30 PM HOW TO SPOT QUACK HEALTH PRODUCTS - Part II Scientific smoke and mirrors. In the modern marketplace, even reassuring phrases such as
Dina Page	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 01:08 PM Unfortunately for unhealthy America, most of you do not understand yourselves, or are in tuned with their bodies to "get" the Lifewave patches. If you have not tried them, you do not have room to talk or comment one. Most Americans are unhealthy with their thinking, the foods they eat and the environment they associate with. Lifewave not only works, all of it, but is also one of the most superior products ever. They are too innovative for the majority. And until society can get out of their box, they too can experience a gift of a lifetime.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 01:40 PM Dina, I suggest you actually read the thread before posting. You don't even need to read all of it. Pick a random few pages and you'll be sure to see that all your comments have been made before...over and over again.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 01:41 PM Dina Page said: "Most Americans are unhealthy with their thinking, the foods they eat and the environment they associate with." Ah, so the health-improving product only works on people who are healhy. I'm reminded of the movie Mystery Men which had a guy who could become invisible, but only when no one was looking. Maybe they should rename them Catch-22 Patches.
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 02:17 PM Those patches are getting smarter and smarter. Now they only work on people who deserve them to work. Which I suppose is the same group of people who believe they will work. So never mind, I guess the patches aren't getting smarter, it's just that some people aren't getting any smarter either...
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 05:09 PM Dina, Can we interest you in a Harmony Chip? (If it's not too innovative for you that is.) http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/2084/
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 05:17 PM Dina Page, Having clicked on your link to your website, there appears to be a typo. It states you are 19 but clearly shows a picture of a woman in her late thirties. You have obviously fallen for the LifeWave "line" much as you have fallen for other "miracle" products in the past. Please do not confuse your gullibility with wisdom. Your post here, and the link in your name to your website, will probably haunt you. I don't imagine too many customers will be coming your way. As Razela suggested, you could have saved yourself a great deal of embarrasment by READING this forum before posting your utterly benign comment. Next. Dave EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 06:55 PM http://www.energy1st.net/?gclid=CNbGhfi0nYkCFQ86Ggodfm7CLw Our friend Don Davison strikes a merry pose worthy of the season. Obviously he hasn't read the legal stuff about distributors being equally liable when the **** hits the fan. Never mind, Don, at least you'll have plenty of energy to sustain you through the trial. Dave EDH UK
EDHUK Member	Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 \| 07:05 PM WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.lifewave.org.uk/ "Come and meet the man himself, David Schmidt, LifeWave
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 \| 01:35 AM hcmomof4 said: "Those patches are getting smarter and smarter. Now they only work on people who deserve them to work." Hey, you have to admit that really IS revolutionary technology!
Joel Member	Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 \| 07:24 PM I'm more impressed with those nifty Harmony Chips that either kill organisms (pool algea) or enhance their health based solely on the INTENT of the person using the chip. Now THAT's revolutionary.
Dina Page	Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 \| 03:13 PM The reason Sean Mays and others don't speak out about the patches in public sometimes is that Lifewave doesn't pay them for endorsing the patches. So if you're getting paid to endorse a thermal heating patch by a drug company and no money from a pain patch that works just as well if not better from Lifewave, then......
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 \| 04:10 PM Dina, who are you responding to?
EDHUK Member	Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 \| 05:15 PM Dina, I see your name now links to LifeWave. You appear to be quite knowledgable about the LifeWave products. I note in your website..."I am a certified So.Cap Hair extension specialist as well as a Brisa Gel nail specialist." Is selling a scam product similar to selling fake hair and nails? Your website implies that you have integrity in your business, and yet here you are ecouraging people to purchase worthless products from a man who claims to be a "Dr." (he is not) a scientist (he is not) an inventor of a brand new technology (he is not). You cannot back up any claims for the product other than to repeat the LifeWave mantra from their website. You have been had. Please don't compound your mistake by becoming a scam artist yourself (all distributors of LifeWave products are by definition scam artists). By the way, how old are you really? Dave, EDH UK
Dina	Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 \| 10:35 PM Again, you obviously have not used the Lifewave patches and are speaking with no back up. Unfortunately for you, you will go on through life and not do yourself the best thing you can by getting involved with helping people with their health with Lifewave. I suppose you are a person who intoxicates themselves with perscription drugs and thinks that's okay. I guess Tim Duncan, Suzanne Sommers, Saquille O'Neal, Jermaine O'Neal, Ronnie Coleman, Coach Richard Quick, Sagi Kalev, many LPGA athletes, NBA athletes, NCAA and NFL athletes are scam artists too. I also see your mathmatics is not too good either. And apparently your reading comprehension. How old did you think I was? You are real funny..........
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 03:17 AM Dina, you have obviously not bothered to read much of this thread. If you had, you would have seen that the points you made have been addressed and refuted, some several times. How do you feel about the fact that LifeWave's "inventor" has claimed to be a doctor and a scientist when in fact he is neither? Seriously, does that not make you question the whole endeavor? Ask yourself why he would need to lie about something like that. Although this point has been made MANY times here, I'll repeat it for you: the burden of proof is on YOU to demonstrate that LifeWave does what is claimed for it. Citing a list of names of people who may or may not have used (or even heard of) LifeWave proves exactly nothing. There's a million dollars waiting for you, or anyone else, who can demonstrate LifeWave's claims under controlled conditions. Why don't you apply for the money if you believe so strongly in your product?
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 03:32 AM "There's a million dollars waiting for you, or anyone else, who can demonstrate LifeWave's claims under controlled conditions. Why don't you apply for the money if you believe so strongly in your product?" I bet I can predict the answer, which would put me in better contention for the million than Dina...
Peter	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 04:01 AM Hi Dina, don't quite know how I got here - I think someone sent me a link and curiousity caused me to click it as I'd been on this site a couple of years ago reviewing 1st of April jokes from the BBC. I have one thing in common with almost everyone else in this forum - I've never even seen let alone used a LifeWave patch. There the commonality comes to an abrupt end: I do not consider that complete lack of knowledge makes me an expert in the functionality (or otherwise) of this product. Some of the negative comments expressed here are far fetched to say the least! The article in the Los Angeles times from the 11 Dec quoted in part seems, to me, a pretty accurate description of most pharmaceuticals. To say, further, that because a few may have reneged on money back guarantees, all such guarantees are worthless is chicanery of the highest sort. Seems to me that this "article" is most likely one of the many paid for by the pharmaceutical companies - those arch practitioners of deception and abuse of trust. Just who owns the Los Angeles Times - I mean, really owns it, not the front company? Any ideas where I could get one of these patches to try Dina? Warmest regards Pete.
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 04:27 AM I don't get it. We can sit here for weeks and weeks, waiting for someone who really wants to try out the LifeWave product. I mean, since we don't get our money from the western doctors and the big pharmaceutical companies unless we can talk someone out of trying the patches, we really need more traffic. And all of a sudden, two people just show up, out of the blue!
Joel Member	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 09:19 AM Dina, even if I accept at face value your implicit representation that Tim Duncan and Saquille O'Neal wear LifeWave patches (did you say that they continue to wear them regularly still, and without compensation from Lifewave, and how do you know that?), that seems to me a strong indication that those patches DON'T have any noticeable effect other than the placebo effect. Think about it - if an NBA player tried the patches and thought it helped him signficantly, he would instantly urge his teammates to try them too, and even if he didn't his teammates would instantly ask him what he's doing differently because his play is so much stronger than the day before. His teammates would try the patches. And if the patches really did produce the instant 20-40% increase in strength and stamina that "Dr." David Schmidt claimed for them in his advertising and in his patent application, then who could stop that team? With an instant 20-40% increase in strength and stamina for each player, couldn't you take ANY team in the NBA and instantly make that team completely unbeatable? So why haven't we seen that happen? The most sensible sounding explanation in my mind is that the patches have no effect. Along those same lines, as has been pointed out here before, the poster teams for Lifewave patches - the Moorehouse College and Troy University football teams - had among their worst seasons ever last year. Please explain why you think that happened. To the extent that testimonials count for anything, don't you think that the experience of the Moorehouse and Troy football teams indicates that the patches actually DECREASE strength and stamina?
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 11:35 AM 5 years ago there was a study with Moorehouse and Troy. The testing was VERY successful but because it was a new technology that people didn't understand, the coaches were getting so many phone calls a day. They didn't want to deal with it and having no backing YET with the NCAA. Last year the teams didn't even use the patches. This was before the NCAA finally said that they could not tell athletes not to use the patches because they found no drugs or nothing was going into the body, they could not be against the patches like so many other enhancers. This was way before Lifewave was able to get the World Anti Doping agency to write a letter about how Lifewave would not go on their list of drug substances so they gave Lifewave the clearing. Lifewave is also FDA approved and registered. With the new patches like the skin one, which is a glutathione patch that helps your body to produce it's own without anything entering your body. The testing was not placebo but blood test showing elevated levels of glutathione in the body. The patches work like a cell phone or a radio. The patches "dial up" sending a frequency because they act as antennas to tell the specific cells what they want to communicate. As in the energy patches they "dial" energy and send the communication to the fat cell to tell it to burn and this produces ATP and that is what gives us a natural energy. A normal function of the body only some people have a hard time doing it themselves that the patches help your system to do the functions they may be having a hard time in doing. But what team did for the entire team usage was the Nebraska/Texas Tech game about 3 years ago. If anyone remembers, Texas had NO chance in willing that game. All got patched up because Jay Saldi from the Dallas Cowboys knew of the patches and had his son who played for Texas try the patches. They had David Schmidt come and patch the entire team. The final score was 70 to 3. Texas Tech won and Nebraska saw the worse lose in over 100 years. The patches not only give more energy, strength and stamina but a great mental clarity which is beneficial for team sports as well as individual sports for consentration and keeping on the same page as a team. You are just ON IT as an athlete. I have a friend of mine that need 8 disc replaced in his back. When he started using the Energy patches from Lifewave, he got off all medication and has a quality of life he had not seen fo 3 years prior to that because of decrease in health. Tell him they do not work. A friend with gout uses them and gets 100% relief uses Lifewave patches. Tell him it doesn't work. I have a solid energy all day and am more productive with a better mental clarity everyday. Tell me it does not work. Everytime I have a pain and I use my Lifewave patches and it gives me 100% relief. Tell me it doesn't work. I have a 13 year old that trains with the Lifewave patches as will as plays football and runs track and is benching over 200 lbs. and leg presses 715 lbs 11 times. As a running back, he is plowing over players, is extremely hard to take down, is as fresh from the beginning of his game to the end, and runs faster and doesn't get lactic acid. Tell him it doesn't work I can go on and on...... Running out of characters so there will be a part 2 on this....
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 11:37 AM Here is part 2.... Great question about all the players not wanting to be unbeatable when they could if they all wear the patches. I talked to one of the Denver Bronco coaches and I couldn't even get him to hold the patches because he was afraid of having a drug test and getting in trouble because fear of having something show up. I tried with everything I had to get him to understand NON-transdermal and NOTHING entering the body. He wants to look into it because he's intrigued but I can't blame him. We will be talking. David Schmidt is a scientist, not a doctor so where you are getting that, Mr. you didn't say your name, I don't know. Again, you all can go to my website and order a free trial less $4.95 shipping. http://www.lifewave.com/drtoddanddina/samplevideo.asp If you want to learn more, let me know and I will be glad to answer any questions. http://www.lifewave.com/drtoddanddina will get you to a home page and you can watch different videos about energy patches as well as the skin patch. Instead of bashing something that you have not tried, Mr. Joel, how about you trying them and then we'll talk. Have to ever had a kenesiology test with the patches to show how you will have an affect with them without anything entering your body? The patches work through your energy field which is at least 4 inches away from you. That's why I can put the patches on top of your shoes and do the test and you, like everyone, else will have a affect. Because they DO indeed work. Any other questions?
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 11:45 AM Cranky Media Guy.....THAT explains a lot.... Anyway, that's the problem with most people today. Money is all you all think about. I want to show people something that will help them in everyday life. Health is the biggest weath. Without that, nothing else matters. My husband is a Naturopathic Doctor and stands by the Lifewave patches 100% and uses them with his clients.
Yupiter from Jewpiter	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:16 PM Dina, I got question for you. Do you enjoy being verbally abused ? Spiritual leader of this amazing forum is calling you a " scam artist ". To Him any person connected with LifeWave is a Criminal, He would kill David Schmidt if he could. Did I mention, he would torture Him first. On this forum David Schmidt is impersonation of Satan, and you and me are His worshippers. LifeWave is Hell. EDHUK is God's Angel. You can run, but you can't hide.
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:29 PM Yupiter from Jewpiter, "Spiritual Leader", Who and what would THAT be? If speaking like you did is a "spiritual" thing than I don't want any part of that kind of NEGATIVE spirit. You are the evil speaker, correct me if I'm wrong. Again, what does any of you know about David and Lifewave? NOTHING. You speak of hate and evil and that's what's wrong with your language.
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:33 PM Yupiter from Jewpiter , If I didn't know better, maybe I should go to the authorities for your comments of threatening nature about David Schmidt.
Yupiter from Jewpiter	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:36 PM I am with LifeWave since November 2005, Spiritual Leader of this forum is EDHUK. I am the only one here defending you, and you calling me evil ? Thanks
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:38 PM Yupiter from Jewpiter , to put "God" and torture and kill someone all in the same sentence, you need a faith check up.
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:44 PM sorry, it didn't sound to me like a defense of action to me. I don't understand the EDHUK crap, and I use that loosley. Anyone who speaks like that is not a peaceful person in any way with a Godly faith.
Yupiter from Jewpiter	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 01:45 PM Dina, you need broken english check up, because you did not understand none of my message.
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:00 PM Yupiter from Jewpiter You started off with "spiritual leader of this amazing forum" that sounds as if you back a person like that since he's the "leader" and you are a member????? I got mistakenly, obviously onto this site to defend an amazing product to uneducated individuals and try to educate them.
Joel Member	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:11 PM Dina, The links and directions for retrieving David Schmidt's provisional patent application no. 60/413,617 in which he twice falsely claimed to be "Dr. David Schmidt" was posted here on March 16, 2:50 p.m., at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2526/item.name/item.name/P2280/. If you'd like I can email you a copy of that document. If you read that document carefully you'll see that David Schmidt simply pulled out of his arse his kooky ideas about how the patches supposedly work. This idea about "The patches work like a cell phone or a radio. The patches 'dial up' sending a frequency because they act as antennas to tell the specific cells what they want to communicate." is pure garbage. I am an electrical engineer with a significant background in communications. I work with new communications technologies almost every day. Unfortunately, you have been had.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:12 PM Dina said: "Cranky Media Guy.....THAT explains a lot.... Anyway, that's the problem with most people today. Money is all you all think about." So, you're GIVING away the patches? You're NOT selling them at a profit? It's really simple, Dina. The Million Dollar Challenge exists to provide an incentive to people who assert the existance of things which violate the known laws of physics to submit them to scientific testing. If you sincerely believe that LifeWave works (as you appear to), I can't imagine why you wouldn't WANT to take a day out of your no-doubt busy schedule and win ONE MILLION DOLLARS for merely demonstrating that which you claim is true. You could do whatever you wanted to with the money, remember, including buying patches to give to poor people. What possible reason could you have for not taking this money? "My husband is a Naturopathic Doctor and stands by the Lifewave patches 100% and uses them with his clients." Meaningless, unfortunately. Let's test them scientifically and get some REAL data.
Yupiter from Jewpiter	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:14 PM You are new here. This forum exist, because LifeWave exists. There are trenches here and guns, there is no " educating others ". We know patches work, they are denying technology. Your enthusiasm and kind words are not going to change their minds. " They " - people that are against LifeWave " Spiritual Leader " - poster under name EDHUK
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:16 PM Dina, Yupiter's first language isn't English. He may be strange, he may be misled, but he isn't stupid, and as far as I can tell, he isn't dangerous. He's just very metaphoric... The rest of us are plenty educated, so if you got here mistakenly, wouldn't the clever thing to do be to leave again?
hcmomof4 in So. Cal. Member	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:22 PM "'They ' - people that are against LifeWave 'Spiritual Leader' - poster under name EDHUK" Peter, I'm not "against" LifeWave. I'm against dishonest advertising. And I don't know EDHUK at all, except for his posts here. He's not any kind of leader for me, I feel this way about LifeWave all on my own.
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:25 PM Joel, Have you tried the patches?
Dina	Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 \| 02:34 PM Cranky Guy, I will be more than happy to give you a trial. Either you can go on the website and order a free trial minus the shipping of $4.95 http://www.lifewave.com/drtoddanddina/samplevideo.asp or I can send you the same and probably charge the same for shipping, I'd have to see how much it is. Hopefully, you don'r expect for people to pay for your shipping???
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